Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Calendar Sharing
If anyone says Lotus Notes, you get bonked on the head. Doesn't Outlook have a server piece? (Google? lol) mcg Cody Wehunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/15/2007 11:23 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Calendar Sharing What is everyone using to share calendars? Preferably something that will integrate with and update Outlook. - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF, Oracle 9i, and GROUP BY GROUPING SETS
Thanks. After reading through this, since it does a UNION ALL and that
can result in duplicates, could a DISTINCT help this or just annoy it?
mcg
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>From TFM...
GROUPING SETS
GROUPING SETS are a further extension of the GROUP BY clause that let you
specify multiple groupings of data. Doing so facilitates efficient
aggregation by pruning the aggregates you do not need. You specify just
the desired groups, and Oracle does not need to perform the full set of
aggregations generated by CUBE or ROLLUP. Oracle computes all groupings
specified in the GROUPING SETS clause and combines the results of
individual groupings with a UNION ALL operation. The UNION ALL means that
the result set can include duplicate rows.
Within the GROUP BY clause, you can combine expressions in various ways:
To specify composite columns, you group columns within parentheses so that
Oracle treats them as a unit while computing ROLLUP or CUBE operations.
To specify concatenated grouping sets, you separate multiple grouping
sets, ROLLUP, and CUBE operations with commas so that Oracle combines them
into a single GROUP BY clause. The result is a cross-product of groupings
from each grouping set.
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I know, I know, RTFM, but it has walked off. What does "GROUP BY GROUPING
SETS" do for you?
Are you sure that's a query, and not a novel in some foreign language?
mcg
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darn lack of sleep. might have missed a paren or semi on the copy, but
this is the gist. The GROUPING SETS is new to me.
SELECT
RS.REPNAME ,
U.EMPLID ,
TO_CHAR(U.DSMDATE,'HH24') AS GROUPHOUR ,
U.INTERVAL ,
ROUND(DECODE(SUM(DATA9)*RETURN_THRESHOLD(US.BUSUNIT,'DLRCPH',SYSDATE),0,0,SUM(DATA12)/(SUM(DATA9)*RETURN_THRESHOLD(US.BUSUNIT,'DLRCPH',SYSDATE)))*100,2
AS DLRATTAINPCT ,
ROUND(SUM(DATA12),2) AS DLRCALLS ,
ROUND(DECODE(NVL(SUM(DATA13),0),0,0,SUM(DATA19)/SUM(DATA13)),2) AS DLRCPH
,
ROUND(SUM(DATA11),2) AS EPYCOUNT ,
ROUND(SUM(DATA10),2) AS EPYDOLLARS
FROM
USER_SUP US
LEFT JOIN REP_TO_SUP RS
ON US.EMPLID = RS.SUPID
LEFT JOIN UNIVERSAL_SUMMARY U
ON RS.EMPLID = U.EMPLID
WHERE
US.BUSUNIT = '1234567890'
AND US.EMPLID = '13579'
AND TRUNC(U.DSMDATE) BETWEEN TO_DATE('02/13/2007','MM/DD/') AND
TO_DATE('02/13/2007','MM/DD/')
AND (
U.DSMDATE BETWEEN TO_DATE('02/13/2007 7:00 AM','MM/DD/ HH:MI AM')
AND TO_DATE('02/13/2007 5:00 PM','MM/DD/ HH:MI AM') - 1/24
OR U.INTERVAL = 1
)
GROUP BY GROUPING SETS (
(RS.REPNAME, U.EMPLID, TO_CHAR(U.DSMDATE,'HH24'), U.INTERVAL,
US.BUSUNIT),
(RS.REPNAME, U.EMPLID, U.INTERVAL, US.BUSUNIT),
(TO_CHAR(U.DSMDATE,'HH24'), U.INTERVAL, US.BUSUNIT),
(U.INTERVAL, US.BUSUNIT)
)
ORDER BY
RS.REPNAME,
GROUPHOUR
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Can you share a sample of sql statement causing the error? Thanks.
mf
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Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] CF, Oracle 9i, and GROUP BY GROUPING SETS
I just updated our JDBC drivers to the latest 3.5 versions for testing out
in a dev instance. We are planning to move to Oracle 10g next Q. A
developer is seeing some errors with a query using GROUP BY GROUPING SETS.
The error is
[Macromedia][Oracle JDBC Driver][Oracle]ORA-03001: unimplemented feature
Developer claims that he can use 3 or less GROUPING SETS, but as soon as
he uses > 3 this error shows up. Anyone seen this before?
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF, Oracle 9i, and GROUP BY GROUPING SETS
I know, I know, RTFM, but it has walked off. What does "GROUP BY GROUPING
SETS" do for you?
Are you sure that's a query, and not a novel in some foreign language?
mcg
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darn lack of sleep. might have missed a paren or semi on the copy, but
this is the gist. The GROUPING SETS is new to me.
SELECT
RS.REPNAME ,
U.EMPLID ,
TO_CHAR(U.DSMDATE,'HH24') AS GROUPHOUR ,
U.INTERVAL ,
ROUND(DECODE(SUM(DATA9)*RETURN_THRESHOLD(US.BUSUNIT,'DLRCPH',SYSDATE),0,0,SUM(DATA12)/(SUM(DATA9)*RETURN_THRESHOLD(US.BUSUNIT,'DLRCPH',SYSDATE)))*100,2
AS DLRATTAINPCT ,
ROUND(SUM(DATA12),2) AS DLRCALLS ,
ROUND(DECODE(NVL(SUM(DATA13),0),0,0,SUM(DATA19)/SUM(DATA13)),2) AS
DLRCPH ,
ROUND(SUM(DATA11),2) AS EPYCOUNT ,
ROUND(SUM(DATA10),2) AS EPYDOLLARS
FROM
USER_SUP US
LEFT JOIN REP_TO_SUP RS
ON US.EMPLID = RS.SUPID
LEFT JOIN UNIVERSAL_SUMMARY U
ON RS.EMPLID = U.EMPLID
WHERE
US.BUSUNIT = '1234567890'
AND US.EMPLID = '13579'
AND TRUNC(U.DSMDATE) BETWEEN TO_DATE('02/13/2007','MM/DD/') AND
TO_DATE('02/13/2007','MM/DD/')
AND (
U.DSMDATE BETWEEN TO_DATE('02/13/2007 7:00 AM','MM/DD/ HH:MI AM')
AND TO_DATE('02/13/2007 5:00 PM','MM/DD/ HH:MI AM') - 1/24
OR U.INTERVAL = 1
)
GROUP BY GROUPING SETS (
(RS.REPNAME, U.EMPLID, TO_CHAR(U.DSMDATE,'HH24'), U.INTERVAL,
US.BUSUNIT),
(RS.REPNAME, U.EMPLID, U.INTERVAL, US.BUSUNIT),
(TO_CHAR(U.DSMDATE,'HH24'), U.INTERVAL, US.BUSUNIT),
(U.INTERVAL, US.BUSUNIT)
)
ORDER BY
RS.REPNAME,
GROUPHOUR
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Can you share a sample of sql statement causing the error? Thanks.
mf
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Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] CF, Oracle 9i, and GROUP BY GROUPING SETS
I just updated our JDBC drivers to the latest 3.5 versions for testing out
in a dev instance. We are planning to move to Oracle 10g next Q. A
developer is seeing some errors with a query using GROUP BY GROUPING SETS.
The error is
[Macromedia][Oracle JDBC Driver][Oracle]ORA-03001: unimplemented feature
Developer claims that he can use 3 or less GROUPING SETS, but as soon as
he uses > 3 this error shows up. Anyone seen this before?
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft?
Sounds like a good idea for this. Was this export done via PS or on the application/ db side? Thanks mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/07/2007 05:06 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft? Mary: We have a nightly dump from PeopleSoft into a seperate database. We use this information to power our phone book and other human resources related applications. This approach allows the applications that need this information to access it without worrying about secure info (like salaries) leaking out. Since PS is a relational db application, this is fairly easy to set up. Sincerely, Brooks Wilson Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta · 1000 Peachtree Street, N.E. · Atlanta Georgia 30309-4470 404.498.8178 · fax 404.498.8239 · [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/2007 03:43 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft? Anyone ever connected ColdFusion to PeopleSoft? I know squat about PS, and there is the small potential that my app could connect with it one day. This might be nice to connect to the payroll system to validate if contacts still work here. But this was just tossed out there today as a way to accomplish, "Periodic queries of external systems and comparison with existing contact list identifies discrepancies to be investigated" (beginnings of BRD). Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink gif2cktkeGZB3.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft?
Thanks everyone. Contact information will be in my db, but I am just looking to verify if people are still working here. So read only names and possibly IDs is all I'm going to be asking for. Hopefully that won't be too painful. Thanks! mcg Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/2007 09:27 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft? Yeah I too did a pull from a PS datasource although the SQL was written in an asp page and all I did was pull it into CF with a few minor modifications. It can be done if you know the PS schema. As Precia mentioned though it is a nightmare. Thats why there are people who do nothing but peoplesoft. I worked for a company that just outsourced their peoplesoft DBA so when we needed something done they had to contact him. Getting at the data isn't a problem it is figuring out where to select stuff from and how to form all your joins across many many tables that is the difficult part. -Steven On 2/6/07, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do this daily. Besides the group I'm in interfacing with PS, our HR IT > department uses CF for all the custom people forms. Think employees ids, > position numbers, and reporting trees...yeehaw > > DK > > On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > Anyone ever connected ColdFusion to PeopleSoft? I know squat about PS, > and there is the small potential that my app could connect with it one day. > This might be nice to connect to the payroll system to validate if contacts > still work here. But this was just tossed out there today as a way to > accomplish, "Periodic queries of external systems and comparison with > existing contact list identifies discrepancies to be investigated" > (beginnings of BRD). > > > > Mary-Catherine > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > > Archive @ > http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > > List hosted by FusionLink > > > - > > > > -- > Douglas Knudsen > http://www.cubicleman.com > this is my signature, like it? > > - > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > Archive @ > http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > List hosted by FusionLink > - -- Steven Ross web application & interface developer http://www.zerium.com [mobile] 404-488-4364 [fax] 267-482-4364 - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft?
Maybe. No idea where this data would be located. But the Oracle admins are upstairs; I am pretty sure they'd know. Getting at it (b/c it's payroll information) might be a different story though. mcg Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/2007 04:10 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft? Can you access the Oracle db PS sits on? Precia On 2/6/07, Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, I have connected it 3 years ago. It's been quite some time since I have visiting that information. Precia On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone ever connected ColdFusion to PeopleSoft? I know squat about PS, and there is the small potential that my app could connect with it one day. This might be nice to connect to the payroll system to validate if contacts still work here. But this was just tossed out there today as a way to accomplish, "Periodic queries of external systems and comparison with existing contact list identifies discrepancies to be investigated" (beginnings of BRD). Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft?
So it can be done. How painful was this? Is it just a data source or are there square shaped, moving hoops you have to jump through? mcg Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/06/2007 03:55 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft? Yes, I have connected it 3 years ago. It's been quite some time since I have visiting that information. Precia On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone ever connected ColdFusion to PeopleSoft? I know squat about PS, and there is the small potential that my app could connect with it one day. This might be nice to connect to the payroll system to validate if contacts still work here. But this was just tossed out there today as a way to accomplish, "Periodic queries of external systems and comparison with existing contact list identifies discrepancies to be investigated" (beginnings of BRD). Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
[ACFUG Discuss] PeopleSoft?
Anyone ever connected ColdFusion to PeopleSoft? I know squat about PS, and there is the small potential that my app could connect with it one day. This might be nice to connect to the payroll system to validate if contacts still work here. But this was just tossed out there today as a way to accomplish, "Periodic queries of external systems and comparison with existing contact list identifies discrepancies to be investigated" (beginnings of BRD). Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: DataBase Design Forum/Lists?
I have to second Techrepublic.com for all sorts of things from ColdFusion to project management. Or if you want a good fight go to the experience vs. degree thread on the forums. mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 01/31/2007 05:53PMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: DataBase Design Forum/Lists?I get SQL server Tips at techRepublic.com It's not mySQL but it's a good read, anyway. Precia On 1/31/07, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Along with Dusty's question for CSS I also wonder if anyone knows a good place for newbies and pros to confer about DB design? I use MySQL but I dont think it has to be MySQL specific. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Dusty Hale [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:30 PM To: Carbs Sales&Service Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] OT does anyone have a favorite CSS user group to recommend? I am dealing with some CSS issues and wondered if anyone out there could recommend a favorite user group. I know there are many on a google search but if someone has a favorite one, I would like to try that first. Thx DH - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box
*cough* MARY-CATHERINE *cough* (I thought you were smart enough for this one Teddy) Seeing how I have completely mucked up my Eclipse install at the moment, I cannot verify. But there are more important points in this email. mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/29/2007 10:26 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box Mary, When you click the Background button under the CFEclipse CFML Colours, you get the standard colors associated with your operating system. If you would like to have a custom color, you click "Define Custom Colors." As I am sure you know, it is based upon RGB, which translates every web safe octet like 0, 51,102,153, 204 and 255. So, there is no problem changing the background color to black which would be R:0 G:0 B:0 Teddy On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not to #00 for the background mcg "Shifang (Frank) Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/29/2007 09:05 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box Eclipse does allow you to change the background color. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As with others on the list, I go between CFEclipse and DW. Eclipse has some nice plugins to allow you to modify your database without having to use some other application (there probably is something like this in DW, but I haven't gone searching). I do prefer searching in DW, it seems to have an easier interface. I suppose if I did a lot of layout, DW would be easier than there. A drawback with Eclipse is that I can't change the background to black but DW does allow for that, but I can get close enough (try it, it's easier on the eyes). As for the large file size, I haven't had a problem with a 1700 line file, other than it's 1700 lines (only one of the thousands of reasons this app is being rewritten)! mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/26/2007 03:47 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box It may be an issue with the plugin. If you want to test it out though...just copy and paste some code into cfeclipse that makes a file that's 2,500 lines of code and then go and try to add some code in the middle of the page. You could type three lines of code and then watch it come across the screen in Doogie Howser fashion 15-20 seconds later! It's insane. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:42 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box Damn dude... what kind of box are you on the Eclipse is a dog on large files? I've never seen that behavior, but that's not using CFEclipse, just the base Eclipse for Java projects... Could it be an issue with the plugin? -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[U]nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them" --John Perry Barlow On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:32 PM, < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Briefly... > The ONLY reason I've ever liked DW is the fact that you can > synchronize files between the local machine and a server very > easily. Eclipse is supposed to have synchronize plugins but > they've never seemed to work (at all). > > Also, DW is great for design type of work, as Ajas mentions below, > but it's a resource hog. If you're low on memory you should > probably look elsewhere - that being stated, Eclipse isn't exactly > a light-weight either! > > One last thing - a negative for eclipse...if you're working with > files that contain thousands of lines of code (I know, everyone > says it shouldn't happen, but it does), just typing in a line of > code in the middle of the page can be very annoying...it is SO > SLOW... > > But, other than that, both have their uses but the one huge plus of > eclipse - it's free > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ajas > Mohammed > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:27 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box > > Best IDE? well thats a tough question and it depends on persons own > taste & preferences. I like to play with all IDE's there in market > and finally stick to ones which I like more. In this case its DW & > Eclipse. As John Mason mentioned earlier, from coder's point of > view no one can beat Eclipse for the simple reason that its meant > for a developer who does coding day in day out. Its a very wise > option to get familiar with Eclipse because sooner or later some > place you join will hav
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box
*cough* Mary-Catherine *cough* Yes I can change the colors. And have changed everything but the background; it is a dark gray. mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/29/2007 09:41 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box Mary, Click the following for background change: Window > Preferences > CFEclipse > CFML Colours You will see background at the bottom. Those crazy brits and their spelling. =) Cheers, Teddy On 1/29/07, Shifang (Frank) Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eclipse does allow you to change the background color. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As with others on the list, I go between CFEclipse and DW. Eclipse has some nice plugins to allow you to modify your database without having to use some other application (there probably is something like this in DW, but I haven't gone searching). I do prefer searching in DW, it seems to have an easier interface. I suppose if I did a lot of layout, DW would be easier than there. A drawback with Eclipse is that I can't change the background to black but DW does allow for that, but I can get close enough (try it, it's easier on the eyes). As for the large file size, I haven't had a problem with a 1700 line file, other than it's 1700 lines (only one of the thousands of reasons this app is being rewritten)! mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/26/2007 03:47 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box It may be an issue with the plugin. If you want to test it out though...just copy and paste some code into cfeclipse that makes a file that's 2,500 lines of code and then go and try to add some code in the middle of the page. You could type three lines of code and then watch it come across the screen in Doogie Howser fashion 15-20 seconds later! It's insane. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:42 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box Damn dude... what kind of box are you on the Eclipse is a dog on large files? I've never seen that behavior, but that's not using CFEclipse, just the base Eclipse for Java projects... Could it be an issue with the plugin? -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[U]nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them" --John Perry Barlow On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:32 PM, < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Briefly... > The ONLY reason I've ever liked DW is the fact that you can > synchronize files between the local machine and a server very > easily. Eclipse is supposed to have synchronize plugins but > they've never seemed to work (at all). > > Also, DW is great for design type of work, as Ajas mentions below, > but it's a resource hog. If you're low on memory you should > probably look elsewhere - that being stated, Eclipse isn't exactly > a light-weight either! > > One last thing - a negative for eclipse...if you're working with > files that contain thousands of lines of code (I know, everyone > says it shouldn't happen, but it does), just typing in a line of > code in the middle of the page can be very annoying...it is SO > SLOW... > > But, other than that, both have their uses but the one huge plus of > eclipse - it's free > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ajas > Mohammed > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:27 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box > > Best IDE? well thats a tough question and it depends on persons own > taste & preferences. I like to play with all IDE's there in market > and finally stick to ones which I like more. In this case its DW & > Eclipse. As John Mason mentioned earlier, from coder's point of > view no one can beat Eclipse for the simple reason that its meant > for a developer who does coding day in day out. Its a very wise > option to get familiar with Eclipse because sooner or later some > place you join will have developers who only use Eclipse. As for DW > is concerned, it is also a great tool for a developer who wants to > do design as well write code. > > Personally, I use both DW & Eclipse. I use DW a lot because when I > want to edit code, I just select the html element and I get to the > point where I want to make the changes instead of searching for it. > Thats the biggest plus for me as far as using DW is concerned. On > the other side, whenever I have to refactor code or make code > changes in CFC's etc, I prefer to stick to Eclipse. Also the > Eclipse IDE has some very cool features like > > 1) You can go
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box
Not to #00 for the background mcg "Shifang (Frank) Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/29/2007 09:05 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box Eclipse does allow you to change the background color. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As with others on the list, I go between CFEclipse and DW. Eclipse has some nice plugins to allow you to modify your database without having to use some other application (there probably is something like this in DW, but I haven't gone searching). I do prefer searching in DW, it seems to have an easier interface. I suppose if I did a lot of layout, DW would be easier than there. A drawback with Eclipse is that I can't change the background to black but DW does allow for that, but I can get close enough (try it, it's easier on the eyes). As for the large file size, I haven't had a problem with a 1700 line file, other than it's 1700 lines (only one of the thousands of reasons this app is being rewritten)! mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/26/2007 03:47 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box It may be an issue with the plugin. If you want to test it out though...just copy and paste some code into cfeclipse that makes a file that's 2,500 lines of code and then go and try to add some code in the middle of the page. You could type three lines of code and then watch it come across the screen in Doogie Howser fashion 15-20 seconds later! It's insane. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:42 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box Damn dude... what kind of box are you on the Eclipse is a dog on large files? I've never seen that behavior, but that's not using CFEclipse, just the base Eclipse for Java projects... Could it be an issue with the plugin? -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[U]nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them" --John Perry Barlow On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:32 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Briefly... > The ONLY reason I've ever liked DW is the fact that you can > synchronize files between the local machine and a server very > easily. Eclipse is supposed to have synchronize plugins but > they've never seemed to work (at all). > > Also, DW is great for design type of work, as Ajas mentions below, > but it's a resource hog. If you're low on memory you should > probably look elsewhere - that being stated, Eclipse isn't exactly > a light-weight either! > > One last thing - a negative for eclipse...if you're working with > files that contain thousands of lines of code (I know, everyone > says it shouldn't happen, but it does), just typing in a line of > code in the middle of the page can be very annoying...it is SO > SLOW... > > But, other than that, both have their uses but the one huge plus of > eclipse - it's free > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ajas > Mohammed > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:27 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box > > Best IDE? well thats a tough question and it depends on persons own > taste & preferences. I like to play with all IDE's there in market > and finally stick to ones which I like more. In this case its DW & > Eclipse. As John Mason mentioned earlier, from coder's point of > view no one can beat Eclipse for the simple reason that its meant > for a developer who does coding day in day out. Its a very wise > option to get familiar with Eclipse because sooner or later some > place you join will have developers who only use Eclipse. As for DW > is concerned, it is also a great tool for a developer who wants to > do design as well write code. > > Personally, I use both DW & Eclipse. I use DW a lot because when I > want to edit code, I just select the html element and I get to the > point where I want to make the changes instead of searching for it. > Thats the biggest plus for me as far as using DW is concerned. On > the other side, whenever I have to refactor code or make code > changes in CFC's etc, I prefer to stick to Eclipse. Also the > Eclipse IDE has some very cool features like > > 1) You can go to previously viewed file by using cntl + F6 keys. I > dont think you could do the same in DW. In DW, cntl + tab takes you > through list of files that are open. I hate that. Usually i have > lots of files open and I always like to go back & forth between 2 > open windows/files. Its much easier to do this in Eclipse. > 2) The appearance of Eclipse ed
