R: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News
Hi I assume that the objective for a GNU HW manufacturer should be to keep providing the SDR hardware at lowest possible prices and keep developing products + UNDER GPL. I know no big company with these objectives. And I don't expect NI to be different. GNU and big business are not good friends. I think it's just a matter of time. Let's make the most until then. This is *not* a blame for Ettus management of course, but please raise your hand anybody being 100% sure that the GNU part of USRP project is not jeopardized inthe long run. BR Alberto Messaggio originale Da: firasmail2...@yahoo.com Data: 06/02/2010 14.34 A: gnuradioDiscuss-gnuradio@gnu.org Ogg: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News What is important to us is to keep providing the SDR hardware at lowest possible prices and keep developing your products. Presentaci un amico! Invita i tuoi amici a scoprire i servizi Tiscali: per ogni amico che attiverà un servizio Tiscali, potrai avere 30 euro di sconto e lo stesso sconto di 30 euro verrà poi offerto al tuo amico. Scopri come! http://abbonati.tiscali.it/presentaci_un_amico/?WT.mc_id=01fw ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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On 8 February 2010 13:21, Alberto Trentadue albtrenta...@tiscali.it wrote: Hi I assume that the objective for a GNU HW manufacturer should be to keep providing the SDR hardware at lowest possible prices and keep developing products + UNDER GPL. I know no big company with these objectives. And I don't expect NI to be different. GNU and big business are not good friends. I think it's just a matter of time. Let's make the most until then. This is *not* a blame for Ettus management of course, but please raise your hand anybody being 100% sure that the GNU part of USRP project is not jeopardized inthe long run. We can speculate all that we want but the only thing we can know with 100% certainty is that nobody can predict the future. Therefore, I'll limit my contribution in this thread to pointing out that there have also been positive cases where similar acquisitions have lead to something very good for the community. The acquisition of Trolltech (Qt) by Nokia comes to mind, which changed Qt from GPL/Commercial to LGPL and opened up a much closer collaboration between developers and the community. I see no reason for being pessimistic based on the available evidence. Alex ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Hi, I want to share my 2 cents: 1) Congratulation Matt. 2) Matt (and Ettus Research) has gave much to SDR open source community and deserve more funding. 3) May be things (for gnuradio community) will not be as it was before NI announcement, but one should not be selfish and let others who served (and still serving) the humanity with this great project (Eric, Johnathan, Matt, Josh, Tom,, etc) to take little financial benefits from their work. 4) We should be very grateful for them for sharing their knowledge with us and providing a low cost educational and business hardware/software platforms. 5) This is natural business development and I support the one who says that the resistance to this movement reveals a secret agenda. 6) I agree with the one who says it is business, but with my respect to him we do this business (in open source community) with friendship, fun and pleasure. Dear Matt, What is important to us is to keep providing the SDR hardware at lowest possible prices and keep developing your products. Congratulation again. Best Regards, Firas Abbas ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News
Today, as the next step in the growth of our company, we are very proud to announce that Ettus Research has been acquired by National Instruments Corporation (NI, http://www.ni.com). NI was founded in 1976 to transform the way engineers and scientists around the world design, prototype, and deploy systems for test, control, and embedded design applications. This is scary, but there are also some possibilities involved here too. This will give Matt more resources, which can benefit us if used correctly. And I guess nobody can turn down the possibility of making a couple of million bucks. I have always told NI people (including the local CEO) that their software and hardware sucks, because it is expensive, restrictive and runs well only on windows. We have bought hardware from NI for over ten times the price of a USRP and we still use USRP because it simply works better for us in terms flexibility and ease of use. Here is my wish list: 1. Maintain hackability of the hardware, keep the schematics open. And please, don't require proprietary rack mounting connectors. 2. Try to maintain the community. 3. And please, don't require me to find my latest NI update cds and serial numbers for my labview. I have no idea where they are. 4. Matt, please don't turn into a NI sales droid, at least not for another 10-20 years. juha ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
[Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News
Ettus Research LLC was founded in 2004 to produce high quality, low cost software radio systems, and bring these capabilities to everyone. In the last five and a half years this company, which started in a garage, has shipped thousands of products to users in over 67 countries. Those products have been used for everything from mapping the earth, moon and stars to tracking wildlife, from teaching signal processing to obtaining a PhD., by everyone from individual hobbyists to huge research teams, for communicating across a desk, under water, under ground, across town, and around the world. Today, as the next step in the growth of our company, we are very proud to announce that Ettus Research has been acquired by National Instruments Corporation (NI, http://www.ni.com). NI was founded in 1976 to transform the way engineers and scientists around the world design, prototype, and deploy systems for test, control, and embedded design applications. Below you will find answers to some questions you may have about this change. What does this mean for Ettus Research LLC and its products? For the most part, things will stay the same. We will continue to operate separately from, but as a wholly-owned subsidiary of National Instruments. Our web address, email, phone, and postal addresses will all stay the same. All sales will continue to be direct. The additional resources the acquisition provides us will help us to serve you better and faster. The USRP family of hardware for software radio will continue to be our main product line, and it will continue to be actively developed and improved. We have several exciting new products we are working on for release later this year. We are also working on a new Universal Hardware Driver or UHD, which will completely encapsulate everything needed to control all of our hardware in a single driver. This will enable software developers to use USRP hardware without having to worry about the low level details of daughterboard control, kernel drivers, or other factors. The UHD will be cross-platform, allowing use on Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X. What does this mean for GNU Radio? Ettus Research will continue to support and contribute to GNU Radio, and the combination of GNU Radio software and USRP hardware will remain our core focus. The additional resources that a large company like NI can provide will allow us to focus even more energy on improving