RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
Sure, happy to help. /charlie -Original Message- From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Forrest C. Gilmore Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:19 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation Charlie: I realized I was straying from CF topics, but hoping for a little reassurance regarding Java details, which you graciously gave me. Thanks again for your help. Forrest C. Gilmore - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
Which version of CF 8 do you have (Pro/Std) and which version of the install did you do (standalone, multi-server, EAR)? -- Howard Fore, howard.f...@hofo.com The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Forrest C. Gilmore fcg0...@wctel.netwrote: Do any of you have experience with OpenCMS? I need to install this application to work on a project that requires it. It requires a Servlet 2.4 / JSP 2.0 standards compliant container, and Tomcat is its standard. I have installed Tomcat, but it is in standalone mode, which means it's running another server that I may not need. My questions are these: Since I already have ColdFusion 8 and its Java web server running, do I really need Tomcat to run OpenCMS? If so, is there a way for Tomcat to use the CF web server? If not, how do I install OpenCMS to use the CF Java application server? Forrest C. Gilmore - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
I am running CF8 on my PC. I downloaded CF8 and installed it as the Developer edition. The Administrator says it is equivalent to the Enterprise edition with limited access. This is the PC where I want to install OpenCMS for development and training purposes. Forrest C. Gilmore === Howard Fore wrote: Which version of CF 8 do you have (Pro/Std) and which version of the install did you do (standalone, multi-server, EAR)? -- Howard Fore, howard.f...@hofo.com mailto:howard.f...@hofo.com The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Forrest C. Gilmore fcg0...@wctel.net mailto:fcg0...@wctel.net wrote: Do any of you have experience with OpenCMS? I need to install this application to work on a project that requires it. It requires a Servlet 2.4 / JSP 2.0 standards compliant container, and Tomcat is its standard. I have installed Tomcat, but it is in standalone mode, which means it's running another server that I may not need. My questions are these: Since I already have ColdFusion 8 and its Java web server running, do I really need Tomcat to run OpenCMS? If so, is there a way for Tomcat to use the CF web server? If not, how do I install OpenCMS to use the CF Java application server? Forrest C. Gilmore - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
You'd need to install in the Enterprise/Developer Multiserver mode of deployment, in order to deploy a WAR-based app (like OpenCMS) alongside CF. Even then, it wouldn't really be running in CF. It would be using JRun as the J2EE server on which it executes. (And no, as far as I know, one cannot deploy a WAR file on CF Standard or on the Server form of deployment for Enterprise/Developer, since those run atop a highly customized version of JRun.) There have been cases of people picking apart a WAR-based app and integrating the two to run at once in a single web app, but it would take a great deal of knowledge of both that app and CF's internals to break the WAR apart, put the right pieces in the right place, assure there are no class/jar conflicts, and so on. It's been done. But really it begs the question: do you need to? Is there real value in both CF and the CMS running as a single web app. If not, it's easier just to run it alongside. To your original question, if you do have the Multiserver mode, then yes you can run OpenCMS as another app on JRun. But if you don't, or if there's not much to be gained with even doing that, you can just stick running it in Tomcat running on the same machine at the same time. The overhead difference in doing so shouldn't be substantial, and especially since you say you're just doing it for development/training purposes. /charlie -Original Message- From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Forrest C. Gilmore Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:48 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation I am running CF8 on my PC. I downloaded CF8 and installed it as the Developer edition. The Administrator says it is equivalent to the Enterprise edition with limited access. This is the PC where I want to install OpenCMS for development and training purposes. Forrest C. Gilmore === Howard Fore wrote: Which version of CF 8 do you have (Pro/Std) and which version of the install did you do (standalone, multi-server, EAR)? -- Howard Fore, howard.f...@hofo.com mailto:howard.f...@hofo.com The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Forrest C. Gilmore fcg0...@wctel.net mailto:fcg0...@wctel.net wrote: Do any of you have experience with OpenCMS? I need to install this application to work on a project that requires it. It requires a Servlet 2.4 / JSP 2.0 standards compliant container, and Tomcat is its standard. I have installed Tomcat, but it is in standalone mode, which means it's running another server that I may not need. My questions are these: Since I already have ColdFusion 8 and its Java web server running, do I really need Tomcat to run OpenCMS? If so, is there a way for Tomcat to use the CF web server? If not, how do I install OpenCMS to use the CF Java application server? Forrest C. Gilmore - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
