Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2022-01-24 Thread kidstypike

benslim wrote: 
> 
> 
> I started hunting around for an alternative, but as there is none, I
> considered finally building a Raspberry Pi + Hifiberry DAC+ RCA media
> streamer to replace it - I'll get around to building this eventually.
> Due to the chip shortage, you need to fork out $100 just for a used
> Raspberry Pi on eBay, because they're out of stock for months.

I don't know if you're still interested, but I have a Pi3B + HiFiBerry
DAC (RCA out) + Black metal case + Raspberry Pi 5v/2.5amp PSU + SD card
with piCorePlayer installed, doing nothing. Just connect ethernet cable
and power up, it appears as a player in LMS. Great sound. Reason for
sale - SWMBO says I need to de-clutter. :(

Looks like picture below, but for a Raspberry Pi 3.

£50.00 plus postage (UK only) PM me if interested.

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playlists & LMS cache on Sata SSD (ntfs)
*Study -* Pi4/Pi screen/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DAC HAT > Edifier
*Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.1.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > Topping E30 > AVI DM5
*Dining Room* - Echo Show 8
*Garage* - Rpi4/pCP/AP mode > Touch > Edifier

*Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi, 1xDAC32, 1xCORE32

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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2022-01-24 Thread benslim


Adding my appreciation for this forum and the community for steering me
in the right direction (also big thanks to Logitech for keeping the
Squeezebox alive). Yesterday, my trusty Squeezebox SB3 was dark. I'd
seen this problem before, and usually I just unplug and plug it back in,
but this time it stayed black. The Toslink in the back did light up red
though. I checked the power supply with a multimeter, and it had power,
so I RULED THAT OUT. 

I started hunting around for an alternative, but as there is none, I
considered finally building a Raspberry Pi + Hifiberry DAC+ RCA media
streamer to replace it - I'll get around to building this eventually.
Due to the chip shortage, you need to fork out $100 just for a used
Raspberry Pi on eBay, because they're out of stock for months. 

So today, I thought I'd see if there's some miracle boot sequence I can
use to revive my old friend, and I tried Add (+) and plugging in, then
tried 1 and plug in. Then I read this thread, and at first was a little
confused at the mention of "power supply" - wondering how there can be a
power supply in the unit as well as a power adapter external - then
realized y'all were talking about the 5VDC external power adapter
failing (to me I had ruled it out, so my thoughts were internal). So I
dug through my wall warts and found a perfect fit at 5VDC and 2A, and it
came back to life.

I also read about the capacitors for the audio channels - maybe someday
I'll replace those - for now I use the Toslink.

The offender: GROUP WEST Model AUT 05 1600; 5VDC 1600mA center positive
power adapter. 

Symptoms: Powers down to black screen (blank screen) overnight. The
normal, warm unit is cold. Unplugging/plugging doesn't reset it, but the
red Toslink light still comes on. 

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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2020-11-02 Thread heyho


SB's just go on and on! Mine finally gave up the ghost the other day
after around 12 years of solid performance (well light seen in optical
port but dead display). So I tried the + and 1 buttons tip and the
display came back. Not sure I am 100% out of the woods yet as when I had
switched it off for a while the back on it didnt come back (but did with
the + button).

But many belated thanks to all on here who have come up with
suggestions.



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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2020-01-08 Thread satkinsn


This (bad wall warts) must be a fairly common problem. My long-running
SB Classic refused to come back to life this week after I made some
changes to my home network. I brought it into my office, plugged it into
a known good power supply and it worked. 

I would never get rid of a Classic without at least checking to see if
the PS was the issue.

s.