the overall capabilities of the system. Two of the core GNU Radio developers, Matt Ettus and Josh Blum, are employed by Ettus Research. In the future we will also likely be providing GNU Radio drivers for additional hardware from National Instruments. What does this mean for LabVIEW? The Universal Hardware Driver will allow us to produce high-quality, officially supported LabVIEW drivers for all of our hardware. We hope to have those drivers available in the coming months. What does this mean for those using Simulink, OSSIE, OpenBTS, SCARI, or other software with their USRP hardware? Ettus Research is fully committed to enabling the use of USRP hardware with any and every software platform for SDR. The UHD will ease both the technical and the licensing hurdles which have made this somewhat difficult in the past. We will be actively seeking input from the key representatives of those communities in order to ensure that the UHD API will fulfill their needs. Will USRP hardware be sold through National Instruments? In the short term, no, all sales will continue to be directly through Ettus Research, but in the longer term we may offer some or all products through NI's worldwide sales network as well. In summary, we will continue to bring you high quality, low cost devices for software radio systems, to enable you, our users, to create exciting, groundbreaking radio communication systems. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thank you for your time and your support. Matt Ettus President, Ettus Research LLC m...@ettus.com ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News
Congrats all at Ettus research! Looking forward to the future. Tim -Original Message- From: Matt Ettus m...@ettus.com Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:01:25 To: gnuradioDiscuss-gnuradio@gnu.org Subject: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News Ettus Research LLC was founded in 2004 to produce high quality, low cost software radio systems, and bring these capabilities to everyone. In the last five and a half years this company, which started in a garage, has shipped thousands of products to users in over 67 countries. Those products have been used for everything from mapping the earth, moon and stars to tracking wildlife, from teaching signal processing to obtaining a PhD., by everyone from individual hobbyists to huge research teams, for communicating across a desk, under water, under ground, across town, and around the world. Today, as the next step in the growth of our company, we are very proud to announce that Ettus Research has been acquired by National Instruments Corporation (NI, http://www.ni.com). NI was founded in 1976 to transform the way engineers and scientists around the world design, prototype, and deploy systems for test, control, and embedded design applications. Below you will find answers to some questions you may have about this change. What does this mean for Ettus Research LLC and its products? For the most part, things will stay the same. We will continue to operate separately from, but as a wholly-owned subsidiary of National Instruments. Our web address, email, phone, and postal addresses will all stay the same. All sales will continue to be direct. The additional resources the acquisition provides us will help us to serve you better and faster. The USRP family of hardware for software radio will continue to be our main product line, and it will continue to be actively developed and improved. We have several exciting new products we are working on for release later this year. We are also working on a new Universal Hardware Driver or UHD, which will completely encapsulate everything needed to control all of our hardware in a single driver. This will enable software developers to use USRP hardware without having to worry about the low level details of daughterboard control, kernel drivers, or other factors. The UHD will be cross-platform, allowing use on Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X. What does this mean for GNU Radio? Ettus Research will continue to support and contribute to GNU Radio, and the combination of GNU Radio software and USRP hardware will remain our core focus. The additional resources that a large company like NI can provide will allow us to focus even more energy on improving the overall capabilities of the system. Two of the core GNU Radio developers, Matt Ettus and Josh Blum, are employed by Ettus Research. In the future we will also likely be providing GNU Radio drivers for additional hardware from National Instruments. What does this mean for LabVIEW? The Universal Hardware Driver will allow us to produce high-quality, officially supported LabVIEW drivers for all of our hardware. We hope to have those drivers available in the coming months. What does this mean for those using Simulink, OSSIE, OpenBTS, SCARI, or other software with their USRP hardware? Ettus Research is fully committed to enabling the use of USRP hardware with any and every software platform for SDR. The UHD will ease both the technical and the licensing hurdles which have made this somewhat difficult in the past. We will be actively seeking input from the key representatives of those communities in order to ensure that the UHD API will fulfill their needs. Will USRP hardware be sold through National Instruments? In the short term, no, all sales will continue to be directly through Ettus Research, but in the longer term we may offer some or all products through NI's worldwide sales network as well. In summary, we will continue to bring you high quality, low cost devices for software radio systems, to enable you, our users, to create exciting, groundbreaking radio communication systems. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thank you for your time and your support. Matt Ettus President, Ettus Research LLC m...@ettus.com ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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So I guess I should be the first one to ask: How will this affect the GPL and Open Sourceness of the USRP project? -Original Message- From: Matt Ettus m...@ettus.com Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:01:25 To: gnuradioDiscuss-gnuradio@gnu.org Subject: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News Ettus Research LLC was founded in 2004 to produce high quality, low cost software radio systems, and bring these capabilities to everyone. In the last five and a half years this company, which started in a garage, has shipped thousands of products to users in over 67 countries. Those products have been used for everything from mapping the earth, moon and stars to tracking wildlife, from teaching signal processing to obtaining a PhD., by everyone from individual hobbyists to huge research teams, for communicating across a desk, under water, under ground, across town, and around the world. Today, as the next step in the growth of our company, we are very proud to announce that Ettus Research has been acquired by National Instruments Corporation (NI, http://www.ni.com). NI was founded in 1976 to transform the way engineers and scientists around the world design, prototype, and deploy systems for test, control, and embedded design applications. Below you will find answers to some questions you may have about this change. What does this mean for Ettus Research LLC and its products? For the most part, things will stay the same. We will continue to operate separately from, but as a wholly-owned subsidiary of National