Re: [ACFUG Discuss] SOT: Do you know any local designers?
Try Gillian and Aaron Norrie at Garcan Design. I've worked with both of them in the past and have nothing but good things to say about them. They're local, drop Gillian a line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1/9/07, jonese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone else? -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] SOT: Do you know any local designers?
I can co-sign on Garcan, I've used them on an interface design and they did an excellent job. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Fore Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:53 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] SOT: Do you know any local designers? Try Gillian and Aaron Norrie at Garcan Design. I've worked with both of them in the past and have nothing but good things to say about them. They're local, drop Gillian a line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1/9/07, jonese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone else? -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
[ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
Database Design For Mere Mortals Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/2007 09:45 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
Amen! On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Database Design For Mere Mortals -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
Absolutely! On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Database Design For Mere Mortals Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 *Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/2007 09:45 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com http://motorcyclecarbs.com/, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
MySQL Crash Course (Sams Teach Yourself in 10 Minutes) by Ben Forta On 1/12/07, Precia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely! On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Database Design For Mere Mortals Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 *Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/2007 09:45 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com http://motorcyclecarbs.com/, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
Shawn, and others: Thanks, your unanimous agreement cinches it as the next book after finishing the WACK 3 months from now. I remember Shawn sharing that this was the book in the past but I forgot the name. I am now ready to buy. Dean: Thanks for the additional words. I will also get SQL for Smarties by Joe Celko also. I know I will need to build scripts etc in due time and such. This seems that it will be a good primer for that. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:57 AM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Ditto. Eventually reach guru status by reading SQL for Smarties by Joe Celko. Its not about design but about how to use the DB and SQL. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. --Einstein On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Database Design For Mere Mortals Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/2007 09:45 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
My copy is on loan somewhere or I'd offer it. I've got more programming books than God and would be totally willing to put them in a loaner program. Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/2007 10:22 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Robert, I'll echo Shawn and the other's sentiments on the Mere Mortals book. As for the ACFUG library, there is no real one. I will say I've been meaning to create a virtual one (where people post the books they have and members can borrow from each other by way of bringing desired or returned books to the meeting, with email notifications to track it all and using the Amazon web service to ease data entry), and I have renewed interest in that for other reasons, so look for that soon. That said, does anyone have a copy of that book to lend to Robert at the next meeting (or the Flex meeting on Wed, if you both would be going)? /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:46 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
I recommend Safari Books Online. For $19/mon you can check out 10 books out at a time. For $40/mon, you get unlimited access. www.safaribooksonline.com The books are virtual and you read them online. I have several friends using it and it saves them a lot of money when they jsut want to read certain chapters of certain books. Teddy On 1/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, I'll echo Shawn and the other's sentiments on the Mere Mortals book. As for the ACFUG library, there is no real one. I will say I've been meaning to create a virtual one (where people post the books they have and members can borrow from each other by way of bringing desired or returned books to the meeting, with email notifications to track it all and using the Amazon web service to ease data entry), and I have renewed interest in that for other reasons, so look for that soon. That said, does anyone have a copy of that book to lend to Robert at the next meeting (or the Flex meeting on Wed, if you both would be going)? /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:46 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
By the way, the ..Mere Mortals book is in their library. Teddy On 1/12/07, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend Safari Books Online. For $19/mon you can check out 10 books out at a time. For $40/mon, you get unlimited access. www.safaribooksonline.com The books are virtual and you read them online. I have several friends using it and it saves them a lot of money when they jsut want to read certain chapters of certain books. Teddy On 1/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, I'll echo Shawn and the other's sentiments on the Mere Mortals book. As for the ACFUG library, there is no real one. I will say I've been meaning to create a virtual one (where people post the books they have and members can borrow from each other by way of bringing desired or returned books to the meeting, with email notifications to track it all and using the Amazon web service to ease data entry), and I have renewed interest in that for other reasons, so look for that soon. That said, does anyone have a copy of that book to lend to Robert at the next meeting (or the Flex meeting on Wed, if you both would be going)? /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:46 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com http://motorcyclecarbs.com/, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
