Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
Thecus N5200PRO - energy efficient (well if a five drive solution can be said to be) - data secured by raid5 or even raid6 - running SC7 thanks to the GREAT Omeag god of Thecus N5200 - small - will hopefully soon be able to rip cds all on its own (working on a plugin for that) Well, I am totally satisfied and do not have any desktop computer anymore. Cheers Jeronimo -- jaysung jaysung's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
servies;283142 Wrote: So can you tell me where in your situation on what computer those network shares are. Are you aware of the fact that those 'computers' have to be always on... The shares would be on NAS appliance, probably a Time Capsule since I'm a Mac user. Although I'm aware that some NAS appliances can accommodate the SqueezeCentre server, I'd really prefer to get a Time Capsule because of its better MacOS integration. In these days of capable and affordable appliances like the Time Capsule, I would really prefer to do without the headache of setting up a dedicated server PC (been there, done that, I'm ready for something plug and play now). Online services such as Rhapsody aren't really an option for me because they're lossy, and I don't want to pay subscription fees. There's 1 big difference between the Sonos solution and the slimdevices solution. Slimdevices: musicserver - (wireless) router - squeezebox/transporter Sonos: musicserver - (wireless) router - sonos zonebridge - sonos zoneplayers Not to get too sidetracked into a Sonos discussion, but it seemed from what I read that just a Zoneplayer80 + controller would be sufficient. Either way, its definitely more expensive than the Squeezebox, which other than the server requirement, seems perfect for my needs. -Tim -- timmerweb timmerweb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16173 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
timmerweb;283583 Wrote: Online services such as Rhapsody aren't really an option for me because they're lossy, and I don't want to pay subscription fees. 1. With the combination of Rhapsody.com ($99/year) and Pandora ($36/year), I have on-demand access to approximately 3 million songs. 2. For an average home PC or server, you probably spend between $10-20/month in electricity keeping it running 24 hours (although that may just be due to SF/Bay Area electricity rates being exorbitant). 3. Using my SqueezeBox connected to a Cal Audio Labs tube DAC - Parasound preamp - BK amp - Thiel speakers I can maybe almost barely hear the difference between uncompressed CD audio and streamed audio in many cases. In general, I am sitting in another room while the music is playing, making it all but impossible for me to hear any difference in audio quality. -- jbuberel jbuberel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16281 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
What about just running it on a ReadyNAS - I haven't tried, but I believe the ReadyNAS also supports some fairly good power saving facilities. -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
Since the NAS is a PC with a dedicated purpose you just defeated your requirement :) Seriously though with more laptops around the place people are considering how they backup and/access all the shared content and are turning to 'servers' in some shape or other. Many NAS are becoming that server able not only to share disks but server music, video, pictures, act as backup devices, print servers and many other functions. I suspect that over the next few years more and more things will arrive that expect to see an always available source. It is something that Microsoft with the XBox360 and Sony with PS3 are driving towards and of course there is the Windows Home Server and I'm sure Linux won't be too far away as well. There are NAS devices out there now that are capable or even already have SqueezeCentre installed. As an example take a look through the forums for RipStation which looks like being an extremely consumer friendly home media server. OK it's a ripper that also functions as a NAS but there are others mentioned from time to time. If you feel able for a little DIY there are also some very nice picoATX motherboards around, attach a 1TB disc, load the supplied Linux and you have the makings of a home server where the disc is bigger than the PC. -- Zaragon Zaragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14577 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
Tim: The SqueezeBox does not in any way require you to operate a server on your home network. It can and will function perfectly without one, as it does for me. My configuratino: 1. Squeezebox 2. WiFi network and Internet access 3. Subscriptions to Rhapsody and Pandora on-line music services The Squeezebox is used exclusively to play music back from my Rhapsody (3 million songs available) and Pandora (hundreds of thousands songs available). Although I do have a desktop PC at home on which I could run the SqueezeCenter software, I have no need to do so. I do not 'own' any of my music collection, I only rent it via on-line services such as Rhapsody.com and Pandora. Works beautifully in this configuration. -- jbuberel jbuberel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16281 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
jbuberel;283036 Wrote: I do not 'own' any of my music collection, I only rent it via on-line services such as Rhapsody.com and Pandora. Works beautifully in this configuration. in the above senario you must still have a Squeezenetwork account (free)to connect to Rhapsody or Pandora. But just one other note on these services, they seem to be going away for SB users out side of the U.S. But in the event you do own your music you could use the MP3Locker service where you upload all you music the their server (secure from others using it) and then just connect to that service via the SqueezeNetwork. Schatzy -- schatzy Kitchen - SB3 - Russound R235LS Amp - Russound SP-M8IM speakers in ceiling Main Stereo - SB3 - Nikko Beta 30 Preamp - Nikko Alpha 230 Amplifier - Genesis VI Speakers schatzy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