Instruments. Our web address, email, phone, and postal addresses will all stay the same. All sales will continue to be direct. The additional resources the acquisition provides us will help us to serve you better and faster. The USRP family of hardware for software radio will continue to be our main product line, and it will continue to be actively developed and improved. We have several exciting new products we are working on for release later this year. We are also working on a new Universal Hardware Driver or UHD, which will completely encapsulate everything needed to control all of our hardware in a single driver. This will enable software developers to use USRP hardware without having to worry about the low level details of daughterboard control, kernel drivers, or other factors. The UHD will be cross-platform, allowing use on Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X. What does this mean for GNU Radio? Ettus Research will continue to support and contribute to GNU Radio, and the combination of GNU Radio software and USRP hardware will remain our core focus. The additional resources that a large company like NI can provide will allow us to focus even more energy on improving the overall capabilities of the system. Two of the core GNU Radio developers, Matt Ettus and Josh Blum, are employed by Ettus Research. In the future we will also likely be providing GNU Radio drivers for additional hardware from National Instruments. What does this mean for LabVIEW? The Universal Hardware Driver will allow us to produce high-quality, officially supported LabVIEW drivers for all of our hardware. We hope to have those drivers available in the coming months. What does this mean for those using Simulink, OSSIE, OpenBTS, SCARI, or other software with their USRP hardware? Ettus Research is fully committed to enabling the use of USRP hardware with any and every software platform for SDR. The UHD will ease both the technical and the licensing hurdles which have made this somewhat difficult in the past. We will be actively seeking input from the key representatives of those communities in order to ensure that the UHD API will fulfill their needs. Will USRP hardware be sold through National Instruments? In the short term, no, all sales will continue to be directly through Ettus Research, but in the longer term we may offer some or all products through NI's worldwide sales network as well. In summary, we will continue to bring you high quality, low cost devices for software radio systems, to enable you, our users, to create exciting, groundbreaking radio communication systems. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thank you for your time and your support. Matt Ettus President, Ettus Research LLC m...@ettus.com ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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I have questions about the UHD. What license will be applied to it? Will the sources be provided or binary only? (I suspect sources, but want to be sure) And will the UHD be taking the place of libusrp2.so? Also, more general, from the perspective of the user (me) what will change? From the announcement it seems that not much will change for the user. Thanks for your help and congratulations, Devin On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Matt Ettus m...@ettus.com wrote: Ettus Research LLC was founded in 2004 to produce high quality, low cost software radio systems, and bring these capabilities to everyone. In the last five and a half years this company, which started in a garage, has shipped thousands of products to users in over 67 countries. Those products have been used for everything from mapping the earth, moon and stars to tracking wildlife, from teaching signal processing to obtaining a PhD., by everyone from individual hobbyists to huge research teams, for communicating across a desk, under water, under ground, across town, and around the world. Today, as the next step in the growth of our company, we are very proud to announce that Ettus Research has been acquired by National Instruments Corporation (NI, http://www.ni.com). NI was founded in 1976 to transform the way engineers and scientists around the world design, prototype, and deploy systems for test, control, and embedded design applications. Below you will find answers to some questions you may have about this change. What does this mean for Ettus Research LLC and its products? For the most part, things will stay the same. We will continue to operate separately from, but as a wholly-owned subsidiary of National Instruments. Our web address, email, phone, and postal addresses will all stay the same. All sales will continue to be direct. The additional resources the acquisition provides us will help us to serve you better and faster. The USRP family of hardware for software radio will continue to be our main product line, and it will continue to be actively developed and improved. We have several exciting new products we are working on for release later this year. We are also working on a new Universal Hardware Driver or UHD, which will completely encapsulate everything needed to control all of our hardware in a single driver. This will enable software developers to use USRP hardware without having to worry about the low level details of daughterboard control, kernel drivers, or other factors. The UHD will be cross-platform, allowing use on Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X. What does this mean for GNU Radio? Ettus Research will continue to support and contribute to GNU Radio, and the combination of GNU Radio software and USRP hardware will remain our core focus. The additional resources that a large company like NI can provide will allow us to focus even more energy on improving the overall capabilities of the system. Two of the core GNU Radio developers, Matt Ettus and Josh Blum, are employed by Ettus Research. In the future we will also likely be providing GNU Radio drivers for additional hardware from National Instruments. What does this mean for LabVIEW? The Universal Hardware Driver will allow us to produce high-quality, officially supported LabVIEW drivers for all of our hardware. We hope to have those drivers available in the coming months. What does this mean for those using Simulink, OSSIE, OpenBTS, SCARI, or other software with their USRP hardware? Ettus Research is fully committed to enabling the use of USRP hardware with any and every software platform for SDR. The UHD will ease both the technical and the licensing hurdles which have made this somewhat difficult in the past. We will be actively seeking input from the key representatives of those communities in order to ensure that the UHD API will fulfill their needs. Will USRP hardware be sold through National Instruments? In the short term, no, all sales will continue to be directly through Ettus Research, but in the longer term we may offer some or all products through NI's worldwide sales network as well. In summary, we will continue to bring you high quality, low cost devices for software radio systems, to enable you, our users, to create exciting, groundbreaking radio communication systems. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thank you for your time and your support. Matt Ettus President, Ettus Research LLC m...