Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Thank you, Although I am a silent listener, I often wonder if people take the time to understand the implications of what I know I and my like me are doing and that is cutting him off completely. I was merely playing the advocate on his behalf, I was not condoning his verbal actions and mental terrene. Richard. On 11/1/05, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are not talking about his support of a politician or poitical movement, we are talking about rude, disruptive behavior over a long period. Just set the mail software so that his replies only go to himself. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, mark wrote: [snip] HOWEVER, at least in the US, and what's usually meant by constitutions, etc, that endorse it, is POLITICAL speech. [snip] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mr. Richard Jenkins. You can desire to choose or you can choose to desire The effect is the same BUT the outcome is different.
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Hi everyone. Now I don't write very often BUT I do read the writing coming down the tube! Censorship; not a nice word is it, YES it's true some people will never listen to reason or fact no matter how conclusive, but dismisal or censorship or even shooting the non-believer is not what we are all about, is it!? I was of the belief that we had that thing now what was it!? Oh yes that's it Freedom of speach We must stop people from trying to cut the head off the snake as it breeds snakes not stops them, is, there possibly another way like education or maybe simple not paying attention to his or her ramblings maybe, I don't know. In the eyes of what you believe is GOD they have the right to say and do what they believe is truth, and as we all know TRUTH IS RELATIVE that is your true maybe different to mine BUT your truth and my truth have the right to either co-habitate or live seperatly, we do not have the right to kill each others truth.! Sorry guys I tend to babble a little Richard. On 10/31/05, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very well written response, Marco, especially with the examples from the mail archive. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mr. Richard Jenkins. You can desire to choose or you can choose to desire The effect is the same BUT the outcome is different.
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Richard, The point is not that he is wrong or that most people disagree with him. The point is that his behaviour is rude, disruptive and antagonistic. Seemingly it is all on purpose. Many of the arguments seem just that, arguments for the sake of argument apparently in disregard to his own earlier statements. Marco documented that very well. It's a behavioral problem. Period. Many, if not all have been patient, and even tried to help him along. Entity Chad itself claims to be very bright, so the only conclusion we can draw from the behavior is that it is intentional. But it has gone on too long and now the moderators need to address the problem directly. Andrew Brown has offered to assume the role of devil's advocate here. So you needn't worry about the political movemnt not having its views represented here. I expect Andrew could continue his method of polite, articulate discourse even in his new role, should he choose to adopt it. Or you, yourself, may even step politely into the role. This is a mailing list. All we have are words. Different views and eventual disagreement are part of the process. So are misspellings and grammatical errors. Consistent, long-term rudeness and antagonism and personal verbal attacks are not. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 16:07 +0800, Richard jenkins wrote: Hi everyone. Now I don't write very often BUT I do read the writing coming down the tube! Censorship; not a nice word is it, Don't confuse freedom of speech with anti-social behaviour. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Freedom of speech in it rudimentary form is the amiable right to do or say what you like no matter what the circumstances. So being rude is a form of speech, if you yourself were to say something that, 'lets say' I found rude do I then find you anti-social or simple down right rude. I think not as I have not found you thus. We the people do not have the right to pass judgement on someone just because that which they have said offends us. Just recalling He is without 88 cast the first stone no guys I am not religious, but I have studied the book. Now to you and many of us he is a crass rude and without a doubt a severe case of megalomania as he/she professes to be right and everyone else wrong and to cover his/her distaste for argument hides behind rudeness. Maybe we should not be asking what to do about him but why he is doing it! Maybe he/she has something of importance to convey, I don't know. What say we set up some way of allowing him/her through verbal discussion in a chat room or alike to push his/her point, remembering of course to invite everyone to attend, so we can evaluate his/her words simple as words and not an attitude or social disorder. I have found that most rude people have a very valid point, they just don't say it properly and people label them rude. I think it should be a global discussion one that I personally would love to attend. Richard On 10/31/05, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 16:07 +0800, Richard jenkins wrote: Hi everyone. Now I don't write very often BUT I do read the writing coming down the tube! Censorship; not a nice word is it, Don't confuse freedom of speech with anti-social behaviour. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mr. Richard Jenkins. You can desire to choose or you can choose to desire The effect is the same BUT the outcome is different.