While true that you do need a Squeezenetwork.com account to make those services work, that was the single most important feature that led me to purchase my Squeezebox: The ability to selectively access and listen to any of the millions of tracks offered by services such as Rhapsody and Pandora without even having to turn on my computer. That very capability, above all else, is what convinced me. Although there have been a few (minor) technical glitches, the product does deliver on that promise. -- jbuberel jbuberel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16281 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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schatzy;283102 Wrote: But just one other note on these services, they seem to be going away for SB users out side of the U.S. Schatzy Squeezenetwork will soon support lastfm radio stations, which as far as I know are unrestricted and available to non-US users as well. Napster integration is also in the works, and should also be available to users out of the US, at least in some European countries. I hope SN gets more such integrated services and soon. It can be the best trigger in driving higher SlimDevices hardware sales, much more than whatever improvements can be made to the local PC-based server. -- y360 y360's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
I also believe that Mr Sean Adams is aware of the great benefit of SN See his quote from about one year ago: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=188907postcount=35 Besides not wanting to leave a computer on, the mass market user is not too keen on installing software, ripping CDs, and taking the time to organize a large collection but with Squeezenetwork you don't need to do any of that. Personally I almost never access my own music collection now that Rhapsody is available. The home server just becomes a non issue. -- y360 y360's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
timmerweb;283016 Wrote: I'm really interested in getting a SqueezeBox, but its requirement for a server is a deal-breaker for me, since I have no suitable desktop computer to run the server on, nor do I wish to purchase a computer for the sole purpose of running SqueezeCenter. I notice that Sonos is able to access network shares directly from any NAS device with no additional servers needing to be run, which is the functionality I'm looking for. Too bad about the exorbitant price of it though. :( So can you tell me where in your situation on what computer those network shares are. Are you aware of the fact that those 'computers' have to be always on... There's 1 big difference between the Sonos solution and the slimdevices solution. Slimdevices: musicserver - (wireless) router - squeezebox/transporter Sonos: musicserver - (wireless) router - sonos zonebridge - sonos zoneplayers Notice the difference in the router part. It used to be worse, the zonebridge is a new product of Sonos. In the earlier days you needed a zoneplayer to do the bridging... In my situation I wanted a wireless solution, so Sonos never was an option, I found it to be rediculous to need 2 zoneplayers if I wanted wireless music in my livingroom, which isn't the place where my musicserver is... So the minimum requirements are Slimdevices: musicserver, router, squeezebox/transporter Sonos: musicserver, router, sonos zonebridge, sonos zoneplayer My guess from the datasheets is that in every aspect the slimdevices solution is cheaper, cheaper in purchase (ignoring the transporter), cheaper in powerconsumption. As earlier mentioned, a NAS is nothing more than a computer only serving files. Just setup a cheap desktop computer to do the same and you have enough computingpower to run slimserver and you're still better of than with the Sonos solution, which isn't a bad system at all, but a completely different solution. -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
Based on the fact that I rent access to my music collection via on-line services, there is/was no need for a local file server: Rhapsody.com/Pandora -- Squeezenetwork.com -- Internet + DSL -- Local WiFi -- SqueezeBox -- Home Audio System -- Speakers -- My ears That configuration gives me access to about 3 million tracks, none of which are stored locally. Although I do have desktop PCs at home that could serve files on the local network, I have chosen to not do so. -- jbuberel jbuberel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16281 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serverless SqueezeBox?
As I'm a part-time audiophile nerd i want access to my 380GB of flac files. So a mini-itx pc suited me, just fine (look in the DIY section). It's quiet and energy efficient, can be booted and shutdown from your remote (or the internet). The idea of an serverless SB or Small SB base station looks attractive. But i have two issues with it. The needs are very personal, there is no one size fits all solution, I suppose this is one rationale behind Logitechs design decisions to let you provide your own infrastructure.You get what you want/need/already have. There a lot of alternatives from home servers to professional file servers 0$ PC found in the dumpster, NAS etc. Quality and functionality ? If you want to have a device that's matches the SB/SBR/SBC/transporter and Squeezecenter, well it's not one of the cheapest NAS'es? The high end NAS that cuts it are surpassingly similar to a small computer ;-) You can sacrifice performance and live with it if YOU decide to do so. But i can't imagine Logitech offer a box thats does that, (imagine the flame war). Here's the catch the small cheap plastic thingy many wants, won't do the job properly. And the market for small home server's are for company's better suited to offer such products. Just my 0.02$ -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45244 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