@ettus.com ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Don Fanning wrote: So I guess I should be the first one to ask: How will this affect the GPL and Open Sourceness of the USRP project? More specifically, I see the pdfs of the schematics [1], but is there location to pull the .sch and .pcb files (or proprietary format equivalents) from? I checked the gnuradio src tree [2], no luck... thx, Jason. [1] http://code.ettus.com/redmine/ettus/projects/public/documents [2] http://gnuradio.org/redmine/repositories/show/gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Heh... You know I wondered the exact same thing a few weeks ago. Matt informed me that the .PCB files were never released. I did find a copy of the gEDA files used to make the schematic drawings for the USRP from a older GNURadio mirror. So much of what I'm seeing from Matt has been a move away from Open Source and more towards Closed Development. I love how the USRP brochure has this blurb: Open Source Community The entire USRP design is open source, including schematics, firmware, drivers, and even the FPGA and daughterboard designs. When combined with the open source GNU Radio software, you get a completely open software radio system enabling host-based signal processing on commodity platforms. No software or licenses need to be purchased. While to the letter of the law he did provide the above details, he has/will not provide all the information/engineering drawings necessary for people to roll their own boards or to import existing designs so they can be modified to suit a person's/organization's project. I can understand why being this is how he makes a living, but at the same time he shouldn't be promoting the design as open source... just open architecture-ish... On the other hand, the HPSDR is completely open. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Jason gnura...@lakedaemon.net wrote: Don Fanning wrote: So I guess I should be the first one to ask: How will this affect the GPL and Open Sourceness of the USRP project? More specifically, I see the pdfs of the schematics [1], but is there location to pull the .sch and .pcb files (or proprietary format equivalents) from? I checked the gnuradio src tree [2], no luck... thx, Jason. [1] http://code.ettus.com/redmine/ettus/projects/public/documents [2] http://gnuradio.org/redmine/repositories/show/gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Don Fanning d...@00100100.net wrote: Heh... You know I wondered the exact same thing a few weeks ago. Matt informed me that the .PCB files were never released. I did find a copy of the gEDA files used to make the schematic drawings for the USRP from a older GNURadio mirror. So much of what I'm seeing from Matt has been a move away from Open Source and more towards Closed Development. I love how the USRP brochure has this blurb: Open Source Community The entire USRP design is open source, including schematics, firmware, drivers, and even the FPGA and daughterboard designs. When combined with the open source GNU Radio software, you get a completely open software radio system enabling host-based signal processing on commodity platforms. No software or licenses need to be purchased. While to the letter of the law he did provide the above details, he has/will not provide all the information/engineering drawings necessary for people to roll their own boards or to import existing designs so they can be modified to suit a person's/organization's project. I can understand why being this is how he makes a living, but at the same time he shouldn't be promoting the design as open source... just open architecture-ish... I never do this, but: You have no idea what you are talking about. Please be better informed before libeling a real champion of open source software and hardware and who has done so much for the software radio community as a whole. On a personal level, he's also a very good friend. I will let Matt answer your specific issues, but I find your tone to be insulting and your comments baseless. This is not the kind of community we have been fostering here. Tom ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Am I denying that he shouldn't be paid? No. He has done a great bit of work and much congratulations to him for taking his business to the next level. I'm not going to get all awestruck about the guy. No one is worthy of that. He may be your friend, but this is just business. Nothing personal. When someone touts a product that doesn't include all the pieces, then they should be given a chance to respond and make it right. As for my tone: Matt started it. :-) I kinda felt something like this was happening when wouldn't repost the hardware designs back into the SVN. Apparently, I was right to be concerned as should anyone involved with the project. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Tom Rondeau trondeau1...@gmail.com wrote: I never do this, but: You have no idea what you are talking about. Please be better informed before libeling a real champion of open source software and hardware and who has done so much for the software radio community as a whole. On a personal level, he's also a very good friend. I will let Matt answer your specific issues, but I find your tone to be insulting and your comments baseless. This is not the kind of community we have been fostering here. Tom ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Don, If anyone out there that is actually a part of this community feels the way you do, I'd love to hear it. But you just showed up and started making accusations. I've been contributing to GNU Radio for nine years now. I'll answer your questions for the sake of everyone else, though. On 02/05/2010 01:20 PM, Don Fanning wrote: Heh... You know I wondered the exact same thing a few weeks ago. Matt informed me that the .PCB files were never released. I did find a copy of the gEDA files used to make the schematic drawings for the USRP from a older GNURadio mirror. So much of what I'm seeing from Matt has been a move away from Open Source and more towards Closed Development. This is nothing new. The .PCB files for the USRP1 and USRP2 were never released. This has been openly discussed on this mailing list in the past, and you are the first to express any real problem with it. Besides, the .PCB files are all in PADS format, and licenses to that program cost tens of thousands of dollars. As for the .sch files, we have moved our source control, our hosting, and our website, and been moving to a new build system all at the same time. We've also been trying to clean up these (sometimes very old) schematics to make them work with the current gEDA tools. Also, we've had a number of people build their own copies of our hardware, and when they don't work, try to get us to replace them by lying and saying they bought it from us. So I hope you can excuse us for not rushing to get schematic files to someone who has never paid us anything more than insults. I love how the USRP brochure has this blurb: Open Source Community The entire USRP design is open source, including schematics, firmware, drivers, and even the FPGA and daughterboard designs. When combined with the open source GNU Radio software, you get a completely open software radio system enabling host-based signal processing on commodity platforms. No software or licenses need to be purchased. Not a word in that is, was, or will be false. While to the letter of the law he did provide the above details, he has/will not provide all the information/engineering drawings necessary for people to roll their own boards or to import existing designs so they can be modified to suit a person's/organization's project. I can understand why being this is how