Ok, but in the installer there are a couple of choices that determine how CF is packaged. The standalone installer makes CF basically look like a all-in-one application, minimizing the look that CF is installed in JRun (usually in a directory called ColdFusion8). The multiple instance version looks more like a installation of JRun that has an instance of CF installed (usually in a directory called JRun). The EAR version gives you a EAR file that you can deploy in your own J2EE (or in today's parlance Java EE) server. I think you'll be able to utilize the multiple instance version easier that the standalone version. If OpenCMS will run on Tomcat it will probably run on JRun, but you should expect some bit-twiddling in various configuration files. I'd tell you which but I don't know anything about OpenCMS. -- Howard Fore, howard.f...@hofo.com The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Forrest C. Gilmore fcg0...@wctel.netwrote: I am running CF8 on my PC. I downloaded CF8 and installed it as the Developer edition. The Administrator says it is equivalent to the Enterprise edition with limited access. This is the PC where I want to install OpenCMS for development and training purposes.
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
Thanks, Charlie, for your suggestions. That's what I expected, but not being thoroughly familiar with the CF underpinnings, I wanted this kind of input. Tomcat seems to be running OK, so I'll proceed to use it with OpenCMS. Let me ask one more question -- I have several versions of the JRE (1.6.0 through 1.6.0_07) and one version of the JDK on my PC. There is also a Jre6 folder under Program Files. I set my CLASSPATH to C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\ An installation of Quicktime changed this to .;C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\;C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\ext\QTJava.zip The JAVA_HOMEvariable is set to c:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_04\ Are these OK, or does either need to be more specific? Forrest C. Gilmore = Charlie Arehart wrote: You'd need to install in the Enterprise/Developer Multiserver mode of deployment, in order to deploy a WAR-based app (like OpenCMS) alongside CF. Even then, it wouldn't really be running in CF. It would be using JRun as the J2EE server on which it executes. (And no, as far as I know, one cannot deploy a WAR file on CF Standard or on the Server form of deployment for Enterprise/Developer, since those run atop a highly customized version of JRun.) There have been cases of people picking apart a WAR-based app and integrating the two to run at once in a single web app, but it would take a great deal of knowledge of both that app and CF's internals to break the WAR apart, put the right pieces in the right place, assure there are no class/jar conflicts, and so on. It's been done. But really it begs the question: do you need to? Is there real value in both CF and the CMS running as a single web app. If not, it's easier just to run it alongside. To your original question, if you do have the Multiserver mode, then yes you can run OpenCMS as another app on JRun. But if you don't, or if there's not much to be gained with even doing that, you can just stick running it in Tomcat running on the same machine at the same time. The overhead difference in doing so shouldn't be substantial, and especially since you say you're just doing it for development/training purposes. /charlie -Original Message- From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Forrest C. Gilmore Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:48 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation I am running CF8 on my PC. I downloaded CF8 and installed it as the Developer edition. The Administrator says it is equivalent to the Enterprise edition with limited access. This is the PC where I want to install OpenCMS for development and training purposes. Forrest C. Gilmore === Howard Fore wrote: Which version of CF 8 do you have (Pro/Std) and which version of the install did you do (standalone, multi-server, EAR)? -- Howard Fore, howard.f...@hofo.com mailto:howard.f...@hofo.com The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Forrest C. Gilmore fcg0...@wctel.net mailto:fcg0...@wctel.net wrote: Do any of you have experience with OpenCMS? I need to install this application to work on a project that requires it. It requires a Servlet 2.4 / JSP 2.0 standards compliant container, and Tomcat is its standard. I have installed Tomcat, but it is in standalone mode, which means it's running another server that I may not need. My questions are these: Since I already have ColdFusion 8 and its Java web server running, do I really need Tomcat to run OpenCMS? If so, is there a way for Tomcat to use the CF web server? If not, how do I install OpenCMS to use the CF Java application server? Forrest C. Gilmore - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
