[discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
I am the designer of the OpenOfficeMouse and a long-time user of OpenOffice.org, particularly Writer and Impress. It is my belief that application interface efficiency can be pursued in other ways than new variations on hotkeys, pull-down menus, and icon toolbars. We are planning to release the source code for the mouse software we have written and would like to do so as an OpenOffice.org project rather than as an independent OSS project as a means of contributing to the community. This is a request for review of the proposal to establish the setup and customization software for the OpenOfficeMouse as an OpenOffice.org open source development project. The OpenOfficeMouse mouse is designed specifically for use with OpenOffice and incorporates OOo 3.1 usage data for its default button assignments. The software presently allows complete customization of the mouse's 18 buttons, scroll wheel, and analog joystick. Additional functionality includes double-click assignments for all 18 buttons as well as the ability to use the joystick as a keyboard with 4, 8, or 16 assignable key commands. Version 1.0 of the software is already functional for Windows operating systems and the code will be released under the Gnu Lesser General Public License (LGPLv3). The mouse possesses 512k flash memory, supports 64 on-mouse application profiles, and 1024-character macros. The software is written in C++ using Qt library and uses .svg format for all graphics. The most pressing need is for a library for sending and receiving commands according to the HID standard in order to provide full Linux and OS/X support. More information about the OpenOfficeMouse can be found at www.openofficemouse.com. The OpenOfficeMouse will be publicly introduced at OOoCon next month. Thank you, Theo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
[discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Hi Elizabeth, The User Feedback Program has been amazingly useful. It's given us a much better understanding of how people actually use the OOo applications rather than forcing us to theorize about it. For example, in Writer, people are 5.2x more likely to use the toolbar icon to Bold text than they are to use the hotkey. However, they're 3.8x more likely to use the context menu or the hotkey to Cut text than they are to use the toolbar icon. Since hotkeys are faster than toolbars and Bold is used 5.4x more often than Cut, this tells us that it's more important to assign a button in a more prominent position to Bold than we do to Cut. Of course, the users can assign any function to any button they like, but the information is very useful in creating the defaults. In other news, we tested the OOmouse with a Mac for the first time this evening. While we will definitely need a little software to be written in order for OS/X to recognize the other buttons, the good news is that the basic L1 and R1 buttons worked without a hitch. Thanks for the thumbs up, Sophie and Alexandro. FYI: we will have a mouse or two to show in Orvieto. With regards, Theo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
[discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Hello Juergen and everyone, While I don't disagree with most of Juergen's conclusions, I would like to point out that the proposed project is the SOFTWARE we've written for the mouse, not the mouse hardware itself. To the extent that the OpenOfficeMouse concept was a marketing scheme, that has become irrelevant at this point since I have already agreed to the Community's request to change the name of the hardware as well as the color scheme. We will be making a public announcement about this in two weeks or so. We still plan to utilize the mouse as a vehicle for distributing the OOo application suite and we remain enthusiastic supporters of the OpenOffice.org Community. And to be honest, I'm still not sure which misconception amazed me more, the idea that OpenOffice.org was building mouse hardware or the notion that the mouse only worked with OpenOffice.org applications. Anyhow, after reading some of the comments on the proposal, it has become increasingly clear to me that we of the OpenOfficeMouse development team have failed to understand some of the differences between the way the Community projects operate compared to the way other open source projects do. Our reasoning was extremely simple and straightforward. We intend to release the software as open source when it is solid and fully functional, and we know it definitely has utility for other input devices that go well beyond our little mouse. Since the Community has a laudable commitment to addressing accessibility issues and was also contemplating major changes to its user interface at the time we first contacted John, Florian, and Elizabeth, we thought that our code might prove useful for at least one, and possibly both, of the groups working on those things. Essentially, we were thinking, "hey, this stuff works and if you've got a use for it, then please feel free to take it." While we do see how the software could be utilized to help further certain Community goals relating to interfaces, I will not hesitate to admit that we do not have any grand vision for the best way the Community can make that happen. So, in light of my improved understanding of the nature of the various OpenOffice.org projects, I find that I cannot disagree with those who don't see it as meeting the parameters of a proper Incubator Project. So, perhaps the consensus will be that it simply doesn't fit. That's all right, but in any case, I would like the Community to understand that the proposal was more a consequence of the mouse than a marketing scheme for it and that it was mostly driven by our desire to contribute to a project from which we have derived great benefit. Thank you, Theo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM, OOmouse wrote: > I am the designer of the OpenOfficeMouse and a long-time user of > OpenOffice.org, particularly Writer and Impress. It is my belief that > application interface efficiency can be