Re: [slim] Re: OT: Power line network adaptors (was: Okay, maybeit's time to call it a day...)

2005-09-25 Thread Pat Farrell
On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 09:19 -0700, MrC wrote:
 PAUL WILLIAMSON Wrote: 
  As for power supply standards, try figuring out why hospitals 
  (and a select few other businesses) get 207V.  I have 
  absolutely no idea why, but they do.
 
 Most larger businesses run higher 240 voltages, because they use
 3-phase power.  3-phase is far more efficient for large amperage
 circuts than the standard 2-phase we all normally use.  Also, 3-phase
 is a no-brainer for generator motors, due to the 3 poles on such
 motors.

I'm no longer working with electrical engineers all the time, but
I think MrC has the concept right, but the numbers wrong. Or I could 
be wrong.

I think 240v is standard one phase, two leg power, which most of the US
has in their house. Common 120v is one leg, to ground. Dryers
and air conditioners use both legs and see 240v.

208v is three phase. And it is way more efficient for motors, etc.
Some industrial/commercial lighting is 177v because that is
what you get when you tie two of the three phase legs
together.

Hospitals also use lots of 120v circuits with special and
expensive outlets. The key is that they are designed to 
avoid sparks, which is important since oxygen is everywhere
in most hospitals and other explosive gasses (used for
anesthesia, etc.) are also common.

Audiophiles buy the hospital grade outlets to improve the
sound of their systems. Some audiophile vendors take
normal $30 hospital outlets and put them in nice boxes
and sell them for $100. Nice mark up.


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RE: [slim] Re: OT: Power line network adaptors (was: Okay, maybeit's time to call it a day...)

2005-09-23 Thread Dan Goodinson
I did a bit of googling, and found a range of products...  Main concern at the 
moment is that the maximum transfer rate is around 14mbps so average transfer 
speed are probably more like 8-10mbps.  In fact, that's slower than my wireless 
right now.

Although it would seem that 85mbps adaptors are on their way, and should be 
available in the UK in a few weeks.

Max transfer rates of 85mbps is probably going to translate to about 50mbps 
average.  That's a bit more like it, and it faster than my wireless right now.  
I reckon I'll hold out for that.

My wireless is supposed to be up to 125mbps; Yeah, right.  Sigh.

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Philip Downer wrote:
 On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 03:42 -0700, Fifer wrote:
 
I haven't used them but 'this'
(http://www.devolo.co.uk/uk_EN/button/dlanfaq.html) might help answer 
some of your questions.
 
 
 I can highly recommend the Devolo homeplug products they are very 
 good, and they have now released setup tools for Linux and OS X which 
 work very well.

I've just ordered an Acer Homeplug Ethernet Kit from Amazon - two 
adaptors for £42 delivered!

If they don't work, they're going back, but you can't complain at the price!

R.
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is he still wrong?

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Re: [slim] Re: OT: Power line network adaptors (was: Okay, maybeit's time to call it a day...)

2005-09-23 Thread Robin Bowes

Dan Goodinson wrote:


Although it would seem that 85mbps adaptors are on their way, and
should be available in the UK in a few weeks.


Which manufacturers are producing these? Do you have any links?

R.
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RE: [slim] Re: OT: Power line network adaptors (was: Okay, maybeit's time to call it a day...)

2005-09-23 Thread Dan Goodinson
Indeed ;)

I hate to say it (as you probably don't want to hear it ;) but my SB1 is
working fine via wireless...  I was only really thinking about the
adaptors for regular network use i.e. not related to SB (hence
off-topic).

In fact, I just chatted to a guy at Solwise (see previous post, with
links for 85mbps power-line devices) and he reckons that his bench test
showed true transfer speeds (based on transferring a large data file)
of:

approx 7mbps for a 14mbps-rated device;
approx 40mbps for a 54G-rated setup (with units only a few feet apart
and therefore pretty much 100% signal strength); and, I think
approx 25mbps for an 85mbps-rated device.

I wonder if I heard him right, as 25mbps sounds a bit low.  He mentioned
some specs on the Solwise site, so I'm looking for this data before I
commit to buying...  Even 25mbps would be pretty good but still not much
different to my current wifi setup.  The only benefit would be that
there would be no interference caused by cordless phones or microwaves.
I need to do a bit more research into the noise on a standard electrical
supply line though, as it seems that these things are still susceptible
to a noisy line...
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