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
CC'd to social, please continue there. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Brian Lunergan wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 16:07 +0800, Richard jenkins wrote: Now I don't write very often BUT I do read the writing coming down the tube! Censorship; not a nice word is it, Don't confuse freedom of speech with anti-social behaviour. Very true, Ian. Far too many think that freedom of speech is a right (it is a privilege, not a right) that allows them to say whatever, whenever, Uh, no, it *is* a right. HOWEVER, at least in the US, and what's usually meant by constitutions, etc, that endorse it, is POLITICAL speech. It slops over to artistic and religious speech, and then spreads around, generally. One might also recall that there is *no* freedom of speech right to shout FIRE in a crowded theatre, no is there a right to raise incite mob action and violence. snip Trolls is trolls. Even if he isn't unsubbed, there's the std. answer from Usenet: the killfile. mark -- FDR: We have nothing to fear but fear itself. GWB: Be afwaid. Be vewwy afwaid. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Brian Lunergan wrote: [snip] I'm not sure chucking him out is called for. My Org Behaviour course has been talking about behaviour modification in the workplace. We've all been rewarding his behaviour by being a good audience and responding every time he opens his mouth. On Usenet and other forus, it's called feeding the trolls. Extinction of the behaviour is what we want, isn't it? [snip] B.F. Skinner was the pioneer in that field in modern times. I'd like to find a good summary on the web, but if two methods are combined: one to extinguish the undesirable behavior and one to reinforce the desirable behavior. For now, everyone would be better off ignoring or unsubscribing him. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Very well written response, Marco, especially with the examples from the mail archive. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Marco wrote: objective data, with a determination that can only be explained by: 1) serious mental disability, or 2) deliberate trolling 3) He still hopes to become a stand up comic. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 13:46 -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: In the last year C. Smith has repeatedly annoyed many other members of this list. Apart from (lack of) good manners, he has consistantly demonstrated ignorance of basic IT and industry policy concepts, regardless of how many times they have been proven to him with objective data, with a determination that can only be explained by: 1) serious mental disability, or 2) deliberate trolling +1 Unsubscribe Chad. +1 +1 -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Saturday, October 29, 2005 Jonathon Blake wrote: Marco wrote: objective data, with a determination that can only be explained by: 1) serious mental disability, or 2) deliberate trolling 3) He still hopes to become a stand up comic. I would discard that hypothesis. He's neither of: funny, sarcastic, entertaining, profound, vitriolic. -- Giuseppe Oblomov Bilotta - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: Saturday, October 29, 2005 Jonathon Blake wrote: Marco wrote: objective data, with a determination that can only be explained by: 1) serious mental disability, or 2) deliberate trolling 3) He still hopes to become a stand up comic. I would discard that hypothesis. He's neither of: funny, sarcastic, entertaining, profound, vitriolic. Well, I've just created a filter that deletes any mail I get with his address in the sender position. I'm not sure chucking him out is called for. My Org Behaviour course has been talking about behaviour modification in the workplace. We've all been rewarding his behaviour by being a good audience and responding every time he opens his mouth. Extinction of the behaviour is what we want, isn't it? So whether you call it giving the cold shoulder or that lovely Brit expression sending him to Coventry I vote that we use the blocked sender or msg filter capability of our email program to simply not listen to him. If we're patient he will get the hint his approach and manner are completely unacceptable if he wishes to take part in this group's discussions. -- Brian Lunergan Nepean, Ontario Canada --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0543-2, 2005-10-27 Tested on: 29/10/05 8:38:04 AM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
In the last year C. Smith has repeatedly annoyed many other members of this list. Apart from (lack of) good manners, he has consistantly demonstrated ignorance of basic IT and industry policy concepts, regardless of how many times they have been proven to him with objective data, with a determination that can only be explained by: 1) serious mental disability, or 2) deliberate trolling This has created way too useless traffic and misinformation on this list, with a lot of wasted effort from other members to at least limit the damage on newcomers. Some examples of this are reported below. There are more, but I have already wasted too much time on this person to continue. Now, as far as disabilities or trolling are concerned, yesterday this person was so kind to inform us that (in spite of all the evidence below): I also get upset ... by people constantly claiming I have some sort of learning disability... I actually have a documented genius level IQ. I'm in the 99th percentile. This only leaves open the second option, which is far less tolerable. Therefore, I request to the list maintainer that this person is expelled by all OO.o lists. In case this doesn't happen, or in the meantime, I hearthily suggest that other list members: filter him out (with procmail on *nix systems use this recipe, I have *already* loaded it): :0: * ^From: Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null bookmark this message in the list archives, so whenever some newcomer risks to get lost after him you can immediately provide a summary of why it wouldn't make sense to listen On to the proofs now. 1) We have just heard that: Do you think anyone could read a computer file from 50 years ago today? Not without some *very* specialized tools - IE hardware *and* software. note the complete confusion. This by itself is enough to disqualify him, as he doesn't grasp that: digital data can and are continuously copied to new supports as old HW disappears (5 floppies to today's floppies to CDs to DVD to HD-DVD or Blu Ray to...) files are not hardware, nor are formats 2) but immediately after, in the same thread, he says that the only format he'd trust to store information forever is paper... but going to a library It's kinda pointless [with the Internet at home], that is now that he has *digital* data *always* available. 3) From the archives, a proof that his files and usage of office suites have always been so elementary to not trust him on anything related to data formats or ownership (not to mention marketing): Subject: Re: [discuss] Re: MS file compatibility From: Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:50:26 -0400 To: discuss@openoffice.org I really fail to understand how people *on this list* can continue to believe that file formats are a way to lock people in... File formats are *not* what keep MSO on top. If every other office program on *EARTH* uses them, how could it be? 4) So long, freedom of speech and data ownership: Subject: [discuss] Re: From: Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:29:58 -0400 To: discuss@openoffice.org * I must be guaranteed if I want so that my files will be always *completely* mine. Even if I switch SW every other week, from proprietary to OSS and back Why *must* you be guaranteed that? What constitution or religious document guarantees you such an audacious right? If you want to be guarnteed sch unlimited access (that has *never* been available to *anyone* before), then print them out. [because] there is not any way of knowing what software will exist in 5 years. Also note the rambling [13 months ago] on printing as the only way to go. Even then, it had already been proven as ridiculous and naive by all other members. If this is not trolling... 5) rigorous research... Subject: [discuss] OASIS in AbiWord, was: New OOo Format From: Marco Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:37:07 +0200 (CEST) To: discuss@openoffice.org Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been explaining time and again that AbiWord does NOT use the OO.o format, Do your homework. AbiWord *DOES* support OOo format. http://www.abisource.com/tour/ quote Interoperability ...Speaking of homework, once more you didn't bother to check the facts before opening your mouth and embarass yourself. From http://www.abisource.com/twiki/bin/view/Abiword/FaqOtherFormatsSupported Supporting OASIS / XML Format: In this email the question was asked whether AbiWord would support the standard XML format for office documents That email is from the thread *I* started 15 months ago on the abiword developers list to raise this very issue. This (plus all the useless traffic and the time it forced everybody to waste in this month alone) is enough for me to request he is unsubscribed, and surely to NOT read one single message from him anymore (as I
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
M. Fioretti wrote: In the last year C. Smith has repeatedly annoyed many other members of this list. Apart from (lack of) good manners, he has consistantly demonstrated ignorance of basic IT and industry policy concepts, regardless of how many times they have been proven to him with objective data, with a determination that can only be explained by: 1) serious mental disability, or 2) deliberate trolling +1 Unsubscribe Chad. Cheers, Daniel. -- DEMAND __ __ __ http://opendocumentfellowship.org/petition/ | ||__)|__|\ | - Tell Microsoft to support it |__|| |__| \|DOCUMENT - Sign the petition - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Daniel Carrera wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: In the last year C. Smith has repeatedly annoyed many other members of this list. Apart from (lack of) good manners, he has consistantly demonstrated ignorance of basic IT and industry policy concepts, regardless of how many times they have been proven to him with objective data, with a determination that can only be explained by: 1) serious mental disability, or 2) deliberate trolling +1 Unsubscribe Chad. +1 - Dan #2 -- Trying to get a job as a c++ developer? See http://kegel.com/academy/getting-hired.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
