Re: [discuss] File Sizes; sWrite
Could you please expand on 'merge print'? It sounds very useful but I'd never heard of it. Is it related to mail merge? On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Bob Estes wrote: This seems to be a problem that is common to many word processors. I have encountered similar problems in both Wordstar and MS Word. (I've only been using OOo for a couple of months.) I no longer generate large files like you describe, instead I make each chapter a separate file. I will even break a large chapter into multiple files. This procedure keeps the files small, and a merge print will add the appropriate page numbering. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] File Sizes; sWrite
On Tuesday 15 January 2008 08:24:28 Twayne wrote: Hi, XP Pro, 512 RAM, 2.7 GHz P4, reasonably sure free of virus/malware. Relatively new to OO.o 2.3.1 as of about a week and a half ago. I'm having quite a few problems with some large files in Writer. I see many references to the issue in old posts but not anything that seems actually relevant. Perhaps some clarification may be possible? Consistant Styles, only about 7 different styles used throughout. -- Is there a max recommended .odt file size that should be opened? Anything beyond 10 Meg seems to become pretty slow to open/save (.doc to .odt or already .odt) -- Anything in the 100 Meg area takes many moons to open, even if it's already a .odt. I've had the occasional Save failure too along the lines of hte next item: -- The 200 Meg and up area often results inLoad failure: file never opens, cpu use drops to near 0%, gray screen. Only have one file so large it makes OOo drop to its kness, and I'm in the process of breaking that up with Word, so things are workable, but ... I thought I'd ask to see if there are known size breakpoints to watch out for in general and whether such things are recognized by the authors. Or, is there a better way to do what I'm tryhing to do? --- In this particular application it's a book of separately written chapters equating to about 400 pages when it's assembled into Master Document in Word. Goal is to OO's Master Document mode to do the same thing as I used Word's MDoc for; TOC, chapter/page numbering, titling, etc.. I am wide open to suggestions if there are better methods to use here. TIA, Twayne Hi Twayne, I'm trying to figure your problem because I rarely have an issue with this . My assumption is that you created the document in MSWord and then opened the resulting doc with Writer. Does your document have a lot of graphics. I'm just asking because 100 megs for a 400 page document seem a bit on the high side. If I'm going to edit a document in Writer that has been created in Word I open it with OOo, copy all the text and then paste specialunformatted text into a new document. This gets rid of all of the garbage that word puts into the background of the document and that includes styles then I reformat using Stylist. If I'm in a hurry I'll sometimes use paste specialformatted text(rtf) Word users tend to format on the fly and that means that each bit of formatting is a separate piece of code which tends to make them a little on the heavy side. Everytime a word document is closed, saved then reopened more garbage is added. Take for instance this document http://www.minedu.govt.nz/web/downloadable/dl8030_v1/cat-newsletter-8.doc The download size on my comp is 4.2 MB After copypaste specialformatted text the file is now 90.6kb. A couple of graphics were dumped and I had to create a landscape style to get some tables to display properly, but nothing major.(try it yourself you'll see what I mean) Now, I add the caveat that I'm using SuSELinux rather than windows but I doubt that there would be a great difference. Document interchange between Word and Writer is a black art at the best of times because MS won't release details of their file formats. It is pretty close to perfect, which says something amazing about OOo Developer's back engineering abilities, but sometimes there is a cost when working at extremes, in this case file size. Normally I work on an ODT file being about 25% of the size of the same file saved as a doc. That's a simple open in OOo and save as *.odt. Get rid of all the garbage however by doing paste special and you can do a lot better and OOo will deal with it very quickly. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] File Sizes; sWrite
Another option is to use a desktop publishing program such as Ventura Publisher or Pagemaker. Both of these programs are professional level commercial programs and quite expensive. Of the two, I prefer Ventura Publisher. There are also some free programs such as Scribus. I have never used Scribus, but I see it recommended all of the time. I have used LaTeX to design 9 text books successfully with Lulu.com as well as 2 picture books with Scribus and they worked great. I even did a reference book just with HTMLdoc. Pagemaker is no longer in development - you now have to go with Adobe In Design or QuarkExpress which are much more complicated. Another route is to try Multi Ad Creator Desktop - I knew my University used it for their daily newspaper. Do NOT use Apple Pages if you want to use Lulu.com because the fonts are not embedded right and it will automatically be rejected. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] File Sizes; sWrite
Hi, XP Pro, 512 RAM, 2.7 GHz P4, reasonably sure free of virus/malware. Relatively new to OO.o 2.3.1 as of about a week and a half ago. I'm having quite a few problems with some large files in Writer. I see many references to the issue in old posts but not anything that seems actually relevant. Perhaps some clarification may be possible? Consistant Styles, only about 7 different styles used throughout. -- Is there a max recommended .odt file size that should be opened? Anything beyond 10 Meg seems to become pretty slow to open/save (.doc to .odt or already .odt) -- Anything in the 100 Meg area takes many moons to open, even if it's already a .odt. I've had the occasional Save failure too along the lines of hte next item: -- The 200 Meg and up area often results inLoad failure: file never opens, cpu use drops to near 0%, gray screen. Only have one file so large it makes OOo drop to its kness, and I'm in the process of breaking that up with Word, so things are workable, but ... I thought I'd ask to see if there are known size breakpoints to watch out for in general and whether such things are recognized by the authors. Or, is there a better way to do what I'm tryhing to do? --- In this particular application it's a book of separately written chapters equating to about 400 pages when it's assembled into Master Document in Word. Goal is to OO's Master Document mode to do the same thing as I used Word's MDoc for; TOC, chapter/page numbering, titling, etc.. I am wide open to suggestions if there are better methods to use here. TIA, Twayne -- a staunch supporter of open source - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] File Sizes; sWrite
Twayne wrote: Hi, XP Pro, 512 RAM, 2.7 GHz P4, reasonably sure free of virus/malware. Relatively new to OO.o 2.3.1 as of about a week and a half ago. I'm having quite a few problems with some large files in Writer. I see many references to the issue in old posts but not anything that seems actually relevant. Perhaps some clarification may be possible? Consistant Styles, only about 7 different styles used throughout. -- Is there a max recommended .odt file size that should be opened? Anything beyond 10 Meg seems to become pretty slow to open/save (.doc to .odt or already .odt) -- Anything in the 100 Meg area takes many moons to open, even if it's already a .odt. I've had the occasional Save failure too along the lines of hte next item: -- The 200 Meg and up area often results inLoad failure: file never opens, cpu use drops to near 0%, gray screen. Only have one file so large it makes OOo drop to its kness, and I'm in the process of breaking that up with Word, so things are workable, but ... I thought I'd ask to see if there are known size breakpoints to watch out for in general and whether such things are recognized by the authors. Or, is there a better way to do what I'm tryhing to do? --- In this particular application it's a book of separately written chapters equating to about 400 pages when it's assembled into Master Document in Word. Goal is to OO's Master Document mode to do the same thing as I used Word's MDoc for; TOC, chapter/page numbering, titling, etc.. I am wide open to suggestions if there are better methods to use here. TIA, Twayne This seems to be a problem that is common to many word processors. I have encountered similar problems in both Wordstar and MS Word. (I've only been using OOo for a couple of months.) I no longer generate large files like you describe, instead I make each chapter a separate file. I will even break a large chapter into multiple files. This procedure keeps the files small, and a merge print will add the appropriate page numbering. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
