Re: SimpleAgenda 0.45

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 06:37:24PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> After a long long while here is a new release of SimpleAgenda. You can
> grab it here : 
> 
> https://github.com/poroussel/simpleagenda/releases/tag/v0.45

And a link to the source code itself : 

https://github.com/poroussel/simpleagenda/archive/refs/tags/v0.45.tar.gz

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SimpleAgenda 0.45

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

After a long long while here is a new release of SimpleAgenda. You can
grab it here : 

https://github.com/poroussel/simpleagenda/releases/tag/v0.45

>From the NEWS file :

version 0.45 (2021/10/10)
* Migrate testsuite from ObjcUnit to the GNUstep Test Framework
  patch from Yavor Doganov
* Add Due Date column in the task view as suggested by Xylemon
* Handle calendar resource type when looking for CalDAV directories
  (fixes GitHub issue #4)
* Advertise iCal v2
* Update configure to work with clang
* Add support for GroupDAV well-known URL scheme, thanks to
  Graham Lee and Steven R. Baker
* Handle login and password cleanly in GroupDAV creation dialog
  Graham Lee and Steven R. Baker


Thank you to the contributors. If you want a small change or new
feature, please clone, code and send a pull request !

Philippe
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SimpleAgenda needs a maintainer

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

As some of you may have noticed I haven't been really acrive in the
GNUstep world lately, for a variety of reasons.

I recently received a bug report for SimpleAgenda and started to
investigate it but I can't find the time or energy to finish the work.
If you're interested in keeping this software alive please get in
touch so that we can find a way to make this work.

Have fun,
Philippe
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Re: SimpleAgenda on FreeBSD

[Philippe Roussel]

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 11:54:39AM +0200, Edwin Ancaer wrote:
> Sorry for the wrong screenshot. Apparently no recall in Gmail.  Here is the
> correct one:

Could you send me your GNUstep configuration (fonts, font sizes etc)
and tell what backend is in use ?

Thanks,
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Re: SimpleAgenda on FreeBSD

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 10:58:59PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2018-07-12 10:09:04 + Ivan Vučica  wrote:
> 
> > Did this help?
> > 
> > If not, a hacky thing I would do is, I would try:
> >   CFLAGS="-isystem /usr/local/include" ./configure
> > instead.
> > 
> > (Possibly also CXXFLAGS, OBJCFLAGS, and set up a library search path
> > with -L/usr/local/lib in LDFLAGS as well.)
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:01 AM  wrote:
> 
> I just tried myself building SimpleAgenda on FreeBSD.
> 
> it states:
>   --with-ical-include=DIR include path for ical headers
>   --with-ical-library=DIR library path for ical libraries
> 
> but they do not work, I fixed the configure.ac script to properly work.
> Philippe, do you like it? please apply it!

If it fixes a bug I love it :o) And I'll trust you on autoconf stuff
as on many others.

I'll apply your patch and push out.

Thanks a lot,
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Re: GNUMail sources

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi

Le 19/05/2016 15:27, Steven R. Baker a écrit :



My first order of business is to get good replacements for AddressBook,
Calendar, and Mail from OS X. I am currently working on some UI
improvements to SimpleAgenda, and after that I'll focus on
CardDav/CalDav support. The only thing I'm missing from GNUmail is IMAP
IDLE support, which I'll have to figure out how to add to Pantomime, I
guess. And some form of Sieve filter management.


Please send me any improvement on SimpleAgenda you make or better yet, a 
merge request on
GitHub (https://github.com/poroussel/simpleagenda). I haven't worked on 
it for a long time but

any contribution will make me happy !

Thanks,
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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:48:14AM +0200, Michele Bert wrote:
> 
> What does 'apt-get upgrade' gives you ?
> >
> > Here you are:
>  The following packages have been kept back:
>   affiche.app agenda.app easydiff.app gnustep-back0.24-cairo
> gnustep-base-runtime gnustep-gpbs gnustep-gui-common gnustep-gui-runtime
> gorm.app
>   gworkspace.app laternamagica.app libdbuskit0 libgnustep-base-dev
> libgnustep-base1.24 libgnustep-corebase0 libgnustep-corebase0-dev
>   libgnustep-gui-dev libgnustep-gui0.24 libgnustep-performance0 libiconkit0
> libpopplerkit0 projectcenter.app systempreferences.app terminal.app
>   textedit.app vindaloo.app zipper.app
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   gnustep-back-common gnustep-back0.24 gnustep-base-common gnustep-common
> gnustep-make gworkspace-apps-wrappers libaddresses0 libobjcgs
>   libobjcgs-dev renaissance-doc
> 10 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded.

Ok, I guess there are dependencies problems... Sorry but I won't have
time to look into this or rebuild packages before long...

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:13:21PM +0200, Michele Bert wrote:
> 2015-10-11 21:30 GMT+02:00 Philippe Roussel :
> 
> > Well, 12.04 is getting really old... You could try the wheezy packages
> > at http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/wheezy/i386/ but I
> > have no idea if they will work or even install on your distro, the
> > problem being the age, not the debian/ubuntu differences. Let me know
> > the result if you try that.
> >
> 
> Here the output of apt-get dist-upgrade:
> 
> Following packages will be REMOVED:
>   affiche.app agenda.app easydiff.app gnustep-back0.24
> gnustep-back0.24-cairo gnustep-gpbs gnustep-gui-runtime gorm.app
> gworkspace.app
>   laternamagica.app libgnustep-gui-dev libgnustep-gui0.24 libiconkit0
> projectcenter.app systempreferences.app terminal.app textedit.app
> vindaloo.app
>   zipper.app
> Following packages will be kept at current version:
>   gnustep-base-runtime libdbuskit0 libgnustep-base-dev libgnustep-base1.24
> libgnustep-corebase0 libgnustep-corebase0-dev libgnustep-performance0
>   libpopplerkit0
> Following packagtes will be updated:
>   gnustep-back-common gnustep-base-common gnustep-common gnustep-gui-common
> gnustep-make gworkspace-apps-wrappers libaddresses0 libobjcgs
>   libobjcgs-dev renaissance-doc
> 10 updated, 0 installed, 19 to be removed and 8 not updated.
> 
> At this point I am not sure wether is better to proceed or not...

I would cancel this command :o)

What does 'apt-get upgrade' gives you ?

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Mick,

On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 09:56:25AM +0200, Michele Bert wrote:
> 2015-06-03 13:14 GMT+02:00 Philippe Roussel :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
> > and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
> > (called libobjcgs).
> 
> I would like to get some suggestion on how to manage my gnustep
> installation on Ubuntu 12.04 (i386). I notice (several months ago)
> that there aren't those packages any more, and I wander if there is a
> way to use one of the debian package set instead, or I have to switch
> to an svn/self compiled installation. I don't follow the list
> continuosly and I cant find in the archive any discussion about that.

Well, 12.04 is getting really old... You could try the wheezy packages
at http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/wheezy/i386/ but I
have no idea if they will work or even install on your distro, the
problem being the age, not the debian/ubuntu differences. Let me know
the result if you try that.

> In any case, I want to thank Philippe for the great work he has done,
> since it has been very usefull for me.

Glad to hear that, thanks for this positive feedback !

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 01:52:08PM +0200, Alessandro Sangiuliano wrote:
> Should not be a problem for Philippe to compile everything present
> in his private repo with  clang (gnustep and stepchat) and then
> package them making .deb packages and pushing them in the repo.

It just takes time and some cursing.

> The problem is that the packages inside the Philippe's repo can
> conflict with the official debian one, where packages still are
> built on gcc and the old runtime.
>
> I think, Philippe, you should write on the Debian mailing list,
> asking for the possibilities to build gnustep and related software
> with clang.

Sorry, I'm not that man. I'm not a debian developer, I don't follow
their mailing lists and I don't want to enter a debate about gcc
versus clang, I see no fun in that.

Honestly I don't even know why I'm building those packages. I don't
use them and I mostly stopped using GNUstep all together (for various
reasons), I'm not going to invest more time in this.

> My main system is wheeze, and I have all gnustep and related
> software built with clang3.3. Also, clang is present in the debian
> repos.
> 
> If I don't see and evolution inside the official debian repo, about
> gnustep, I think I'll go to write a rant on their mailing list due
> of a Debian user from years and years.

You should probably think about it twice before ranting. Yavor is
doing a great job packaging GNUstep, its librairies and applications
although there are probably less than 50 users. It's a boring job
without rewards.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 05:06:59PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 01:14:05PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
> > and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
> > (called libobjcgs).
> > 
> > Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.
> > 
> > Packages list (some may be missing):
> 
> I just pushed out netclasses, talksoup, corebase and batmon (which
> didn't build for one architecture, I have to investigate).