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box
As with others on the list, I go between CFEclipse and DW. Eclipse has some nice plugins to allow you to modify your database without having to use some other application (there probably is something like this in DW, but I haven't gone searching). I do prefer searching in DW, it seems to have an easier interface. I suppose if I did a lot of layout, DW would be easier than there. A drawback with Eclipse is that I can't change the background to black but DW does allow for that, but I can get close enough (try it, it's easier on the eyes). As for the large file size, I haven't had a problem with a 1700 line file, other than it's 1700 lines (only one of the thousands of reasons this app is being rewritten)! mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/26/2007 03:47 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box It may be an issue with the plugin. If you want to test it out though...just copy and paste some code into cfeclipse that makes a file that's 2,500 lines of code and then go and try to add some code in the middle of the page. You could type three lines of code and then watch it come across the screen in Doogie Howser fashion 15-20 seconds later! It's insane. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:42 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box Damn dude... what kind of box are you on the Eclipse is a dog on large files? I've never seen that behavior, but that's not using CFEclipse, just the base Eclipse for Java projects... Could it be an issue with the plugin? -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[U]nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them" --John Perry Barlow On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:32 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Briefly... > The ONLY reason I've ever liked DW is the fact that you can > synchronize files between the local machine and a server very > easily. Eclipse is supposed to have synchronize plugins but > they've never seemed to work (at all). > > Also, DW is great for design type of work, as Ajas mentions below, > but it's a resource hog. If you're low on memory you should > probably look elsewhere - that being stated, Eclipse isn't exactly > a light-weight either! > > One last thing - a negative for eclipse...if you're working with > files that contain thousands of lines of code (I know, everyone > says it shouldn't happen, but it does), just typing in a line of > code in the middle of the page can be very annoying...it is SO > SLOW... > > But, other than that, both have their uses but the one huge plus of > eclipse - it's free > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ajas > Mohammed > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:27 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Building my IDE Tool Box > > Best IDE? well thats a tough question and it depends on persons own > taste & preferences. I like to play with all IDE's there in market > and finally stick to ones which I like more. In this case its DW & > Eclipse. As John Mason mentioned earlier, from coder's point of > view no one can beat Eclipse for the simple reason that its meant > for a developer who does coding day in day out. Its a very wise > option to get familiar with Eclipse because sooner or later some > place you join will have developers who only use Eclipse. As for DW > is concerned, it is also a great tool for a developer who wants to > do design as well write code. > > Personally, I use both DW & Eclipse. I use DW a lot because when I > want to edit code, I just select the html element and I get to the > point where I want to make the changes instead of searching for it. > Thats the biggest plus for me as far as using DW is concerned. On > the other side, whenever I have to refactor code or make code > changes in CFC's etc, I prefer to stick to Eclipse. Also the > Eclipse IDE has some very cool features like > > 1) You can go to previously viewed file by using cntl + F6 keys. I > dont think you could do the same in DW. In DW, cntl + tab takes you > through list of files that are open. I hate that. Usually i have > lots of files open and I always like to go back & forth between 2 > open windows/files. Its much easier to do this in Eclipse. > 2) The appearance of Eclipse editor looks very good to the eyes > when compared to DW's appearance. This remark is based of how code > looks in IDE and has nothing to do with fancy stuff. > 3) Lot of plugin options. There is another tool which gives > TortoiseSVN features in eclipse. I dont want to write it here as > we are already discussing that in other thread. > > Bottom line, I use both. Of late I have bee
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Join in QofQ
Possibly just an OUTER JOIN in the first query? SELECT workshop, COUNT (users.user_ID) AS ct FROM workshops LEFT OUTER JOIN users ON workshops.agencyid = users.user_id GROUP BY workshop_id I think you may be able to put a WITH ROLLUP in there as well, but my SQL book has walked off. mcg "Chris C. Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/23/2007 03:50 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] Join in QofQ I?ve got 2 tables Workshops users I?m trying to do a count of how many users have signed up for each workshops. I did 2 SQLl statements then I?m trying to put them together with a Query of a Query. I can?t seem to do a join in the QofQ so I how do I list all the workshops when no users have signed up for a particular workshop? Select * FROM workshops,users where workshops.agencyid = users.user_id SELECT count(*) as total, workshop_id from users GROUP by `workshop_id` select * from getWorkshops,getworkshoptotals WHERE getworkshops.workshop_id = getWorkshoptotals.workshop_id Any ideas how I can do this? - Chris C. Cooper Cooper e.Business Solutions Atlanta, Georgia 404.691.4816 Cooper e.business Solutions ? http://www.cooperebusiness.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 4:34 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] SHA-1 cracked These things are always going to happen (just give it enought time), but a research team in China finally cracked SHA-1. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/20/1936257&from=rss John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - jpg8cPrASjS3S.jpg Description: JPEG image
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth
Thanks for the responses. Not like the government is going to jump ship any time soon. mcg Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/22/2007 09:42 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth Mary-Catherine, Even better -- here's a copy of a post I sent to the BlueDragon list a while ago: - If you think that's customer service, try this. Last year on the Friday before the Christmas holiday, when everone in the world was taking the day off to be with their families, David and I discovered an obscure CFLOGIN syndication issue with BD 6.1 when using hardware load balancing on a cluster with syndicated session objects using ScaleOut StateServer. We debugged for a couple of hours, then called New Atlanta and told them that we really needed to solve this issue immediately. So what would you expect to happen? Vince himself comes out to *our* office with his laptop and the BD.NET source code, and we work together for a few hours to uncover the problem. It turns out that because we're always diligent about putting OUTPUT="No" in both the CFCOMPONENT and CFFUNCTION tags, this triggered an issue unique to our environment that he traced to a single line in the source code. So Vince corrects it, compiles us a special version, and everything works perfectly. Vince waited until everything worked before he went home to his family after 6:00 that night. And he was more than happy to do it. Some days later we came up against a second issue that also has affected clustered BD (and CF) apps: the fact that you can't have failover that honors authorization, because roles aren't syndicated between machines. So we were put in touch directly with the guy who was responsible for that part of the BD codebase, and we all worked out the design of the solution for how roles could be syndicated between machines in a cluster. 30 hours later, at about 2:15 AM, we got a fix emailed to us. And that is what made BD.NET the only CFML processor that handles the entire CFLOGIN framework across machines in a cluster with full failover. Well, you don't have to hit *me* in the head a third time... I resigned from Team Macromedia the following day, then David and I joined the BlueDragon Alliance. I can't tell you how good I feel about the level of service I get from New Atlanta. I am confident that the BD.NET solutions I deploy will just work, all the time. No server hangs from zero-byte mail spool files. No RegEx DoS attacks. No JVM Bind errors. No running out of database connections. It just works. And if it ever doesn't work -- even under the most exclusive and obscure conditions that might not affect others -- I get the best of the best handling it immediately. If the software industry had Marines, New Atlanta would be them. - Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discussion@acfug.org Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth >>> New Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and support? Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the BlueDragon Alliance? Or the consistent differences in reliability and performance we've seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET? <<< Promise I am not trying to start a flame war, just the reason behind this move (I've probably read your posts, but don't remember them). From your comments are you implying "screw Adobe because their product sucks; I hate them". And that you just like BD because you prefer their product (and the direction they are going), rather than Adobe/ Macromedia? People jump various ships all the time, but just wanting to know your 'why'. mcg Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/19/2007 04:32 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth Have you read any of my previous posts to various lists regarding New Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and support? Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the BlueDragon Alliance? Or the consistent differences in reliability and performance we've seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET? If not then take a look, or feel free to call me personally at 770-446-8866 and I'll be happy to share. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com - Original Mess
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth
>>> New Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and support? Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the BlueDragon Alliance? Or the consistent differences in reliability and performance we've seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET? <<< Promise I am not trying to start a flame war, just the reason behind this move (I've probably read your posts, but don't remember them). From your comments are you implying "screw Adobe because their product sucks; I hate them". And that you just like BD because you prefer their product (and the direction they are going), rather than Adobe/ Macromedia? People jump various ships all the time, but just wanting to know your 'why'. mcg Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/19/2007 04:32 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth Have you read any of my previous posts to various lists regarding New Atlanta's stellar performance in the areas of product quality and support? Or the reason why I quit Team Macromedia and went with the BlueDragon Alliance? Or the consistent differences in reliability and performance we've seen between ColdFusion and BD.NET? If not then take a look, or feel free to call me personally at 770-446-8866 and I'll be happy to share. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com - Original Message - From: Teddy Payne To: discussion@acfug.org Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] MySpace growth Adam, Thank you for the colorful commentation. Can you offer a more thoughtful and objective point of view that would not slander one side or the other and would avoid a flame war? I am sure our readers would be interested in the ramifications of enterprise business to business partnerships versus product bias. Teddy On 1/19/07, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can only wish that one day that the two product will merge and > support one another... Oh, God, no no no NO NO NO NO!! Lord, I know I've done You wrong before. I know I've had my differences with You in the past and not done as You'd wished from time to time. And I'm deeply sorry, Lord, *deeply* sorry, if I've offended You in any way, and I thank You for showing me the Light. I know now that I should have never invented the Puppy Trebuchet, had them manufactured by child slave labor in China, and sold them at an obscene profit to the idle rich. I know that now, because You've showed me The Way. I know now, Dear Lord, that it is not right to initiate dozens of simultaneous office pools around Atlanta on which employee can give the boss Herpes the fastest, take "10% For The House," and use that money to finance underground "Free First Taste Of Crack Day" for middle schoolers. You've shown me that it's wrong. But Lord, if You have any mercy left in You for the wretch that is me... If You can forgive me just one more time... If You can do one thing for me, then please please *PLEASE* don't ever let Adobe get their hands on BlueDragon.NET, Lord, please. Please keep them apart, Dear Lord, so that the pristine nature of BlueDragon.NET is not sullied. So that it remains a shining beacon of CFML performance when loads get heavy. So that we, it's disciples, can hear The Voice Of Reason when we need support, and not have to wait for generations in hopeless bondage. So that freedom of choice may reign. Thank you, and Amen. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org n?N??沸y??fj???�s|??? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - jpg1WsXmDDi2D.jpg Description: JPEG image
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB
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I agree that with strict image security it is an option. Give an image
only to particular people, etc. But data management? I don't think so, but
let's just my opinion. Image security is probably the only practical
example I can think of for doing this, but there again Derrick isn't going
for that. As far as having html text and the image binary on the same
'page'...I've never send that before.
John
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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:42 PM
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Not true--there can be a benefits: data management & security. Derrick
started this whole discussion on the BlueDragon Interest list. I guess he
brought it here because no one could tell him a technique for doing what
he wanted on that list. But over there just as here, people asked the
"why would you do that?" question about storing images in the DB. An good
rule of thumb was put forth: if it's "page furniture," keep it in the
file system; if it's data, keep it in the DB. If it's data, use your data
management tool (a.k.a. your database) to manage it--why reinvent the
wheel? On the security side of things, note that by using , you can implement all the same security you
would for any other resource your app serves up.
Josh
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:27 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
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Honestly, there's not really a benefit per se. There might be a rare case
now and then for doing this, but really you should probably just use the
filesystem for what it's design for, storing files.
John
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P.
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:22 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB
I'm just curious. What are the benefits of storing the image in the db
rather than storing the file on the filesystem and the path in the db? I
mean, for a web page, all you need is the and the path. I can
understand how it might be useful in some VB or C or Java app where the
client doesn't display images with such ease, but for a web app...?
Thanks.
mf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Mason
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:16 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
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I believe there would still be three http requests here. The images would
still be called up in the html like right? Sorry but in http
that would still create seperate http requests.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:35 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB
Probably an easy problem for someone...
I want to put two small images in my database and then output them in my
app, so that they do not constitute additional http requests. Consider it
an experiment - I know that it may seem a bit silly. The goal is for the
entire page to be delivered to the browser in one http request, instead of
3 (two images and one cf page) without doing any Apache tinkering. I have
looked around the net for answers and cannot seem to make this work.
Database field is "imageFile" of type BLOB in MySQL 4.1.13. What is the
proper way to insert the image?
Example: INSERT into Images (imageFile) values ('#base64(image)#')
-Or-
Example: INSERT into Images (imageFile) values ('#image#')
And then of course, how do you retrieve it? Example: SELECT imageFile FROM
Images WHERE imageID=1
#toString(imageFile)#
-OR-
#toBinary(imageFile)#
As I say, I've not been able to make this work. If I use toString(), I
simply get the raw data. If I use toBinary(), I get an error that the data
cannot be converted to a string. Also, using CFCONTENT is fine to output
the image, but then any code after that is ignored. So, short of saving
the entire page and then outputting, it, I don't see a way to use
CFCONTENT.
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB
Let me preface this with, I know squat about the server realm. But would Flash or an applet get you anywhere? Some sort of caching? Just throwing some thoughts out there. mcg Josh Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/18/2007 02:35 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Right--so to be clear Derrick is looking to not use the tag but to instead use some other mechanism such that the image isn't a separate file that is referenced (as is the case with the tag) but is actually part of the HTML itself. I don't know a technique for that--does anyone else? Josh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:24 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Douglas, yep. You nailed it. _ Derrick Peavy Sales and Web Services Universal Advertising Phone: 404-786-5036 Fax: 404-370-0470 http://www.universaladvertising.com http://www.collegeadvertising.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com ___ On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote: On 1/18/07, Derrick Peavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you again - everyone! I think (by virtue of forcing the question), that the answer is that what I want to do is not really worth it or might best be done with the keep-alive option. The goal, again a theoretical one, is to reduce the number of http requests as that really is the biggest bottleneck on line these days (files needed to construct one page, images, external Jscript, Google ads, and scripts, etc.). An interesting article: http://ajaxian.com/archives/yahoo-performance-engineers-discuss-what-the-8020-rule-tells-us-about-reducing-http-requests As I have reduced my https request I have seen faster page loads via third party testing. But at this point, I think I am as far as can be reasonably done. The reason I don't like the CFCONTENT option is that in fact the entire page output does have to be sent. I cannot simply include a CFM file which retrieves the image and puts it in the page as the rest of the page does not process after the CFCONTENT. As for putting the entire page in the DB, no, I think that's not appropriate. Just thought, maybe someone had done this and that you could spit out 1.5 or 4.4 k images just like data and speed things up. I'm no reader of RPCs on HTTP or anything, but this does not sound possible. What it sounds like you are trying to do is deliver the binary data for a image inline with the HTML. To the best of my knowledge that isn't a reality. For emails maybe, but not a web browser. _ Derrick Peavy Sales and Web Services Universal Advertising Phone: 404-786-5036 Fax: 404-370-0470 http://www.universaladvertising.com http://www.collegeadvertising.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com ___ On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:45 PM, John Mason wrote: Yes, you only need the server to run http 1.1 which most do. Also the browser should be able to accept that (which most do) and the browser has to not send a close command which at times they do. A lot of things are controlled by the user in this situation. Whether accepting a open keep-alive http connection or http compression. Lucky a lot of this is already taken care of from the server end. Storing the images in the db or on the file system isn't going to change anything there and the end client browser really for the most part doesn't care. John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fennell, Mark P. Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Additionally, I think HTTP 1.1 allows connection keep-alives so that you only make one http call for the entire page. Right? mf -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:03 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Don't get me wrong, I understand it's an experiement and it's fun to try. 1. You're not actually reducing your http requests. <-- My main point with this. 3. You can save the image data in the database as a BLOB and output it onto a page. You'll need to use cfcontent to set the precise MIME type. If you're using IIS 6, the MIME types are much more strict than they use to be. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Kindly, and with respect to everyone that replied: 1. As I stated, the goal is to reduce http requests, not file sizes. And "this is an experiment," please forgive, but the "Why" of why I want to do this is not part of the answer. 2. Don't really
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB
I'm just curious. What are the benefits of storing the image in the db
rather than storing the file on the filesystem and the path in the db? I
mean, for a web page, all you need is the and the path. I can
understand how it might be useful in some VB or C or Java app where the
client doesn't display images with such ease, but for a web app...?