Forest, it generally does not matter at all that you have many versions of the JRE or JDK. Most apps that need a particular one will include one within their own directory, as both CF and JRun (and I imagine Tomcat) do. And they also tend to set their own classpath within their startup scripts, so that your system-wide ones have no direct impact. Still, if you end up running something that doesn't set the classpath and java_home itself, then that's where confusion over these various ones could bite you. But to your specific question, I think you'll find you can ignore them all with respect to the implementation of CF or Tomcat that you'll run for OpenCMS. Beyond that, though, I'll say that your now really straying away from CF topics, and if you have other questions that are related to running OpenCMS, you'll really want to ask those on a forum devoted to it. If you try to run it on Tomcat or JRun, there are also forums/mailing lists devoted specifically to those. /charlie -Original Message- From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Forrest C. Gilmore Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:52 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation Thanks, Charlie, for your suggestions. That's what I expected, but not being thoroughly familiar with the CF underpinnings, I wanted this kind of input. Tomcat seems to be running OK, so I'll proceed to use it with OpenCMS. Let me ask one more question -- I have several versions of the JRE (1.6.0 through 1.6.0_07) and one version of the JDK on my PC. There is also a Jre6 folder under Program Files. I set my CLASSPATH to C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\ An installation of Quicktime changed this to .;C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\;C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\ext\QTJava.zip The JAVA_HOMEvariable is set to c:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_04\ Are these OK, or does either need to be more specific? Forrest C. Gilmore - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
Charlie: I realized I was straying from CF topics, but hoping for a little reassurance regarding Java details, which you graciously gave me. Thanks again for your help. Forrest C. Gilmore === Charlie Arehart wrote: Forest, it generally does not matter at all that you have many versions of the JRE or JDK. Most apps that need a particular one will include one within their own directory, as both CF and JRun (and I imagine Tomcat) do. And they also tend to set their own classpath within their startup scripts, so that your system-wide ones have no direct impact. Still, if you end up running something that doesn't set the classpath and java_home itself, then that's where confusion over these various ones could bite you. But to your specific question, I think you'll find you can ignore them all with respect to the implementation of CF or Tomcat that you'll run for OpenCMS. Beyond that, though, I'll say that your now really straying away from CF topics, and if you have other questions that are related to running OpenCMS, you'll really want to ask those on a forum devoted to it. If you try to run it on Tomcat or JRun, there are also forums/mailing lists devoted specifically to those. /charlie -Original Message- From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Forrest C. Gilmore Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:52 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation Thanks, Charlie, for your suggestions. That's what I expected, but not being thoroughly familiar with the CF underpinnings, I wanted this kind of input. Tomcat seems to be running OK, so I'll proceed to use it with OpenCMS. Let me ask one more question -- I have several versions of the JRE (1.6.0 through 1.6.0_07) and one version of the JDK on my PC. There is also a Jre6 folder under Program Files. I set my CLASSPATH to C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\ An installation of Quicktime changed this to .;C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\;C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\ext\QTJava.zip The JAVA_HOMEvariable is set to c:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_04\ Are these OK, or does either need to be more specific? Forrest C. Gilmore - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
[ACFUG Discuss] OpenCMS Installation
Do any of you have experience with OpenCMS? I need to install this application to work on a project that requires it. It requires a Servlet 2.4 / JSP 2.0 standards compliant container, and Tomcat is its standard. I have installed Tomcat, but it is in standalone mode, which means it's running another server that I may not need. My questions are these: Since I already have ColdFusion 8 and its Java web server running, do I really need Tomcat to run OpenCMS? If so, is there a way for Tomcat to use the CF web server? If not, how do I install OpenCMS to use the CF Java application server? Forrest C. Gilmore - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