Yes, the primer to get is Ben's Teach Yourself SQL in 10 minutes. Can't say enough good words about it (indeed, no more than my review I did back in 2000 which is still the spotlight review at Amazon), and it's a very slim book at just about $10. It's now in its 3rd edition, but even the first would be fine (you can get all of them used, though I wouldn't give mine up. It's worth rereading every once in a while until you know you know everything in it.) /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? No, its not a primer at all. Get comfortable with SQL. Then get guru status by reading and understanding Celko's book. Its not for the faint of heart. -dhs - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
Wouldnt that be more command line though? I hate command line. I feel Navicat and for that matter MySQL Admin's GUI is consice enough to not have to learn the MySQL command line. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ _ From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:18 AM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? MySQL Crash Course (Sams Teach Yourself in 10 Minutes) by Ben Forta On 1/12/07, Precia [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely! On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Database Design For Mere Mortals Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/2007 09:45 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org mailto:discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org mailto:discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com http://motorcyclecarbs.com/ , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
I was thinking of having that for pocket refference anyhow. Heck for $10 it's a no brainer. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:41 AM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Yes, the primer to get is Ben's Teach Yourself SQL in 10 minutes. Can't say enough good words about it (indeed, no more than my review I did back in 2000 which is still the spotlight review at Amazon), and it's a very slim book at just about $10. It's now in its 3rd edition, but even the first would be fine (you can get all of them used, though I wouldn't give mine up. It's worth rereading every once in a while until you know you know everything in it.) /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? No, its not a primer at all. Get comfortable with SQL. Then get guru status by reading and understanding Celko's book. Its not for the faint of heart. -dhs - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
What is this a bunch of PDF's? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ _ From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:34 AM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? By the way, the ..Mere Mortals book is in their library. Teddy On 1/12/07, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend Safari Books Online. For $19/mon you can check out 10 books out at a time. For $40/mon, you get unlimited access. www.safaribooksonline.com http://www.safaribooksonline.com/ The books are virtual and you read them online. I have several friends using it and it saves them a lot of money when they jsut want to read certain chapters of certain books. Teddy On 1/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, I'll echo Shawn and the other's sentiments on the Mere Mortals book. As for the ACFUG library, there is no real one. I will say I've been meaning to create a virtual one (where people post the books they have and members can borrow from each other by way of bringing desired or returned books to the meeting, with email notifications to track it all and using the Amazon web service to ease data entry), and I have renewed interest in that for other reasons, so look for that soon. That said, does anyone have a copy of that book to lend to Robert at the next meeting (or the Flex meeting on Wed, if you both would be going)? /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:46 AM To: discussion@acfug.org mailto:discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com http://motorcyclecarbs.com/ , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com http://www.fusionlink.com/ - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org http://www.acfug.org/ -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com -
[ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. I am a business man working IN a business trying to find what precious little time I can to work ON the business, so that one day the BUSINESS can run the business. In my case I have to realize I do not want to become a professional programmer but gather enough skills to build tools that will generate income or save expences so that I can afford a professional programmer to do such work and that by that time I will be able to inteligently and effectively communicate with said programmer as to what we need to make the business run better. If you feel I am missing the mark please, please do advise. You guys know this stuff and the dynamics of corporations more than I. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ _ From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:01 AM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Robert, You cannot avoid command line over time. Most GUI tools for MySQL are just tools that execute command line actions. You will find in time that command line will be faster than UI as UI will still ahve to render and you will click 10 times for something you could have typed in less time. As for Safari Books, read their website. Teddy On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is this a bunch of PDF's? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com http://motorcyclecarbs.com/ , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ _ From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:34 AM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? By the way, the ..Mere Mortals book is in their library. Teddy On 1/12/07, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend Safari Books Online. For $19/mon you can check out 10 books out at a time. For $40/mon, you get unlimited access. www.safaribooksonline.com http://www.safaribooksonline.com/ The books are virtual and you read them online. I have several friends using it and it saves them a lot of money when they jsut want to read certain chapters of certain books. Teddy On 1/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, I'll echo Shawn and the other's sentiments on the Mere Mortals book. As for the ACFUG library, there is no real one. I will say I've been meaning to create a virtual one (where people post the books they have and members can borrow from each other by way of bringing desired or returned books to the meeting, with email notifications to track it all and using the Amazon web service to ease data entry), and I have renewed interest in that for other reasons, so look for that soon. That said, does anyone have a copy of that book to lend to Robert at the next meeting (or the Flex meeting on Wed, if you both would be going)? /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:46 AM To: discussion@acfug.org mailto:discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com http://motorcyclecarbs.com/ , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
I get access to safari books via netG from my employeer. It really RawkS! Robert, safarionline books are in html format, they don't want you to go and print them yourself, eh? DK On 1/12/07, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend Safari Books Online. For $19/mon you can check out 10 books out at a time. For $40/mon, you get unlimited access. www.safaribooksonline.com The books are virtual and you read them online. I have several friends using it and it saves them a lot of money when they jsut want to read certain chapters of certain books. Teddy On 1/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, I'll echo Shawn and the other's sentiments on the Mere Mortals book. As for the ACFUG library, there is no real one. I will say I've been meaning to create a virtual one (where people post the books they have and members can borrow from each other by way of bringing desired or returned books to the meeting, with email notifications to track it all and using the Amazon web service to ease data entry), and I have renewed interest in that for other reasons, so look for that soon. That said, does anyone have a copy of that book to lend to Robert at the next meeting (or the Flex meeting on Wed, if you both would be going)? /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:46 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations? Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will give me command line notes. I edit MySQL using Navicat (A WONDERFUL PROGRAM!! THANKS JOHN MASON!!). But I realize my weaness is not in how to make DB changes, but what changes to make in setting up a DB in order to have CF do what I want it to do in designing our Corporate Intranet. Maybe the ACFUG library has something in it I can borrow? Charlie? Thanks in advance. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?
So true. Celko's books (and columns available online, do some Googling) are great, but they're not for beginners. On 1/12/07, Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, its not a primer at all. Get comfortable with SQL. Then get guru status by reading and understanding Celko's book. Its not for the faint of heart. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
Robert, If your goal is to be purely a business man, you will eventually seperate yourself from the technology and have a person or team handle this for you. As you are in the initial phases of this endeavor, you need to evaluate the time it takes to grow the business with technology versus the cost of the technology. If you spend 10 hrs per week for 10 weeks to get one technological deliverable, you will have have to wait for 10 weeks for growth. The real ability to grow is when you have your development working in paralell to the business goals. When the two coincide is when spurts of growth or growth oppurtunity occur. In your recent past and difficulty with your shopping cart choice, shrink wrapped solutions tend to be inflexible as they try and cater to a broad range of customers. There is no one product on the market for any one given requirement. Developers typically merge multiple solutions together to custom fit their clients. Eventually, you will have to work up towards having your own customized tool for managing your business. If you are the one to push technology, do you have anyone to help alleviate with business? If you are doing both, there is not much you can do until you have a way to delegate responsibilities based upon time versus growth. Corporate level developers are typically hoarded in their scope. A manager will buffer as much as he/she can to avoid the developer from not focusing on his/her forte. This is typically not possible in small to medium business. If your goal is to read the entire WACK, then that is your goal. Most CF developers do not read the WACK cover to cover. I see most of them tend to reference when they are trying to do something. We keep books, PDFs, blogs and technical websites as our many sources of ways to search how to do this widget and that widget. Over time, we reference less commont tasks. This is what I was referring to command line. If you do hire a full time developer, who will check his/her work? You will have to know enough to ensure that your requirements are met. Non-technical managers are a day to day challenge for developers. This is actually a trend that is slowing down. I have read reports that companies are expecting more of their C-level executives when it comes to technology. If he cannot read his email, how can he be in touch with his/her business? This is a lot to digest, but keep in mind that I have only covered an inkling over many topics. Most of the topics are also subjective, so you will have lots of different styles of management and experiences. You will need to choose what is the right choie for you. Teddy On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. I am a business man working IN a business trying to find what precious little time I can to work ON the business, so that one day the BUSINESS can run the business. In my case I have to realize I do not want to become a professional programmer but gather enough skills to build tools that will generate income or save expences so that I can afford a professional programmer to do such work and that by that time I will be able to inteligently and effectively communicate with said programmer as to what we need to make the business run better. If you feel I am missing the mark please, please do advise. You guys know this stuff and the dynamics of corporations more than I. - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