Thanks.
mf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Mason
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:16 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB
I believe there would still be three http requests here. The images would
still be called up in the html like right? Sorry but in http
that would still create seperate http requests.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:35 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB
Probably an easy problem for someone...
I want to put two small images in my database and then output them in my
app, so that they do not constitute additional http requests. Consider it
an experiment - I know that it may seem a bit silly. The goal is for the
entire page to be delivered to the browser in one http request, instead of
3 (two images and one cf page) without doing any Apache tinkering. I have
looked around the net for answers and cannot seem to make this work.
Database field is "imageFile" of type BLOB in MySQL 4.1.13. What is the
proper way to insert the image?
Example: INSERT into Images (imageFile) values ('#base64(image)#')
-Or-
Example: INSERT into Images (imageFile) values ('#image#')
And then of course, how do you retrieve it? Example: SELECT imageFile FROM
Images WHERE imageID=1
#toString(imageFile)#
-OR-
#toBinary(imageFile)#
As I say, I've not been able to make this work. If I use toString(), I
simply get the raw data. If I use toBinary(), I get an error that the data
cannot be converted to a string. Also, using CFCONTENT is fine to output
the image, but then any code after that is ignored. So, short of saving
the entire page and then outputting, it, I don't see a way to use
CFCONTENT.
_
Derrick Peavy
Sales and Web Services
Universal Advertising
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
Oh it's Friday[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 01/12/2007 02:13PMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.*chuckle* Thanks Robert. If there is a need to continue this, we can move it over to the community list to spare folks the banter of me trying to be self effacing. Teddy On 1/12/07, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: LOL. Go teddy, go teddy, go teddy Come on guys cheer him on! Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Teddy Payne [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:00 PM To: Carbs Sales&Service Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money. Flattery gets you everywhere. Brownie points to the red head ;) Teddy On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: I think by now, most of us gals have figured that one out. Unless you are some traditional guy that expects dinner on the table when he gets home; which I don't think applies to you. :) mcg - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: discussion@acfug.org From: Teddy Payne < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 01/12/2007 11:38AM Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money. Caveat: If I refer to anything as "he" or "him" without having the analagous "she" or "her," most of generalities are meant to be unisex and gender aganostic. Apologies in advance, Teddy On 1/12/07, Howard Fore < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: In my book, it's a tradeoff between knowing exactly what you told the tool to do on a command-line versus assuming what a GUI tool is doing. For instance MYSQL has the ability to set a collation (what I would have called a character set) on each table. You can do that explicitly in the command-line. But the designer of the GUI tool has to play trade-off between vomiting all the possible options on the user and hiding/showing them to the user based on some idea of the user's experience level. So if you just click the button that says "Create Table", unless there's some verbosity to the GUI, you may be setting things that you may not want. I tend to start with the command line, then play around with various GUI tools until I find one that creates/manipulates the way I want it too, then just use the GUI. Howard On 1/12/07, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn > another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate > to the click. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song" - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?falogin.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.
I think by now, most of us gals have figured that one out. Unless you are some traditional guy that expects dinner on the table when he gets home; which I don't think applies to you. :) mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 01/12/2007 11:38AMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.Caveat: If I refer to anything as "he" or "him" without having the analagous "she" or "her," most of generalities are meant to be unisex and gender aganostic. Apologies in advance, Teddy On 1/12/07, Howard Fore < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: In my book, it's a tradeoff between knowing exactly what you told the tool to do on a command-line versus assuming what a GUI tool is doing. For instance MYSQL has the ability to set a collation (what I would have called a character set) on each table. You can do that explicitly in the command-line. But the designer of the GUI tool has to play trade-off between vomiting all the possible options on the user and hiding/showing them to the user based on some idea of the user's experience level. So if you just click the button that says "Create Table", unless there's some verbosity to the GUI, you may be setting things that you may not want. I tend to start with the command line, then play around with various GUI tools until I find one that creates/manipulates the way I want it too, then just use the GUI. Howard On 1/12/07, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn > another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate > to the click. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song" - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
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Re: Flex topic (was Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Starting the New Year with ACFUG)
Stumbled upon this the other day: http://www.google.com/trends So do some searching to see the popularity of Flex :) mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 01/04/2007 05:37PMSubject: Re: Flex topic (was Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Starting the New Year with ACFUG)to quote one of our presenters last night, Andy Powel, "it depends" :) Truly, it depends on many variables, your developer base, your consumers, your technology, buzzword popularity as measured by slashdot, digg, etc, and of course always factor in the geek factor. Digging around google, you can probably find some compare/contrasts blog posts on it. For me, Flex seemed better with its ubiquitous, well nearly so, Flash player use and a full supported framework. That and my employer bought into it :) off to sign up DK On 1/4/07, Alex Pilson < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: At 5:01 PM -0500 1/4/07, Douglas Knudsen wrote: and if you caught this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Stewart/?p=213 http://www.onflex.org/ted exciting new stuff for FlexBuilder on the way...soon! As for appsthey are starting to popup around the net. Mostly though they appear to be on intranets. We have a couple already and a few currently in development. I find all this very intriguing. I am not trying to start a flame war or anything, but more trying to understand the positioning of Flex. With the advent of AJAX rich components, besides the obvious advantages of Flash, would you see more people opting to create Flex based GUI's versus AJAX? I say this as I just had a colleague create a new Intranet site for a very high-profile client all in AJAX/JQuery. It is very very slick! Thanks for the lively discussion. -- <---> Alex Pilson FlagShip Interactive, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] <---> - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF
Good to hear. Already printed out and plan on reading it in my 'spare' time. Hmmm, maybe I should just put a meeting with myself in Notes.. mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 12:50 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF I need to chime in here. Charlie has given me this PDF in the past and I have used the sample code in it more than once now. It is a great and quick read. The types of examples are exactly what you need half the time. Teddy On 1/2/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MCG, your initial explorations with XML and CF are not unusual. You've gotten some good tips here so far. I'd like to offer a couple more--and not just for Mary-Catherine but for anyone learning to deal with XML in CF. It's one of those topics where--especially if you're new to XML in general--I'd argue one would NOT be well-served by just looking at/copying code snippets. You really need to "get it" first or you'll end up chasing your tail. Further, there are often many ways to do something (even more than what' s been proposed here). The best resource I ever found, and which really sparked an Aha! moment for me when I first read it a few years ago, is Nate Weiss's 30-page article: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/xmlxslt.pdf It's a real page-turner. Seriously. :-) Don't let the 30 pages scare you off. You'll come out of it after an hour or so with tremendous appreciation for what XML processing in CFML is about, including tips and techniques that you might have struggled with to learn on your own. It was actually a chapter in the original CFMX version of the WACK book which he was permitted to release online. A wonderful resource, and as timely now as when it was first released. To address the "why would I want to bother" that Chris raised, in addition to Teddy's point about Flex, another is that Spry and indeed many Ajax solutions also leverage XML. Also, often one is given a file to read, whether for data interchange as Andy indicated or for reading a file already on your computer, since so many tools (including CF) now use XML files for configuration. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:04 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF I will be using CF to get things in and out, just not sure of the best logic. I'm been looking at the docs plus some other sites out there and copying code snippets. Hoping it will set up some of the page flow for later on. Come on, trying to learn stuff here. :) mcg Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 09:23 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF If you are faking something for demo data use WDDX, it will be a whole lot easier to use in CF. On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Like I said, for faking things for demo purposes (figured it would be quick > and dirty) and mom's little website (not much data). :) > > mcg > > > > > > > Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 01/02/2007 09:02 AM > > Please respond to > discussion@acfug.org > > > To discussion@acfug.org > > cc > > Subject > Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > > > > > XML is typicaly there for storage of information in a homogenous way. > John's suggestion of WDDX makes short hand of CFML constructs and is > adaptable to JS and XML format. > > XML is used for configuration files, datasources and webservices just as a > couple of examples. > > A lot of Flex examples use XML as a way to have a datasource for demo code > without needing a remote call. > > If the test is for demo only, XML datasources work nicely. > > Teddy > > > On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > For this project, a) I'm learning it, b) figured it would be easier to deal > with than creating a database and dealing with the ISP. But for another > project, I'm looking at using it for faking that a prototype is working for > demo purposes - namely because the database is REALLY complex. > > mcg > > > > > > > > > "Chris C. Cooper" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 01/02/2007 08:40 AM > > > Please respond to > discussion@acfug.org > > > > > To discussion@acfug.org > > cc > > Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > > > > > > > > What is a practical use for XML? What kind of situation would call for > using it? > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Powell > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:54 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > Also, I would suggest Jeff Peters'
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF
Very true; it's "Monday", gimme a break. Not enough caffeine and loud music yet. :) mcg Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 10:10 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF well technically speaking wddx is xml...;) On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will be using CF to get things in and out, just not sure of the best > logic. I'm been looking at the docs plus some other sites out there and > copying code snippets. Hoping it will set up some of the page flow for > later on. Come on, trying to learn stuff here. :) > > mcg > > > > > > > > Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 01/02/2007 09:23 AM > > > Please respond to > discussion@acfug.org > > > To discussion@acfug.org > > cc > > Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > > > > > If you are faking something for demo data use WDDX, it will be a whole > lot easier to use in CF. > > On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Like I said, for faking things for demo purposes (figured it would be > quick > > and dirty) and mom's little website (not much data). :) > > > > mcg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > 01/02/2007 09:02 AM > > > > Please respond to > > discussion@acfug.org > > > > > > To discussion@acfug.org > > > > cc > > > > Subject > > Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > > > > > > > > > > > XML is typicaly there for storage of information in a homogenous way. > > John's suggestion of WDDX makes short hand of CFML constructs and is > > adaptable to JS and XML format. > > > > XML is used for configuration files, datasources and webservices just as > a > > couple of examples. > > > > A lot of Flex examples use XML as a way to have a datasource for demo > code > > without needing a remote call. > > > > If the test is for demo only, XML datasources work nicely. > > > > Teddy > > > > > > On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > For this project, a) I'm learning it, b) figured it would be easier to > deal > > with than creating a database and dealing with the ISP. But for another > > project, I'm looking at using it for faking that a prototype is working > for > > demo purposes - namely because the database is REALLY complex. > > > > mcg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chris C. Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > 01/02/2007 08:40 AM > > > > > > Please respond to > > discussion@acfug.org > > > > > > > > > > To discussion@acfug.org > > > > cc > > > > Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is a practical use for XML? What kind of situation would call for > > using it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew > Powell > > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:54 PM > > To: discussion@acfug.org > > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > > > Also, I would suggest Jeff Peters' book on the CF XML Object: > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts.50984013 > > > > ap > > > > > > On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Andrew Powell wrote: > > > > > > 1. Read the XML file with CFFILE > > 2. Parse the xml string with xmlParse() > > --optional, but recommended-- narrow your XML document down to an array > of > > of your data elements using xmlSearch() and the xPath to your data > > 3. loop over data and do what you will with it (conditionals to check, > > etc.) > > 4. write it back to the server or whatever storage space you are using > > (database, etc.) > > > > As far as writing back the whole XML doc, that may be a matter of not > using > > xmlSearch() and working with the whole document instead. I'm not sure if > > xmlSearch() returns its array by reference or by value. Someone else may > be > > able to clear this up. In the livedocs someone says that searches on the > > same XML doc are NOT thread-safe within a shared scope. This leads me to > > think that the array returned by xmlSearch() is returned is a reference > to > > the original xml doc. If that is the case, then you can just manipulate > that > > data in the array that xmlsearch() returns and then write the original > xml > > back to a string with changes intact. I would not write it to an array of > > structs or a query if you're going to write back as XML to the server or > > database. Just manipulate the original XML doc and save the processing of > > conversion. > > > > To write it back to the server, you just toString(myXMLObj) within your > > CFFILE action="write" tag. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:12 PM, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I've not really wo
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF
I will be using CF to get things in and out, just not sure of the best logic. I'm been looking at the docs plus some other sites out there and copying code snippets. Hoping it will set up some of the page flow for later on. Come on, trying to learn stuff here. :) mcg Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 09:23 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF If you are faking something for demo data use WDDX, it will be a whole lot easier to use in CF. On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Like I said, for faking things for demo purposes (figured it would be quick > and dirty) and mom's little website (not much data). :) > > mcg > > > > > > > Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 01/02/2007 09:02 AM > > Please respond to > discussion@acfug.org > > > To discussion@acfug.org > > cc > > Subject > Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > > > > > XML is typicaly there for storage of information in a homogenous way. > John's suggestion of WDDX makes short hand of CFML constructs and is > adaptable to JS and XML format. > > XML is used for configuration files, datasources and webservices just as a > couple of examples. > > A lot of Flex examples use XML as a way to have a datasource for demo code > without needing a remote call. > > If the test is for demo only, XML datasources work nicely. > > Teddy > > > On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For this project, a) I'm learning it, b) figured it would be easier to deal > with than creating a database and dealing with the ISP. But for another > project, I'm looking at using it for faking that a prototype is working for > demo purposes - namely because the database is REALLY complex. > > mcg > > > > > > > > > "Chris C. Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 01/02/2007 08:40 AM > > > Please respond to > discussion@acfug.org > > > > > To discussion@acfug.org > > cc > > Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > > > > > > > > What is a practical use for XML? What kind of situation would call for > using it? > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Powell > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:54 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF > > Also, I would suggest Jeff Peters' book on the CF XML Object: > > http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts.50984013 > > ap > > > On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Andrew Powell wrote: > > > 1. Read the XML file with CFFILE > 2. Parse the xml string with xmlParse() > --optional, but recommended-- narrow your XML document down to an array of > of your data elements using xmlSearch() and the xPath to your data > 3. loop over data and do what you will with it (conditionals to check, > etc.) > 4. write it back to the server or whatever storage space you are using > (database, etc.) > > As far as writing back the whole XML doc, that may be a matter of not using > xmlSearch() and working with the whole document instead. I'm not sure if > xmlSearch() returns its array by reference or by value. Someone else may be > able to clear this up. In the livedocs someone says that searches on the > same XML doc are NOT thread-safe within a shared scope. This leads me to > think that the array returned by xmlSearch() is returned is a reference to > the original xml doc. If that is the case, then you can just manipulate that > data in the array that xmlsearch() returns and then write the original xml > back to a string with changes intact. I would not write it to an array of > structs or a query if you're going to write back as XML to the server or > database. Just manipulate the original XML doc and save the processing of > conversion. > > To write it back to the server, you just toString(myXMLObj) within your > CFFILE action="write" tag. > > > > > On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:12 PM, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I've not really worked with XML and CF. I've gotten some basics down, and > have looked, but am iffy on my logic. > -You read the XML file > -Read the length of the data from the XmlChildren array > -Loop over the parsed XML to put things into a query > -Output data or whatever > -Now to get a specific 'record', you do the same above, except putting an > if statement in your loop to add things your query (or select the specific > item in the query) > -To add/ modify/ delete things, you do whatever to the query, convert it to > XML (or modify the XML object itself) and then rewrite the XML file > This sounds cludgy to me, I've got to be missing something. What if you > have a large dataset (which I won't in this case)? > Thanks, > mcg > (Yes it's New Year's Day, but working on mom's website, and the USC - MICH > game isn't terribly interesting) > > > ---
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF
Like I said, for faking things for demo purposes (figured it would be quick and dirty) and mom's little website (not much data). :) mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 09:02 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF XML is typicaly there for storage of information in a homogenous way. John's suggestion of WDDX makes short hand of CFML constructs and is adaptable to JS and XML format. XML is used for configuration files, datasources and webservices just as a couple of examples. A lot of Flex examples use XML as a way to have a datasource for demo code without needing a remote call. If the test is for demo only, XML datasources work nicely. Teddy On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For this project, a) I'm learning it, b) figured it would be easier to deal with than creating a database and dealing with the ISP. But for another project, I'm looking at using it for faking that a prototype is working for demo purposes - namely because the database is REALLY complex. mcg "Chris C. Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 08:40 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF What is a practical use for XML? What kind of situation would call for using it? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Powell Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:54 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF Also, I would suggest Jeff Peters' book on the CF XML Object: http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts.50984013 ap On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Andrew Powell wrote: 1. Read the XML file with CFFILE 2. Parse the xml string with xmlParse() --optional, but recommended-- narrow your XML document down to an array of of your data elements using xmlSearch() and the xPath to your data 3. loop over data and do what you will with it (conditionals to check, etc.) 4. write it back to the server or whatever storage space you are using (database, etc.) As far as writing back the whole XML doc, that may be a matter of not using xmlSearch() and working with the whole document instead. I'm not sure if xmlSearch() returns its array by reference or by value. Someone else may be able to clear this up. In the livedocs someone says that searches on the same XML doc are NOT thread-safe within a shared scope. This leads me to think that the array returned by xmlSearch() is returned is a reference to the original xml doc. If that is the case, then you can just manipulate that data in the array that xmlsearch() returns and then write the original xml back to a string with changes intact. I would not write it to an array of structs or a query if you're going to write back as XML to the server or database. Just manipulate the original XML doc and save the processing of conversion. To write it back to the server, you just toString(myXMLObj) within your CFFILE action="write" tag. On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've not really worked with XML and CF. I've gotten some basics down, and have looked, but am iffy on my logic. -You read the XML file -Read the length of the data from the XmlChildren array -Loop over the parsed XML to put things into a query -Output data or whatever -Now to get a specific 'record', you do the same above, except putting an if statement in your loop to add things your query (or select the specific item in the query) -To add/ modify/ delete things, you do whatever to the query, convert it to XML (or modify the XML object itself) and then rewrite the XML file This sounds cludgy to me, I've got to be missing something. What if you have a large dataset (which I won't in this case)? Thanks, mcg (Yes it's New Year's Day, but working on mom's website, and the USC - MICH game isn't terribly interesting) - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF
For this project, a) I'm learning it, b) figured it would be easier to deal with than creating a database and dealing with the ISP. But for another project, I'm looking at using it for faking that a prototype is working for demo purposes - namely because the database is REALLY complex. mcg "Chris C. Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 08:40 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF What is a practical use for XML? What kind of situation would call for using it? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Powell Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:54 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF Also, I would suggest Jeff Peters' book on the CF XML Object: http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts.50984013 ap On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Andrew Powell wrote: 1. Read the XML file with CFFILE 2. Parse the xml string with xmlParse() --optional, but recommended-- narrow your XML document down to an array of of your data elements using xmlSearch() and the xPath to your data 3. loop over data and do what you will with it (conditionals to check, etc.) 4. write it back to the server or whatever storage space you are using (database, etc.) As far as writing back the whole XML doc, that may be a matter of not using xmlSearch() and working with the whole document instead. I'm not sure if xmlSearch() returns its array by reference or by value. Someone else may be able to clear this up. In the livedocs someone says that searches on the same XML doc are NOT thread-safe within a shared scope. This leads me to think that the array returned by xmlSearch() is returned is a reference to the original xml doc. If that is the case, then you can just manipulate that data in the array that xmlsearch() returns and then write the original xml back to a string with changes intact. I would not write it to an array of structs or a query if you're going to write back as XML to the server or database. Just manipulate the original XML doc and save the processing of conversion. To write it back to the server, you just toString(myXMLObj) within your CFFILE action="write" tag. On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've not really worked with XML and CF. I've gotten some basics down, and have looked, but am iffy on my logic. -You read the XML file -Read the length of the data from the XmlChildren array -Loop over the parsed XML to put things into a query -Output data or whatever -Now to get a specific 'record', you do the same above, except putting an if statement in your loop to add things your query (or select the specific item in the query) -To add/ modify/ delete things, you do whatever to the query, convert it to XML (or modify the XML object itself) and then rewrite the XML file This sounds cludgy to me, I've got to be missing something. What if you have a large dataset (which I won't in this case)? Thanks, mcg (Yes it's New Year's Day, but working on mom's website, and the USC - MICH game isn't terribly interesting) - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
[ACFUG Discuss] XML & CF
I've not really worked with XML and CF. I've gotten some basics down, and have looked, but am iffy on my logic. -You read the XML file-Read the length of the data from the XmlChildren array-Loop over the parsed XML to put things into a query-Output data or whatever -Now to get a specific 'record', you do the same above, except putting an if statement in your loop to add things your query (or select the specific item in the query) -To add/ modify/ delete things, you do whatever to the query, convert it to XML (or modify the XML object itself) and then rewrite the XML file This sounds cludgy to me, I've got to be missing something. What if you have a large dataset (which I won't in this case)? Thanks, mcg(Yes it's New Year's Day, but working on mom's website, and the USC - MICH game isn't terribly interesting) -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF. Object oriented & its future. General Questions.