he makes a living, but at the same time he shouldn't be promoting the design as open source... just open architecture-ish... On the other hand, the HPSDR is completely open. You are fully welcome to use an HPSDR product. You'll find that in addition to a lot of work of their own, they use a bunch of firmware and FPGA code that we wrote. Matt ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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NI has a reputation for fiercely protecting their patents. They sued The MathWorks over Simulink in a lengthy and hard-fought case and won in a jury trial in 2003. This is why, to this day, you can't change source block parameters via dialog box or other visual or control panel means while a simulation is running in Simulink. After that court decision, NI used litigation (or the threat of it) to subdue (or acquire) certain program vendors with block diagram style user-interfaces. My guess is that at some future point, new additions to Ettus radio will be offered under some type of business-oriented licensing model that ensures a software revenue stream for NI (in addition to the radio hardware). That has been NI's model; in following this company since the mid-1980s, I don't see it changing. -Jeff ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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On 02/05/2010 12:31 PM, devin kelly wrote: I have questions about the UHD. What license will be applied to it? Will the sources be provided or binary only? (I suspect sources, but want to be sure) And will the UHD be taking the place of libusrp2.so? The UHD code will ALL be open source. In ADDITION to GPL it will ALSO be available under a license which allows it to be linked into non-GPL and/or closed source applications like LabVIEW and Simulink. This is commonly known as dual-licensing. We still need to work out the exact wording of this license. And yes, it would supersede libusrp2.so. Also, more general, from the perspective of the user (me) what will change? From the announcement it seems that not much will change for the user. Users will not notice anything different. We are still committed to the same core values of open source and open standards we have always had. Matt ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Don- I'm not going to get all awestruck about the guy. No one is worthy of that. He may be your friend, but this is just business. Nothing personal. After seeing 100s of engineers and projects and companies go by in my 30 years of engineering, I can say you probably ought to be awestruck by Matt Ettus. He's that good. Through creativity, clear thinking and hard work, he's created something extremely valuable to humanity, used by 1000s of developers. On the other hand, I sure hope Matt did his homework on NI and added appropriate conditions in the acquisition agreement. -Jeff Don Fanning wrote: Am I denying that he shouldn't be paid? No. He has done a great bit of work and much congratulations to him for taking his business to the next level. I'm not going to get all awestruck about the guy. No one is worthy of that. He may be your friend, but this is just business. Nothing personal. When someone touts a product that doesn't include all the pieces, then they should be given a chance to respond and make it right. As for my tone: Matt started it. :-) I kinda felt something like this was happening when wouldn't repost the hardware designs back into the SVN. Apparently, I was right to be concerned as should anyone involved with the project. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Tom Rondeau trondeau1...@gmail.com wrote: I never do this, but: You have no idea what you are talking about. Please be better informed before libeling a real champion of open source software and hardware and who has done so much for the software radio community as a whole. On a personal level, he's also a very good friend. I will let Matt answer your specific issues, but I find your tone to be insulting and your comments baseless. This is not the kind of community we have been fostering here. Tom ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Hello, Hm, I discoverd it is like Free as in freedom not like free beer. :-( 2010/2/5 Tom Rondeau trondeau1...@gmail.com On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Don Fanning d...@00100100.net wrote: Heh... You know I wondered the exact same thing a few weeks ago. Matt informed me that the .PCB files were never released. I did find a copy of the gEDA files used to make the schematic drawings for the USRP from a older GNURadio mirror. So much of what I'm seeing from Matt has been a move away from Open Source and more towards Closed Development. I love how the USRP brochure has this blurb: Open Source Community The entire USRP design is open source, including schematics, firmware, drivers, and even the FPGA and daughterboard designs. When combined with the open source GNU Radio software, you get a completely open software radio system enabling host-based signal processing on commodity platforms. No software or licenses need to be purchased. While to the letter of the law he did provide the above details, he has/will not provide all the information/engineering drawings necessary for people to roll their own boards or to import existing designs so they can be modified to suit a person's/organization's project. I can understand why being this is how he makes a living, but at the same time he shouldn't be promoting the design as open source... just open architecture-ish... I never do this, but: You have no idea what you are talking about. Please be better informed before libeling a real champion of open source software and hardware and who has done so much for the software radio community as a whole. On a personal level, he's also a very good friend. I will let Matt answer your specific issues, but I find your tone to be insulting and your comments baseless. This is not the kind of community we have been fostering here. Tom ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Matt Ettus m...@ettus.com wrote: Don, If anyone out there that is actually a part of this community feels the way you do, I'd love to hear it. But you just showed up and started making accusations. I've been contributing to GNU Radio for nine years now. I'll answer your questions for the sake of everyone else, though. Matt, Your work is very commendable in regards to GNU Radio and you deserve your accolades as well as your new success with NI where I wish you even more success. The questions I've had for you have been purely business and nothing personal so if you feel that the questions I've asked are accusations, then please accept my humble apologies as to the intent. My goal here is to further the longevity of any open source project by making sure the knowledge and IP is there for future generations. It is all too often that a company such as Ettus LLC will change or do something that is contradictory to the open source movement thusly creating a landlocked community. For instance a certain radio company that advertises a piece of equipment with a open standard however uses proprietary vocodecs. On 02/05/2010 01:20 PM, Don Fanning wrote: Heh... You know I wondered the exact same thing a few weeks ago. Matt informed me that the .PCB files were never released. I did find a copy of the gEDA files used to make the schematic drawings for the USRP from a older GNURadio mirror. So much of what I'm seeing from Matt has been a move away from