pursued in other ways than new > variations on hotkeys, pull-down menus, and icon toolbars. We are planning > to release the source code for the mouse software we have written and would > like to do so as an OpenOffice.org project rather than as an independent OSS > project as a means of contributing to the community. This is a request for > review of the proposal to establish the setup and customization software for > the OpenOfficeMouse as an OpenOffice.org open source development project. > The OpenOfficeMouse mouse is designed specifically for use with OpenOffice > and incorporates OOo 3.1 usage data for its default button assignments. The > software presently allows complete customization of the mouse's 18 buttons, > scroll wheel, and analog joystick. Additional functionality includes > double-click assignments for all 18 buttons as well as the ability to use > the joystick as a keyboard with 4, 8, or 16 assignable key commands. > Version 1.0 of the software is already functional for Windows operating > systems and the code will be released under the Gnu Lesser General Public > License (LGPLv3). The mouse possesses 512k flash memory, supports 64 > on-mouse application profiles, and 1024-character macros. The software is > written in C++ using Qt library and uses .svg format for all graphics. The > most pressing need is for a library for sending and receiving commands > according to the HID standard in order to provide full Linux and OS/X > support. wow sounds cool. Would love to see this shown in Italy. > > More information about the OpenOfficeMouse can be found at > www.openofficemouse.com. The OpenOfficeMouse will be publicly introduced at > OOoCon next month. > > Thank you, > Theo > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Hi Theo, +1 for your incubator Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Hi Theo, On 10/12/09 21:04, OOmouse wrote: [...] The OpenOfficeMouse mouse is designed specifically for use with OpenOffice and incorporates OOo 3.1 usage data for its default button assignments. Just a note on the usage data in case anyone is wondering which data that is. The usage data Theo is referring to is from the User Feedback Program. See more about this program in today' blog post from Frank Loehmann: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/impress_click_map_what_s The software presently allows complete customization of the mouse's 18 buttons, scroll wheel, and analog joystick. Additional functionality includes double-click assignments for all 18 buttons as well as the ability to use the joystick as a keyboard with 4, 8, or 16 assignable key commands. Version 1.0 of the software is already functional for Windows operating systems and the code will be released under the Gnu Lesser General Public License (LGPLv3). The mouse possesses 512k flash memory, supports 64 on-mouse application profiles, and 1024-character macros. The software is written in C++ using Qt library and uses .svg format for all graphics. The most pressing need is for a library for sending and receiving commands according to the HID standard in order to provide full Linux and OS/X support. More information about the OpenOfficeMouse can be found at www.openofficemouse.com. The OpenOfficeMouse will be publicly introduced at OOoCon next month. Very exciting stuff. +1 for incubator project Thank you, Theo Thank you for this innovative addition to OOo. Best regards, Liz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Hi, for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am not sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very flexible configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the pre-configured profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking information but that's it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with many other applications. For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and wanted. We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator project. In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't see there huge opportunities. It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ... Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no for this new project. Just my 2 cents Juergen OOmouse wrote: I am the designer of the OpenOfficeMouse and a long-time user of OpenOffice.org, particularly Writer and Impress. It is my belief that application interface efficiency can be pursued in other ways than new variations on hotkeys, pull-down menus, and icon toolbars. We are planning to release the source code for the mouse software we have written and would like to do so as an OpenOffice.org project rather than as an independent OSS project as a means of contributing to the community. This is a request for review of the proposal to establish the setup and customization software for the OpenOfficeMouse as an OpenOffice.org open source development project. The OpenOfficeMouse mouse is designed specifically for use with OpenOffice and incorporates OOo 3.1 usage data for its default button assignments. The software presently allows complete customization of the mouse's 18 buttons, scroll wheel, and analog joystick. Additional functionality includes double-click assignments for all 18 buttons as well as the ability to use the joystick as a keyboard with 4, 8, or 16 assignable key commands. Version 1.0 of the software is already functional for Windows operating systems and the code will be released under the Gnu Lesser General Public License (LGPLv3). The mouse possesses 512k flash memory, supports 64 on-mouse application profiles, and 1024-character macros. The software is written in C++ using Qt library and uses .svg format for all graphics. The most pressing need is for a library for sending and receiving commands according to the HID standard in order to provide full Linux and OS/X support. More information about the OpenOfficeMouse can be found at www.openofficemouse.com. The OpenOfficeMouse will be publicly introduced at OOoCon next month. Thank you, Theo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