I know I am REALLY late getting into this, but I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. Where do you want to be in the next 5 years? Still being a grunt coder, just being told what to code by project leaders? If you want to just be a gunt programmer that can charge more, are you looking to just build your resume (either by language, database, graphical skills, etc.) ? Leading teams of coders? If so, in what role do you want to lead them? Just divving up tasks (with application parameters already given to you)? Application desgn (Structure/ framework/ graphical design) of applications? What about just being an architect lead, that decides what technologies (hardware, database/ CSS/ script, etc. ) to use, consultant like? Obviously some of these terms (architect, lead, senior, team, design, etc.) will vary from company to company. Check some place like computerjobs.com to see some wariances. What about the guy that just is the liason between the project manager (either internal or external) or consultant and the developers, deciding how long projects should take and such other parameters of the project (depending on the project parameters)? Or do you want to go into more of a mangerial role and pulling away from coding? Going more into the technical consultant or a project manager role? Look ahead as to where you want to be later on, not just next month. mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 12/28/2006 11:27PMSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF. Object oriented & its future. General Questions.Ah, fair enough. No harm. At least now it's clear to folks what you're hope was and they can decide how to respond. Thanks. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ajas Mohammed Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:02 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF. Object oriented & its future. General Questions. oops... sorry about that.. Only reason I asked was because i thought people might not have noticed them because we had so much discussion about CFC's & also because many clients ask for design skills (template work) + CF and I just wanted to get idea what ppl think about the design. I am sorry if I sounded too pushy...I wont do it again... Apologies. Ajas. - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Spam Filtering Tools
But Outlook does really well for synching up with a with a Pocket PC PDA, if that is also part of the issue. Don't think that Thunderbird does synching (last I looked, a while back). Don't think that Gmail is there either, although I am waiting patiently. And don't get me into Lotus Notes synching. mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/27/2006 01:16 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Spam Filtering Tools The only time that I use Outlook is for when I am at the office. The Exchange server has a spam filter. I do not trust Outlook with my contacts. For my professional and personal accounts, I have a Google Mail (gmail) account which has a good filter for spam and not allowing picture downloads unless you request them. The standard tip for spam is never use the "Unsubscribe" feature unless it was a service you originally signed up for. I am not sure that helps you, but when I must use Outlook I will relay it through my gmail and then forward the email after it has processed the spam through to Outlook. Teddy On 12/27/06, Clarke Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like I'm getting more and more spam these days. Do any of you have spam filtering tools that are working well for you and will integrate with Outlook? Clarke - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Client talking points
What about support? I know CF has a large community as well (AKA free support). What about BlueDragon (if you don't already have an Adobe CF server)? We had a customer say that they didn't want a calendar in our application because it would take to long to program. Um, cfcalendar anyone? mcg Clarke Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/2006 11:25 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Client talking points Hi Seth. I am first and foremost a business guy. I'm currently managing projects in both .Net and ColdFusion. Of course, both work great and can be used to create nearly any application. Unless there's a compelling reason to use .Net (The project is for Microsoft or there's some other religious commitment to .Net), I prefer ColdFusion. The only downside is the extra cost to license CF, but this is quickly made up through: - Faster Development - Lower Cost Development - In general, CF developers with comparable capabilities are less expensive than their .Net counterparts. I don't have any stats for you, but this is the bottom line: Faster, Cheaper, and Just as Good. Clarke From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tepfer, Seth Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:05 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Client talking points I have been in the preliminary stages with a client. I had set up an extensive project charter and a prototype website. Suddenly this client emails me last night and says ?I think I should be using .net instead of ColdFusion. Let?s meet on Thursday afternoon and discuss this? I am looking for some quick and dirty speaking points to say why CF over other languages (including .net). The obvious ones to me are * rapid development * ease of maintenance * less time in development/maintenance = lower bottom line * other? * stats to justify this? I do not want to start a flame war over .net versus CF. I?m just looking for speaking points (perhaps with some URLs for reference for some useful statistics). Any help would be appreciated. If this has been done previously and is archived in an FAQ, please point me in the right direction. I didn?t see clear case justification at the Adobe/MM site ? is it there and I just missed it? Thanks. Seth - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Client talking points
Simply google coldfusion vs. ".net". You'll get a number of articles and such. I believe Forta's site has a list, but I can't seem to get there at the moment. mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/2006 10:53 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Client talking points Seth, You also have to look at your selling point. The client did not make this decision on his/her own. Someone has influenced this person. Are you primarily a CF developer? This may be a deal breaker if you cannot deliver the product in the same amount of time as if it was written in CF. Just real quick: CF can be deployed using more than just Microsoft products, so legacy support and future hybrid network topologies is possible. Teddy On 12/7/06, Tepfer, Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have been in the preliminary stages with a client. I had set up an extensive project charter and a prototype website. Suddenly this client emails me last night and says "I think I should be using .net instead of ColdFusion. Let's meet on Thursday afternoon and discuss this" I am looking for some quick and dirty speaking points to say why CF over other languages (including .net). The obvious ones to me are * rapid development * ease of maintenance * less time in development/maintenance = lower bottom line * other? * stats to justify this? I do not want to start a flame war over .net versus CF. I'm just looking for speaking points (perhaps with some URLs for reference for some useful statistics). Any help would be appreciated. If this has been done previously and is archived in an FAQ, please point me in the right direction. I didn't see clear case justification at the Adobe/MM site ? is it there and I just missed it? Thanks. Seth - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Atlanta CFUG (ACFUG): http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
re: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit
I think it looks like cows flying Ok, I've had a bad day. Cows Flying would be a nice change. mcg Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/30/2006 03:02 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To Web Site cc Subject re: [ACFUG Discuss] First try at a real CF edit Just a hunch, try to add (), like so: $orderitem.getPartNumber() /m > I am sorry if this question seems so incredibly simple but I am lost as to what to do. I need to make an edit to a CF file. It has listed in some cells that create an email that is an order sheet for us from an AbleCommerce cart. [code] $orderItem.getSKU() $orderItem.getName()$orderItem.getLineMessage() $LocaleUtils.formatCurrency($store,$orderItem.getUnitPrice(),"",true) $orderItem.getQuantity() [/code] The question is: That I need the equivalent of a $orderitem.getPartNumber For the first row to replace the However when I revise that line of code to: $orderitem.getPartNumber I get: $orderitem.getPartNumber? inside the cell output. What is happening? Why is it happening? How do I fix it? This app is CF on top of a Java app. I wonder if the $orderitem.getPartNumber is a Java command and I should be doing this some other way? Any and all help would be appreciated. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com < Mischa Uppelschoten The Banker's Exchange, Inc. 2020 Hills Avenue NW Atlanta, GA 30318 Phone:(404) 605-0100 ext. 10 Fax:(404) 355-7930 Web:www.BankersX.com Follow this link for Instant Web Chat: http://www.bankersx.com/Contact/chat.cfm?Queue=MUPPELSCHOTEN - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF serving platform
Honestly it depends on your environment and what your team knows best. If you are a Windows shop, throwing in a *nix box may not be the best thing, unless you have a uber *nix weenie in house. On the opposite side of the fence, if you have a *nix shop, go with that. It all boils down to cost. Cost can be support, purchases, training or time. You may have to hire new employees to support your server(s) as well. Cost. mcg Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/28/2006 09:44 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF serving platform Just remember if you pick Sun you cant run a supported copy of CF on the x86 architecture. You have to run Sparc on Solaris. On 11/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a matter of performance, Solaris seems to be the best option. On > windows & linux the max amount of memory available to a JVM instance > is about 1.25GB. That number goes up to 3GB on Solaris. I'm not > going to get into the Sun conspiracy theories here, but that is the > performance difference I've seen. > > ap > > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Anthony Mathis wrote: > > > For four years it was windows 2000 Advanced server. Last year we > > decided to try Linux (Ubuntu). Coldfusion works better with Debian > > base > > linux, for me anyway. Been loving cf on linux ever since. > > > > On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 20:11 -0500, Alex Pilson wrote: > >> I am looking at new opportunities and thought I would pose a question > >> to the CF community here. What seems to be the platform of choice for > >> most CF developers to serve from? Windows or Linux? Or something > >> else? > >> > >> Thank you for your time. > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > > List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com > > - > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com > - > > > > -- Steven Ross web application & interface developer http://www.zerium.com [mobile] 404-488-4364 [fax] 928-484-4364 - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
[ACFUG Discuss] CF Articles
For those that don't get Techrepublic.com's Web Development emails, this week's featured ColdFusion, along with ColdSpring, Model-Glue and CFMMaker software. This may require a registration to read the articles, but it is free; and they have some great stuff on their site, if you haven't been there before. http://nl.com.com/view_online_newsletter.jsp?list_id=e055 Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Best Image upload tag (manipulate, etc.)?
I don't have any links right on hand, but just do some Googling for JAI (Java Advanced Imaging) and ColdFusion. mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 11/03/2006 02:45PMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Best Image upload tag (manipulate, etc.)?No, has not changed...it's the tag used to upload the file. Preica On 11/3/06, Dusty Hale < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: I know that used to not let you perform image manipulation. Has that changed with new cf versions? Anyone? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Precia Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 2:17 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Best Image upload tag (manipulate, etc.)? On 11/3/06, Derrick Peavy < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Wondering about your mileage... What is the best, most flexible image upload tag you have used? Free is not a requirement in this case. But solid, no known bugs and fast execution are a must. Would also like: image resize, take a 1 MB photo someone uploads and make it smaller without changing the size (H or W). file type restriction (easy, I know) multiple files uploaded at once Important - tag needs to work in either Cold Fusion or Blue Dragon and have been tested in Firefox and Safari (at least), in addition to IE. _ Derrick Peavy Sales and Web Services Universal Advertising ___ - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Client side
Would something like this be useful? http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html mcg Dave Bellevue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/27/2006 12:03 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Client side Short story is that we 'deliver' applications to machines in a corporate environment by initiating pulls via Marimba. We were doing this with .NET, and were able to gather information about the machine and verify that all the things were in place before a user requested an app - getting the machine name allowed us to track what was delivered, verifying that the correct processes were running so that the app would actually be delivered, a value stored in the registry told us that the machine was actually a valid corporate image. In this 'new' environment, we don't have the .net framework installed on the client side, and have machines that may not even be able to run it... Currently we aren't able to get ANY info off of the client. The more information we are able to gather, the better we can target the machine. Make any sense? Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:03 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Client side You can't trust any client side information... so why are HTTP headers any less reliable than getting data from the registry? Also, what kind of data you get depends on the access level of the user. I wouldn't let just any code run client side and collect that type of information, its usually a hallmark of spyware. What exactly are you trying to do? -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt On Oct 27, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Dave Bellevue wrote: > I've been away from CF for a while, but am coming back into MX7 > > Need to know what is the best (and/or easiest) way run code on the > client machine - we need to gather information from the registry, find > things like the machine name (http header vars are not reliable) and > determine if processes are running and then pass that info into a > page. > > Thanks, > Dave Bellevue > > > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ > http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com > - > > > - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] For those of us left at home.....
Oh, the week isn't over yet. I'm sure you're on film somewhere. Even if it is dancing on the table in the bar (again). ;-) mcg Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/2006 01:27 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] For those of us left at home. Wahoo...I didn't end up in them. PC On 10/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For those who didn't get to Max, we can live vicariously through Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/groups/max2006/pool/ mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] For those of us left at home.....
For those who didn't get to Max, we can live vicariously through Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/groups/max2006/pool/ mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] CFCPowerTools
Saw this today and just wanted to know if anyone has used this before? http://cfcpowertools.com It creates your CFCs and forms in various formats. Looks nice and is really affordable. mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Search functions
Yeah, that would be nice, but this is the gubbment. Adding in hardware just isn't going to happen. Especially not when they just have rolled out Northern Light. mcg Ben Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/04/2006 01:50 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Search functions You might also want to check out the Google Mini, especially if you're going the file-on-server route. I did not have fun with CF's Verity, nor Lindex (CFMX 6). Both had poor admin interfaces, and did not provide results that our users trusted. Also, neither one allowed for spidering, which seems like a no-brainer. Also, it's nice to have a dedicated appliance for search, to allow you to re-index without worrying about slowing down your web servers or taking up disk space with large collections. Dont' have any ideas about Oracle Search or blobbing, but I'd guess if you were going to use blobs, Oracle Search would probably be the best at searching the data. Ben On 10/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are looking at either storing files on a server somewhere (and no "file server" anywhere, so they would have to be synched via PeerSync) or in the database as blobs (Oracle). The fun part of this is that we want to put in a search functionality. We are looking at CF's Verity (potentially Northern Light) and Oracle Search. Any ideas on the performance between them? Also any ideas on the performance of putting a document back together from a blob? Thanks, mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] Search functions
We are looking at either storing files on a server somewhere (and no "file server" anywhere, so they would have to be synched via PeerSync) or in the database as blobs (Oracle). The fun part of this is that we want to put in a search functionality. We are looking at CF's Verity (potentially Northern Light) and Oracle Search. Any ideas on the performance between them? Also any ideas on the performance of putting a document back together from a blob? Thanks, mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
Well technically the EPA only supports
IE 6, but lots of people around here use FF, but I live in the IT world
over here. But also they are big on pushing auto updates out. And
I would think that those that have autoupdates IE 7 would be pushed out
(at least to XP users). So a good chunk of your users might end up
with IE7 (depending on your XP usage).
mcg
Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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*raises hand* :) we are also officially still
on Office 97 too. I'm actually sort of spoiled though, as we officially
only support IE 6 on our intranet where I do all my work. So I can
sit in the stands and watch the CSS death matches.
DK
On 10/4/06, allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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IE6 won't be going anywhere for a long
time - do you really think corporate america will upgrade the minute 7
is final?
Who is running win2k in 2006? :)
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Yeah i follow this same track... easier for
me to get it right
(epecially since ie 6 will go away at some point) and support the
standards then hack backwards to get IE compatibility.
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> Yes, when it comes to CSS, IE stinks. You can write relatively
standard
> code in Firefox (heck even Safari), and standards are good. But
since the
> majority of people choose IE, you then have to come up with fixes.