Open Source and more towards Closed Development. This is nothing new. The .PCB files for the USRP1 and USRP2 were never released. This has been openly discussed on this mailing list in the past, and you are the first to express any real problem with it. Besides, the .PCB files are all in PADS format, and licenses to that program cost tens of thousands of dollars. First, this was in reply to someone else's question. And yes, you did inform me of the .PCB's never being released a few weeks ago. Do I have a problem with it? Yes and no. Yes, because you didn't even bother converting them to PCB or even just releasing the PADS files and letting the teeming millions convert them for the project. And no, because I understand it's your IP that you're giving to the community. As for the .sch files, we have moved our source control, our hosting, and our website, and been moving to a new build system all at the same time. We've also been trying to clean up these (sometimes very old) schematics to make them work with the current gEDA tools. Again understandable. However very surprised (like others) that the hardware directory was gone. It took a little googling to find a old mirror that was still online. Also, we've had a number of people build their own copies of our hardware, and when they don't work, try to get us to replace them by lying and saying they bought it from us. That's down right douchebaggery right there and I can understand not supporting a product you didn't build. But I'm sure you have ways of identifying a board built by Ettus and a board build by someone else. So I hope you can excuse us for not rushing to get schematic files to someone who has never paid us anything more than insults. Again, no insults. Just appeared you were dropping off the face of the planet with your announcement and taking the USRP with you. Again, I've iterated that it's your right to do so since you own the copyright. But if you had done that move, you would have given a good slap to the open source community. As for your new ventures, there's no telling what they will ask of you since I'm assuming they bought the rights to the USRP and whether or not it remains in open source. Anything to the future would be speculation for which I did speculate to the worse case. I love how the USRP brochure has this blurb: Open Source Community The entire USRP design is open source, including schematics, firmware, drivers, and even the FPGA and daughterboard designs. When combined with the open source GNU Radio software, you get a completely open software radio system enabling host-based signal processing on commodity platforms. No software or licenses need to be purchased. Not a word in that is, was, or will be false. That part was not clear in your press release as to how it will affect the USRP and future driver development. And I think it should be clarified for the general public in how this will work out to the community. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Forget to mention: I have found an invitation paper from NI in my Mailbox today about some NI product presentation. So would be great if I find sometime a NI invitation about a GNURADIO presentation in my area. :-) yours faithful Josef Vukovic ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News
Congratulations to Ettus. Hope to see more and more nice productions Matt Ettus wrote: Ettus Research LLC was founded in 2004 to produce high quality, low cost software radio systems, and bring these capabilities to everyone. In the last five and a half years this company, which started in a garage, has shipped thousands of products to users in over 67 countries. Those products have been used for everything from mapping the earth, moon and stars to tracking wildlife, from teaching signal processing to obtaining a PhD., by everyone from individual hobbyists to huge research teams, for communicating across a desk, under water, under ground, across town, and around the world. Today, as the next step in the growth of our company, we are very proud to announce that Ettus Research has been acquired by National Instruments Corporation (NI, http://www.ni.com). NI was founded in 1976 to transform the way engineers and scientists around the world design, prototype, and deploy systems for test, control, and embedded design applications. Below you will find answers to some questions you may have about this change. What does this mean for Ettus Research LLC and its products? For the most part, things will stay the same. We will continue to operate separately from, but as a wholly-owned subsidiary of National Instruments. Our web address, email, phone, and postal addresses will all stay the same. All sales will continue to be direct. The additional resources the acquisition provides us will help us to serve you better and faster. The USRP family of hardware for software radio will continue to be our main product line, and it will continue to be actively developed and improved. We have several exciting new products we are working on for release later this year. We are also working on a new Universal Hardware Driver or UHD, which will completely encapsulate everything needed to control all of our hardware in a single driver. This will enable software developers to use USRP hardware without having to worry about the low level details of daughterboard control, kernel drivers, or other factors. The UHD will be cross-platform, allowing use on Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X. What does this mean for GNU Radio? Ettus Research will continue to support and contribute to GNU Radio, and the combination of GNU Radio software and USRP hardware will remain our core focus. The additional resources that a large company like NI can provide will allow us to focus even more energy on improving the overall capabilities of the system. Two of the core GNU Radio developers, Matt Ettus and Josh Blum, are employed by Ettus Research. In the future we will also likely be providing GNU Radio drivers for additional hardware from National Instruments. What does this mean for LabVIEW? The Universal Hardware Driver will allow us to produce high-quality, officially supported LabVIEW drivers for all of our hardware. We hope to have those drivers available in the coming months. What does this mean for those using Simulink, OSSIE, OpenBTS, SCARI, or other software with their USRP hardware? Ettus Research is fully committed to enabling the use of USRP hardware with any and every software platform for SDR. The UHD will ease both the technical and the licensing hurdles which have made this somewhat difficult in the past. We will be actively seeking input from the key representatives of those communities in order to ensure that the UHD API will fulfill their needs. Will USRP hardware be sold through National Instruments? In the short term, no, all sales will continue to be directly through Ettus Research, but in the longer term we may offer some or all products through NI's worldwide sales network as well. In summary, we will continue to bring you high quality, low cost devices for software radio systems, to enable you, our users, to create exciting, groundbreaking radio communication systems. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thank you for your time and your support. Matt Ettus President, Ettus Research LLC m...@ettus.com ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Ettus-Research-News-tp27471234p27475728.html Sent from the GnuRadio mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News