Caveat: If I refer to anything as he or him without having the analagous she or her, most of generalities are meant to be unisex and gender aganostic. Apologies in advance, Teddy On 1/12/07, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my book, it's a tradeoff between knowing exactly what you told the tool to do on a command-line versus assuming what a GUI tool is doing. For instance MYSQL has the ability to set a collation (what I would have called a character set) on each table. You can do that explicitly in the command-line. But the designer of the GUI tool has to play trade-off between vomiting all the possible options on the user and hiding/showing them to the user based on some idea of the user's experience level. So if you just click the button that says Create Table, unless there's some verbosity to the GUI, you may be setting things that you may not want. I tend to start with the command line, then play around with various GUI tools until I find one that creates/manipulates the way I want it too, then just use the GUI. Howard On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
Great Words Teddy!!! I will have to digest that for a while I do see that the quality between whats in my mind and what the developer eventually ends up with may be a big gray area that will have to be over come. But for now I am still learning how to communicate this. I realize that I need better flow charting skills and be able to delve into psudo code to help communicate. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ _ From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:28 AM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money. Robert, If your goal is to be purely a business man, you will eventually seperate yourself from the technology and have a person or team handle this for you. As you are in the initial phases of this endeavor, you need to evaluate the time it takes to grow the business with technology versus the cost of the technology. If you spend 10 hrs per week for 10 weeks to get one technological deliverable, you will have have to wait for 10 weeks for growth. The real ability to grow is when you have your development working in paralell to the business goals. When the two coincide is when spurts of growth or growth oppurtunity occur. In your recent past and difficulty with your shopping cart choice, shrink wrapped solutions tend to be inflexible as they try and cater to a broad range of customers. There is no one product on the market for any one given requirement. Developers typically merge multiple solutions together to custom fit their clients. Eventually, you will have to work up towards having your own customized tool for managing your business. If you are the one to push technology, do you have anyone to help alleviate with business? If you are doing both, there is not much you can do until you have a way to delegate responsibilities based upon time versus growth. Corporate level developers are typically hoarded in their scope. A manager will buffer as much as he/she can to avoid the developer from not focusing on his/her forte. This is typically not possible in small to medium business. If your goal is to read the entire WACK, then that is your goal. Most CF developers do not read the WACK cover to cover. I see most of them tend to reference when they are trying to do something. We keep books, PDFs, blogs and technical websites as our many sources of ways to search how to do this widget and that widget. Over time, we reference less commont tasks. This is what I was referring to command line. If you do hire a full time developer, who will check his/her work? You will have to know enough to ensure that your requirements are met. Non-technical managers are a day to day challenge for developers. This is actually a trend that is slowing down. I have read reports that companies are expecting more of their C-level executives when it comes to technology. If he cannot read his email, how can he be in touch with his/her business? This is a lot to digest, but keep in mind that I have only covered an inkling over many topics. Most of the topics are also subjective, so you will have lots of different styles of management and experiences. You will need to choose what is the right choie for you. Teddy On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. I am a business man working IN a business trying to find what precious little time I can to work ON the business, so that one day the BUSINESS can run the business. In my case I have to realize I do not want to become a professional programmer but gather enough skills to build tools that will generate income or save expences so that I can afford a professional programmer to do such work and that by that time I will be able to inteligently and effectively communicate with said programmer as to what we need to make the business run better. If you feel I am missing the mark please, please do advise. You guys know this stuff and the dynamics of corporations more than I. - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
Good point Howard. cfnoob responce=sigh thought=when will it end cfoutput TAKE A DEEP BREATH cfnoob /cfoutput Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Howard Fore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:34 AM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money. In my book, it's a tradeoff between knowing exactly what you told the tool to do on a command-line versus assuming what a GUI tool is doing. For instance MYSQL has the ability to set a collation (what I would have called a character set) on each table. You can do that explicitly in the command-line. But the designer of the GUI tool has to play trade-off between vomiting all the possible options on the user and hiding/showing them to the user based on some idea of the user's experience level. So if you just click the button that says Create Table, unless there's some verbosity to the GUI, you may be setting things that you may not want. I tend to start with the command line, then play around with various GUI tools until I find one that creates/manipulates the way I want it too, then just use the GUI. Howard On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