Probably
> more time consuming, but I start in FF, to get more standard oriented
code.
> Then I go to IE to make things work there. Usually cursing
how bad it's
> standards support is. Bias, no.
>
> mcg
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> allen <
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> Dan - I have to disagree with you :) As someone who has been doing
html
> since it started, my advice is always to either:
> a. work in IE because if you get it right there, you can get
it right
> anywhere
> b. check both at the same time.
>
> Checking Firefox only will cause more time/work on you in the
long run.
>
> Of course, as my first professor said, there are 1,000 ways
to utica. :)
>
> Also, technically to save a line of code - you could bring the
margin-left
> and right into one line of code. And you could also do:
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> margin: top right bottom left
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> so a typical default is:
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> margin: 0 auto auto auto
>
> -- Allen
> http://www.htmlcenter.com
> http://www.centernetworks.com
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>
>
> Mary Catherine is right about adding to the CSS definition text-align:
> center; (I was a little too quick in my reply)
>
>
>
> #MyDiv
>
> {
>
> margin-left: auto;
> margin-right: auto;
>
> }
>
>
>
> Body
>
> {
>
> text-align: center;
>
> }
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In general remember Google is your friend. Just Google for CSS
Center
>
>
>
> Next, remember you can always View/Page Source for any web page. You
see a
> site that uses CSS, view the page source, if the style sheet is "linked"
> just copy the path, it will be in the section, paste
this back into
> your browser and you'll be looking at their CSS for that page/site.
Study
> it to see how they positioned and styled elements, etc.
>
>
>
> The biggest headache you'll have is with IE. The problem here is IE
often
> follows its own rules and not strict W3C guidelines. So you'll do
a page,
> developing with IE and think GREAT it works, only to see the site
with
> Netscape or Firefox and it has blown up. This has been my personal
nemesis.
> Until I SWITCHED TO FIREFOX. It really is a better browser.
Now I develop
> my CSS using Firefox and then "tweak" it to work with IE's
quirks.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
>
>
> Dan Kaufman
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:12 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
>
>
>
>
> I believe that you have to use margin: auto (or at least right
and left)
> for it to play nice in IE. You may also have to put a container
around your
> div with text-align:center. Or you can add that to your BODY
tag. (I'm a
> little rusty on this myself)
>
> mcg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dusty Hale < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 10/03/2006 03:59 PM
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>
> Please respond
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
Yes, when it comes to CSS, IE stinks.
You can write relatively standard code in Firefox (heck even Safari),
and standards are good. But since the majority of people choose IE,
you then have to come up with fixes. Probably more time consuming,
but I start in FF, to get more standard oriented code. Then I go
to IE to make things work there. Usually cursing how bad it's standards
support is. Bias, no.
mcg
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Dan - I have to disagree with you :) As
someone who has been doing html since it started, my advice is always to
either:
a. work in IE because if you get it right there, you can get it right anywhere
b. check both at the same time.
Checking Firefox only will cause more time/work on you in the long run.
Of course, as my first professor said, there are 1,000 ways to utica. :)
Also, technically to save a line of code - you could bring the margin-left
and right into one line of code. And you could also do:
margin: top right bottom left
so a typical default is:
margin: 0 auto auto auto
-- Allen
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http://www.centernetworks.com
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From: Dan Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: discussion@acfug.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 4:51:48 PM
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
Dusty,
Mary Catherine is right about
adding to the CSS definition text-align: center; (I was a little
too quick in my reply)
#MyDiv
{
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
}
Body
{
text-align: center;
}
In general remember Google is
your friend. Just Google for CSS Center
Next, remember you can always
View/Page Source for any web page. You see a site that uses CSS,
view the page source, if the style sheet is “linked” just copy the path,
it will be in the section, paste this back into your browser
and you’ll be looking at their CSS for that page/site. Study it
to see how they positioned and styled elements, etc.
The biggest headache you’ll
have is with IE. The problem here is IE often follows its own rules and
not strict W3C guidelines. So you’ll do a page, developing with IE and
think GREAT it works, only to see the site with Netscape or Firefox and
it has blown up. This has been my personal nemesis. Until I
SWITCHED TO FIREFOX. It really is a better browser. Now I develop
my CSS using Firefox and then “tweak” it to work with IE’s quirks.
Good luck,
Dan Kaufman
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:12 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
I believe that you have to use margin: auto (or at least right and left)
for it to play nice in IE. You may also have to put a container around
your div with text-align:center. Or you can add that to your BODY
tag. (I'm a little rusty on this myself)
mcg
Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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10/03/2006 03:59 PM
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[ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
Does anyone know how to center a div using css? I should know this and
maybe just forgot. Google search only produces reference to the text-align
property. I want to center the box on the page not the content inside the
box. For example
Hello World
---
/* css code */
#mydiv { What goes here to make the div box centered on the page.
}
Many thanks,
Dusty
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Issue with return from cfquery
Awww... no fight? I was going to suggest mud wrastling. Ya'll are no fun! ;-) mcg "Dean H. Saxe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/03/2006 04:11 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Issue with return from cfquery /me gets out the battering ram ;-) No, you're right Charlie, I was referring to result sets and the cachedwithin/cachedafter parameters of . -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." --Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials On Oct 3, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Charlie Arehart wrote: > At the risk of taking on Dean in a head-first ram-on-ram head > butt :-), I > want to offer a clarification. > > Dean, you said " explicitly prevents caching of > result sets", > and I think I know what you're getting at, but perhaps some may > misunderstand. > > Use of CFQUERYPARAM doesn't "prevent caching of resultsets". It > does indeed > preclude the *use* of the CachedWithin or CachedAfter attributes in > CFQUERY > (in CFMX, that is, not in BlueDragon), so in that sense it > "prevents" you > trying to use cached results. > > On the other hand, when Benjamin notes that use of CFQUERYPARAM > could lead > to seeming caching of results, I could see that *possibly* being > related to > an entirely different kind of caching: the caching within the > database of > the Query Execution Plan. CFQUERYPARAM does indeed cause the SQL > engine to > use "bind parameters" which lead the database to try to cache the > execution > plan for the query. That said, I don't think it should really cause > the > caching of the *resultset* ever returned from such a cached query > execution > plan, though someone with more experience may correct us on any of > these > matters. > > I just wanted to put in a defense for what Benjamin may have been > getting > it, and clarify as well what Dean may have been meaning to say. OK, > that's > my volley, Dean (to switch analogies from rams to the revolution). > Fire away > while I reload my muzzle. :-) > > /charlie > http://www.carehart.org/blog/ > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. > Saxe > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:10 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Issue with return from cfquery > > Ben, > > explicitly prevents caching of result sets. > > -dhs > > Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the > homeless, > whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of > totalitarianism or > the holy name of liberty and democracy? " > --Gandhi > > > On Oct 3, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Benjamin Bloodworth wrote: > >> Maybe I have the wording wrong, but I have seen the exact same result >> set returned when was used in a query with different >> values. >> Breaking the connection in the datasource cleared it up. >> >> Sql Server will also cache result sets if it gets requests for >> what it >> thinks is the exact same query. >> > > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com > - > > > - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
I believe that you have to use margin:
auto (or at least right and left) for it to play nice in IE. You
may also have to put a container around your div with text-align:center.
Or you can add that to your BODY tag. (I'm a little rusty on this
myself)
mcg
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Does anyone know how to center a div using
css? I should know this and maybe just forgot. Google search only produces
reference to the text-align property. I want to center the box on the page
not the content inside the box. For example
Hello World
---
/* css code */
#mydiv { What goes here to make the
div box centered on the page. }
Many thanks,
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Server Questions
And one of the security and at a procurement apps is CF! This will be so much fun. mcg Tom Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/27/2006 08:57 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Server Questions MC Tell them they can contract with me. I've successfully connected my refrigirator, microwave and coffee pot to my CF server. Jeremy once connected a toaster to his PC. I'm sure between the two of us we could take care of things for them. :) Seriously, what is the justification for trying to do what they are asking? I think they are trying to squeeze way too much onto one installation. Heaven forbid that one box die with everything including the security system and payroll app on it. :) T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The server side of things is definitely not my forte. The powers that > be here are trying to do a few nutty things. One, they want to run > multiple instances of CF off of one instance of JRun (same cluster > setup from earlier). Two, they want to combine the CF and Java app > hosting into one server (cluster). Now the Java apps seem to do a > good bit of processing on their own servers right now, and not like > the we've just got a couple of itsy-bitsy CF apps either. Are there > resources out there (other than the docs) that talk about optimum > setups and what can and can't be good bed fellows (anyone have a CF > architecture dissertation handy)? > > Thanks, > > Mary-Catherine > - > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > List hosted by FusionLink > - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Server Questions
Thanks for the response. I have a feeling that the guy in charge will force this to happen. He has already merged the public and intranet staging environments into one cluster. Like you said, this will probably be turned on and then he will be surprised to see what happens. The Java stuff is currently on a *nix server of some sort. And they think it will be a snap to move all that to Windows. I'm sure with small to medium apps, and in limited numbers, all this would work. But there are some large application with heavy duty processing. Yes this is getting a new box so the 2 in the cluster will be hefty machines, but still. With the Java apps, you will have two groups vying for various settings for optimization. If CF goes awry and the box needs rebooting, the Java apps suffer as well. Meaning more ticked off customers. Meaning the contractors get yelled at. mcg Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/27/2006 02:18 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Server Questions Well, sounds like someone is getting paid big bucks in the architecture seat. hehe. 'One, they want to run multiple instances of CF off of one instance of JRun ' I suppose that is doable, I've never seen it before though myself, nor have I heard anyone doing this. I don't see a real advantage. Maybe its easier to play the 'pass the WAR' game though, giving the ability to have one WAR per application, standard in the J2EE world. Seeing how in the end this is all about how J2EE apps perform and play nice together, I'd say its similar to all the J2EE performance stuffs. More than a disssertaions worth of data out there on that. Get out your jvmstat tool and load tester, eh? Or do it like we do...just turn it on and see what happens :) I'm abit spoiled working on intranet apps though. I don't want to subtract from this forum any, but the cf-server list at houseoffusion.com may have someone on it with expereince in this. Its a very low volume list and sometimes gets some good responses. DK On 9/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The server side of things is definitely not my forte. The powers that be here are trying to do a few nutty things. One, they want to run multiple instances of CF off of one instance of JRun (same cluster setup from earlier). Two, they want to combine the CF and Java app hosting into one server (cluster). Now the Java apps seem to do a good bit of processing on their own servers right now, and not like the we've just got a couple of itsy-bitsy CF apps either. Are there resources out there (other than the docs) that talk about optimum setups and what can and can't be good bed fellows (anyone have a CF architecture dissertation handy)? Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] Server Questions
The server side of things is definitely not my forte. The powers that be here are trying to do a few nutty things. One, they want to run multiple instances of CF off of one instance of JRun (same cluster setup from earlier). Two, they want to combine the CF and Java app hosting into one server (cluster). Now the Java apps seem to do a good bit of processing on their own servers right now, and not like the we've just got a couple of itsy-bitsy CF apps either. Are there resources out there (other than the docs) that talk about optimum setups and what can and can't be good bed fellows (anyone have a CF architecture dissertation handy)? Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Client? Session?
Yep, just making sure your definition matched my definition. :) mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/27/2006 09:47 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Client? Session? Complex data would be arrays, structures, queries, objects ..etc. Client variables can store simple data like strings, integers, boolean ...etc. I hope that makes sense, Teddy On 9/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: In general it seems to me that the rule is that once a user is on a server, they are on the same server. Define complex data. I potentially see structures and possibly an occasional object in the shared scope, but honestly I don't know yet. We don't officially have any code written. mcg Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/26/2006 08:04 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Client? Session? Yeah it depends on how you want your requests routed... it is my understanding that if you want the machines to round robin each request then you need to do client variables, if you don't care and you just want users to stay on one server then you can use sessions. On 9/26/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you looking to store complex data in your shared scope? If so, you need > some sort of sticky session solution. If you are looking to store simple > data, using the datasource option of client variable storeage would make it > easier to switch over between servers. > > Teddy > > > On 9/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm a little confused as to what scope of variables to use in our > situation. We have a primary server and a 'backup' server in case the > primary fails. Now that is the current situation. Eventually the backup > will be replaced with a better machine and the load will be balanced a > little more evenly. Currently the balancing is done via Resonate software > (and no one seems to like it). As far as 100% failover, I really don't see > that as a necessity, these aren't banking applications. Also these servers > don't talk to each other that I know of. > > > > TIA > > > > Mary-Catherine > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > > Archive @ > http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > > List hosted by FusionLink > > > - > > > > -- > > > Blog: http://cfpayne.wordpress.com/ > Atlanta CFUG: http://www.acfug.org > > - > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > Archive @ > http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > List hosted by FusionLink > - -- Steven Ross web application & interface developer http://www.zerium.com [mobile] 404-488-4364 [fax] 928-484-4364 - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Blog: http://cfpayne.wordpress.com/ Atlanta CFUG: http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Client? Session?
In general it seems to me that the rule is that once a user is on a server, they are on the same server. Define complex data. I potentially see structures and possibly an occasional object in the shared scope, but honestly I don't know yet. We don't officially have any code written. mcg Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/26/2006 08:04 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Client? Session? Yeah it depends on how you want your requests routed... it is my understanding that if you want the machines to round robin each request then you need to do client variables, if you don't care and you just want users to stay on one server then you can use sessions. On 9/26/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you looking to store complex data in your shared scope? If so, you need > some sort of sticky session solution. If you are looking to store simple > data, using the datasource option of client variable storeage would make it > easier to switch over between servers. > > Teddy > > > On 9/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm a little confused as to what scope of variables to use in our > situation. We have a primary server and a 'backup' server in case the > primary fails. Now that is the current situation. Eventually the backup > will be replaced with a better machine and the load will be balanced a > little more evenly. Currently the balancing is done via Resonate software > (and no one seems to like it). As far as 100% failover, I really don't see > that as a necessity, these aren't banking applications. Also these servers > don't talk to each other that I know of. > > > > TIA > > > > Mary-Catherine > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > > Archive @ > http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > > List hosted by FusionLink > > > - > > > > -- > > > Blog: http://cfpayne.wordpress.com/ > Atlanta CFUG: http://www.acfug.org > > - > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > Archive @ > http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > List hosted by FusionLink > - -- Steven Ross web application & interface developer http://www.zerium.com [mobile] 404-488-4364 [fax] 928-484-4364 - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] Client? Session?
