Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Rigel wrote: We have 42 chapters published for OOo v1 and 46 for OOo v2. How many more do you need before you can call them ready to be published? Err... Daniel? I didn't mean to be offensive... It was... Just a thought Rigel Sorry, that probably came out worse than I intended it. I apologize. There has been a thread on another mailing list that has been less than friendly. Cheers, Daniel. -- /\/`) Leave your mark at OpenOffice.org /\/_/ /\/_/ OOoAuthors: http://oooauthors.org \/_/Knowledge Base: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/ / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Daniel Carrera wrote: Rigel wrote: I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. We have 42 chapters published for OOo v1 and 46 for OOo v2. How many more do you need before you can call them ready to be published? Cheers, Daniel. Err... Daniel? I didn't mean to be offensive... It was... Just a thought Rigel I mean that what Rigel tried to encourage is a wrapper site that will compile and get 'the guide' compiled and printed as opposed to the decoupled form of OOoAuthor. BTW OOoAuthors is looking great and now it also look more internationalized. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandro Colorado wrote: Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki I like MediaWiki because it has been designed with the user in mind, and with the internet in mind. The software is still evolving, and works very well in my opinion. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. Rigel We have a wiki por OOo extensions however there seem to be some death OOo projects like oooextras.sf.net which have been not moving for certain years. A wiki is a good idea but we really need to know what is that we triying to do. We have a knowledgebase already as well as a marketing site, there have been encouragement of the community to do sites like http://www.sreadopenoffice.org which is still in development. Others such as OOoAuthor and TutorialsforOpenOffice.org are example of some documentation sites and OOoForums.org is for discussions of use. Wiki is great but is also a challenge, writting a book in a wiki is hard to download and print and most end users are more used to have a PDF of the 'book' and print it out. So you would need to manage the effiency of a web-based only OOo guide. I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. Rigel I agree but we need the massiveness, I have a wiki for my local LUG and it went well until people had too many tools and couldn't keep up. Right now we are having forums, wikis, mailing list, chat rooms, cms, and a lot of fragmentation is going on. OOoAuthor is the same thing, volunteers from OOoAuthors is equal to the concept of everyone building content and providing content. Same as the Knowldege Base, even OOoAuthors have blogs and the search functionalities of Plone are very advanced simply because they are based in Python which is a language who excelently handle strings (text). My advise is to really dig into OOoAuthors and see if this is what you were talking about and what difference u think wiki will provide. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandro Colorado wrote: Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki I like MediaWiki because it has been designed with the user in mind, and with the internet in mind. The software is still evolving, and works very well in my opinion. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. Rigel We have a wiki por OOo extensions however there seem to be some death OOo projects like oooextras.sf.net which have been not moving for certain years. A wiki is a good idea but we really need to know what is that we triying to do. We have a knowledgebase already as well as a marketing site, there have been encouragement of the community to do sites like http://www.sreadopenoffice.org which is still in development. Others such as OOoAuthor and TutorialsforOpenOffice.org are example of some documentation sites and OOoForums.org is for discussions of use. Wiki is great but is also a challenge, writting a book in a wiki is hard to download and print and most end users are more used to have a PDF of the 'book' and print it out. So you would need to manage the effiency of a web-based only OOo guide. I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. Rigel I agree but we need the massiveness, I have a wiki for my local LUG and it went well until people had too many tools and couldn't keep up. Right now we are having forums, wikis, mailing list, chat rooms, cms, and a lot of fragmentation is going on. OOoAuthor is the same thing, volunteers from OOoAuthors is equal to the concept of everyone building content and providing content. Same as the Knowldege Base, even OOoAuthors have blogs and the search functionalities of Plone are very advanced simply because they are based in Python which is a language who excelently handle strings (text). My advise is to really dig into OOoAuthors and see if this is what you were talking about and what difference u think wiki will provide. Hi alexandro. One of my links was wrong, and so I'll update it here. * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://wikicities.com/wiki/Wikicities not sure why that didn't paste properly the first time. Anyway. I'll go look at OOo Authors, and if you like, you can follow that link. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki I like MediaWiki because it has been designed with the user in mind, and with the internet in mind. The software is still evolving, and works very well in my opinion. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. Rigel We have a wiki por OOo extensions however there seem to be some death OOo projects like oooextras.sf.net which have been not moving for certain years. A wiki is a good idea but we really need to know what is that we triying to do. We have a knowledgebase already as well as a marketing site, there have been encouragement of the community to do sites like http://www.sreadopenoffice.org which is still in development. Others such as OOoAuthor and TutorialsforOpenOffice.org are example of some documentation sites and OOoForums.org is for discussions of use. Wiki is great but is also a challenge, writting a book in a wiki is hard to download and print and most end users are more used to have a PDF of the 'book' and print it out. So you would need to manage the effiency of a web-based only OOo guide. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Quoting Rigel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki I like MediaWiki because it has been designed with the user in mind, and with the internet in mind. The software is still evolving, and works very well in my opinion. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. Rigel We have a wiki por OOo extensions however there seem to be some death OOo projects like oooextras.sf.net which have been not moving for certain years. A wiki is a good idea but we really need to know what is that we triying to do. We have a knowledgebase already as well as a marketing site, there have been encouragement of the community to do sites like http://www.sreadopenoffice.org which is still in development. Others such as OOoAuthor and TutorialsforOpenOffice.org are example of some documentation sites and OOoForums.org is for discussions of use. Wiki is great but is also a challenge, writting a book in a wiki is hard to download and print and most end users are more used to have a PDF of the 'book' and print it out. So you would need to manage the effiency of a web-based only OOo guide. I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Rigel wrote: I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. We have 42 chapters published for OOo v1 and 46 for OOo v2. How many more do you need before you can call them ready to be published? Cheers, Daniel. -- /\/`) Leave your mark at OpenOffice.org /\/_/ /\/_/ OOoAuthors: http://oooauthors.org \/_/Knowledge Base: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/ / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Daniel Carrera wrote: Rigel wrote: I was just thinking... You know. That it could be based sort of on the same method as the rest of the web. People can quickly find what their looking for, by following links around the wiki, and that members could be allowed to update the content accordingly. This would provide a fairly open, method of documentation creation, and collection. I was thinking that it would be better used to build the reference material, versus providing it, and perhaps provide an interim documentation source until the guides are ready to be published. That's all. We have 42 chapters published for OOo v1 and 46 for OOo v2. How many more do you need before you can call them ready to be published? Cheers, Daniel. Err... Daniel? I didn't mean to be offensive... It was... Just a thought Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * A new public wiki could be sponsord here in the mean time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki I like MediaWiki because it has been designed with the user in mind, and with the internet in mind. The software is still evolving, and works very well in my opinion. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. Rigel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Wiki's and Blogs for OOo?
Rigel wrote: Presently the OOo initiative has several hundred if not thousands of members. Some of them even get paid. There are a number of developers donated by SUN Microsystems, and various user lists, language forums, discussion dialogues and the such. This doesn't even scratch the surface of users manual and permanent archiving needs of guides and reference material. Does this mean you are going to join the OOoAuthors project? I would like to extend the idea of implementing the advantage of taking ahold of Various OOo blogs, for different initiatives that are being worked on for OOo, and an OOo wiki designed to provide adaptable content to users as the software, and the communities grow. OOoAuthors can acomodate wikis. It can also acomodate several other tools that have good advantages over wikis. So you can use the best tool for the job. For example, a wiki excels at cases where you have a large collection of self-contained articles in a flat format. For example, help files and encyclopedias. But for example, a user guide is a sequential document that requires a lot more coordination than wikis provide. Also, using OOo files allows one to use a lot of powerful tools that are important for writing a long document (master documents, styles, superior graphics, recording changes, etc). For this reason, OOoAuthors uses a general-purpose CMS that can give you wikis, or can give you file-based content management. So you can use the best tool for each job. This would allow users, administrators, user support, and discuss members, as well as various language lists to collectively share their knowledge in a centralized, open environment. * I found this page on WikiPedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org The things you listed do not belong in an encyclopedia. Those are not encyclopedic content. * MediaWiki can be launched on a server inside sun or remotely to host their own wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki CollabNet does not give you wikis. Trust me, I tried. The chances of seeing a wiki on CollabNet are almost nill. This is why we went to a different server, where we have a friendly sponsor who is happy to let us use the tools we need. Does anyone like these ideas? I don't see how OOo and its supporters have anything to lose really, except maybe a few keystrokes. I'm certainly not against it. The best way to have a good idea is to have many ideas. If you feel motivated to try this out, please do go for it. Though I'd encourage you to look at what's currently available at OOoAuthors and see if it'll do. There is one more thing to lose though: having a large number of small websites makes each website hard to find. Having fewer, larger websites makes them easier to find and remmeber. It's just good marketing. For that reason, you should think about whether the benefit of the new system you want to try is greater than the loss from adding another URL to the pot. I can think of one option. I could ask our sponsor if we could run MediaWiki from our server and use our domain. Something like: http://wiki.oooauthors.org/ And we would use links to help people navigate between the Plone site and the Wiki site. A drawback of this is it'd make management more difficult. But if you're willing to put in the work, I guess we could do this. Just thinking out loud... Cheers, Daniel. -- /\/`) Leave your mark at OpenOffice.org /\/_/ /\/_/ OOoAuthors: http://oooauthors.org \/_/Knowledge Base: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/ / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