On 02/05/2010 04:59 PM, Don Fanning wrote: Am I denying that he shouldn't be paid? No. He has done a great bit of work and much congratulations to him for taking his business to the next level. I'm not going to get all awestruck about the guy. No one is worthy of that. He may be your friend, but this is just business. Nothing personal. When someone touts a product that doesn't include all the pieces, then they should be given a chance to respond and make it right. So, near as I can tell, the missing piece that you're all bothered about is that the PCB design files were never released, and this, somehow, makes the product not include all the pieces. Last time I bought an LCD TV, for example, I didn't even get printed-on-paper schematics, let alone electronic design files. Matt could have chosen to not give away *any* of the hardware design information in an e-useful format, and he'd *still* be a towering member of the Open Source community. There is no code that says that if you give away any of it, you have to give away all of it. Not only is *all* the firmware, fpga designs, software (via gnu radio), available openly, but so are other manufacturing files like the BOMs, and schematic-capture files. Matt, as the owner of this stuff in the intellectual sense, has chosen to hold-back a rather-small piece of the pie--that's his choice, and he's been very public about that choice from the very early days--and I've been around since the very beginning so I think I'm speaking with at least some authority on the subject. I have a USRP1 with a very low serial number, and I was one of the BETA customers for the DBS_RX, and even in those days, the policy was that the PCB files were held back. Seems to me that the only people really affected by such a decision are those who want to put *zero* effort into exact-cloning his work. If the *real* reason is that you want to integrate pieces of the design into your own product, then *everything* you need is already openly available. Implying otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme. Currently, there's a glitch in that websites got shuffled and Matt chose to take that opportunity to clean things up before putting all of that stuff back up. I think it really sucks that you're effectively accusing Matt of having a hidden agenda. Perhaps, I might suggest, Don, that maybe you're the one with the hidden agenda. Some peoples children ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Marcus D. Leech wrote: On 02/05/2010 04:59 PM, Don Fanning wrote: Am I denying that he shouldn't be paid? No. He has done a great bit of work and much congratulations to him for taking his business to the next level. I'm not going to get all awestruck about the guy. No one is worthy of that. He may be your friend, but this is just business. Nothing personal. When someone touts a product that doesn't include all the pieces, then they should be given a chance to respond and make it right. So, near as I can tell, the missing piece that you're all bothered about is that the PCB design files were never released, and this, somehow, makes the product not include all the pieces. I'm sure there are a few other files such as a true schematic so that the PCB layout could be reconfigured to meet a different form factor. But no worries, we all know that in open source: Some assembly is required... Last time I bought an LCD TV, for example, I didn't even get printed-on-paper schematics, let alone electronic design files. Matt could have chosen to not give away *any* of the hardware design information in an e-useful format, and he'd *still* be a towering member of the Open Source community. There is no code that says that if you give away any of it, you have to give away all of it. You're right. And lauds to him. But don't blame me if you chose to buy a LCD TV without schematics. Any true hacker worth their salt I'm sure could find a TV with such details. And you probably didn't get the SAMS manual with your TV... that costs extra. :) Not only is *all* the firmware, fpga designs, software (via gnu radio), available openly, but so are other manufacturing files like the BOMs, and schematic-capture files. Which the USRP2 is missing at least with my checkout of the SVN I found... But to give him the benefit of the doubt, he did say he's cleaning it up and re-releasing the BOM's so I'll just be patient unless NI takes control of the information. Matt, as the owner of this stuff in the intellectual sense, has chosen to hold-back a rather-small piece of the pie--that's his choice, and he's been very public about that choice from the very early days--and I've been around since the very beginning so I think I'm speaking with at least some authority on the subject. I have a USRP1 with a very low serial number, and I was one of the BETA customers for the DBS_RX, and even in those days, the policy was that the PCB files were held back. Good for you to support the project at an early stage. But what happens when your project won't fit into the square form factor? What if you have this great idea but can only fit into the form factor of say a cell phone... then what? I'm not the only one with the same idea... Look at the beagleboard guys doing their USRP work. Seems to me that the only people really affected by such a decision are those who want to put *zero* effort into exact-cloning his work. If the *real* reason is that you want to integrate pieces of the design into your own product, then *everything* you need is already openly available. Implying otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme. Umm... plagiarism has been said to be the greatest form of flattery.. but no, having the files helps *expand* a device's potential... an example would be a USRP2 with 4 ports instead of two on one board. And if this were really true, wouldn't you think some board manufacture in asia would be flooding the market with USRP knockoffs? I think you give too much credit to being a early pioneer and having all the arrows in your back... Currently, there's a glitch in that websites got shuffled and Matt chose to take that opportunity to clean things up before putting all of that stuff back up. I think it really sucks that you're effectively accusing Matt of having a hidden agenda. Perhaps, I might suggest, Don, that maybe you're the one with the hidden agenda. WTF? Doesn't anyone backup files? Or leave the old site up while they migrate the information? That's IT 101 there... Some peoples children I give Matt major props for developing the hardware, I really do... The rest of you are just appliance users. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Ettus Research News
