RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Vince Bonfanti 



I'm not sure how they'll profit from this, but I'm not 
sure that Sun has ever made a profit from Java in terms of direct revenue minus 
direct expenses, so that's probably not their point anyway.
 
Vince

  
  
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  On Behalf Of PreciaSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:52 
  AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] 
  Sun sending Java to Open Source
  
  How can Sun profit from such a move?  How does this help sales 
  and stock dividends?  I'm all for open-source, but I would also like 
  to see the company to stay in business.
   
  Precia 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Teddy Payne 
I am by no means the moderator of this list, but I might throw a yellow flag here in the back field.*announcer voice* Unnecessary spearing after the comment was dead.  5 second delay to the offense's line speed.  Still first download.  
Game on.TeddyOn 11/13/06, Sterling Ledet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While your prescience was off-base, it's obvious in retrospect that you hadactually been a bit confused as to just which product would be next to beopen-sourced.You need to increase your doses of melange. (Apologies to the non-Dune fans
who won't understand this reference.Java is in my opinion, a lot closer tied to the future of ColdFusion thanjust the ActionScript code previously discussed. So actually, in my opinion,this announcement, while not in-any-way validating everything you said, does
indicate your point of view had at least some relevance. But, I would haveto venture that absolutely no one would ever dream that by outsourcing Java,Sun is actually washing it's hands of the technology.
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Sterling Ledet 
While your prescience was off-base, it's obvious in retrospect that you had
actually been a bit confused as to just which product would be next to be
open-sourced. 

You need to increase your doses of melange. (Apologies to the non-Dune fans
who won't understand this reference.

Java is in my opinion, a lot closer tied to the future of ColdFusion than
just the ActionScript code previously discussed. So actually, in my opinion,
this announcement, while not in-any-way validating everything you said, does
indicate your point of view had at least some relevance. But, I would have
to venture that absolutely no one would ever dream that by outsourcing Java,
Sun is actually washing it's hands of the technology. 

So let's say you earned me buying the first round of drinks went the time
comes for you to actually pay up.

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Teddy Payne 
I figured if I preemptively struck you, I could prevent anyone else from smacking you afterwards.   This would cause them to hopefully take pity and be content with the initial effort and refrain from further abuse.
So in my little logic, I was saving you!Teddy On 11/13/06, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:






Oh, was that you, Teddy?  I thought it was Ben, 
Sterling, and a few others.
 
That's okay.  I deserved it.  :)
 

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  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
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  Payne 
  To: 
discussion@acfug.org 
  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:31 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending 
  Java to Open Source
  My apologies.  I did not mean to smack Adam that 
  hard.  My hand slipped!  Honest!Teddy
  On 11/13/06, Adam 
  Churvis < 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
(relatively soon), Sun will most likely wash their hands clean 
of--
 
*SMACK!*
 
(Sorry...)
 

Respectfully,
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  How can Sun profit from such a move?  How does this help sales 
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  like to see the company to stay in business.
   
  Precia 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Adam Churvis 



Oh, was that you, Teddy?  I thought it was Ben, 
Sterling, and a few others.
 
That's okay.  I deserved it.  :)
 

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  From: 
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  Payne 
  To: discussion@acfug.org 
  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:31 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending 
  Java to Open Source
  My apologies.  I did not mean to smack Adam that 
  hard.  My hand slipped!  Honest!Teddy
  On 11/13/06, Adam 
  Churvis < 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
(relatively soon), Sun will most likely wash their hands clean 
of--
 
*SMACK!*
 
(Sorry...)
 

Respectfully,
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  like to see the company to stay in business.
   
  Precia 
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RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Charlie Arehart 



(said in a scratchy old lady voice...) "You're a very 
naughty boy!"
 
/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Adam ChurvisSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:10 
AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun 
sending Java to Open Source

Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
(relatively soon), Sun will most likely wash their hands clean of--
 
*SMACK!*
 
(Sorry...)
 

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread John Lyons 

Chuckle...



Adam Churvis wrote:
Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively 
soon), Sun will most likely wash their hands clean of--
 
*SMACK!*
 
(Sorry...)
 


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How can Sun profit from such a move?  How does this help sales
and stock dividends?  I'm all for open-source, but I would also
like to see the company to stay in business.
 
Precia


 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Teddy Payne 
My apologies.  I did not mean to smack Adam that hard.  My hand slipped!  Honest!TeddyOn 11/13/06, Adam Churvis <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
(relatively soon), Sun will most likely wash their hands clean of--
 
*SMACK!*
 
(Sorry...)
 

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  Java to Open Source
  
  How can Sun profit from such a move?  How does this help sales 
  and stock dividends?  I'm all for open-source, but I would also like 
  to see the company to stay in business.
   
  Precia 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Shawn . Gorrell 

It can also actually slow development
down because of needing more consensus from a community than you would
as a single brutal dictator. 

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The more open source your product is, the more support
is needed because so many more people get their hands in the cookie jar
and break things.

Upfront investment is less, but support over time will increase.

This has worked for a lot of software products.  I remember a model
like this for certain flavors of Linux.

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Dunno. Maybe a bake sale? Or things like tools, training and consulting.
Similar to how JBoss makes money not selling app servers. They give you
the app server and sell you everything else. 

I see it as a good thing, as they have been criticized for years for not
setting Java free. They have been using the community process for driving
specifications for a long time, so this seems like a logical extension
of that. I'm sure that the Java pundits will be weighing in fast and furious
on Sun's move, and that like the Flash thing there will be some who see
it as a great thing and others who see it as the death-knell of Sun. 


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Shawn . Gorrell 

I was wondering when you'd fire that
in from the grassy knoll;)


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Among other things, it means that when the time comes
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*SMACK!*
 
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How can Sun profit from such a move?  How does this
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also like to see the company to stay in business.
 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Adam Churvis 



Among other things, it means that when the time comes 
(relatively soon), Sun will most likely wash their hands clean of--
 
*SMACK!*
 
(Sorry...)
 

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  How can Sun profit from such a move?  How does this help sales 
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  to see the company to stay in business.
   
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Teddy Payne 
The more open source your product is, the more support is needed because so many more people get their hands in the cookie jar and break things.Upfront investment is less, but support over time will increase.
This has worked for a lot of software products.  I remember a model like this for certain flavors of Linux.TeddyOn 11/13/06, 
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Dunno. Maybe a bake sale? Or things
like tools, training and consulting. Similar to how JBoss makes money not
selling app servers. They give you the app server and sell you everything
else. 

I see it as a good thing, as they have
been criticized for years for not setting Java free. They have been using
the community process for driving specifications for a long time, so this
seems like a logical extension of that. I'm sure that the Java pundits
will be weighing in fast and furious on Sun's move, and that like the Flash
thing there will be some who see it as a great thing and others who see
it as the death-knell of Sun. 


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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Shawn . Gorrell 

Dunno. Maybe a bake sale? Or things
like tools, training and consulting. Similar to how JBoss makes money not
selling app servers. They give you the app server and sell you everything
else. 

I see it as a good thing, as they have
been criticized for years for not setting Java free. They have been using
the community process for driving specifications for a long time, so this
seems like a logical extension of that. I'm sure that the Java pundits
will be weighing in fast and furious on Sun's move, and that like the Flash
thing there will be some who see it as a great thing and others who see
it as the death-knell of Sun. 


Shawn Gorrell
Web Development Applications Architect
Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta
Office (404)  498-8449





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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Sun sending Java to Open Source

2006-11-13 Thread Precia 
How can Sun profit from such a move?  How does this help sales and stock dividends?  I'm all for open-source, but I would also like to see the company to stay in business.
 
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