I'm a little confused as to what scope of variables to use in our situation. We have a primary server and a 'backup' server in case the primary fails. Now that is the current situation. Eventually the backup will be replaced with a better machine and the load will be balanced a little more evenly. Currently the balancing is done via Resonate software (and no one seems to like it). As far as 100% failover, I really don't see that as a necessity, these aren't banking applications. Also these servers don't talk to each other that I know of. TIA Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Coding Standards
Exactly, I think I can pick through these. And the crappy things might spawn ideas for logical guidelines. mcg Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/2006 06:12 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Coding Standards Yes, but, hey it's a start...for someone to break apart and modify for his or her own use. :) Precia On 9/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks! Good place to start. Guessing there's Fusebox under the hood there? mcg Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/2006 04:17 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Coding Standards Yep...you can go off the 50+ page Coldfusion Standard white paper SBA did. www.sba.gov/aboutsba/cfstandards.doc It's a start. Precia On 9/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone have, or know of a project coding standards/conventions/guide document? Google doesn't seem to be helping, other than giving me Java docs, nothing CF specific. Thanks! Mary-Catherine Gerrey - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Coding Standards
Thanks! Good place to start. Guessing there's Fusebox under the hood there? mcg Precia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/2006 04:17 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Coding Standards Yep...you can go off the 50+ page Coldfusion Standard white paper SBA did. www.sba.gov/aboutsba/cfstandards.doc It's a start. Precia On 9/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone have, or know of a project coding standards/conventions/guide document? Google doesn't seem to be helping, other than giving me Java docs, nothing CF specific. Thanks! Mary-Catherine Gerrey - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] Coding Standards
Does anyone have, or know of a project coding standards/conventions/guide document? Google doesn't seem to be helping, other than giving me Java docs, nothing CF specific. Thanks! Mary-Catherine Gerrey - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Creating MS Word Documents from HTML
Very true. Depends on if you want other people to access it (say intranet docs) as well as what you have access to on the server (policies, policies, *sigh*). mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: "Dean H. Saxe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 09/08/2006 10:15AMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Creating MS Word Documents from HTMLIf you use cflocation, you'll wind up allowing anyone to access the file until its deleted. Store it somewhere outside the webroot and use cffile to serve it.-dhsDean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[U]nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them" --John Perry BarlowOn Sep 8, 2006, at 9:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Recent versions of Word understand HTML. It has some Word specific > CSS and such that the only way I could figure out was to save a > Word doc in HTML and dig through it to find the elements I needed. > Heh, then I tried to move the page numbers from the top to the > bottom and that just did NOT work. Very weird indeed.>> Now as far as getting it where you want, look at building the > document in one (or multiple files, say including headers and > such), producing it say, using CFSAVECONTENT, and then moving the > created file somewhere and then just doing a CFLOCATION to it and > let the browser doing the download part for you.>> mcg>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ->> To: discussion@acfug.org> From: John RR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 09/07/2006 09:40PM> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Creating MS Word Documents from HTML>> What is the best method to generate MS Word documents using CF to open> outside the browser?>> The software environment includes Windows XP, Office 2003, IE 6, > CFMX7, and> SQL Server.>> I have a series of CF form pages which lead to the creation of a > form letter> which opens in MS Word outside of the browser. The code below > allows the> letter to be opened in MS Word outside the browser with a suggested > filename> of DocName. However, when users want to save the document, they are> required to select the file location and document type (*.doc). To > assist> the typical user, how do I set the default file location and > document type> programmatically?>> > > > > xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">>> > > > Print> > >> Thanks,> John> -> To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @> http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform>> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com> -> -> To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @> http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform>> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com> --To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Creating MS Word Documents from HTML
Recent versions of Word understand HTML. It has some Word specific CSS and such that the only way I could figure out was to save a Word doc in HTML and dig through it to find the elements I needed. Heh, then I tried to move the page numbers from the top to the bottom and that just did NOT work. Very weird indeed. Now as far as getting it where you want, look at building the document in one (or multiple files, say including headers and such), producing it say, using CFSAVECONTENT, and then moving the created file somewhere and then just doing a CFLOCATION to it and let the browser doing the download part for you. mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: John RR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 09/07/2006 09:40PMSubject: [ACFUG Discuss] Creating MS Word Documents from HTMLWhat is the best method to generate MS Word documents using CF to openoutside the browser?The software environment includes Windows XP, Office 2003, IE 6, CFMX7, andSQL Server.I have a series of CF form pages which lead to the creation of a form letterwhich opens in MS Word outside of the browser. The code below allows theletter to be opened in MS Word outside the browser with a suggested filenameof DocName. However, when users want to save the document, they arerequired to select the file location and document type (*.doc). To assistthe typical user, how do I set the default file location and document typeprogrammatically? xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> Print Thanks,John-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Embedded CF in Javascript
If you comment out the _javascript_ part and leave just the loops, does the page execute without error? mcg "McTure, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/21/2006 10:52 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Embedded CF in _javascript_ The query does exist and specifically it is the very first piece of code on the page. I’ve sent the code and the CFLOOP is simply to loop through the query return of major categories to populate a dependent secondary drop down with the corresponding sub-categories. Again, this works without error on three CFMX boxes which is why I suspect it may be a CF5 issue with something in the JavaScipt/CFML mix of code. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Arehart Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:37 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Embedded CF in _javascript_ Also, by "embedded CFML code in _javascript_" do you mean simply CFML code that's building _javascript_ in a .cfm template. In that case, it doesn't really matter if it's creating JS or HTML. The error just reflects a problem in the code or config. That said, I can't say I've ever seen "cannot set default query to xxx". I see it's saying it's in a loop. As Teddy says, seeing the code will be interesting. It's also just saying that a query named "Category" doesn't exist. Does it? /charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teddy Payne Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:14 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Embedded CF in _javascript_ We would need to see the code that the error is referring to. Teddy On 8/21/06, McTure, Greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: This is a general question to see if anyone has ran into issues with embedded CFML code in _javascript_ with a page working in CFMX and not in CF5? The code I have works as intended in CFMX but I get the following error on CF5? Any suggestions that anyone may have on the cause and/or resolution of this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Error Diagnostic Information Cannot set default query to CATEGORY A query by this name is not available at this time The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFLOOP), occupying document position (257:1) to (257:76). - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Blog: http://cfpayne.wordpress.com/ Atlanta CFUG: http://www.acfug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] group count ability
Slick man! New bookmark made. :) mcg Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/17/2006 11:06 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] group count ability what DB? If on Oracle you can add a column to your query called say countofcolumntogroupby populated by using a aggregate function as a analytic function COUNT(*) OVER (PARTITION BY columntogroupby ) AS countofcolumnttogeroupby no grouping needed here on the SQL side. Does SQLServer have a similar thing? nice faq on this here http://orafaq.com/node/55 DK On 8/17/06, Seth Tepfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When doing a group on a query, is there a simple way to identify the number of rows in each group/section? That is, rather than prerunning over the query and setting up an array or structure. Perhaps something built in, even? If not, is this something worth asking for? My Section Title - there will #x# rows in this section A single row My section footer - there were #x# rows in this section Oxford College Information Technology (OCIT) Now providing the same great service in a new building with the same telephones and email OCIT House 603 Emory Street - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] group count ability
If you have a GROUP BY in your SQL, see if ROLLUP/WITH ROLLUP (SQL Server/Oracle) helps you out any. mcg Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/17/2006 11:06 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] group count ability That is a good question and would be a useful feature request, I think. I don't believe there to be any such solution for now. (For those who don't know, the CFOUTPUT GROUP is intended to be used with a query that's been ORDERed BY the named ColumnToGroupBy. It then creates in the outer loop one iteration for each unique value of that ColumnToGroupBy, and the inner CFOUTPUT pair creates a loop over every record that has that value.) You can of course easily get the count in the "footer", in that you could have a counter that's initialized in the header and tallied during the inner loop. The "header" section is tougher. The only thing I can think of in the meantime is to either a) do a query of queries (in that header section) against the MyQueryName to find the count of records with the current value or b) [and perhaps what you were alluding to] above the outer loop do a query that gets the count of records for each of all the unique values, and then do an associative array lookup of each value inside that "header" portion of the loop.. But maybe someone has a better solution. I'd be intrigued to hear. /charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Seth Tepfer Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] group count ability When doing a group on a query, is there a simple way to identify the number of rows in each group/section? That is, rather than prerunning over the query and setting up an array or structure. Perhaps something built in, even? If not, is this something worth asking for? My Section Title - there will #x# rows in this section A single row My section footer - there were #x# rows in this section Oxford College Information Technology (OCIT) Now providing the same great service in a new building with the same telephones and email OCIT House 603 Emory Street - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI
Point Of Insanity It's been a LONG day.. mcg Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/17/2006 06:06 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI Whats a POI? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:46 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] POI For those wondering about the context of this discussion, it was moved over from the community list. Here was the first message in the thread, to which these are replies: >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ive added the poi scratchpad jar so i have access to word ole2 stuff. I initially was getting the error seen > here john.lyons-den.org. once i fixed the file input stream, I have a valid poi HDFDocument object. I need to out that object as a pdf any suggestions? /charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:11 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] POI yes:poi-scratchpad-2.5.1-final-20040804.jar exposes the hdf classes. On 8/17/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I do not think too many people are going to know how to use the POI library. Which library JAR did you use? The one from Apache? Teddy - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] Verity and Blobs
We are hoping to be on 7 by the time this launches. There is more than just Verity collections that need to be up to date. People need to be able to download the files as well (from the application itself). mcg Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/14/2006 12:32 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] Verity and Blobs A Verity collection is nothing but a bunch of files on disk. Unless you care a lot about adding documents to your collection "real time", you could change the upload procedure to always upload to one box, refresh your collections on that box and then copy the collections to the other box. If you're running CFMX7 there's a file "monitor" gateway that fires an event when a new file is detected somewhere. If not, I guess it depends on the server OS as far as syncing options. /m > Just looking at all the options. One issue with the current system is a record goes in the database for a file, but is stored as a file on the web server. Unfortunately, we are running a cluster of 2 servers and a file gets uploaded to ONE of the two servers. (They are working on some sync software and currently I don't have the time to write a 'fix') No, there's not a third server out there that I can put files on. I am just looking at options (and reasons not to put files in the database, which I don't like doing either). We are running Oracle. Anyone integrated with Northern Lights search software? That might also be a possibility, but I've never used it before. Thanks, mcg John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/11/2006 01:32 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc SubjectRE: [ACFUG Discuss] Verity and Blobs There are two main uses of verity. 1) Searching files in a directory structure (cfm, pdf, doc, etc) 2) Searching specific text in database sources (like in sourcing items in text or ntext fields) Verity is simply a smaller index database pointing to where the searches are pointing to. Why are they wanted to put the documents into the database? Are they running Sql Server or Oracle to do this? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Ross Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:24 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Verity and Blobs hmm.. I'm not sure on that one... in my experience with verity I didn't choose that direction. I just stored the files outside of the web docroot and indexed them normally. I have an aversion to storing files in the db... I would think it would slow verity down a bit pulling all that data from the db. If Verity can't index files that are stored in the db you may have to end up writing a query to dump all the data to the file system and then run your indexer (now that would be painstaking). The livedocs don't really reveal an answer to you question. http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=1303.htm On 8/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are looking at potentially storing files in the database. I'm not a big fan of that, but it's a possibility. Can Verity index files if they are in the database? Thanks, mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Steven Ross web application & interface developer http://www.zerium.com [phone] 404-488-4364 - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink ---
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Verity and Blobs
Just looking at all the options. One issue with the current system is a record goes in the database for a file, but is stored as a file on the web server. Unfortunately, we are running a cluster of 2 servers and a file gets uploaded to ONE of the two servers. (They are working on some sync software and currently I don't have the time to write a 'fix') No, there's not a third server out there that I can put files on. I am just looking at options (and reasons not to put files in the database, which I don't like doing either). We are running Oracle. Anyone integrated with Northern Lights search software? That might also be a possibility, but I've never used it before. Thanks, mcg John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/11/2006 01:32 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Verity and Blobs There are two main uses of verity. 1) Searching files in a directory structure (cfm, pdf, doc, etc) 2) Searching specific text in database sources (like in sourcing items in text or ntext fields) Verity is simply a smaller index database pointing to where the searches are pointing to. Why are they wanted to put the documents into the database? Are they running Sql Server or Oracle to do this? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Ross Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:24 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Verity and Blobs hmm.. I'm not sure on that one... in my experience with verity I didn't choose that direction. I just stored the files outside of the web docroot and indexed them normally. I have an aversion to storing files in the db... I would think it would slow verity down a bit pulling all that data from the db. If Verity can't index files that are stored in the db you may have to end up writing a query to dump all the data to the file system and then run your indexer (now that would be painstaking). The livedocs don't really reveal an answer to you question. http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=1303.htm On 8/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are looking at potentially storing files in the database. I'm not a big fan of that, but it's a possibility. Can Verity index files if they are in the database? Thanks, mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Steven Ross web application & interface developer http://www.zerium.com [phone] 404-488-4364 - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] Verity and Blobs
We are looking at potentially storing files in the database. I'm not a big fan of that, but it's a possibility. Can Verity index files if they are in the database? Thanks, mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
Or we can go with C-esque. I'm
guessing Robert is getting the point by now. :) It's Friday
man, my brain has checked out.
mcg
Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'll be nitpicky and say _javascript_-esque syntax = )
believe me if it was at all like java you wouldn't use it!
On 7/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
And CFSCRIPT allows you to use Java-esque syntax. Some of us like
this syntax, but it's not necessary. :)
mcg
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Ok, I will try not to confuse you here.
ColdFusion is an interpreted language.
ColdFusion has tags and functions that give instructions to a Java engine.
ColdFusion is a Java application.
You don't need to know Java to be proficient at ColdFusion.
Teddy
On 7/27/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Told you I was new!
Ok so the CF and CFscript wrapper
calls Java objects sometimes is what you are saying.
I can live with that.
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com
, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk
NW
Kennesaw , Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
From: Steven Ross [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:15 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
Are you sure of this? Could they
just be referencing the fact that CF is built on java?
Flexible Development Languages
An assortment of completely working
store templates are provided for you to begin selling quickly and easily.
A variety of templates and code samples are provided for easy customization
of your store's look and feel. Free
Development Kit for download
AbleCommerce 5.5 is written for
3 different languages, and available for Linux or Windows servers.
Microsoft's Asp.Net 1.1 Framework
Macromedia's ColdFusion MX Server
Macromedia JRun Server (JSP-Java
version in beta)
Apache Tomcat (JSP-Java version
in beta)
On 7/27/06, Robert Reil <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Sure but this Able commerce
seems to be a JAVA engine with a GUI web language wrapped around it.
From time to time there are
multiple languages in any CFM page.
But hey what do I know? But
I'm learning!
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com
, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk
NW
Kennesaw , Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
From: Dusty Hale [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:26 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
Also if it is CF script a dead give
away would be if the file with the code in it had a file name with a .cfm
extension …
Dusty
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:07 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
OK got you. Now I have clarity.
Time to crunch code!
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com
, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk
NW
Kennesaw , Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
From: Teddy Payne [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:49 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
lol Doug..that was good geek humor
:)
We did notice the ";" Robert. This is a dead giveaway of
cfscript. Writeoutput can be used in many places, but it is very
commonly used inside of cfscript tags.
Kind of like:
if FileExists("C:\www\images\picture.gif")
{
writeoutput("");
}
else if FileExists("C:\www\images\no_picture.gif")
{
writeoutput("");
}
else
{
writeoutput("");
}
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
And CFSCRIPT allows you to use Java-esque
syntax. Some of us like this syntax, but it's not necessary. :)
mcg
Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
07/27/2006 01:46 PM
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image
shown logic help?
Ok, I will try not to confuse you here.
ColdFusion is an interpreted language.
ColdFusion has tags and functions that give instructions to a Java engine.
ColdFusion is a Java application.
You don't need to know Java to be proficient at ColdFusion.
Teddy
On 7/27/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Told you I was new!
Ok so the CF and CFscript wrapper
calls Java objects sometimes is what you are saying.
I can live with that.
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk
NW
Kennesaw , Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
From: Steven Ross [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:15 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
Are you sure of this? Could they
just be referencing the fact that CF is built on java?
Flexible Development Languages
An assortment of completely working
store templates are provided for you to begin selling quickly and easily.
A variety of templates and code samples are provided for easy customization
of your store's look and feel. Free
Development Kit for download
AbleCommerce 5.5 is written for
3 different languages, and available for Linux or Windows servers.
Microsoft's Asp.Net 1.1 Framework
Macromedia's ColdFusion MX Server
Macromedia JRun Server (JSP-Java
version in beta)
Apache Tomcat (JSP-Java version
in beta)
On 7/27/06, Robert Reil <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Sure but this Able commerce
seems to be a JAVA engine with a GUI web language wrapped around it.
From time to time there are
multiple languages in any CFM page.
But hey what do I know? But
I'm learning!
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk
NW
Kennesaw , Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
From: Dusty Hale [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:26 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
Also if it is CF script a dead give
away would be if the file with the code in it had a file name with a .cfm
extension …
Dusty
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Robert Reil
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:07 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
OK got you. Now I have clarity.
Time to crunch code!
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com,
Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk
NW
Kennesaw , Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
From: Teddy Payne [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:49 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Alternate image shown logic help?
lol Doug..that was good geek humor
:)
We did notice the ";" Robert. This is a dead giveaway of
cfscript. Writeoutput can be used in many places, but it is very
commonly used inside of cfscript tags.
Kind of like:
if FileExists("C:\www\images\picture.gif")
{
writeoutput("");
}
else if FileExists("C:\www\images\no_picture.gif")
{
writeoutput("");
}
else
{
writeoutput("");
}
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] BO
Basically we have people that want a variable set of fields, variable date ranges, rollups, etc. that people randomly want. Some may become regular reports and those ought to be added to the system, but it is the random, ad hoc ones I am trying to keep off my desk, that we all get. And there's already a 'dynamic report' in the old system, and that gets a lot of things. But the new system will, hmm, be terribly dynamic; dang it's just going to be ugly regardless as to what application spits it out. ok, just, nevermind mcg Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/2006 10:53 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] BO lol We use Business Objects around here, but AFAIK we do not integrate directly into it with anything, its a separate dept that I don't interface with much. Business folks use the UI for data mining and such for complex adhoc reports. These reports usually do not warrant using CF to generate as they are useful only to a few people. We have used BO to generate a report that we can then have extracted, imported into another DB, then put CF on it to build static reporting for a large number of users. Probably cheaper then handing out BO licenses, especially when user counts exceed 5000, eh? DK On 7/19/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A message with the subject line of BO really made me wonder. =). I have not integrated Business Objects before with CF. A lot of my clients that use SQL Server use Analysis Services and the Business reporting. Teddy On 7/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone out there used Business Objects and CF? This is the company that bought Crystal Reports. Yes I have heard the complaints about CR. We are just pondering a dynamic report generation module and debating the TCO and implementation costs. We already have Biz Objects here, so that isn't a cost really. Don't think anyone on our team has interfaced even with Crystal, much less Biz Objects, so time for implementation might be more than we'd like. But a CF module could end up rather clunky. Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] BO
Yes, well I was hoping people would read it and respond this time. Yes, I worked for an ad agency. Alas, I now live in an Oracle world, so the MSSQL tools wouldn't float. mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/2006 10:19 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] BO A message with the subject line of BO really made me wonder. =). I have not integrated Business Objects before with CF. A lot of my clients that use SQL Server use Analysis Services and the Business reporting. Teddy On 7/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone out there used Business Objects and CF? This is the company that bought Crystal Reports. Yes I have heard the complaints about CR. We are just pondering a dynamic report generation module and debating the TCO and implementation costs. We already have Biz Objects here, so that isn't a cost really. Don't think anyone on our team has interfaced even with Crystal, much less Biz Objects, so time for implementation might be more than we'd like. But a CF module could end up rather clunky. Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] BO
Anyone out there used Business Objects and CF? This is the company that bought Crystal Reports. Yes I have heard the complaints about CR. We are just pondering a dynamic report generation module and debating the TCO and implementation costs. We already have Biz Objects here, so that isn't a cost really. Don't think anyone on our team has interfaced even with Crystal, much less Biz Objects, so time for implementation might be more than we'd like. But a CF module could end up rather clunky. Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Krugle and CF
God, how much did I drink in DC?!? mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/05/2006 01:20 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Krugle and CF Well, MCG is a little red head, so I nominate her for the fall! T On 7/5/06, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: well, maybe some nominations are in order for next years calendar? :) http://www.itgoddess.info/ DK On 7/5/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > photo evidence from cfunited... mcg included... > > http://flickr.com/photos/cameronc/sets/72157594181043313/ > > On 7/3/06, Teddy Payne < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MCG, > > Indeed, she is not a 50 year old, uber serious developer. If you do not > > believe her, I can send you two or three sites that can show you. =) > > > > Thank you for hanging out with the ACFUG crowd at the conference. You can > > be an honorary member anytime! > > > > With that said, the whole purpose of conferences like CF United is to really > > bring people together that want to share ideas. I have made new friends and > > solidified old ones. I cannot say enough how much that I enjoyed > > interacting with so many people who share the same passion for learning and > > developing. It really does dissolve the dieas that we are just cogs in the > > wheel. > > > > To all those attended, thank you for making the experience more enjoyable. > > > > Cheers, > > Teddy > > > > > > On 7/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > All back from CFUnited and had a blast and learned a lot (and thank you > > > I'm really not 50 years old [insert smileys here]). If you haven't had a > > > chance, take a look at Krugle. It sounds like they are getting to > > > ColdFusion, although I'm sure some of the logic from other languages could > > > simply be treated like a design pattern or prototype: > > > http://blog.krugle.com/?p=129. > > > > > > mcg > > > - > > > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > > > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > > > > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > > > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > > > List hosted by FusionLink < http://www.fusionlink.com> > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > > List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com > > - > > > > > > > > > -- > Cameron Childress > Sumo Consulting Inc > http://www.sumoc.com > --- > cell: 678.637.5072 > aim: cameroncf > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com > - > > > > -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] Krugle and CF
All back from CFUnited and had a blast and learned a lot (and thank you I'm really not 50 years old [insert smileys here]). If you haven't had a chance, take a look at Krugle. It sounds like they are getting to ColdFusion, although I'm sure some of the logic from other languages could simply be treated like a design pattern or prototype: http://blog.krugle.com/?p=129. mcg - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Who's going to CFUnited?