RE: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Dear Juergen: I just received your message in [discuss] about the open office mouse. As well as that of another person who didn't see it as particularly OpenOfficeMouse germane. I have also seen your first page of the OpenOfficeMouse website. IMHO: The idea of a mouse that does more is good, but what it does and its potential field of applicability are where the controversy surely will arise. I remember myself having uploaded somewhere the idea of a mouse that was hardware versatile, but the objectives for it were quite different. It was not for gamers, nor was it any more dedicated to any operating system that the most basic mouse that could be found. All the variations were purely hardware. The reason for this was that I wanted the speed to be hardware controlled so that it could be controlled, and slowed down during use in a BIOS session or during the initial loading of an operating system. Also this would make it totally independent of both the operating system and all software running on any platform that would work with the most basic, standard mouse around. Such a device also would have significant potential to help handicapped users. Hence it would use standard, basic software that comes with the operating system, and appear identical to that basic mouse to the machine. Thinking further, this idea would not really need to be a mouse itself, but an adapter box that would plug between the actual mouse or trackball and the mouse port, which could be PS-2, USB or RS-232. I am an electronic technician with an overall background of almost 50 years. I have an old trackball here that is a bit like that. In the days of 16 bit windows, I purchased this for $CDN 129.95 plus tax. It is known as the roller mouse and was made in California. However this device only connects RS-232, typical for that time. I am currently using it on an old 16 bit machine I have that I still use occasionally when working with/recuperating data that comes from the DOS era, such as stuff done in Generic CADD or Ashton-Tate's Framework IV. On another occasion, I remember hardware modifying a mouse to make the buttons operate with foot pedals. The prototype worked, but I found the foot pedals did not marry with physical coordination as well as I would have liked. About that critic: I got the impression that the critic would have preferred a project that had no potential for use outside of Open Office. He was being very marketing conscious and proprietary-oriented in the interest of using the idea as an open office "selling" tool. (I say "selling" even though Open Office is free, because his object is to "sell" potential users to commit their time to downloading and learning to use Open Office.) The other problem: 18 buttons on a mouse sound very versatile, but they would cause a huge physical coordination problem for many. Fancy keyboards have a plethora of programmable buttons, and they abound in the marketplace at low prices because of their market penetration. Personally, since I often have to work on other peoples' computers, I focus on making the best use of whatever is there at the time, and making my own templates, etc that I carry with me on the road in an external hard drive that will run either USB or FireWire. (I prefer Firewire when it is available since it demands less of the processor and runs more stably.) When Microsoft in its early days went for a 2 button mouse as opposed to the MAC's 1-button, there were those people then who saw this as a bad idea. The argument was that it was not natural or intuitive to the human body. Personally, I find 2 buttons OK, but what software people try and do with the use of the mouse is often too much. In either case the limitation is neither hardware nor software, but the human body. As an older person (close to 65 years old), I find physical coordination is more of a challenge than it was when I was younger. Also in the majority of cases eyesight, after the age of 40 or so, starts to gradually degrade. These physical limitations also need to be respected. When I buy a cellphone, I look for the (physically) biggest one, and abhor the market placing too much attention on smallness to suit the young people's mad attraction to gadgets for often wrongful reasons (such as responding to peer pressure or "keeping up with the Jones'es", with little responsibility for the value of money.) This is a simple example of the unsociable marketing that so often abounds. It has long been known that there are places in the marketing-related design aspects of a technological produce where an industrial psychologist can play a valuable role in the development team. Best Regards all, Bruce Martin Quebec, Canada -Original Message- From: juergen.schm...@sun.com [mailto:juergen.schm...@sun.com] Sent: November 9, 2009 7:29 AM To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal -
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
market placing too much attention on smallness to suit the young people's mad attraction to gadgets for often wrongful reasons (such as responding to peer pressure or "keeping up with the Jones'es", with little responsibility for the value of money.) This is a simple example of the unsociable marketing that so often abounds. It has long been known that there are places in the marketing-related design aspects of a technological produce where an industrial psychologist can play a valuable role in the development team. Best Regards all, Bruce Martin Quebec, Canada -Original Message- From: juergen.schm...@sun.com [mailto:juergen.schm...@sun.com] Sent: November 9, 2009 7:29 AM To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse Hi, for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am not sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very flexible configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the pre-configured profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking information but that's it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with many other applications. For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and wanted. We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator project. In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't see there huge opportunities. It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ... Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no for this new project. Just my 2 cents Juergen OOmouse wrote: I am the designer of the OpenOfficeMouse and a long-time user of OpenOffice.org, particularly Writer and Impress. It is my belief that application interface efficiency can be pursued in other ways than new variations on hotkeys, pull-down menus, and icon toolbars. We are planning to release the source code for the mouse software we have written and would like to do so as an OpenOffice.org project rather than as an independent OSS project as a means of contributing to the community. This is a request for review of the proposal to establish the setup and customization software for the OpenOfficeMouse as an OpenOffice.org open source development project. The OpenOfficeMouse mouse is designed specifically for use with OpenOffice and incorporates OOo 3.1 usage data for its default button assignments. The software presently allows complete customization of the mouse's 18 buttons, scroll wheel, and analog joystick. Additional functionality includes double-click assignments for all 18 buttons as well as the ability to use the joystick as a keyboard with 4, 8, or 16 assignable key commands. Version 1.0 of the software is already functional for Windows operating systems and the code will be released under the Gnu Lesser General Public License (LGPLv3). The mouse possesses 512k flash memory, supports 64 on-mouse application profiles, and 1024-character macros. The software is written in C++ using Qt library and uses .svg format for all graphics. The most pressing need is for a library for sending and receiving commands according to the HID standard in order to provide full Linux and OS/X support. More information about the OpenOfficeMouse can be found at www.openofficemouse.com. The OpenOfficeMouse will be publicly introduced at OOoCon next month. Thank you, Theo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.698 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: 11/08/09 14:39:00 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
RE: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
ReHi Juergen: It is possible that I mistook somebody's identity. I see that [discuss] had a lot of participants and it is a very plausible mistake. Also, my idea was not intended to be directly related to open office or any particular operating system. It is intended as a generic hardware accessory that would be nice to see, but I do not have the capital to even start to develop it. At most, I might make eventually myself a prototype for my own use, unless somebody uses my idea and commercialises it at an acceptable price and with adequate support. The mouse speed can be a nuisance in Windows, prior to XP, in Linux (several distributions) and also in op sys installations. As I said, this is not something that needs to be a physical part of a mouse or trackball, but in a separate box, as a separate product. Mice and trackballs are too small by nature to suit this degree of versatility. A basic electronic project box, such as made by Hammond or Bud Radio would be more suitable and a far simpler manufacturing approach. And now I am off to chase more nuisance parts from the local parts store. BTW Where is Sun located? (I suppose somewhere in the U.S.?) Best Regards, Bruce M. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Bruce Martin wrote: ReHi Juergen: It is possible that I mistook somebody's identity. I see that [discuss] had a lot of participants and it is a very plausible mistake. Also, my idea was not intended to be directly related to open office or any particular operating system. It is intended as a generic hardware accessory that would be nice to see, but I do not have the capital to even start to develop it. At most, I might make eventually myself a prototype for my own use, unless somebody uses my idea and commercialises it at an acceptable price and with adequate support. The mouse speed can be a nuisance in Windows, prior to XP, in Linux (several distributions) and also in op sys installations. As I said, this is not something that needs to be a physical part of a mouse or trackball, but in a separate box, as a separate product. Mice and trackballs are too small by nature to suit this degree of versatility. A basic electronic project box, such as made by Hammond or Bud Radio would be more suitable and a far simpler manufacturing approach. And now I am off to chase more nuisance parts from the local parts store. BTW Where is Sun located? (I suppose somewhere in the U.S.?) Best Regards, Bruce M. Sun is SI Val, but the part that does OOo is in Germany. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Unless other information makes me change my mind, I support Juergens point of view, Cor Juergen Schmidt wrote (9-11-2009 13:29) for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am not sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very flexible configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the pre-configured profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking information but that's it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with many other applications. For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and wanted. We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator project. In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't see there huge opportunities. It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ... Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no for this new project. Just my 2 cents -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