Fixed performance library, added sqlclient and mpdcon.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 09:25:28PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
> > you would like to add another package
> 
> StepChat
> 
> Like much of Etoile stuff, I understand that StepChat must be
> compiled with clang and requires a clang-compiled GNUstep, and I would
> like to see all this stuff in Debian someday (I am still in the
> process of working out how they may handle it without breaking the
> rest of their system).
> 
> This may be a dumb question, but would we be okay if Debian started
> compiling _all_ GNUstep packages with clang instead of gcc, or would
> we prefer if they had both clang and gcc packages?

I'd say you should talk to debian about that, I think no one here
would mind if everything still works.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 01:14:05PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
> and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
> (called libobjcgs).
> 
> Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.
> 
> Packages list (some may be missing):

I just pushed out netclasses, talksoup, corebase and batmon (which
didn't build for one architecture, I have to investigate).

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi,

On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 12:15:03PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> 
> Perhaps adding BatMon.app for laptop users could be useful.

Ok, I can try and see if it builds without problem.

> Did you have any troubles building or local patches to apply?

Not sure, I would have to check all packages.

I know PopplerKit doesn't compile with recent poppler lib so I
disabled it but maybe I haven't refreshed its sources correctly, I'll
take a look.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 11:15:41AM +, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> 
> The build currently breaks within gnustep-base. I have a patch from
> November for Source/Additions/GSObjCRuntime.m and Source/NSException.m, but
> it's hacky. Plus, I fear touching such low-level files. I'll eventually
> send this out for review, after I go once more through it, and after I
> rebase the patch on latest -base.

On recent distributions I had to remove the objc/ include folder
coming from gcc for gnustep-base to compile otherwise it correctly
found libobjc2 but used gcc's libobjc headers. I guess something could
be done on gnustep-base makefile but I didn't take the time to check.

What does your patch look like ?

Philippe

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 11:07:09AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 4 Jun 2015, at 08:51, Philippe Roussel  wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:11:21PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
> >> Oh, and my understanding is that Debian's gnustep-* packages are
> >> compiled using gcc. Am I wrong? If not, then how may this valuable set
> >> of packages compiled with clang be put into the main Debian
> >> repositories?   
> > 
> > You would have to wait for debian to switch to clang as official
> > compiler I think, and that could take a while :o)
> 
> Does Debian not have infrastructure for compiling some packages with
> different compilers?  What do they do about things like Sphinx that
> won’t build with a recent GCC?  

The truth is that I don't have a clue... They may have something like
that and it would be nice to know it. If someone have informations,
please share.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:11:21PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
> Oh, and my understanding is that Debian's gnustep-* packages are
> compiled using gcc. Am I wrong? If not, then how may this valuable set
> of packages compiled with clang be put into the main Debian
> repositories?   

You would have to wait for debian to switch to clang as official
compiler I think, and that could take a while :o)

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 09:36:16AM +0200, Alessandro Sangiuliano wrote:
> Hello, nice work!

Thanks !

> In the repo links you posted, I don’t see vindaloo and popplerkit, I just see 
> iconkit.

Yep, I had to disable those two for some architectures because of a
compilation error of popplerkit with recent versions of poppler.

> Do you used clang for the build process?

See below.

> > Il giorno 03/giu/2015, alle ore 13:14, Philippe Roussel 
> >  ha scritto:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
> > and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
> > (called libobjcgs).

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 05:09:38PM +1000, Svetlana A. Tkachenko wrote:
> Thanks. Would like to add netclasses and talksoup.

Will do if possible.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 03:15:16PM +, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> Do you have documentation/scripts for your build process?

I have some ugly scripts and a Makefile but the build itself is done
using pbuilder. I'm using source files checked out from the different
repositories with debian/ folders added, not source packages.

If you're interested I can send you the stuff I have but you've been
warned, it's ugly !

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Debian and Ubuntu packages - 2015/06/03

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

I updated packages for sid (amd64), trusty (amd64) and wheezy (i386
and amd64). Packages are built with the available clang and libobjc2
(called libobjcgs).

Please note that I haven't tested any of this yet.

Packages list (some may be missing):
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * gdl2
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for trusty amd64 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/trusty/amd64/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

Thanks,
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Re: GORM and NSCollectionView

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Fred,

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 04:09:46PM +0100, Fred Kiefer wrote:

[snip]

> Now the flickering is gone for me. I still have the other problem of
> corrupted subview display after extensive resize, but I wont be looking
> into that today. I just will commit my changes and you all should try to
> test them with different conditions, maybe even the OpenGL?

Things seems to work nicely on a local display (with the cairo
backend) but are not a lot better on a remote display over ssh. Try
resizing Gemas versus gedit for example, with a WM configured to
redraw the whole window when resizing. GNUstep applications are really
slow, as if way to many events were handled. Let me know if I can be
of any help to track this down if you think it's worth investigating.

Thanks,
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Re: GNUStep on Fedora 21

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 06:35:05AM -0700, jimse...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 7:18:15 AM UTC-4, Nerijus Baliunas wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT) jimse...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > > All installed OK, but.. NO GNUstep.sh   !
> > > 
> > > But it says it is installed !
> > 
> > You mean gnustep-make package?
> > 
> > > But ... if I type gnustep-make, it says "not found" !
> > > 
> > > How make sure it really is installed or do what to make it seen ?
> > 
> > rpm -q gnustep-make
> > 
> > BTW, GNUstep.sh is in /usr/lib64/GNUstep/Makefiles/GNUstep.sh or 
> > /usr/lib/GNUstep/Makefiles/GNUstep.sh
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Nerijus
> 
> Thanks !  It was HERE: BTW, GNUstep.sh is in 
> /usr/lib64/GNUstep/Makefiles/GNUstep.sh
> 
> I not finding it with "find" comment, as either user or root find not see it 
> but is there !!
> 
> Probably I'm using "find" wrong...I try   find ~/. -name GNUstep.sh   
> and it is not found.  Curious ??

Well, ~/ is your home directory so... Maybe you meant something like
find /usr -name GNUstep.sh ?

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Re: Ubuntu packages

[Philippe Roussel]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 04:43:30PM +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 3 November 2014 07:58, Philippe Roussel  wrote:
> > Yeah, I never found the energy to understand why my (stupid) build
> > system stopped working after a svn update on gnustep-core...
> >
> > I soon will have more free time so if there's interest I could work on
> > those packages again.
> >
> 
> 
> I am sorry to hear that, and I for one am definitely interested!
> 
> I would suggest that you only support the latest LTS release, though,
> to cut the workload a little.

I updated (but not tested) the packages for the following tuples :
amd64,wheezy i386,wheezy amd64,precise i386,precise. Things are
failing for trusty, I'll have to dig a bit.

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Re: Wondering if ~/GNUstep shouldn't be ~/.GNUstep (i.e. hidden..)

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 03:07:51PM -0600, Stefan wrote:
> 
> 
> On November 4, 2014 2:57:09 PM CST, Gregory Casamento 
>  wrote:
> >Stefan,
> >
> >If you look at the bug, part of the issue is that people who don't
> >know that the tool they are using utilizes GNUstep are upset because
> >it creates a "GNUstep" folder in the home directory.   I kind of agree
> >with this sentiment as I really don't like tools setting up
> >directories directly in my home directory either so I can see where
> >they're coming from.
> >
> >With respect to freedesktop, are you suggesting something akin to:
> >
> >~./config/GNUstep/...
> >
> >Is that what you have in mind?
> 
> No, I'm suggesting a more radical approach where only the defaults directory 
> would be moved to ~/.config and the rest of the structure, which will 
> normally not exist at all, be moved to ~/. In this case, it would look 
> something like:
> 
> GNUstep/Library/Defaults/ -> .config/
> GNUstep/Library/Libraries/ -> Library/Libraries/
> GNUstep/Applications/ -> Applications/
> Etc...
> 
> Most applications do not write anything but defaults to the home directory, 
> so the only directory they would use is .config.
> 
> Does GNUstep apps normally write anything else to the home directory? I don't 
> think so, and that's the assumption I'm moving forward with.

Well, on my setup I have lots of stuff in ~/GNUstep/Library/.

SimpleAgenda writes its local data in ~/GNUstep/Library/SimpleAgenda/
for example and Addresses does the same thing in ~/G/L/Addresses/ etc.
Where would this stuff go ?