I think by now, most of us gals have figured that one out. Unless you are some traditionalguy that expects dinner on the table when he gets home; which I don't think applies to you. :)mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 01/12/2007 11:38AMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.Caveat: If I refer to anything as "he" or "him" without having the analagous "she" or "her," most of generalities are meant to be unisex and gender aganostic. Apologies in advance, Teddy On 1/12/07, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my book, it's a tradeoff between knowing exactly what you told the tool to do on a command-line versus assuming what a GUI tool is doing. For instance MYSQL has the ability to set a collation (what I would have called a character set) on each table. You can do that explicitly in the command-line. But the designer of the GUI tool has to play trade-off between vomiting all the possible options on the user and hiding/showing them to the user based on some idea of the user's experience level. So if you just click the button that says "Create Table", unless there's some verbosity to the GUI, you may be setting things that you may not want. I tend to start with the command line, then play around with various GUI tools until I find one that creates/manipulates the way I want it too, then just use the GUI. Howard On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song" - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
LOL. Go teddy, go teddy, go teddy Come on guys cheer him on! Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ _ From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:00 PM To: Carbs SalesService Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money. Flattery gets you everywhere. Brownie points to the red head ;) Teddy On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think by now, most of us gals have figured that one out. Unless you are some traditional guy that expects dinner on the table when he gets home; which I don't think applies to you. :) mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: discussion@acfug.org mailto:discussion@acfug.org From: Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 01/12/2007 11:38AM Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money. Caveat: If I refer to anything as he or him without having the analagous she or her, most of generalities are meant to be unisex and gender aganostic. Apologies in advance, Teddy On 1/12/07, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my book, it's a tradeoff between knowing exactly what you told the tool to do on a command-line versus assuming what a GUI tool is doing. For instance MYSQL has the ability to set a collation (what I would have called a character set) on each table. You can do that explicitly in the command-line. But the designer of the GUI tool has to play trade-off between vomiting all the possible options on the user and hiding/showing them to the user based on some idea of the user's experience level. So if you just click the button that says Create Table, unless there's some verbosity to the GUI, you may be setting things that you may not want. I tend to start with the command line, then play around with various GUI tools until I find one that creates/manipulates the way I want it too, then just use the GUI. Howard On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com http://www.fusionlink.com/ - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org http://www.acfug.org/ - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?falogin.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?falogin.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com http://www.fusionlink.com/ - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
*chuckle* Thanks Robert. If there is a need to continue this, we can move it over to the community list to spare folks the banter of me trying to be self effacing. Teddy On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL. Go teddy, go teddy, go teddy Come on guys cheer him on! Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com http://motorcyclecarbs.com/, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -- *From:* Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2007 2:00 PM *To:* Carbs SalesService *Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money. Flattery gets you everywhere. Brownie points to the red head ;) Teddy On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think by now, most of us gals have figured that one out. Unless you are some traditional guy that expects dinner on the table when he gets home; which I don't think applies to you. :) mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: discussion@acfug.org From: Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 01/12/2007 11:38AM Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money. Caveat: If I refer to anything as he or him without having the analagous she or her, most of generalities are meant to be unisex and gender aganostic. Apologies in advance, Teddy On 1/12/07, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my book, it's a tradeoff between knowing exactly what you told the tool to do on a command-line versus assuming what a GUI tool is doing. For instance MYSQL has the ability to set a collation (what I would have called a character set) on each table. You can do that explicitly in the command-line. But the designer of the GUI tool has to play trade-off between vomiting all the possible options on the user and hiding/showing them to the user based on some idea of the user's experience level. So if you just click the button that says Create Table, unless there's some verbosity to the GUI, you may be setting things that you may not want. I tend to start with the command line, then play around with various GUI tools until I find one that creates/manipulates the way I want it too, then just use the GUI. Howard On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform http://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?falogin.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?falogin.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - -- cf_payne / Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org