So if I heard things right, Wednesday lunch? Any way there could be a sign, even if it is printer paper that says ACFUG (or can someone just wave at the redhead, lol)? mcg Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2006 01:11 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Who's going to CFUnited? I'll just step up and say I'm not contributing to the coordination because I have just too much going on to take that on, let alone commit to being there. I will try to make it if someone gets it organized. :-) And I'll say as well, for those curious about the weather, that all is fine here. Just arrived tonight by way of BWI. Just normal wet streets, no probs on 95, beltway, or 355. Now in the hotel. All is lovely and calm. We'll be in the hotel most of the time anyway, so let the rains come. We will learn and laugh! /charlie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teddy Payne Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:35 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Who's going to CFUnited? The questions remainsas such: What day does the ACFUG CF United attendees want to meet? Wednesday? There is an internet cafe in the expo area: http://www.cfunited.org/become_sponsor.cfm#expo We need some logistics my friends. =) On 6/26/06, Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That sounds good. On 6/24/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: for sure... most people going their own directions at night so its much easier to get folks tofether at lunch. Sounds good. I didn't even look, are they serving lunch for us? if so we can just agree to find a table together and make that our lunch so we all know who each other are and look like when we bump into each other during the rest of conf... It does look like they are providing lunch. http://www.cfunited.com/faqs.cfm: 3. Are you providing meals? We will only provide coffee in the morning and lunch around noon each day. Dinner is not provided by CFUNITED. For lunch you can indicate on the registration form if you need a vegetarian or kosher meal. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song" - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Who's going to CFUnited?
Thanks, I figured someone on here would know all the details on it. Saw that things were slow, but back open. Hopefully the rain today and tomorrow that is expected will be minimal. Noting to pack travel umbrella and that Macromedia slicker! mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 06/26/2006 01:41PMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Who's going to CFUnited?The CBS report did mention Montgomery county, but it did not mention highway 355. 355 is the main highway that connects eastern Maryland to D.C. 355 is also the road that is by the conference hotel. A lot of areas mentioned in the report are southeast of the conference. Metro lines were delayed and not shut down. This is promising as this will be the primary commute for a lot of the hotels that people are staying at. Metro lines are raised above the ground from Shady Grove to Grosvenor. The White Flint and Bethesda Metro lines are under ground. The Metro rail system is very dependable and will recouperate very quickly. D.C. is my home town. The Washington Metropolitan Area Transportation Authority (WMATA) has been fully restored: http://www.wmata.com http://www.wmata.com/about/met_news/story.cfm?ID=754 Teddy On 6/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Anyone looked at the weather lately for DC? I really hope we don't have to swim from the airport to the hotel... http://www.erh.noaa.gov/ifps/MapClick.php?CityName=Washington&state=DC&site=LWX http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/26/national/main1750635.shtml mcg Howard Fore < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/26/2006 12:45 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Who's going to CFUnited? On 6/26/06, Cameron Childress < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: works for me too. I'd say lunch wed works best so we all know who's who for the rest of the event. I know what hofo looks like, and may recognise a few more, otherwise my cell is 678-637-5072... And I'm 404-630-9260. You've still got an Atlanta area code on your cell phone? Aren't out on the left coast these days? -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song" - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Who's going to CFUnited?
Anyone looked at the weather lately for DC? I really hope we don't have to swim from the airport to the hotel... http://www.erh.noaa.gov/ifps/MapClick.php?CityName=Washington&state=DC&site=LWX http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/26/national/main1750635.shtml mcg Howard Fore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/26/2006 12:45 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Re: Who's going to CFUnited? On 6/26/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: works for me too. I'd say lunch wed works best so we all know who's who for the rest of the event. I know what hofo looks like, and may recognise a few more, otherwise my cell is 678-637-5072... And I'm 404-630-9260. You've still got an Atlanta area code on your cell phone? Aren't out on the left coast these days? -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning singing song" - Good Morning Starshine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Who's going to CFUnited?
I am headed there for the first time! I'm getting there on Tuesday as well. mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Sam Singer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 06/23/2006 08:33AMSubject: [ACFUG Discuss] Who's going to CFUnited?Just curious, I'm headed out to CFUnited on Tuesday. I know that Howardwon the free registration at the last meeting. Any other of you CFersgoing to make the trip?--Sam Singer-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
[ACFUG Discuss] CF: COREid?
Has anyone out there dealt with Oracle's COREid and ColdFusion yet? We are looking into it and just wanted to know of any bumps we should look out for. The software is already implemented and is being used with Oracle Portal. We are looking at using it for single sign on for CF apps. Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
>> I'm kind of curious. How many of you have taken a formalized course on database design in either college or other technical training? I actually had a database class as an undergrad and then another one as a grad student (at the business school!!). My undergrad book essentially sucked, but luckily I had an awesome professor that eventually went to work for Oracle. I've also decided that Jeremy's next book is going to be on database design. Probably once he gets his first full night of sleep. :) mcg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/19/2006 09:46 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Sure it isn't an all encompassing book. I think it works well as a place to start for programmers who have probably never taken database design in college or elswhere, which is probably the majority of CF programmers. It will help them to avoid some of the common mistakes that new programmers tend to make, like making a database that is more akin to a spreadsheet. I'm kind of curious. How many of you have taken a formalized course on database design in either college or other technical training? Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 "Jeremy Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/19/2006 09:34 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I don't particularly care for that book as the author goes on tangents that didn't seem to belong in a database design book. The author also seems to go to great pains to avoid discussing normalization and the normal forms by their proper names (though the content is buried in there). This was in the 97 version, perhaps it was updated.I am not trying to be picky or anything it is just that I happen to have read that particular title and it could have been a lot better with a maybe one chapter on some more advanced topics referenced by their proper names. That said that book combined with SQL for Smarties (Celko) do make a pretty good pair. Jeremy On 6/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: A good book for learning about normalization (in plain English) is Database Design for Mere Mortals. Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 "Jeremy Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/18/2006 12:49 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning the basics of SQL Syntax. What I don't see is a good grounding in Normalization and database design. The Learn SQL in 10 minutes book focuses on SQL Syntax and SQL Queries. That is good... you DO need to know all of that and I suppose a structured approach to learning the syntax and basics is required. I also willingly admit that the Celko book is pretty out there in terms of skill level for a lot of the topics covered. You will save yourself a LOT of pain by understanding proper database design and normalization early on. Its not a difficult thing to get a handle on. If your average developer just knew 1NF, 2NF and 3NF better database designs on the whole would be a lot better. You can probably find enough on the normal forms just by searching the Internet. Once again Wikipedia is a good start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization . I only bring it up because it is quite often overlooked and it is a critical piece in my mind. Enough on that. Come to the ACFUG meetings as often as you can and get to know people. Look at all of the open source code out there in CF. There is not a ton of open source CF code but there is enough. Get to know the community, you won't find a much better development community than the CF community. When I started with ColdFusion years ago these lists were the best resources out there for learning things and tackling tough and relatively esoteric problems and they still are today. Chances are whatever problem you are having has been solved many times over and you need but ask. You may ask a question that 100 other people have asked and those of us that have seen the question may groan at it and start thinking, "Jeez" RTFM, however, you will find your question is still answered even if it is a link to ColdFusion documentation pointing out that oh so "obvious" function or tag that solves your problem (that is my way of saying "there aren't usually stupid questions only stupid answers"). And if I didn't impress this upon you well enough in my first post: start writing code! It doesn't have to be perfect. Once you start writing code you can start breaking things and we will have more concrete advice to give you ;-) Good night all.
[ACFUG Discuss] Reactor
I just flipped through Teddy's presentation on Reactor and wanted to know other's ideas of it. Being totally new to it, is it easy for people to learn/implement, even for those of us that are a little stubborn? Seems straightforward. Does it work well for large projects? What about complex queries? I try to have as few queries as possible per page load, so I end up with some complex queries. Any thoguhts welcome. Thanks, Mary-Catherine -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Whle some learn best by book, some of us don't. Even in college, I had to write notes from my readings and to study I would rewrite my notes, as retarded as that sounds. Just reading nor hearing a teacher in class make things click for me. It is a weird combination of all of those, plus doing it. Even now, I am listening to CF podcasts, articles, keeping an eye on lists like these and local user groups in order to attempt to keep the skillset sharp. So whatever method works for you is what you should do. But always keep some reference books handy and start building your list of bookmarks! :) Mary-Catherine[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 06/17/2006 05:53PMSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold FusionThank you for that, Dean. I'm especially pleased to hear that I've been ofhelp to you, seeing how much you now give back to the community. And that isindeed the way it ought to be. I was motivated to get into user groupsbecause I learned so much from them, starting in the early 80's in mymainframe career--yes, we had user groups back then, and mailing lists, andeven electricity. :-) Seriously, though, that cycle of learning and givingback has been so valuable.As to Jeremy's suggestion in his earlier note regarding SQL books, I wouldhave to counter that Joe Celko's books are definitely more for those whohave achieved not just the basics but really is ready to go well beyondthat. Certainly great stuff, but like recommending the Gang of Four book assomeone's first foray in to Design Patterns (Head First would be a betterchoice there). Instead, I'd recommend Ben Forta's "Teach Yourself SQL in 10Minutes". If you read the spotlight review at Amazon, mine from 2000, you'llsee why I like it so much, and it's in its 3rd edition now.Otherwise, Jeremy makes fine points, as confirmed and added to by Dean andRick.As for books, you mentioned Ben's CFWACK and it's indeed a classic. You canfind discounted copies of that, and The CFMX Bible (done by the Churvises,Hal Helms, and myself), and many other good CF books (like the Oreilly one)online. And don't forget the free manuals that come with CF, and more than just the"reference". There's a real "user guide" to CF, CFML, coding, and more,that's several hundred pages long. You can get it in print and read itonline in HTML and PDF. In CFMX 7 the manual's called the "ColdFusion MXDeveloper's Guide", and in 6.1 "Developing ColdFusion MX Applications" (andsomething yet again in CF5). It and all the docs are available online in PDFand HTML form (and can even be purchased in print) athttp://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/coldfusion/documentation.htmlDon't forget, as well, the example apps that come with CF (an option oninstallation). They're not paragons of good design, but as has been conveyedin this thread, there's learning to get started, and then there's learningto advance. CF7 in particular has an especially nice flash-based interfaceto help with its getting started resources.Finally, though it may be old, there was a CD produced by Allaire called theSkillBuilder. I would bet you could find it. There's a more recent versionof something similar, a video that does cover CFMX, at:http://www.learnwebdevelopment.com/intro_to_coldfusion_mx.htmlI've not used either of them but the price for the latter is right to fit inyour budget./charlie-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dean H. SaxeSent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:45 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold FusionI'm with Jeremy on this. I'm a book learner, read a book, implement, readmore, implement more. I'm a self-taught programmer, unless you considertaking Pascal in college in 1990 part of my career (I don't). Classes arehelpful, but they are expensive. Most classes I see on any technical areaof expertise are in the neighborhood of $750 - $1000/8 hour day.That having been said, the best addition to books and trying new things hasalways been having a mentor to work with. Someone who knows XYZ technologyjust a bit better than you so you can learn from his or her experience. Myfirst boss, Eric Palmer, was that person for me WRT DB design and SQL. Mynext boss helped me really get my feet wet with OO and Java. WRTapplication security, I was on my own for a while but eventually found somepeople who have helped me grow in that space as well. I've also learned alot from people in ACFUG over the years too. Cameron Childress, JeremyAllen (who I'm happy to work with now), Charlie Arehart, Shawn Gorrell andothers have all been great resources over the years.Good luck Rick!-dhsOn June 17, 2006, Rick Lansford wrote:> I took a class, but looking back, it would have been just as easy to > learn on my own. However, I am not in the league with the others on > this list (I still pretty much use a basic to mid-level programming > technique). So
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Developer Week
Anyone have the URL for the Model-Glue presentation yesterday? I had a doc appt! mcg Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/15/2006 04:58 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Developer Week Did you miss any of the Adobe Developer Week of online Breeze-based presentations? Here are links to some of the recordings. Title Recording Adobe Engagement Platform http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p50165810/ Introduction to Developing Flex http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p29278920/ Building Flex Apps with Flex Builder http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p19942249/ Building Killer RIAs? Meet: Adobe’s Next-Gen Technology http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p19942249/ Architecture and Overview of Adobe's Security Model http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p67184497/ ColdFusion Powered Flex http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p59578003/ Precia had pointed out the series here a couple of weeks ago, below. While you can still sign up for those that remain (using the link below), many are now "sold out". If I get more links I'll share them. Thanks to Mick Keily of the Cleveland CFUG who shared the links on his list. /charlie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Preesh Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Developer Week Adobe is having a week of online training for several products developers may be interested. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=detail&id=452429&loc=en_us PC - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
>>> Until you have fought that battle, start where you are comfortable. If only there were enough hours in the day (and I had enough energy) to figure out where the hell that is mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/13/2006 09:18 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks It all depends on which version you choose for Model-Glue, if you want data abstraction like Reactor for ColdFusion or a serious bean factory loader like ColdSpring. Model-Glue 1.1.10 for a framework is challenging at first, but it can be done with little OO experience. There is a great deal of example on the net to show you every aspect of the framework. To be good at any framework, all you basically need to know is where to put your code so as not to remove the inate organization and seperation of the framework. If you can grasp how to create a view, how to write a DAO CFC and where to put your conditional logic for business rules then you are golden. All of these are documented and the examples on the net are very good. Notice that I used three aspects that you need to know, thus MVC. MVC is a just a label for an idea that was originally not expected to be as popular as it is now. It is not hard to wrap the head around. The only reason Model-Glue can be daunting is when you want to integrate the cool OO ideas of dynamic object loaders and data abstractors, both of which you do not have to use. The only object ideas in MG 1.1.10 that you will need to be cognitive of is the controller CFC and how you write your CFCs that modify your data. Once you have dealt with the working process of MG 1.1.10, you will see why Joe Rinehart made 2.0 . 2.0 makes it easier for creating objects and reducing your code. Until you have fought that battle, start where you are comfortable. Cheers, Teddy On 6/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, I do like the 'initial' aspect of MG, but no one on our little team has any experience with it plus I am concerned about the OO skill level on the team. Would using an OO framework like MG make up for lack of OO skills? But that would be using a framework as a crutch, which I detest. mcg "Dean H. Saxe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/12/2006 10:29 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks Mach-ii just never clicked for me. I tried it for a week before throwing my hands up and moving to Model-Glue. Within a day the M-G style of coding was really sinking in, within a week it was like I'd never done anything differently. From an ease of use perspective I think M-G makes a heck of a lot more sense and is easier to get up and running ASAP. Of course, YMMV. Given MCG's situation, I'd stick with something that she can get up to speed on quickly which, in my mind, is M-G. Besides, it has two of the three letters in her initials. MCG -> M-G ;-) -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies another this right makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it." -- Thomas Paine, 1783 Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 12, 2006, at 9:36 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have worked with fusebox and mach-ii. Fusebox was good, but mach- > ii makes > sense to me. I started my development work in C++ and a pure OO > environment. It's a pretty simple rule: Display logic only in the > view, > the controller (listeners) controls flow between the model (base > objects & > dao) and the views. The events in mach-ii are your interface from > the view > to the controller. > > Confusing to most, but it makes sense to me. I like mach-ii. > > ap > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of neville > bent > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:55 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks > > > Hi MCG, > > I don't often like to comment on this sort of thing but... > > My comments are only about "easy to learn" aspects of frameworks > within my > experience. > > My CF experience: Nearly 6 years now > > Fusebox 3 - simple > Fusebox 4 + MVC - Love it > Mach-ii - I still don't get it after a whole year... > > The Mach-ii list I found to be very unhelpful, in fact downright > rude... > I'm so tired of reading documentation that was written in > Martian... and > comments in the same aforementioned language. > > Whereas the FB 3 & 4 lists were and are a real community effort if not > fragmented > > Mach-ii is not easy to learn. We are a team of 6 developers, 2 of > whom gras
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
Yes, I do like the 'initial' aspect of MG, but no one on our little team has any experience with it plus I am concerned about the OO skill level on the team. Would using an OO framework like MG make up for lack of OO skills? But that would be using a framework as a crutch, which I detest. mcg "Dean H. Saxe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/12/2006 10:29 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks Mach-ii just never clicked for me. I tried it for a week before throwing my hands up and moving to Model-Glue. Within a day the M-G style of coding was really sinking in, within a week it was like I'd never done anything differently. From an ease of use perspective I think M-G makes a heck of a lot more sense and is easier to get up and running ASAP. Of course, YMMV. Given MCG's situation, I'd stick with something that she can get up to speed on quickly which, in my mind, is M-G. Besides, it has two of the three letters in her initials. MCG -> M-G ;-) -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies another this right makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it." -- Thomas Paine, 1783 Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 12, 2006, at 9:36 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have worked with fusebox and mach-ii. Fusebox was good, but mach- > ii makes > sense to me. I started my development work in C++ and a pure OO > environment. It's a pretty simple rule: Display logic only in the > view, > the controller (listeners) controls flow between the model (base > objects & > dao) and the views. The events in mach-ii are your interface from > the view > to the controller. > > Confusing to most, but it makes sense to me. I like mach-ii. > > ap > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of neville > bent > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:55 PM > To: discussion@acfug.org > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks > > > Hi MCG, > > I don't often like to comment on this sort of thing but... > > My comments are only about "easy to learn" aspects of frameworks > within my > experience. > > My CF experience: Nearly 6 years now > > Fusebox 3 - simple > Fusebox 4 + MVC - Love it > Mach-ii - I still don't get it after a whole year... > > The Mach-ii list I found to be very unhelpful, in fact downright > rude... > I'm so tired of reading documentation that was written in > Martian... and > comments in the same aforementioned language. > > Whereas the FB 3 & 4 lists were and are a real community effort if not > fragmented > > Mach-ii is not easy to learn. We are a team of 6 developers, 2 of > whom grasp > it quite well, one knows what to do with uncertainty, and the other 3 > (including me), have to ask all the time. > > And I concur with other comments. Architecture decisions are very > important. > > I've seen some nasty FB 4 (& 3) code written around less than well > thought > out architecture. > > > my .02 cents > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Reply-To: discussion@acfug.org >> To: discussion@acfug.org >> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks >> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:45:00 -0400 >> >> Thanks everyone for all the links. And I thought I would be bored >> this >> weekend, lol. Seems like the consensus is that Model Glue is the >> framework > >> of choice these days. Any votes/biases for anything else? mcg >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - >> >> To: discussion@acfug.org >> From: Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Date: 06/09/2006 03:28PM >> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks >> >> MCG - >> >> There's a pretty good quickstart guide for MG >> http://www.model-glue.org/quickstart/index.html >> >> If you have an hour or so to sit down and go through the guide, you >> should have a feel for whether or not it's suitable for your >> development team's skill set. It does have a lower learning curve >> than Mach-II, and seems to have a very good balance of features. >> >> -Cameron >> >> On 6/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> How quickly do you see team members with little OO experience >>> picking >> this >>> up (MG is OO only, correct?)? >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ >> http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform >> >> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists >> Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ >> List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com >> - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
Thanks everyone for all the links. And I thought I would be bored this weekend, lol. Seems like the consensus is that Model Glue is the framework of choice these days. Any votes/biases for anything else? mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 06/09/2006 03:28PMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] FrameworksMCG -There's a pretty good quickstart guide for MGhttp://www.model-glue.org/quickstart/index.htmlIf you have an hour or so to sit down and go through the guide, youshould have a feel for whether or not it's suitable for yourdevelopment team's skill set. It does have a lower learning curvethan Mach-II, and seems to have a very good balance of features.-CameronOn 6/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> How quickly do you see team members with little OO experience picking this> up (MG is OO only, correct?)?-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
Yes, I have seen the Corfield article as well as he has a nice chart (link is at work). Also the Pet Market idea was really neat. Very interested in SAM; waiting on docs and hoping some will be out before CFUnited. Thanks, mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 06/09/2006 03:04PMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworksinterestingly a google search on 'framework coldfusion'http://www.google.com/search?hs=UC6&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=framework+coldfusion&btnG=Searchhas a ACFUG hit on top...woot!Mr Corfield has a PDF on themhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=8&q=http://corfield.org/articles/frameworks.pdf&e=15235&ei=AsKJRMaWJYP8wQKx_OG6DACFDJ article...well one of them...from teh frameworks issuehttp://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/176194.htmhave fun navigating through that! Heck, they can't even deliver the magz to me.there is a new petmarket site that has the same sample app written indifferent frameworks toohttp://cfpetmarket.com/what is easier is relative though, eh? Seems ModelGlue has somemomentum lately though and it is easier to follow then machiiprobably. ModelGlue 2 is supposed to incorporate Reactor andColdSpring too, which ought to be 'down right neat'.DKOn 6/9/06, Dean H. Saxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I *really* like Model Glue. A lot. I used it in HacmeShipping (being> released next week from Foundstone) and it took me a few days to get up and> running. After that it was easy-squeezy.>> -dhs>> Dean H. Saxe, CEH>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> "[U]nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the> peoples' willingness to contest them">> --John Perry Barlow> Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd>>> On Jun 9, 2006, at 2:02 PM,> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>>> So I have this large, new application we are DESIGNING (yes, actually taking> the time to do this) and the question of framework/methodology is starting> to come up, since we are working on prototyping aspects of the system. The> theory is that we will be running this on CFMX 7; but this isn't set in> stone yet (but it would make SO many things easier). I only have FuseBox 3> experience and part of the current app is in FB3 - needless to say it hasn't> left the best taste in my mouth. There is one other team member with some> MachII & FB experience and another member with no framework experience at> all.>> My goal in choice of framework is simple: ease of use and flexibility. Ease> of use goes beyond being knee deep in the code, but easy for a newbie to> pick up as well. And newbie being team members picking it up to whomever> ends up supporting it in the future. I am shooting for this application,> once complete, to be able to be supported by a junior level developer (or> only a part time senior level developer).> Promise I'm not trying to start a flame war on lovely Friday afternoon, just> looking for some opinions, articles, etc.>> Thanks,>> Mary-Catherine> -> To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @> http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform>>> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> Archive @> http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com> ->>-- Douglas Knudsenhttp://www.cubicleman.comthis is my signature, like it?-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com- -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
Thanks for the link - I will sift through the information this weekend. Let me elaborate a little on my situation. My team, of which I seem to be the technical head (hence, I make the architectual decisions), consists of me and 2 borrowed programmers that I get for around 3 months (due to some else's contractual issues). Having seen the state of the application when I sat down (at least 4 years old and in a terrible state), I am trying to set this up so that a 'borrowed' develper can create a new report or modify functionality easily. My goal is to set this application up so that this 'borrowed' developer has the fewest requirements needed to churn out a new report quickly. Part of this is the documentation that we are actually creating to go along with the application. mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 06/09/2006 02:54PMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] FrameworksUsing a framework is analagous to knowing how to build a house. You will have people who are very specialized in their knowledge. There will be people that are great with plumbing, drywall, roofing ... etc. If you plan to architect this site, you may want to consider how much you expect the junior developer to accomplish. Will the developer be changing the framework of the house or just painting the exterior? It might be safe to assume you would want to leave the responsibility to making framework changes in the hands of someone who has more than just a small amount of experience. There is much involved in the design and architecture of the framework. Using the MVC idea, you may want to spread the responsibility of each aspect to someone who is specilized in that area. You could have a junior developer work with the views, a more data oriented person work with the model/dao and have a more experienced person to handle the controller in between. As the architect, it is for you to create the example of where to put each type of code, so that each person knows their boundaries. In your ground work, you may have to create one of each to demonstrate where to put business logic, view code, data abstraction and object control. For ideas for a framework, I would recommend reading through the ColdFusion open source list from Remote Synthesis: http://www.remotesynthesis.com/cfopensourcelist/ There is more than frameworks guidance there, but most major open source solutions are listed there to include Mach II, Model-Glue, Fusebox ...etc. Avoid the architect pitfall of trying to do everything. Know how to do each role and then assign the responsibility to a person who would best fit the role. Over time, you can cross train your team to learn the role of the other developers. The more each member of your team understands the role of the other, the more they will be able to communicate better. I hope this helps. Teddy On 6/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: So I have this large, new application we are DESIGNING (yes, actually taking the time to do this) and the question of framework/methodology is starting to come up, since we are working on prototyping aspects of the system. The theory is that we will be running this on CFMX 7; but this isn't set in stone yet (but it would make SO many things easier). I only have FuseBox 3 experience and part of the current app is in FB3 - needless to say it hasn't left the best taste in my mouth. There is one other team member with some MachII & FB experience and another member with no framework experience at all. My goal in choice of framework is simple: ease of use and flexibility. Ease of use goes beyond being knee deep in the code, but easy for a newbie to pick up as well. And newbie being team members picking it up to whomever ends up supporting it in the future. I am shooting for this application, once complete, to be able to be supported by a junior level developer (or only a part time senior level developer). Promise I'm not trying to start a flame war on lovely Friday afternoon, just looking for some opinions, articles, etc. Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?falogin.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profi
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
How quickly do you see team members with little OO experience picking this up (MG is OO only, correct?)? mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: "Dean H. Saxe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 06/09/2006 02:36PMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] FrameworksI *really* like Model Glue. A lot. I used it in HacmeShipping (being released next week from Foundstone) and it took me a few days to get up and running. After that it was easy-squeezy. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[U] nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them " --John Perry Barlow Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 9, 2006, at 2:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I have this large, new application we are DESIGNING (yes, actually taking the time to do this) and the question of framework/methodology is starting to come up, since we are working on prototyping aspects of the system. The theory is that we will be running this on CFMX 7; but this isn't set in stone yet (but it would make SO many things easier). I only have FuseBox 3 experience and part of the current app is in FB3 - needless to say it hasn't left the best taste in my mouth. There is one other team member with some MachII & FB experience and another member with no framework experience at all. My goal in choice of framework is simple: ease of use and flexibility. Ease of use goes beyond being knee deep in the code, but easy for a newbie to pick up as well. And newbie being team members picking it up to whomever ends up supporting it in the future. I am shooting for this application, once complete, to be able to be supported by a junior level developer (or only a part time senior level developer). Promise I'm not trying to start a flame war on lovely Friday afternoon, just looking for some opinions, articles, etc. Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
[ACFUG Discuss] Frameworks
So I have this large, new application we are DESIGNING (yes, actually taking the time to do this) and the question of framework/methodology is starting to come up, since we are working on prototyping aspects of the system. The theory is that we will be running this on CFMX 7; but this isn't set in stone yet (but it would make SO many things easier). I only have FuseBox 3 experience and part of the current app is in FB3 - needless to say it hasn't left the best taste in my mouth. There is one other team member with some MachII & FB experience and another member with no framework experience at all. My goal in choice of framework is simple: ease of use and flexibility. Ease of use goes beyond being knee deep in the code, but easy for a newbie to pick up as well. And newbie being team members picking it up to whomever ends up supporting it in the future. I am shooting for this application, once complete, to be able to be supported by a junior level developer (or only a part time senior level developer). Promise I'm not trying to start a flame war on lovely Friday afternoon, just looking for some opinions, articles, etc. Thanks, Mary-Catherine -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com-
[ACFUG Discuss] CF: BO
Has anyone worked with Business Objects (http://www.businessobjects.com) and ColdFusion? This is the company that bought Crystal Reports. The application I am working on doesn't have any BizObj reports, but will be tracking what reports we have on our servers. Is it possible to glean information from the server itself (say to populate drop down boxes)? Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] .sql file comparators
Yeah, I like that one as well. Plus I believe it integrates with DWMX. mcg Iain Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/04/2006 06:38 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] .sql file comparators BTW, if you have a spare $300 you can try Araxis Merge. Very powerful stuff. http://www.araxismerge.com Iain From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] .sql file comparators Thanks for the tip. Lets see what I end up with. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:03 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] .sql file comparators For you guys out there who like beyond compare - there is another free utility which is very nice for windows. http://winmerge.sourceforge.net Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Adam Churvis Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] .sql file comparators On the cheap you can use BeyondCompare, which rocks. If you have *much* money you can use Embarcadero Change Manager, but it sounds like BeyondCompare should do what you need. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com - Original Message - From: Robert Reil To: discussion@acfug.org Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] .sql file comparators I have a mess... We use excel to manipulate and import data into a mysql db table. Somehow we lost the ability temporarily to QA the data and we have lost control of the data in each row. I need to go back into my original back ups and piece by piece see where new products have been rolled out and crop those items from the DB and manage them individually. Is there a tool that will take a .sql dump file and compare it and spit out reports on what is different? That way I can do a .csv extraction to rework the data for a new push to the repaired db later? Any and all advice is much appreciated. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cf based pay-per-click
Or the third case in which Robert needs a solution but management has some weird thing about writing all your own code. I really need to get off that one. I don't even live in that state anymore! :) mcg Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/22/2006 04:31 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cf based pay-per-click Without knowing Robert's situation, I can't really lean one way or the other on the billable time. If he is trying to create a solution that he can market for himself, then his time is considered invested into his product. If it is to augment a parent company that has tasked him to achieve a requirement, then I would agree that finding a solution that can be easily configured to suit his needs and offers a customizeable interface would be ideal. It would be nice if we can help him find a solution that would fit either case. Time permitting of course! =) On 5/22/06, Dean H. Saxe < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, the point is that development time is expensive. Open source software that does 90% of what you need may exist. If so, use it and modify it to suit your needs. If not, then look to buy or build, but remember saving $1000 by building your own software is usually a losing proposition in pure financial terms. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[U] nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them " --John Perry Barlow Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On May 22, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Teddy Payne wrote: Dean is always good for the honest and direct approach, but he has a valid point. Perhaps Robert is seeking out usage cases so he can take the best practices and augment where he feels there should be improvement. (insert devil's advocate) I have not worked on a external commercial site in a while. I remember there was a company by the name of Double-Click that did just this without ColdFusion though. Double-Click was purchased, so it may have another name now. When I used their product suite, it was _javascript_ based frames. Teddy On 5/22/06, Dean H. Saxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: If you find an open source solution, why would you want to reinvent the wheel? -dhs Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." --Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On May 22, 2006, at 2:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does anyone have a good cf based pay-per-click solution they can > point me to. > Hopefully something open-source or something where I can review the > structure of how it works so I can write my own solution (which I > would rather do). > Any articles, code examples etc appreciated. > > Robert - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by www.fusionlink.com - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Page load times (was: CSS: Date Picker)
For the most part this will be an intranet audience and (one day) will only be a small outside audience; this is only an 'internal' application, most likely on decent connections. But I agree, 50K is a little big for my taste. mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 05/22/2006 04:16PMSubject: [ACFUG Discuss] Page load times (was: CSS: Date Picker)Just curious, is anybody concerned that this is a 50k _javascript_ file? I guess the browser will cache this, and it depends on your target audience and their connection speeds... it just seems bulky to me... Websiteoptimization.com's web page speed reports lists a download time of more than 11 seconds for a dialup connection.> http://www.dynarch.com/demos/jscalendar/I came across this one recentlyDKOn 5/22/06, Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> this looks nice:>> http://www.blueshoes.org/en/_javascript_/datepicker/>>> On 5/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >> > Right now we are on MX 6.1 (with my fingers crossed that we are going to 7> within 6 months). Just looking for something relatively simple that plays> nice in IE and Firefox.> >> > mcg> >> >> >> >> > - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -> >> >> > To: discussion@acfug.org> > From: Preesh < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 05/22/2006 11:40AM> > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CSS: Date Picker> >> >> >> > What CF version are you working with? In CF 7 you could use cfCalendar> tag in a Flash format cfform.> http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0223.htm> >> > Are you looking for something for an HTML form?> >> > PC> >> >> >> > - Original Message -> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: discussion@acfug.org> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:07 AM> > Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] CSS: Date Picker> >> >> >> > Can anyone suggest a good date picker (the calendar icon next to a text> field that pops up a calendar for people to pick a date)?> >> > Thanks,> >> > Mary-Catherine> >> >> >> -> > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @> >> > http://www.acfug.org?fa=gin.edituserform> >> >> > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> > Archive @> http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> > List hosted by www.fusionlink.com> >> -> >> >> >> -> >> > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @> > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform> >> > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> > Archive @> http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> >> > List hosted by FusionLink> >> -> >> >> -> > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @> >> > http://www.acfug.org?falogin.edituserform> >> >> > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> > Archive @> http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> > List hosted by www.fusionlink.com> >> -> > --> Steven Ross> web application & interface developer> http://www.zerium.com> [phone] 404-488-4364>> -> To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @> http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform>> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> Archive @> http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by FusionLink> --- Douglas Knudsenhttp://www.cubicleman.comthis is my signature, like it?-To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by www.fusionlink.com-
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CSS: Date Picker
Right now we are on MX 6.1 (with my fingers crossed that we are going to 7 within 6 months). Just looking for something relatively simple that plays nice in IE and Firefox. mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Preesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 05/22/2006 11:40AMSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CSS: Date PickerWhat CF version are you working with? In CF 7 you could use cfCalendar tag in a Flash format cfform. http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0223.htm Are you looking for something for an HTML form? PC - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discussion@acfug.org Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] CSS: Date Picker Can anyone suggest a good date picker (the calendar icon next to a text field that pops up a calendar for people to pick a date)? Thanks, Mary-Catherine - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=gin.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by www.fusionlink.com-
[ACFUG Discuss] CSS: Date Picker
Can anyone suggest a good date picker (the calendar icon next to a text field that pops up a calendar for people to pick a date)? Thanks, Mary-Catherine -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformFor more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/List hosted by www.fusionlink.com-
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Convert Word to Flash Paper on Linux Coldfusion
Let me know what you find out about Powerpoint. Word is an HTMLish document I believe, but I haven't gone Word to CF before. But I did find this: http://www.aspose.com, which looked very promising. I asked on the list and no one gave any response really on it. One thought (an interviewee had yesterday!) is to pry open Open Office to see how it does things. mcg Leif Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/2006 12:05 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject [ACFUG Discuss] Convert Word to Flash Paper on Linux Coldfusion Can anyone point me to a way to convert Word, Powerpoint and/or Acrobat documents to Flash Paper using Coldfusion? Is there a way to do this? Leif * To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ * * http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform * * * * For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists * * List hosted by www.fusionlink.com * * To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ * * http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform * * * * For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists * * List hosted by www.fusionlink.com *
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Way Off Topic
Just what I was about to say. I think I got an envelope this weekend about IEEE insurance stuff. At least when I was in Tallahassee, a friend had a personal BCBS policy b/c it was cheaper and offered better coverage than what the company offered. mcg Todd Hartle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/12/2006 05:18 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Way Off Topic You might try joining ACM or IEEE I believe they offer something like this. >From: Mark-Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: discussion@acfug.org >To: discussion@acfug.org >Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Way Off Topic >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:36:48 -0400 > >Are there any independent consulting organizations that have gotten >together to get "group health" benefits? I'm an independent contractor >and they had some groups like ACFUG doing things like that in NY. > > > > > >* To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ * >* http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform * >* * >* For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists * > > > * To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ * * http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform * * * * For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists * * To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ * * http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform * * * * For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists *