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Re: Ubuntu packages

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi,

On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 04:34:59PM +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
> I see that Ivan Vučica has made some Ubuntu packages of the core
> system, but Philippe, are you still building your Ubuntu/Debian
> GNUstep packages as well? I see no updates for a long time -- about a
> year ago. :¬(

Yeah, I never found the energy to understand why my (stupid) build
system stopped working after a svn update on gnustep-core...

I soon will have more free time so if there's interest I could work on
those packages again.

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Re: NSOperationQueue - Killed after 40 seconds

[Philippe Roussel]

[gnustep-discuss back on cc]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 03:40:07AM +, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> On 22.03.2014. 17:23, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 05:17:55PM +0100, Matthias Rudolph wrote:
> >> @interface ValueRow : NSObject {
> >> int value[500];
> >> }
> > Each ValueRow uses 500 * 4 bytes on the stack ?? 
> It is my understanding that, being dynamically allocated, any
> Objective-C object is actually held on the heap and not on the stack.
> Were this a local variable, then yes, this would end up on a stack. As
> is, it ends up elsewhere and is less critical.

Ooops, you're right of course, those arrays are dynamically allocated
with ValueRow objects...

> That said, as Philippe mentioned, cca 20MB allocated in this way is
> worrying by itself, so consider allocating memory as-needed (unless
> there is a very good reason why he believes the memory should be
> allocated in ~20MB chunks).
> 
> I'd also advise looking for why the memory is not freed as soon as
> possible (because it's worth striving for memory to be freed as soon as
> realistically possible). While autorelease pools are, in most cases, an
> excellent piece of magic, it may be worth exploring surrounding critical
> parts of code with NSAutoreleasePool * pool = [NSAutoreleasePool new];
> and [pool drain]; (or release, as appropriate). (And if you're willing
> to use new language features, there's @autorelease {}.)
> 
> Just because something magically works on OS X does not mean it is
> necessarily correct. Without ability to peek into your code, I can only
> guess that there may be an assumption that something will not be
> retained by the framework, in a situation where GNUstep reserves the
> right to do so and perhaps autoreleases an object. If GNUstep does
> retain something, then autoreleases the parent object, manual creation
> of an autorelease pool might help.
> 
> --
> Ivan
> 

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Re: NSOperationQueue - Killed after 40 seconds

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi,

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 05:17:55PM +0100, Matthias Rudolph wrote:
> Hi Ivan, hi Matt,
> thanks for your responses.
> 
> It seems it is an memory allocation problem. dmsg: Out Of Memory. Thanks for 
> the hint  ;-)
> 
> My class:
> 
> @interface ValueRow : NSObject {
> int value[500];
> }

Each ValueRow uses 500 * 4 bytes on the stack ?? There's something
wrong here, you should probably use dynamic allocation and reduce
needed memory a lot if you want to allocate hundreds of ValueRow.

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Re: Up-to-date GNUStep core now available as Debian/Ubuntu packages

[Philippe Roussel]

On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 01:05:06PM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> 
> Given the resounding silence from Gregory, Richard and Adam, one can
> probably forget about moving such an effort to one of the FSF servers,
> so this one is very welcome. Not only for building the packages, also
> for making sure this can be done remotely in a comfortable fashion.
> 
> Bandwidth isn't much of an issue, the biggest package so far is -base
> with about 5MB upload.

Great. The machine is running ubuntu 12.04 64 bits if it matters.

> > Are you interested in the debian/ directories of the packages I built
> > ? Here's the list : 
> 
> Looks impressive! Can I invite you to join packaging? Then you can apply
> them yourselfs with not more effort than sending them to me.

Recently I haven't had time to work on the packages so I can't promise
anything but I'll be glad to help where/when I can.

> How did you solve the conflict between Debian packagers naming their
> second instance of the libobjc package for gcc "libobjc2" and the
> like-named, real libobjc2?

I just called libojc2's package libojcgs, not a great name but it does
the job. I recently configured it to replace libobjc{234} so that old
packages are removed.

Note : I tried to update the packages last week and faced a problem I
haven't solved : all frameworks fail to link because libobj2 isn't
listed. I'll try to take a look tonight.

> What about ABI compatibility? Is this an issue? I see Donovan and Gürkan
> named the packages for -base and -gui with a version number, like
> "gnustep-gui0.24" This way one can install both, gnustep-gui0.22 and
> gnustep-gui0.24, in parallel. Is this neccessary? Does it even work to
> run two installations of GNUstep in parallel? For now I removed this
> version number in the package name, not sure wether this was a good idea.

I kept debian version numbering but I don't really see the point. I
guess removing the version number from the package name is a good move.

> I hope I can soon use clang and libobjc2 for their non-fragile ABI. Do
> these need a differently named package for parallel installation? I
> guess not, because non-fragile claims to be compatible with fragile, but
> I'm not sure.

Sorry, no idea here. I had a lot of trouble compiling anything when 2
libobjc where present on a system, event if it's supposed to work so I
chose the safe and easy way : install only one :o)

Let me work a bit on my stuff and I'll send you what I have working.
You can send me a ssh key so I can configure ssh access.

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Re: Up-to-date GNUStep core now available as Debian/Ubuntu packages

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Markus

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 02:13:56PM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> 
> On which host could I do this? For myself I have only a commodity PC
> available which is turned off when I'm on vacation or at sleep. Updating
> the packages is about 15 minutes of CPU time per update, minimum space
> requirement about 250 MB. Doing the actual build is not part of the
> update process, that's done on the Launchpad servers.

If all you need is some disk space and cpu, I could give you ssh
access on the machine I use(d) to build debian packages. It's behind a
dsl line so with limited upload bandwith but it should suffice.

Are you interested in the debian/ directories of the packages I built
? Here's the list : 

libobjc2
gnustep-make
gnustep-base
gnustep-gui
gnustep-back
renaissance
terminal
zipper
waiho
textedit
affiche
systempreferences
examples
gworkspace
addresses
pantomime
gnumail
laternamagica
easydiff
edenmath
poe
lusernet
notebook
popplerkit
iconkit
vindaloo
helpviewer
cynthiune
projectcenter
gorm
dbuskit
agenda
fisicalab
corebase
opal
quartzcore
performance
rsskit
grr
price
gdl2
netclasses
talksoup

 
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Re: gnustep on wheezy

[Philippe Roussel]

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 06:26:01PM +, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> I specifically recommended the curses UI instead of just using CLI, because
> you can then play with scenarios that will resolve the conflicts/missing
> deps in a nicer UI.
> 
> Obviously libobjcgs, whatever that is, is missing, and there are multiple
> ways to resolve that. Try to use the graphical resolver in curses UI of
> aptitude to browse for possible resolutions. And if you can't, try to
> figure out where the packages are being pulled from, try to change versions
> that apt is trying to install (really easy with curses UI), etc.

libobjcgs is the name I gave to libobjc2's package as there already
are packages named libobjc2, libobjc3 etc on debian.

> Maybe Philippe's packages really have a problem, in which case he will
> highly appreciate if you could figure out what the problem is :-)

Well, yeah !

I already know of one (big) problem : they don't replace the packages
from the distribution while they should (different libobjc etc) so you
really have to clear your system from old gnustep stuff before
installing.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:34:45PM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> Am 30.11.2013 11:53, schrieb Philippe Roussel:
> > Well, it may take a while. On my build machine pbuilder (or some other
> > script it uses) doesn't recognize saucy as a distribution so I'll have
> > to update some stuff.
> > 
> > I would also like to limit the number of ubuntu versions I build
> > packages for so if saucy comes in, another one will go out.
> 
> What holds you back from using an Ubuntu PPA? There everything is
> compiled for you, in all available versions. Even the number of users
> should raise, as you're found when googling for "ubuntu gnustep".

I thought about it but as Ivan guessed I'm not building src debs which
are needed to use a ppa. One reason is that it took me a while to get
something working with pbuilder and I don't want to spend more time
becoming a debian packaging master. The other reason is that I have to
build the packages anyway to find breakages, add patches, remove
others etc. For example I tried to update the packages this morning
and found a build error in Gorm. I think it's easier and faster to
build and inspect on my local setup.

Anyway, if someone knows how to successfuly setup a ppa to build fresh
gnustep packages, please let me know when it's done, I would love to
get some free time back :o)

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 03:44:08PM +, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 30 November 2013 10:53, Philippe Roussel  wrote:
> > I would also like to limit the number of ubuntu versions I build
> > packages for so if saucy comes in, another one will go out.
> 
> Seriously, now that non-LTS versions only have 9mths, you only need to
> support 2 ever: $CURRENT and $LATEST-LTS.
> 
> For example, I would suggest that you drop Quantal and Raring and only
> offer Precise and Saucy now.

Good point. When I'll get saucy packages I'll drop non lts versions.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:46:28PM +, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 25 November 2013 16:59, Philippe Roussel  wrote:
> >
> > I'll try to update the packages this week.
> 
> May I ask if or when you're planning to build packages for Saucy
> (Ubuntu 13.10)? I just built a clean Ubuntu Server VM tonight to try
> these packages out, only to discover that you don't seem to have
> packages for the current release.

Well, it may take a while. On my build machine pbuilder (or some other
script it uses) doesn't recognize saucy as a distribution so I'll have
to update some stuff.

I would also like to limit the number of ubuntu versions I build
packages for so if saucy comes in, another one will go out.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 05:31:42PM +0100, Eric Brunel wrote:
> Ouch… My mistake… I thought the ending '/' was not significant, it
> looks like it is. With it, it's working, I could get your GWorkspace
> version instead of the old Ubuntu one, so I guess everything else
> will be working. That will teach me to read the man pages…
> 
> Sorry for the noise, and thanks a lot again!

No problem.

I'll try to update the packages this week.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 03:15:42PM +0100, Eric Brunel wrote:
> Hello again,
> 
> On 25 nov. 13, at 13:13, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> >I just did the following on quantal i386 :
> >
> >wget -qO - http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/GPG-PUBLIC-KEY |
> >sudo apt-key add -
> >
> >Than added
> >
> >deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/quantal/i386/ ./

Could I see your sources.list ?

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:50:42AM +0100, Eric Brunel wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Sorry to resurrect an old thread. I just tried to install some of
> the packages below on Quantal (XUbuntu flavour), and it seems it
> won't work. First, adding the given repository line to
> /etc/apt/sources.list ends up in an error (Malformed line in source
> list / The list of sources could not be read). So I had to change
> the line to:
> deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/quantal/i386 . .
> (It looks like Quantal needs 4 components on the line). But it still
> doesn't work: when I do an apt-get update, I get:
> 
> W: Failed to fetch 
> http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/quantal/i386/dists/././source/Sources
> 404  Not Found
> 
> W: Failed to fetch 
> http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/quantal/i386/dists/././binary-i386/Packages
> 404  Not Found

I just did the following on quantal i386 :

wget -qO - http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/GPG-PUBLIC-KEY | sudo apt-key 
add -

Than added 

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/quantal/i386/ ./

to /etc/apt/sources.list

and apt-get update worked.

The big problem remaining is that my packages don't replace ubuntu's
so you can have a mismatch on your machine.

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Re: Kickstarter was not successful... but it did help things...

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 06:11:04PM -0700, Eric Wasylishen wrote:
> Hi,
> We haven't packaged them for release yet, but in October I worked on
> the two Étoilé themes (designed by Jesse Ross) and they are now
> reasonably complete. I attached some screenshots, compare with the
> original mockup at:
> http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/23/camaelon_nesedah.png
> 
> If you want to try them out, check out the following subversion URL's:
> 
> svn co http://svn.gna.org/svn/etoile/trunk/Etoile/Themes/Narcissus.theme
> svn co http://svn.gna.org/svn/etoile/trunk/Etoile/Themes/Nesedah.theme
> 
> No compilation needed, place them in your ~/GNUstep/Themes/ directory
> and activate with "defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSTheme
> Nesedah.theme". They'll require the latest version of GNUstep gui from
> svn.

A big thank you for this work, both themes look nice, effective and
not too fancy, just what gnustep needs in my opinion.

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Re: Kickstarter was not successful... but it did help things...

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 05:40:57PM +, Slex Sangiuliano wrote:
> > Put screenshots of GNUstep looking 'sexier' on the website.  Make them more 
> > prominent than the existing theme by all means (eg. put them first and 
> > bigger).  To find out which works best (ie is most popular) we could have 
> > some sort of click-through or download counter.
> 
> I'm pretty sure sure that this one was proposed in the past:
> 
> http://www.cappuccino-project.org/aristo/showcase/

That does look nice. A theme offering this has my vote as the default
one for gnustep.

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Re: Ubuntu Precise 64 bits Packages

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On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:35:14PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> Hi Thiago,
> 
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 02:59:33PM -0200, Thiago F Macedo wrote:
> > I'm trying to install the packages from
> > http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/
> > But currently Precise do not have a candidate for 64 systems.
> > 
> > 
> > Any way to deliver them ? Or should I better setup from source?
> 
> Yeah, I just have to add precise amd64 back to my list and start the
> build process. I'll let you know when it's done.

Done.

Let me know if they work for you.

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Re: Ubuntu Precise 64 bits Packages

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Thiago,

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 02:59:33PM -0200, Thiago F Macedo wrote:
> I'm trying to install the packages from
> http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/
> But currently Precise do not have a candidate for 64 systems.
> 
> 
> Any way to deliver them ? Or should I better setup from source?

Yeah, I just have to add precise amd64 back to my list and start the
build process. I'll let you know when it's done.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

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On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 03:58:57PM +0100, Michele Bert wrote:
> 2013/11/8 Philippe Roussel 
> 
> > Done for i386
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> But if you want to lought: I cannot install it, because few (required)
> packages are classified by company firewall as 'Sport/Recreation', thus the
> download is blocked! :-D

Ok... I've never heard of this kind of filtering before. I guess there
is no limit to human imagination :o)

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

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On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:45:58PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 11:19:57AM +0100, Michele Bert wrote:
> > 2013/11/8 Philippe Roussel 
> > 
> > > Ubuntu 12.04 is precise so you can add something like the following
> > > (if on 32 bits) to apt sources.list.
> > >
> > > deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./
> > >
> > 
> > It does not exist. Directory listing of
> 
> Ooops, sorry, I removed precise from my list few weeks ago. I'm
> building the packages now, I'll let you know when it's done.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

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On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 11:19:57AM +0100, Michele Bert wrote:
> 2013/11/8 Philippe Roussel 
> 
> > Ubuntu 12.04 is precise so you can add something like the following
> > (if on 32 bits) to apt sources.list.
> >
> > deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./
> >
> 
> It does not exist. Directory listing of

Ooops, sorry, I removed precise from my list few weeks ago. I'm
building the packages now, I'll let you know when it's done.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

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Hi,

On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 08:38:46AM +0100, Michele Bert wrote:
> 2013/9/27 Philippe Roussel 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just updated some packages for
> >
> >   - wheezy (i386, amnd64)
> >   - precise (i386, amd64)
> >   - quantal (i386, amd64)
> >   - raring (amd64)
> >
> 
> Ok! Which package should I try with Ubuntu 12.04? Can you recall me where I
> can find them?

Ubuntu 12.04 is precise so you can add something like the following
(if on 32 bits) to apt sources.list.

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Note : if you've installed gnustep packages from ubuntu repository you
should remove them, it seems my packages aren't correctly replacing
them.

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Re: building on debian wheezy 7.0

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 05:17:04AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> On 03/11/13 Philippe Roussel said:
> 
> > What do you mean ? Can you start it and browse your files or not ?
> 
> I can look at them but I can't associate them with any useful applications. I
> think the multiple directories is confusing GWorkspace.

Not sure why you would say that ?

> > You might have multiple versions of gnustep installed. What packages
> > did you install from http://coyote.octets.fr/ ?
> 
> I did a apt-get dist-upgrade after adding the repository, hoping that it would
> upgrade my existing packages and thus uninstall the old ones. I guess it
> didn't uninstall all of the old ones.

Yeah, you probably have multiple versions of gnustep-base, gnustep-gui
etc. I'm not packaging ViewPDF, it has to come from your original
ubuntu repository.

That's probably a bug in my packages, installing them should force the
removal of the old ones.

What does 'dpkg-query -l libobjc*' give you ?

> > What does 'ldd /usr/lib/GNUstep/Applications/ViewPDF.app/ViewPDF' say ?
> 
> libPopplerKit.so.0 => not found

Yeah, I could have guessed that, the other lines could be interesting.

> Also note
> 
> msoulier@egor:~$ dpkg -L viewpdf.app

[snip]
 
> This one package contains files in both /usr/share/GNUstep and
> /usr/lib/GNUstep.

I don't think this is a problem, it's just the way debian packages
GNUstep.

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Re: building on debian wheezy 7.0

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi,

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 10:25:50PM -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> On 03/11/13 Riccardo Mottola said:
> 
> > >> Just add the corresponding repository. Something like:
> > >> 
> > >> deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/wheezy/i386/ ./
> 
> So, I've tried that, and while WindowMaker is working, GWorkspace is still
> pretty much useless.

What do you mean ? Can you start it and browse your files or not ?

> The only app in my tools inspector is Preview, which I uninstalled 'cause it
> didn't work. And if I click on a pdf I get
> 
> /usr/lib/GNUstep/Applications/ViewPDF.app/ViewPDF: error while loading shared
> libraries: libPopplerKit.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> directory

You might have multiple versions of gnustep installed. What packages
did you install from http://coyote.octets.fr/ ?

What does 'ldd /usr/lib/GNUstep/Applications/ViewPDF.app/ViewPDF' say ?

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Re: ANN: Graphos 0.5

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 08:52:54PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> >Hey, that might happen sooner that you think (even if I'm not a debian
> >packager) !
> Do you mean you might get your packages sponsored?

Nope, I meant I could add Graphos to the list of .deb I build, it
should be easy.

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Re: ANN: Graphos 0.5

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 02:46:21PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> Thanks for packaging guys, your work is very important! Many users
> discover us thorugh packages and complete and up-to-date packages
> just present us better! Our apps already lack some care, if people
> use old stuff, it makes them just worse.
> 
> I wonder when I will read that a Debian pakcager says
> "packaged" for Graphos... 

Hey, that might happen sooner that you think (even if I'm not a debian
packager) !

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi James,

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 04:01:38PM +1100, James Carthew wrote:
> I've had time now to install and use the Debian packages. Really
> impressed/happy with them. I'm trying to use GDL2, and am unable to locate
> the Palette for Gorm that integrates the database objects. Do you know
> where the palette plugin is located?

Looking at the debian changelog it seems the gorm palette was built as
an independent package, package which was disabled in a previous
version. I will try to get it back but don't hold your breath, my
todo list is only growing...

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 06:06:07PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote:
> 
> Wait ... I see my mistake. I added the i386 path of your repo while
> running an amd64 installation. Thus, the packages in the Ubuntu repo are
> preferred. Changed this and ... voilá, it works.

If you're on amd64 you could use raring packages instead of precise
ones, that would be closer to your distribution. Not sure it would
change anything but it seems logical.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:39:52PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote:
> > http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/GPG-PUBLIC-KEY
> 
> Thanks. Accordingly, the sequence to add your repo is as following:
> 
> - - -
> For example, for precise x86 you can add this line to sources.list, in
> Synaptic or in System Preferences -> Software & Updates -> Other
> Software -> Add...:
> 
>   deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./
> 
> Then run the following commands in a terminal:
> 
>   sudo true && \
> curl http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/GPG-PUBLIC-KEY | \
> sudo apt-key add -
>   sudo apt-get update
> - - -
> 
> Perhaps it's worth adding this to your release note.

Good point.

> Doing the above and attempting to install gnumail.app leads me to the
> following:
> 
> $ LANGUAGE=en  # You see? A terminal can translate on it's own :-)
> 
> $ sudo apt-get install gnumail.app
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  gnumail.app :
> Depends: addressmanager.app but it is not going to be installed
> Depends: gnustep-back0.22 (>= 0.22.0) but it is not going ...
> Depends: gnustep-base-runtime (>= 1.24.0) but it is not ...
> Depends: gnustep-gpbs (>= 0.22.0) but it is not going to be installed
> Depends: gnustep-gui-runtime (>= 0.22.0) but it is not ...
> Depends: libgnustep-base1.24 (>= 1.24.0) but it is not going ...
> Depends: libgnustep-gui0.22 (>= 0.22.0) but it is not going ...
> Depends: libpantomime1.2 (>= 1.2.0~pre3+snap20071004+dfsg) but ...
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
> 
> 
> Sorry for nagging so much, but I think it's important to get such
> details resolved. Typical distribution users don't expect to wrestle
> with Google and the command line for an hour or two, just to get a
> package installed.

Did you run 'sudo apt-get update' ?
What does 'apt-cache show gnumail.app' gives you ?

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 08:51:49PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote:
> Von: Philippe Roussel 
> Datum: 29. September 2013 16:22:36 GMT+02:00
> 
> > Everything is under the following url :
> > 
> > http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/
> > 
> > For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :
> > 
> > deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./
> 
> Doing exactly this gives me the following on Ubuntu 13.10 (saucy, but
> still using "precise" in the link):
> 
> W: GPG-Fehler: http://coyote.octets.fr ./ Release: Die folgenden
> Signaturen konnten nicht überprüft werden, weil ihr öffentlicher
> Schlüssel nicht verfügbar ist: NO_PUBKEY 49C314789AE41A0D
> 
> Translates (a reason to find localized CLIs a silly idea) roughly like:
> 
> W: GPG-Error: http://coyote.octets.fr ./ Release: The following
> signatures could not be verified, because there is no public key
> available: NO_PUBKEY 49C314789AE41A0D
> 
> There are solutions in the net, like this:
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/20725/gpg-error-the-following-signatures-couldnt-be-verified-because-the-public-key
> ... but this doesn't really solve the problem, as I guess your repo has
> no key on the ubuntu keyserver.

Nope but you can find my key at :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/GPG-PUBLIC-KEY

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 08:32:55PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> Hi Gabriel,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 11:56:28AM -0700, Gabriel Sulliger wrote:
> > Nice what you did. I love the goals of the Hurd, and with the latest
> > Debian Hurd 2013 release, I think that the Hurd is going better each
> > day. So you updated packages for i386 and AMD64 processors
> > architectures and what about trying to port GNUSTEP as the first Hurd
> > GUI? Because I heard that Gnome and KDE don't works. If GNUSTEP can
> > live upon the Hurd servers, it would be a big step done for the Hurd
> > project and a GNEWSTEP (;-P) in the GNUSTEP adventure.
> 
> Running GNUstep on the Hurd is a nice idea but not one I'm willing to
> work on, sorry. I'm already spending too much time on my computer to play
> with stuff that will probably never go anywhere.

Let me correct this : the Hurd is built around a lot of nice concepts
and could be a great platform for lots of stuff but I'm not an os
developer (ok, maybe one day !) and what I want is a system that
allows me to work everyday with my laptop.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Gabriel,

On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 11:56:28AM -0700, Gabriel Sulliger wrote:
> Nice what you did. I love the goals of the Hurd, and with the latest
> Debian Hurd 2013 release, I think that the Hurd is going better each
> day. So you updated packages for i386 and AMD64 processors
> architectures and what about trying to port GNUSTEP as the first Hurd
> GUI? Because I heard that Gnome and KDE don't works. If GNUSTEP can
> live upon the Hurd servers, it would be a big step done for the Hurd
> project and a GNEWSTEP (;-P) in the GNUSTEP adventure.

Running GNUstep on the Hurd is a nice idea but not one I'm willing to
work on, sorry. I'm already spending too much time on my computer to play
with stuff that will probably never go anywhere. We already have more
than functional free operating systems.

Anyway, that's only my opinion. If you want to work on this I'm sure
you will find support on this list (each functional platform is a
plus) so go for it :o)

Thanks,
Philippe

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 01:33:02AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> The first errors come I suppose from clang/libobjc2 . They shouldn't be
> fatal.
> 
> The latter instead show that the TalkSoup bundles did not load. They
> should be in Library/ApplicationSupport/TalkSoup
> 
> Philippe, does the package works for yourself?

I did try it on sid and the application started but I didn't go further.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi James,

On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 07:22:31AM +1000, James Carthew wrote:
> 2013-10-03 06:51:20.636 TalkSoup[10905] Could not load 'Ignore' from '()'
> 2013-10-03 06:51:20.636 TalkSoup[10905] Could not load 'MessageInTab' from
> '()'
> 2013-10-03 06:51:20.636 TalkSoup[10905] Could not load 'Colorizer' from '()'
> 
> GWorkspace and Gorm both run very well and are stable.

Could you try and update your packages ? The first TalkSoup package I
uploaded wasn't built correctly.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Ivan,

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 09:16:47PM +0200, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> Hi Philippe,
> 
> Did you document in some way how you produce the packages? Do you have some
> scripts to do so?

No documentation (yet), just a makefile using pbuilder and some ugly
scripts I'm afraid. Basically I just grab the debian/ folders (or
create new ones for stuff missing in debian) and apply them to fresh
sources from svn/cvs when it's possible. I sometimes have to apply or
remove patches, change version numbers to follow the changelogs etc.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 04:22:36PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
>
> Packages list :
>  * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
>  * gdl2
>  * easydiff
>  * edenmath
>  * pantomime
>  * gnumail
>  * gorm
>  * projectcenter
>  * gworkspace
>  * gnustep-examples
>  * laternamagica
>  * lusernet
>  * notebook
>  * poe
>  * terminal
>  * textedit
>  * systempreferences
>  * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
>  * waiho
>  * renaissance
>  * zipper
>  * helpviewer
>  * cynthiune
>  * dbuskit
>  * addressmanager
>  * agenda
>  * fisicalab
>  * corebase
>  * opal
>  * quartzcore
>  * performance
>  * rsskit
>  * grr
>  * price

Just added :

 * netclasses
 * talksoup
 
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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

[Philippe Roussel]

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:47:34PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote:
> 
> Am 27.09.2013 um 21:55 schrieb Philippe Roussel:
> 
> >I just updated some packages for
> >
> >  - wheezy (i386, amnd64)
> >  - precise (i386, amd64)
> >  - quantal (i386, amd64)
> >  - raring (amd64)
> 
> Excellent! Would you also care to tell the occasional observer where
> these packages can be found? Ideally in an Ubuntu PPA, or course.

Yeah, I probably should send the whole announcement each time, sorry
about that. Here it is.

---

Hi all,

I updated packages for precise and wheezy (for both i386 and amd64) and
for quantal and sid (amd64 only).

Packages list :
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * gdl2
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * corebase
 * opal
 * quartzcore
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

Thanks,
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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 09:55:31PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just updated some packages for 
> 
>   - wheezy (i386, amnd64)
>   - precise (i386, amd64)
>   - quantal (i386, amd64)
>   - raring (amd64)

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Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-09-27

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Hi,

I just updated some packages for 

  - wheezy (i386, amnd64)
  - precise (i386, amd64)
  - quantal (i386, amd64)
  - raring (amd64)
  
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Re: Themes (again)

[Philippe Roussel]

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 09:18:51PM +0200, Xavier Brochard wrote:
> On 2013-09-27 18:56:05 +0200 Philippe Roussel 
> >
> >Have you tried the packages I build from time to time ? There are
> >debian and ubuntu versions.
> 
> And it works well !
> But we are missing something to automatically setup the desktop. I
> would like to work on that.

I guess we could create a package that install a gnustep session in
(x|g|k)dm and a gnustep meta package that depends on all gnustep stuff
and windowmaker or something like that.

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Re: Themes (again)

[Philippe Roussel]

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 04:48:22PM +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
> 
> With modest work, it is possible to produce packages that will install
> on both Ubuntu and Debian - that would be best of all.

Have you tried the packages I build from time to time ? There are
debian and ubuntu versions.

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Re: display UTF-8 characters

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Hi,

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 04:00:11AM +0200, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> So if I see correctly, in SimpleAgenda month names are incorrectly
> decoded as if they were encoded in some singlebyte encoding? 

I'm using gnustep from svn with cairo backend and here's what I get
with SimpleAgenda. It looks like the date is correctly drawn.

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Re: display UTF-8 characters

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Hi,

On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 07:26:04PM +0300, Nerijus Baliunas wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 01:13:41 +0900 "Lee, Seong-Gu"  wrote:
> 
> > How about trying "export GNUSTEP_STRING_ENCODING=NSUTF8StringEncoding"
> > at bash or "setenv GNUSTEP_STRING_ENCODING NSUTF8StringEncoding" at csh?
> >  In my case (for not SimpleAgenda but GWorkspace), UTF-8 strings were
> > displayed well according with my language.
> 
> Tried it as well - didn't help.

I just tried this with export LANG=lt_LT.UTF-8 and some strings
appeared in lituanian in SimpleAgenda (days and months). Unfortunatly
I don't know how to enter lituanian characters with my setup.

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Re: Addresses not importing vcards files

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Sebastian,

On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 02:27:56PM +0200, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> while testing Addresses for a new release, I figured there are a couple of 
> problems.
> Riccardo suggested to forward them here, I'll separate them in different 
> threads.
> 
> First problem is that Addresses is unable for me to import vcards, even 
> vcards 
> it successfully exported.
> 
> I found that in Addresses/Frameworks/Addresses/ADConverter.m in 
> - (id) inputConverterWithFile: (NSString*) filename
> 
> http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gap/system-apps/Addresses/Frameworks/Addresses/ADConverter.m?revision=1.4&root=gap&view=markup
> 
> 
> its detecting the type of encoding of the file wrongly. With the patch 
> attached,
> it works for me. That moves the detection of ASCII encoding before UTF8 
> encoding.
> 
> Without the patch it would detect UTF-8 all the time, and then fail parsing 
> the vcard.
> On the other hand, I could just move the UTF-8 detection to the end.

I'm probably missing something here but shouldn't utf-8 works for
plain ascii files ?

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-08-21

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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 09:44:00PM +0200, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've pushed an update of some packages and added gdl2 back to the list.

FYI I added packages for ubuntu raring 64 bits.

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Hi all,

I've pushed an update of some packages and added gdl2 back to the list.

Packages list :
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * gdl2
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * corebase
 * opal
 * quartzcore
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-07-28

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi,

On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 08:55:37PM -0500, Austin Clow wrote:
> When I add the source on the latest Ubuntu, it warns that it is not working 
> due to non availability of a public key. I did enter "deb 
> http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./" as the source 
> and verified it. 
> 
> W:GPG error: http://coyote.octets.fr/ ./ Release: The following signature 
> could not be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 
> 
> What did I do wrong!

Nothing !

You just have to add my gpg key to apt's list of trusted keys. My
public key is available here :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/GPG-PUBLIC-KEY

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Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-08-14

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

I updated packages for quantal, precise and wheezy, for both i386 and
amd64. They're built with clang from their respective distributions and
with libobjc2 from svn.

I'm still having problems with raring and sid but for those interested
wheezy packages seem to work under sid.

Packages list :
 * libobjc2 (packaged as libobjcgs)
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * corebase
 * opal
 * quartzcore
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

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Re: Request for testers : wheezy packages built with clang and libobjc2

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Eric,

On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:36:00AM -0600, Eric Wasylishen wrote:
> Hi Philippe,
> I just tested these a bit on a fresh Debian Sid install.
> They worked great, I was able to build and run the test suite of a framework 
> I'm working on for Étoilé.

That's good to know, thanks a lot for testing.

In the next few weeks I'll try to build those packages for the
different arch/dist combos, maybe adding the latest debian and ubuntu
releases.

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Request for testers : wheezy packages built with clang and libobjc2

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

I just pushed out packages for debian wheezy 64 bits built with clang
and libobjc2 and I'd love to have some feedback.

Those packages replace the previous wheezy 64 bits gcc packages but
I'm not sure an apt-get upgrade will do the trick, you will probably
have to remove all gnustep packages you installed.

libobjc2 is packaged under the name libobjcgs to avoid conflicts with
other libobjc packages (libobjc2, libobjc3, libobjc4...).

I probably won't build packages with both gcc and clang. If this test
goes well and if I can build the same packages for other dist/arch
combos I'll probably continue only with clang. If you would like the
gcc packages to still exist, please tell me why !

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/wheezy/amd64/ ./

I'll be without internet access for a week starting tomorrow morning
but I'll try to answer any message when I'll get back.

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Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-07-28

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

I updated packages for precise and wheezy, for both i386 and amd64, and
for quantal amd64.

Packages list :
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price
 * corebase
 * opal
 * quartzcore

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

Thanks,
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Hi,

I updated gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages this
morning.

Philippe

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[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Ivan,

On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 02:37:26PM +0200, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> I'm interested in what broke with CoreBase/Opal/QuartzCore?

CoreBase compilation failed with the following message (I haven't
looked at it, I'm lazy...) and Opal and QuartzCore depend on
CoreBase.

Making all for library libgnustep-corebase...
cd .; \
/usr/share/GNUstep/Makefiles/mkinstalldirs 
./obj/libgnustep-corebase.obj/
gcc CFArray.c -c \
  -MMD -MP -DGNUSTEP -DGNUSTEP_BASE_LIBRARY=1 -DGNU_RUNTIME=1 
-DGNUSTEP_BASE_LIBRARY=1 -pthread -pthread -fPIC -Wall -DGSWARN -DGSDIAGNOSE 
-Wno-import -g -O2 -DBUILDING_SELF -I../Headers -I. 
-I/usr/local/include/GNUstep -I/usr/include/GNUstep \
   -o obj/libgnustep-corebase.obj/CFArray.c.o
In file included from ../Headers/CoreFoundation/CFBase.h:52:0,
 from ../Headers/CoreFoundation/CFRuntime.h:30,
 from CFArray.c:27:
/usr/include/GNUstep/GNUstepBase/GSVersionMacros.h:208:2: warning: #import is a 
deprecated GCC extension [-Wdeprecated]
In file included from CFArray.c:30:0:
../Headers/CoreFoundation/CFString.h:192:3: error: unknown type name 
'CFLocaleRef'
../Headers/CoreFoundation/CFString.h:457:51: error: unknown type name 
'CFLocaleRef'
../Headers/CoreFoundation/CFString.h:478:50: error: unknown type name 
'CFLocaleRef'
../Headers/CoreFoundation/CFString.h:502:50: error: unknown type name 
'CFLocaleRef'
In file included from CFArray.c:31:0:
GSPrivate.h:314:31: error: unknown type name 'CFLocaleRef'
make[5]: *** [obj/libgnustep-corebase.obj/CFArray.c.o] Error 1


> Also, did you post information on how you produce these packages? I
> recommend them whenever someone asks, but it'd be more fun to have
> them include clang and libobjc2, and be built with clang/libobjc2; so
> if I go about packaging like that, it'd be helpful if I did not have
> to start from scratch :-)

Yeah, I should document this someday but it's still quite ugly.

Basically, I took the debian/ folders of existing packages and put
them in my (svn|cvs) checkouts when I could and built some debian/
folders from scratch. Building is done with pbuilder and some
scripting. I still have to take a look at deb-o-matic to see if it
could serve my purpose.

I'd like to provide packages based on libobjc2 and clang but I'm not
sure how. clang is a fast moving target and I would probably need to
package its latest version to offer all functionalities. When I have
some time...

Off topic : clang is probably a great compiler, offering vastly superior
functionalities that everyone should use in their projects unless they
want to be publicly mocked and all that, but gnustep still supports
gcc AFAIK

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-07-07

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi,

On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 09:42:00AM +0200, Lundberg, Johannes wrote:
> Hi Philippe
> 
> Good job!

Thanks !

> Does this package support Obj-C 2 features like properties and blocks?

Packages are compiled with gcc and gcc's libobjc so objective-c 2
support is limited. I *think* the latest verions support properties
but I might be wrong.

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Hi all,

I updated packages for precise and wheezy, for both i386 and amd64, and
for quantal amd64.

This time I had to remove gdl2, corebase, opal and quartzcore from the
list because of problems compiling with gcc.

Packages list :
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-04-10

[Philippe Roussel]

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:32:10PM +1000, Mark Aufflick wrote:
> It seems not. I can make a new ProjectCenter project, but when I try
> to build it, the build window just says "waiting" and nothing
> happens. Any tips? Or should I not be trying to use these packages
> for development?

Try compiling with 'make messages=yes' in a shell and send the output.

Do you have gcc installed ?

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Hi Mark,

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:49:01AM +1000, Mark Aufflick wrote:
> Hi Philippe,
> 
> This is great - I have GNUmail up and running super easy with your
> packages. I notice there are -dev packages and I'm hoping these can
> help me avoid the tricky compile process (although I can't avoid it
> forever since I may well wan to hack Foundation etc). I notice there
> are no clang or libobjc2 etc. packages so are you depending on those
> packages from Ubuntu/Debian? Can I install the Ubuntu 12.04 clang
> package and expect it to work?

Not sure I understand. Those packages are built with gcc and gcc's
libobjc and don't depend in any way on clang nor libobjc2. You should
be able to install clang without side effects.

I would like to package libobjc2 and depend on it but never found the
time overcome the differents problems I encountered when I tried.

Compiling with clang is tempting but it seems people in the clang camp
are moving too fast : I can't compike dbuskit with clang 3.0 from
ubuntu 12.10 for example.

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[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

I updated packages for precise and wheezy, for both i386 and amd64,
and for quantal amd64 (some packages may be missing for a
specific distribution/architecture combo).

Packages list :
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * gdl2
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * corebase
 * opal
 * quartzcore
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price
 
Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

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Re: Problem with SimpleAgenda on new GNUstep

[Philippe Roussel]

On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 06:38:08PM -0800, Luis Garcia Alanis wrote:
> yes I meant that :) but gmail miss behaved :)
> 
> Don't know how to use gdb yet :(

Before that, check that you're using the latest svn revision of
gnustep gui, to be sure you have Fred's bugfix.

> how do you break on gdb? and how do I see the callstack? do I need to look
> on a specific thread?

Something like :

gdb SimpleAgenda
run
(wait until it 'hungs')
ctrl+c
bt

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Re: Problem with SimpleAgenda on new GNUstep

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On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 01:34:50PM -0800, Luis Garcia Alanis wrote:
> Tried the latest svn and it still hang on the latest GNUstep thunk 64bit.
> With clang and libobjc2.
> 
> svn://coyote.octets.fr/**gnustep/SimpleAgenda/trunk
> 
> 
> Am I looking in the right place?

If you meant svn://coyote.octets.fr/gnustep/SimpleAgenda/trunk then yes.

Could you run SimpleAgenda under gdb and try to understand where does
it hang ?

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On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 11:35:30PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> > I decided that this was caused by some wired rounding error between
> > CGFloat and float, where the float value was bigger than the
> > corresponding CGFloat value. So I changed the floats in the
> > typesetter code to CGFloat and now it works for me. I will write a
> > ChangeLog entry and commit.
> 
> Great, I'll test that tomorrow.

Bug fixed, thanks Fred !
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[Philippe Roussel]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 11:14:27PM +0100, Fred Kiefer wrote:
> 
> Looks like we are doing the same debugging in parallel :-)

Well, I was just looking around, you did the debugging !

> I decided that this was caused by some wired rounding error between
> CGFloat and float, where the float value was bigger than the
> corresponding CGFloat value. So I changed the floats in the
> typesetter code to CGFloat and now it works for me. I will write a
> ChangeLog entry and commit.

Great, I'll test that tomorrow.

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Re: Problem with SimpleAgenda on new GNUstep

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On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 07:22:57AM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:06:03PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 08:51:32PM +, Richard Stonehouse wrote:
> > > >Is this on 64 bits ?
> > > 
> > > Yes; I haven't built the new GNUstep on 32-bit yet. I'll  try to get
> > > that done tonight.
> > > 
> > > >Which libobjc and compiler ?
> > > 
> > > GCC 4.7 with libobjc1, from the openSUSE 12.2 release.
> > 
> > Thanks. I'll try to reproduce this setup but it could take some time.
> 
> Problem reproduced, now I have to understand and fix it.

It is stuck in an infinite loop in GSHorizontalTypesetter.m, method
-layoutLineNewParagraph: near line 670 but I don't know why.

if (NSIsEmptyRect(rect)) is always true so it breaks out of the while
loop and then reach goto restart on line 695 and starts a new loop.

Any ideas ?

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On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:06:03PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 08:51:32PM +, Richard Stonehouse wrote:
> > >Is this on 64 bits ?
> > 
> > Yes; I haven't built the new GNUstep on 32-bit yet. I'll  try to get
> > that done tonight.
> > 
> > >Which libobjc and compiler ?
> > 
> > GCC 4.7 with libobjc1, from the openSUSE 12.2 release.
> 
> Thanks. I'll try to reproduce this setup but it could take some time.

Problem reproduced, now I have to understand and fix it.

Thanks a lot,
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Re: Problem with SimpleAgenda on new GNUstep

[Philippe Roussel]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 01:01:44AM +, Richard Stonehouse wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:06:03PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 08:51:32PM +, Richard Stonehouse wrote:
> >>>Is this on 64 bits ?
> >>
> >>Yes; I haven't built the new GNUstep on 32-bit yet. I'll  try to get
> >>that done tonight.
> 
> I have now done that and found thatSimpleAgenda 0.43, built from the
> tarball, behaves as expected on 32-bit with new GNUstep.

Ok, thanks for the info.

> Also, following Fred's suggestion, I took the latest SVN (rev 1093)
> from svn://coyote.octets.fr/gnustep/SimpleAgenda/trunk and built it
> for my 64-bit system. This seems to give the CPU loop on startup,
> just like the tarball version. Looking at the source, so far as I
> can
> see the only reference to 'NSNotFound' is in DayView.m, and 'index' is
> defined as a NSUInteger in both the tarball and SVN versions; there
> are some changes in the vicinity but this type has not changed. So I
> wonder whether I picked up the right SVN version, or is there a more
> recent one somewhere?

Nope, you have the most recent. I haven't worked on SimpleAgenda
lately, except for fixing warnings and stuff like that.

> >>>Which libobjc and compiler ?
> >>
> >>GCC 4.7 with libobjc1, from the openSUSE 12.2 release.
> >
> >Thanks. I'll try to reproduce this setup but it could take some time.
> 
> Let me know if there are any tests I can do here.

Do you have calendars setup that are being read on startup, and if yes
of what kind ?

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On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 08:51:32PM +, Richard Stonehouse wrote:
> >Is this on 64 bits ?
> 
> Yes; I haven't built the new GNUstep on 32-bit yet. I'll  try to get
> that done tonight.
> 
> >Which libobjc and compiler ?
> 
> GCC 4.7 with libobjc1, from the openSUSE 12.2 release.

Thanks. I'll try to reproduce this setup but it could take some time.

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Re: Problem with SimpleAgenda on new GNUstep

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Hi Richard,

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 05:51:54PM +, Richard Stonehouse wrote:
> When I try to run SimpleAgenda under the latest GNUstep core
> libraries, it immediately goes into a solid CPU loop which can only
> be got out of by killing SimpleAgenda.
> 
> This did not occur under the previous versions of GNUstep.
> 
> Is this a known problem? Does anyone else see it?
> 
> Is there any further information that would be useful?

Is this on 64 bits ?

Which libobjc and compiler ?

Thanks,
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Re: Submenus take 1 second to appear

[Philippe Roussel]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:50:24PM +0100, Fred Kiefer wrote:
> On 26.02.2013 22:07, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> >On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 01:28:31PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> >>It probably is specific to kwin, I've only been using this window
> >>manager for a few days and never saw this effect before. I'll try with
> >>another wm and report back.
> >
> >Menus work fine under unity so GNUstep/kwin seems to be a bad
> >combination.
> 
> I don't think that kwin is the issue here. I am using kwin as my
> main window manager myself. (For no particular reason, KDE is just
> the best supported environment on OpenSuse)
> And if I would notice such a delay on my system, I would work hard
> to fix it.

My hard drived so I had to rebuilt everything from scratch under a
fresh install of kubuntu and now menus work normally...

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Re: Submenus take 1 second to appear

[Philippe Roussel]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 01:28:31PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> It probably is specific to kwin, I've only been using this window
> manager for a few days and never saw this effect before. I'll try with
> another wm and report back.

Menus work fine under unity so GNUstep/kwin seems to be a bad
combination.

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Re: Submenus take 1 second to appear

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Riccardo

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 01:12:45PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> Hi Philippe,
> 
> Philippe Roussel wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I just updated gnustep core to latest svn and when I click on a menu
> >entry in any application the submenu takes like 1 second to appear.
> >
> >I'm not sure this is a new behaviour, I haven't run GNUstep apps
> >recently. I using kwin as my window manager.
> >
> >Anyone else seeing this ?
> >
> I just rebuilt allo core from SVN and am rebuilding all apps clean
> to do a last check before release of base&gui. On
> FreeBSD/gcc/windowmaker I see no problems with standard submenus.

It probably is specific to kwin, I've only been using this window
manager for a few days and never saw this effect before. I'll try with
another wm and report back.

Thanks,
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Submenus take 1 second to appear

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

I just updated gnustep core to latest svn and when I click on a menu
entry in any application the submenu takes like 1 second to appear.

I'm not sure this is a new behaviour, I haven't run GNUstep apps
recently. I using kwin as my window manager.

Anyone else seeing this ?

Philippe
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Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-02-20

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

I updated packages for precise and wheezy, for both i386 and amd64, and
for quantal amd64 with the latest sources I could find (svn trunk etc).

I haven't had time to work on the packages themselves or to test them
so problems that existed on the previous release are probably still
present.

Note : some packages may not be present for a specific distrib/arch
combo

Packages list :
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * gdl2
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * corebase
 * opal
 * quartzcore
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Philippe
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Re: Strange behaviour regarding miniaturization and menus

[Philippe Roussel]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 11:39:27AM +0100, Andreas Schik wrote:
> Hello Phillipe,
> > Could you update GNUstep packages and try again ? There have been a
> > lot of commits in gnustep/core/* recently and I rebuilt core packages
> > few days ago.
> 
> Ok, I'll try that. One question, though. The Ubuntu updater complains
> about the missing key for repository authentication and refuses to
> continue. Is it possible that you provide one or did I simply miss it?
> Apart from that I'm glad that you provide the packages. Thanks for that.

You can grab my public key here :
http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/GPG-PUBLIC-KEY

Thanks,
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Re: Strange behaviour regarding miniaturization and menus

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Andreas,

On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 10:25:20AM +0100, Andreas Schik wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am on Ubuntu 12.04 and XFCE and am using gsim to handle app icons and
> mini windows. This setup works really fine so far. Since a
> couple of days, however, I am experiencing strange problems.
> I used to take GNustep from SVN, but to simplify life (?) I am now
> using the GNUstep libraries from Philippe Roussel's repositories,
> installed about 3 weeks ago.

Could you update GNUstep packages and try again ? There have been a
lot of commits in gnustep/core/* recently and I rebuilt core packages
few days ago.

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Re: Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-01-25

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi Ivan,

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 08:35:59PM +0100, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> 
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Matt Rice  wrote:
> 
> > most likely you just need to add -lcairo to hello_opal,
> > there has been a change in behavior of gnu ld such that something that
> > references a library
> > must link to it explicitly, regardless whether something has linked to
> > it already.
> >
> > http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10238
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChangeInImplicitDSOLinking
> >
> > most likely your distribution has this newer ld, while his does not.
> >
> 
> Thanks for the tip! It's an interesting change. Sadly, I already do
> explicitly link with Cairo. Relevant line from the GNUmakefile for the
> Tests/ folder:
> ADDITIONAL_LDFLAGS += $(shell pkg-config --libs cairo)
> 
> Just to be safe...
> ivucica@ivucica-MacBook:~/gnustep-quartzcore-hgsvn/Tests$ pkg-config --libs
> cairo
> -lcairo
> 
> Which LD do I have?
> ivucica@ivucica-MacBook:~/gnustep-quartzcore-hgsvn/Tests$ ld -v
> GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.22
> 
> Also, we should be having the same distribution considering this is a build
> for Precise, and I'm testing on Precise (12.04). :-)
> 
> Also, just to note: considering that this is the machine I worked on to
> write the software, something is broken either in my system, or in the
> packages. I believe it's in my system, but would love to verify. So if
> Philippe could just try running the demos on his machine, that'd be enough
> for me.

I did have linking problems on some packages but I don't remember the
details, linking problems are common with GNUstep... I will test these
packages but you'll have to be patient. I usually only test on wheezy
64 bits so I will have to setup a vm for precise (don't want to mess
up the real one !). 

Are you using the 32 bits version ?

> If it is my local problem and I can't figure out what's wrong, I guess I'll
> simply fix things the Windows way: reinstall. :-)

This should remain the last option, useful to frighten the kids !

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Ubuntu and Debian packages / 2013-01-25

[Philippe Roussel]

Hi all,

I updated packages for precise and wheezy, for both i386 and amd64, and
for quantal amd64.

Note : some packages may be missing for a distribution/architecture
combo, for example when an api change breaks the compilation.

Packages list :
 * gnustep-{make,base,gui,back} and related dev packages
 * gdl2
 * easydiff
 * edenmath
 * pantomime
 * gnumail
 * gorm
 * projectcenter
 * gworkspace
 * gnustep-examples
 * laternamagica
 * lusernet
 * notebook
 * poe
 * terminal
 * textedit
 * systempreferences
 * vindaloo (with iconkit and popplerkit from Etoile)
 * waiho
 * renaissance
 * zipper
 * helpviewer
 * cynthiune
 * dbuskit
 * addressmanager
 * agenda
 * fisicalab
 * corebase
 * opal
 * quartzcore
 * performance
 * rsskit
 * grr
 * price

Everything is under the following url :

http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/

For example, for precise x86 you can add to sources.list :

deb http://coyote.octets.fr/pub/gnustep/packages/precise/i386/ ./

Please let me know if you find this useful, if a package is broken, if
you would like to add another package to the list etc.

Thanks,
Philippe
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Re: GWorkspace segfaults

[Philippe Roussel]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 08:33:05PM +0100, Philippe Roussel wrote:
> 
> GWorkspace from svn is available for wheezy but you will have to
> update all GNUstep packages with mine I'm afraid. Take a look here :

By the way, I just updated GWorkspace package with your latest fixes
(and added PRICE to the list).

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