+1 for incubator project. Nice to see a hardware with OpenOffice.org labelled on it. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > > Unless other information makes me change my mind, I support Juergens point > of view, > > Cor > > Juergen Schmidt wrote (9-11-2009 13:29) >> >> for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any >> real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am not >> sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very flexible >> configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the pre-configured >> profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking information but that's >> it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with many other applications. >> >> For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing >> strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such >> things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and >> wanted. >> >> We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator project. >> In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't see there >> huge opportunities. >> >> It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the >> new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ... >> >> Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no for >> this new project. >> >> Just my 2 cents > > > -- > Cor Nouws > - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact > - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council > Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org > > -- Wunna Ko --- Get Paid To Read Emails. Free To Join Now! http://www.emailcashpro.com/?source=Email&r=onlinestore - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
RE: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
YOU HAVE THE WRONG ADDRESS!! -Original Message- From: Bruce Martin [mailto:brucemarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:10 PM To: discuss@openoffice.org Cc: juergen.schm...@sun.com Subject: RE: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse ReHi Juergen: It is possible that I mistook somebody's identity. I see that [discuss] had a lot of participants and it is a very plausible mistake. Also, my idea was not intended to be directly related to open office or any particular operating system. It is intended as a generic hardware accessory that would be nice to see, but I do not have the capital to even start to develop it. At most, I might make eventually myself a prototype for my own use, unless somebody uses my idea and commercialises it at an acceptable price and with adequate support. The mouse speed can be a nuisance in Windows, prior to XP, in Linux (several distributions) and also in op sys installations. As I said, this is not something that needs to be a physical part of a mouse or trackball, but in a separate box, as a separate product. Mice and trackballs are too small by nature to suit this degree of versatility. A basic electronic project box, such as made by Hammond or Bud Radio would be more suitable and a far simpler manufacturing approach. And now I am off to chase more nuisance parts from the local parts store. BTW Where is Sun located? (I suppose somewhere in the U.S.?) Best Regards, Bruce M. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
RE: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
YOU HAVE THE WRONG ADDRESS!! -Original Message- From: Wunna Ko [mailto:wunnak...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:38 PM To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse +1 for incubator project. Nice to see a hardware with OpenOffice.org labelled on it. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > > Unless other information makes me change my mind, I support Juergens point > of view, > > Cor > > Juergen Schmidt wrote (9-11-2009 13:29) >> >> for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any >> real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am not >> sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very flexible >> configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the pre-configured >> profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking information but that's >> it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with many other applications. >> >> For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing >> strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such >> things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and >> wanted. >> >> We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator project. >> In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't see there >> huge opportunities. >> >> It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the >> new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ... >> >> Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no for >> this new project. >> >> Just my 2 cents > > > -- > Cor Nouws > - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact > - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council > Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org > > -- Wunna Ko --- Get Paid To Read Emails. Free To Join Now! http://www.emailcashpro.com/?source=Email&r=onlinestore - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Wunna Ko wrote: +1 for incubator project. Nice to see a hardware with OpenOffice.org labelled on it. this is not really a good argument for a project and we should take it a little bit more serious. If you vote a project please think about the consequences it might have. We are a software project and no hardware project. Let them pay 2 per year and they can maybe use the logo, i don't know if that would be possible at all. It's just an idea. But please not in the way to accept a project where we will probably see no real progress or work and give them the opportunity to use the logo for free. I would of course kill or remove projects where no activity is going on. Or better i would consolidate the number of projects generally. Juergen On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Unless other information makes me change my mind, I support Juergens point of view, Cor Juergen Schmidt wrote (9-11-2009 13:29) for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am not sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very flexible configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the pre-configured profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking information but that's it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with many other applications. For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and wanted. We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator project. In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't see there huge opportunities. It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ... Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no for this new project. Just my 2 cents -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
RE: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Dear Mr. Hanson: In your recent message, you side "you have the wrong address". I am a bit confused. Who had the wrong address for what? Were you referring to Wanna KO, or me (Bruce Martin?) Best Regards, brucemarti...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Juergen Schmidt wrote: > I would of course kill or remove projects where no activity is going > on. Or better i would consolidate the number of projects generally. > Something for your CC agenda? ;) /me would be glad to see that happening ... -- Thorsten pgpi1TmevZ5tD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Hi, Thorsten Behrens schrieb: Juergen Schmidt wrote: I would of course kill or remove projects where no activity is going on. Or better i would consolidate the number of projects generally. Something for your CC agenda? ;) Actually it is on the agenda: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Agenda AI 8. Proposal for handling incubator and NLC projects ATM it is up to the cathegory lead (for NLC and incubator) to remove projects from theses catheories. But this is not document, and there is no info, how this process should be triggered (and by whom). If you want to poke the Council, just suggest some projects to be removed :D André - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Cor Nouws wrote: Unless other information makes me change my mind, I support Juergens point of view, I also support Juergens Point of View -1 for OpenOfficeMouse incubator project Cor Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
I understand your reasoning and also can not (yet) see any benefit for the OOo project. Regards Kay Juergen Schmidt wrote: Hi, for new incubator projects the main question for me is, if there is any real relation and benefit for our project. In case of this mouse i am not sure and i don't really see it. It is a piece of hardware with very flexible configuration options. Not more and not less. Ok one of the pre-configured profiles was created based on some OOo user tracking information but that's it. It is not OOo specific and can be used with many other applications. For me it is no incubator project. For me it is a clever marketing strategy and nothing more. Probably there are other ways to support such things and it can be evaluated in a different context if necessary and wanted. We should simply ask us what we would expect from a new incubator project. In which direction would it develop further? I personally don't see there huge opportunities. It is more natural that we will support modern and new hardware like the new generation of touch pads which will also allow nice features ... Sorry but it doesn't really convince me and from my point of view a no for this new project. Just my 2 cents Juergen OOmouse wrote: I am the designer of the OpenOfficeMouse and a long-time user of OpenOffice.org, particularly Writer and Impress. It is my belief that application interface efficiency can be pursued in other ways than new variations on hotkeys, pull-down menus, and icon toolbars. We are planning to release the source code for the mouse software we have written and would like to do so as an OpenOffice.org project rather than as an independent OSS project as a means of contributing to the community. This is a request for review of the proposal to establish the setup and customization software for the OpenOfficeMouse as an OpenOffice.org open source development project. The OpenOfficeMouse mouse is designed specifically for use with OpenOffice and incorporates OOo 3.1 usage data for its default button assignments. The software presently allows complete customization of the mouse's 18 buttons, scroll wheel, and analog joystick. Additional functionality includes double-click assignments for all 18 buttons as well as the ability to use the joystick as a keyboard with 4, 8, or 16 assignable key commands. Version 1.0 of the software is already functional for Windows operating systems and the code will be released under the Gnu Lesser General Public License (LGPLv3). The mouse possesses 512k flash memory, supports 64 on-mouse application profiles, and 1024-character macros. The software is written in C++ using Qt library and uses .svg format for all graphics. The most pressing need is for a library for sending and receiving commands according to the HID standard in order to provide full Linux and OS/X support. More information about the OpenOfficeMouse can be found at www.openofficemouse.com. The OpenOfficeMouse will be publicly introduced at OOoCon next month. Thank you, Theo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Incubator project proposal - OpenOfficeMouse
Hi Theo, OOmouse wrote (18-11-2009 22:14) [...] So, perhaps the consensus will be that it simply doesn't fit. That's all right, but in any case, I would like the Community to understand that the proposal was more a consequence of the mouse than a marketing scheme for it and that it was mostly driven by our desire to contribute to a project from which we have derived great benefit. Thanks for your further thoughts and the understanding. Fair enough for me if you explain what the most important drive was (and is). After all, if that fits with a good marketing scheme, there is nothing against it. Can you pls inform if the project/software is hosted somewhere else? Best regards, Cor -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Contributor Representative in the Community Council Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