Ettus publishes the schematics. They are sometimes out of date but not hard to figure out if you have an actual board in front of you and take a little time. What the BOM? Look at a schematic and a board and figure it out. It's not like anyone is trying to stop you. You want layout files? You think there's something wrong with Ettus withholding them? Fix the situation. The design is free in the sense that you are free to hire your own engineer to make your own layout from Ettus' free schematics. Then after you pay for that you can put your money where your mouth is and put those layout files on the web under GPL. You'd be the big hero who put Matt in his place. -- David On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Don Fanning wrote: While to the letter of the law he did provide the above details, he has/will not provide all the information/engineering drawings necessary for people to roll their own boards or to import existing designs so they can be modified to suit a person's/organization's project. I can understand why being this is how he makes a living, but at the same time he shouldn't be promoting the design as open source... just open architecture-ish... David A. Burgess Kestrel Signal Processing, Inc. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Don- But what happens when your project won't fit into the square form factor? What if you have this great idea but can only fit into the form factor of say a cell phone... then what? I'm not the only one with the same idea... Look at the beagleboard guys doing their USRP work. The Beagle board replaces the server, not the radio hardware. Beagle board guys are not working on shrinking the RF circuitry, at least yet. -Jeff ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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David Burgess wrote: You want layout files? You think there's something wrong with Ettus withholding them? Fix the situation. The design is free in the sense that you are free to hire your own engineer to make your own layout from Ettus' free schematics. Then after you pay for that you can put your money where your mouth is and put those layout files on the web under GPL. You'd be the big hero who put Matt in his place. -- David Because one possesses the schematics doesn't mean one can make their own layouts. All Amateur Radios come with schematics but I don't see droves of people copying their product. Repair shops are filled with schematics of devices but yet I don't see them selling bootleg copies out the back door. That's why people buy the product. And that's why Matt deserves the props and profits he gets. But for the longevity of an open source project, some files should be released such as this. Look at the RepRap. All the pieces can be reproduced from the board level up to the bracket. And before we go personal here, let's not discuss your project and how you're working other people's efforts to your advantage. (For which I'm a supporter of...) ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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Matt has never been forced to say that All USRP schematics (gEDA and PDF), all daughterboard schematics (gEDA and PDF), all daughterboard PCB design files, and daughterboard electrical and mechanical specs are available. You can find them on the download page. http://www.ettus.com/faq#pcb Besides, the .PCB files are all in PADS format, and licenses to that program cost tens of thousands of dollars. No matter if the licenses to that program cost tens of millions of dollars. Some people of the community should have the licence and help to convert the format. As for the .sch files, we have moved our source control, our hosting, and our website, and been moving to a new build system all at the same time. We've also been trying to clean up these (sometimes very old) schematics to make them work with the current gEDA tools. Honestly, are you sure that community members are so regarful to how the website is beautiful ? They are sometimes out of date but not hard to figure out if you have an actual board in front of you and take a little time. What the BOM? Look at a schematic and a board and figure it out. It's not like anyone is trying to stop you. Wrong argument : version numbers would solve efficiently that point. But for the longevity of an open source project, some files should be released such as this. Look at the RepRap. The fact is that Matt is very cunning ! Through open source project he made a lot of advertsing for his product. Promising to release any source files, being calming the community by : be patient, I am reorganizing the website, I am coverting the files, I am making evrything to be clean... And all kid were so patient. At the same time, he was negociating with NI in order to make all protected. Thanks Matt, you are very wonderful ! The only way to deny what we are saying is to put on line what you firmly promised by saying All USRP schematics (gEDA and PDF), all daughterboard schematics (gEDA and PDF), all daughterboard PCB design files, and daughterboard electrical and mechanical specs are available. You can find them on the download page. http://www.ettus.com/faq#pcb Kind regards. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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On 02/05/2010 08:17 PM, Don Fanning wrote: Good for you to support the project at an early stage. But what happens when your project won't fit into the square form factor? What if you have this great idea but can only fit into the form factor of say a cell phone... then what? I'm not the only one with the same idea... Look at the beagleboard guys doing their USRP work. Then you take the schematic-capture and BOM files (which are hard to get at the moment, I'll give you). You run the auto-routing, which, in my experience, takes care of 85-95% of the task, and you have a board layout in your new squeezed format. In fact, the existing PCB files are nearly-useless for taking the existing layout and squeezing it into a new form factor--particularly one as dramatic as the existing square board and packing into a cellphone format. There'll be virtually 100% rip-up and re-route. Seems to me that the only people really affected by such a decision are those who want to put *zero* effort into exact-cloning his work. If the *real* reason is that you want to integrate pieces of the design into your own product, then *everything* you need is already openly available. Implying otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme. I give Matt major props for developing the hardware, I really do... The rest of you are just appliance users. What a lovely appliance it is, too. But really? The *dozens* of core developers of Gnu Radio who've built an entire eco-system around USRP1/2? They're just appliance users? Oh yeah, right. Hardware is hard, and software is easy. ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
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All, Sorry for the sh*tstorm... :-( Jason wrote: Don Fanning wrote: So I guess I should be the first one to ask: How will this affect the GPL and Open Sourceness of the USRP project? More specifically, I see the pdfs of the schematics [1], but is there location to pull the .sch and .pcb files (or proprietary format equivalents) from? I checked the gnuradio src tree [2], no luck... The intent behind my question was that I assumed the files were out there and I just couldn't find them. I saw this [1] a few weeks ago, and thought a more application specific SDR might be an appropriate solution. Especially since Harald raised concern with finding a GSM chip where you can still find the parts on the market, but which still has sufficient leaked documentation that you can write an open source driver for it. My thought was to avoid the GSM chip, and implement an SDR in an FPGA. Since building an Open Source GSM phone board would be new territory for me, I thought I might be able to stand on shoulders and learn from existing designs. My gEDA/PCB work to date has been rudimentary at best and hasn't been concerned with RF. So, I need all the help I can get. Anyway, that's why I was asking. thx, Jason. [1] http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2010/01/07/#20100107-gsm_devel_board-planning ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio