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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2019-12-30 Thread nickparsons


rickwookie wrote: 
> 
> 

Bit of a long shot given how old this post is, but I was wondering if
this worked.  Just went to fire up an old Squeezebox after about 9 years
and it wont power up.  SOme of the caps get pretty warm



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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2016-10-08 Thread rickwookie

sander wrote: 
> I have 2 SB3s which stopped being reliable and this thread caused me to
> try them again using them with a power supply I know is good, but their
> problems were deeper. 
> 
> One freezes, then reboots about once an hour when playing, the other
> just dies after a little playing becoming completely dead, to the point
> you need to unplug it for a little while before it will boot again.
> 
> When I first put them away I'd found (and luckily printed) a logitech
> forum post which only seems to exist currently in a google cache of a
> static ip at the moment.
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?strip=1=cache:http%3A%2F%2F208.74.204.120%2Ft5%2FSqueezebox-and-Smart-Radio%2FSqueezebox-Classic-frequent-crash-and-restart%2Ftd-p%2F850154%2Fpage%2F5
> 
> The thread mentions changing two of the caps:
> "Replacing C16 and C20 solved the issue in my case." 
> 
> or more elaborately:
> "I ordered a bunch of WX and WT series surface mount capacitors
> (Nichicon brand) from Digikey and installed them this weekend. Took a
> couple hours and i don't suggest the faint of heart to attempt the
> repair. One must be careful not to lift the solder pads with too much
> heat! I replaced all of the capacitors that read questionable on my ESR
> meter (about 10 of them), and the unit works flasslessy again! Been
> playing for 72 hours straight without no reboot or hiccup. In the past
> the unit would reboot within 2 mins.
> In summary:
> The issue was not the WiFi module, it was the surface mount capacitors
> drying up over the years, causing points of high resistance in the
> circuitry."
> 
> I'm not quite to that point, or have technical expertise to achieve it,
> so I'm stick with my existing plan of picking up old SB3's on the cheap
> (getting a backup SB3 on Wednesday for $25) and maybe making the jump to
> pico players once all my ip3k players are all dead.

Thanks so much for posting that cached link. I knew I'd seen something
about the capacitors before. First Logitech kill the Slim product line,
then they erase history with their "forum cleanup"! :mad:

Anyway, I've invested in an ESR meter, identified about 10 capacitors
that I'm not happy with (although looking at the datasheets just now
while searching for replacements, perhaps 8 of those are reading as
expected, let's wait and see what values I get from the new ones) but
specifically C16 and C20 both give totally bad readings (both read "open
circuit" on the meter) and they are also the only two that have
noticeable brown discolouration around the base. I'm therefore quite
optimistic that this fix may work! They are both 10 F 16 V 4 mm
diameter caps - about 15 pence each.

I'll report back when they turn up and I've fitted them.



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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2016-09-29 Thread boolittlek

fabads wrote: 
> I know this thread is old ... But your messages & support saved my SB
> from trash!
> I encountered the same issue: no display but the red light of the
> optical output still working ...
> I had an old PSU delivering 5V / 2A. I only had to change the connector
> and my SB is now working fine.
> 
> So ... THANKS TO ALL OF YOU for your help !

Same here.  I walked into my office a few days ago to a blank display on
my SB Classic.  I remembered seeing this thread a few days earlier, and
after reading the thread and checking my optical outlet for the red
light, I ordered a replacement power supply.  It's working again--thanks
all!



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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2016-09-05 Thread sander

I have 2 SB3s which stopped being reliable and this thread caused me to
try them again using them with a power supply I know is good, but their
problems were deeper. 

One freezes, then reboots about once an hour when playing, the other
just dies after a little playing becoming completely dead, to the point
you need to unplug it for a little while before it will boot again.

When I first put them away I'd found (and luckily printed) a logitech
forum post which only seems to exist currently in a google cache of a
static ip at the moment.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?strip=1=cache:http%3A%2F%2F208.74.204.120%2Ft5%2FSqueezebox-and-Smart-Radio%2FSqueezebox-Classic-frequent-crash-and-restart%2Ftd-p%2F850154%2Fpage%2F5

The thread mentions changing two of the caps:
"Replacing C16 and C20 solved the issue in my case." 

or more elaborately:
"I ordered a bunch of WX and WT series surface mount capacitors
(Nichicon brand) from Digikey and installed them this weekend. Took a
couple hours and i don't suggest the faint of heart to attempt the
repair. One must be careful not to lift the solder pads with too much
heat! I replaced all of the capacitors that read questionable on my ESR
meter (about 10 of them), and the unit works flasslessy again! Been
playing for 72 hours straight without no reboot or hiccup. In the past
the unit would reboot within 2 mins.
In summary:
The issue was not the WiFi module, it was the surface mount capacitors
drying up over the years, causing points of high resistance in the
circuitry."

I'm not quite to that point, or have technical expertise to achieve it,
so I'm stick with my existing plan of picking up old SB3's on the cheap
(getting a backup SB3 on Wednesday for $25) and maybe making the jump to
pico players once all my ip3k players are all dead.



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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2016-08-30 Thread elstensoftware

In the end I just purchased an adapter that was advertised as being for
SB3... it worked.



'bliss' (https://www.blisshq.com) - fully automated music library
management. 'Read the music library management blog'
(https://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/) including 'how
to use bliss to manage Squeezebox album art'
(https://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2010/09/14/album-art-squeezebox/)

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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2016-08-17 Thread elstensoftware

Sorry to up this again...

I tried purchasing a new 5V/2A supply but the SB-end plug is too small,
it won't plug into the SB. I noticed this with another adapter with the
wrong power rating that I just tried plugging in (and didn't turn on).

Is there a standard size for the SB end I need to look for?



'bliss' (http://www.blisshq.com) - fully automated music library
management. 'Read the music library management blog'
(http://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/) including 'how
to use bliss to manage Squeezebox album art'
(http://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2010/09/14/album-art-squeezebox/)

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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2015-12-31 Thread fabads

I know this thread is old ... But your messages & support saved my SB
from trash!
I encountered the same issue: no display but the red light of the
optical output still working ...
I had an old PSU delivering 5V / 2A. I only had to change the connector
and my SB is now working fine.

So ... THANKS TO ALL OF YOU for your help !



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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-17 Thread Millwood

My 2.5 year old SB3 is also dead!  What's going on?

Details.

No display.  Still talking to the slimserver till I tried to reset is. 
But when played from slimserver, no audio.

Its not power - I have two and the other works with either supply, the
failed fails with either supply.

Sigh - 2.5 years is too short for a $300 device!


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-15 Thread Wirrunna

Aztek, I just bought a Jaycar MP-3480 5VDC 3A for $A21.95 and plugged it
in using the black plug, centre positive, works fine.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-14 Thread Aztek

Hi guys - great news! The power supply I bought at Dick Smith's fired my
SB3 up straight away. Thanks very much for your help and for pointing me
in the right direction.  

Just a final question.  The power supply from Dick Smith is 5v 1 Amp. 
Jaycar has a 5v one that is 2 or 2.5 Amps.  Would I be better to get
this or am I ok running with the one I have?

Once again - thanks a lot


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-14 Thread bigjules

Its possible I had a PSU fail after 1 year..  same symptoms as above.. 
PSU seemed to output 5v under no load.. 

Because it was under warranty Logitech replaced the whole SB3.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-14 Thread Wirrunna

Aztek, That's good that you are going again.
As far as 1 amp being enough, my feeling is that that will be a bit
light and will probably fail sooner rather than later. Over in the
audiophools forum if you do a search for power supply and have a
brief look at some of the threads they are all going for at least 2
amps at 5 volts.
gusi and bigjules, my PSU read 5.01 volts no load, but when plugged in
to my SB3 was 3.8 (or what I wrote in the earlier post). The power down
the NSW South Coast goes up and down like a yo-yo, anything between 220
and 260v with the occasional minute or two blackout. My pc's and Sony
TV are on UPS power, but the modified sine wave UPS output is too crook
to run an audio amp, so that and the SB3 are on mains. I bought the
Jaycar version of a Kill-a-watt to measure just what various appliances
use and one of its functions is voltage.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-14 Thread Aztek

Thanks Wirrunna.  I've contacted Jaycar as you suggested and will pick
up a 5v regulated power supply @ 2.5 Amps.  Interestingly enough - when
doing a bit of a search last night to find out about the amps - I came
across a number of threads that included failed power supplies at
around the 2 year mark and also mostly in Australia.  I think you are
correct when you suspect that there is an issue with the 230v power
supply as the number of failure rates around the 2 year mark in 230v
countries to just too coincidental to ignore.

However, for me - I'm just happy to have my music back.

Thanks for your help.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-13 Thread Aztek

Thanks guys!  I'll give it a go and hopefully be back in business by
next weekend.

Cheers,
Mike


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-13 Thread Wirrunna

gusi, how old was your PSU? Going by your forum join date and assuming
it died recently, it is the same age as Aztek's and mine - about 2 1/2
years. Maybe there is a problem with these devices on 240 volts after 2
1/2 years continuous operation? 
Anyone else had a PSU failure ?


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-13 Thread matthijskoopmans

Dick smith should have one in NZ.. I successfully tried this one:
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/4879db0e02ef9d96273fc0a87f9c0747/Product/View/M9926

and here it is in NZ:
http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/4879db6d01308690273fc0a87f3b0719/Product/View/M9926

You can start the SB3 with 5V, make sure you set the polarity right.

Cheers


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-13 Thread Aztek

Thanks for the link - I picked one up just now and will try tonite. 
Will it matter that it is only 1 Amp?


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-13 Thread gusi

Wirrunna, Mine also died after about 2 years. It only failed under load.
So if I put a voltmeter on it it showed up ok.

IIRC the grid in Perth is around 245V perhaps that is at the upper edge
of its operating range. We still have overhead power so there are plenty
of problems with glitches, lightning and the like.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread avta

Try it one more time the way you described but hold down the Add button
on the remote.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread Phil Leigh

unplug the power supply, hold down + on the remote, keep holding it
down and pointing at the SB and reconnect the power supply. This forces
a factory reset...


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V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1
system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend
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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread Aztek

Thanks Phil and Avta - tried both suggestions but to no avail - still
not booting up.  My SB3 is always plugged in and so is usually slightly
warm to touch.  It is currently cold suggesting that it is not getting
power to the internal power supply perhaps. Guess I am stuck with a
dead unit as it is 2.5 years old and outside its warranty - although
for the cost it should last longer than that. Worst of all - this is my
only source of music now and so it is going to be a quiet house!!!

Do you think it is worth taking it along to an electronics shop for
them to look at?  If so, what would be the best type of serviceman to
work on this - computer tech or tv/audio tech?

Many thanks,
Mike


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread Wirrunna

Aztek,
The exact same thing happened to my SB3 a week ago. Cold, no display
but red LED on in the little square optical link on the back.
So, after trying all the same things that people suggested for you I
reluctantly unscrewed the back and measured the volts with my trusty
meter - only 3.87, should be 5.00 indicating that the little switch
mode PSU had semi failed.
I plugged in a PSU from my second SB3 and all worked again.
I'm now down to one SB3 until I build a new 5 volt power supply as
buying a replacement unit in Australia is impossible. 
My advice then is to try and borrow a PSU from another SB3 to see if
your SB3 is still OK - if you cannot borrow a PSU, then take it to your
local Electronics shop and ask them to test the PSU - it should be able
to supply 5 volts at 2 amps, they should also be able to rig up a 5
volt supply to test the SB3.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread Aztek

Thanks Wirruna - sounds like I have the same or a similar problem -
bugger! Unfortunately, I don't have the tools or skills to test as you
did so will take a copy of what you have written and take it to a
technician.  Trouble is - in Wellington New Zealand - there aren't
likely to be any quick fixes...

Many thanks indeed for your help.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread Wirrunna

Aztek,
My PSU is marked 
GROUP WEST 
Model: AUT-05-1600
Input : 100v-240v 50-60Hz/0.3A
Output: 5v - 1600ma

It is about 2 1/2 years old.


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread Aztek

Thanks - mine is exactly the same. So if I understand you correctly - it
is the external power supply that is not delivering the required 5v to
SB3 therefore resulting in it to be unable to boot up.  I guess the
fact that there is a red light behind the optical input suggest that at
least some power is getting there.  Is it possible that the problem is
internal or do you think it in your case it is the external power
supply that is the problem?


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread Wirrunna

In my case it was the external supply not giving enough volts or amps.

See my earlier post for a replacement - I added the info in an edit
while you were posting.
Take your PSU to Jaycar and get the replacement. Ask them to set up the
plug correctly, centre positive. Should cost you about $25NZ and have
you going by lunch time !


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Re: [slim] SB3 appears dead

2008-07-12 Thread gusi

Aztec, I also had a supply die on me in Australia. Take the old one to
Jaycar, Tandy, Dick Smith, Radioshack or a similar store and they'll
find a generic replacement supply for you.


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