Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing?
So after a bit of frustration and finally thinking I got eclipse running again, I ran into this problem again. Fortunately, thanks to some of your comments, I think I've isolated the problem to a degree. I didn't realize that perhaps some of the code on the page could in effect take eclipse out, but it does make sense kind of now. Here is the code that seems to freeze not necessessarily crash eclipse. If I leave it for 4-5 minutes the hour glass dissappears and I can work again, that is until I start typing variable names back into the below code that calls a stored procedure in cfquery I'm thinking maybe this is an old or non-standard way to do so, but its the way most of our legacy stored procs are called. cfquery name=insAuthor datasource=#request.dsn# {call gsp_Author_ins( @authorTypeID = 1, @salutation = '', @firstname = '#qAuthor.sname#', @mi = '', @lastname = '#qAuthor.sname#', @organization = '#qAuthor.sInstitution#', @jobTitle = '', @address1 = '#qAuthor.sAddressLine1#', @address2 ='#qAuthor.sAddressLine2#', @city = '#qAuthor.sCity#', @state = '#qAuthor.sState#', @postcode = '#qAuthor.sPostalCode#', @countryid = #qCountry.iCountryID#, @email = '#qAuthor.sEmailAddress#', @phone = '#qAuthor.sVoicePhone#', @fax = '#qAuthor.sFaxPhone#', @mobile = '#qAuthor.sVoicePhone#', @biographyFileName = 'not required', @requestor_personid = 1694)} /cfquery Typing into the string fields seem to be where eclipse dies. Again, I'm still new to eclipse so maybe there is a setting somewhere i need to tick, or maybe this is a known problem. Just thought I'd send this out there to help anyone else that may run into this problem. On 3/24/07, Steven Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was supposidly fixed in the latest release though. -Steven On 3/24/07, Leif Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheyenne, I remember something like this happening to me last month with a specific page I was working on. If I recall correctly, all I had to do is type cfscript and CFEclipse would freeze up. It might have been another tag, but I believe that was the one. I did not solve the CFEclipse problem as I fixed the page I was working on and moved on. If I remember correctly, there had already been a bug reported in the Trac ( http://trac.cfeclipse.org/cfeclipse/ticket/263). Leif On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By crashing I mean I'll type a couple lines of code, then it just stops responding and gives an hourglass until I stop it. the javaw.exeprocess also jumps to about 50% of my CPU. Before I did have the Java perspective incidently on before, but switched to just have cfeclipse perspective on with still the same result. Turning on the Show Heap Status option, I do have something in the lower right-hand corner that says 14M of 40M. Is that the heap? I'm going to look into reinstalling the JRE altogether next and see if that helps. On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, in eclipse, window preferences general check Show Heap Status. This will give you a little memory monitor tool in the status bar lower right corner. you can run a manual GS using it too. DK On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went through some major crashing issues for awhile, but of late things seem fairly stable. I had my issues with running eclipse with the FlexBuilder, FDS, and CFEclipse plugins under Eclipse 3.2.1 WTP. I'm running the latest Eclipse WTP pull now though. Besides tweaking the memory settings, I now make sure I have no more than 1 perspective open at a time. Note this is when working with a FDS project. Working with CFeclipse projects only I have not seen any issues. Now, what do you mean by crashing? Just bamm there goes Eclipse? Or do you get a popup about something concerning out of memory would you like to close y or n? Check out these performance suggestions too: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t61618.html DK On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I'll state that I'm fairly new to Eclipse. I installed it and have really enjoyed its use since being convinced to give it a go after a good discussion about it during the last perimeter cf_lunch (read - shameless plug for cf_lunches). Unfortunately, starting last night, it is crashing constantly. Has anyone else had problems that last few days? The only thing that I can throw out there as a guess to whats going on is that I did upgrade from Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 2.0, around the same time. Do they maybe use some of the same files? Anyone heard of this? Googling around it seems that at least in older postings (ca. 2005) they were related, but I can't find anything newer. I'm running with Windows XPEclipse Version: 3.2.2 Build id: M20070212-1330
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing?
Cheyenne, I remember something like this happening to me last month with a specific page I was working on. If I recall correctly, all I had to do is type cfscript and CFEclipse would freeze up. It might have been another tag, but I believe that was the one. I did not solve the CFEclipse problem as I fixed the page I was working on and moved on. If I remember correctly, there had already been a bug reported in the Trac (http://trac.cfeclipse.org/cfeclipse/ticket/263). Leif On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By crashing I mean I'll type a couple lines of code, then it just stops responding and gives an hourglass until I stop it. the javaw.exe process also jumps to about 50% of my CPU. Before I did have the Java perspective incidently on before, but switched to just have cfeclipse perspective on with still the same result. Turning on the Show Heap Status option, I do have something in the lower right-hand corner that says 14M of 40M. Is that the heap? I'm going to look into reinstalling the JRE altogether next and see if that helps. On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, in eclipse, window preferences general check Show Heap Status. This will give you a little memory monitor tool in the status bar lower right corner. you can run a manual GS using it too. DK On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went through some major crashing issues for awhile, but of late things seem fairly stable. I had my issues with running eclipse with the FlexBuilder, FDS, and CFEclipse plugins under Eclipse 3.2.1 WTP. I'm running the latest Eclipse WTP pull now though. Besides tweaking the memory settings, I now make sure I have no more than 1 perspective open at a time. Note this is when working with a FDS project. Working with CFeclipse projects only I have not seen any issues. Now, what do you mean by crashing? Just bamm there goes Eclipse? Or do you get a popup about something concerning out of memory would you like to close y or n? Check out these performance suggestions too: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t61618.html DK On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I'll state that I'm fairly new to Eclipse. I installed it and have really enjoyed its use since being convinced to give it a go after a good discussion about it during the last perimeter cf_lunch (read - shameless plug for cf_lunches). Unfortunately, starting last night, it is crashing constantly. Has anyone else had problems that last few days? The only thing that I can throw out there as a guess to whats going on is that I did upgrade from Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 2.0, around the same time. Do they maybe use some of the same files? Anyone heard of this? Googling around it seems that at least in older postings (ca. 2005) they were related, but I can't find anything newer. *I'm running with* Windows XP Eclipse Version: 3.2.2 Build id: M20070212-1330 cfeclipse 1.3.1.3 (just upgraded from 1.3.0 where it crashed as well) firefox 2.0.0.3 java version 1.5.0_6 Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. I dont really utilize the design view that often in DW so I'm not really looking forward to going back, especially since its having all sorts of sync issues right now. Probably something with the timestamps being off on files. I've had that issue with it in the past, and I was just waiting til after DST would be normal again before trying to fix something that might resolve itself in a few weeks. Cheyenne - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing?
This was supposidly fixed in the latest release though. -Steven On 3/24/07, Leif Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheyenne, I remember something like this happening to me last month with a specific page I was working on. If I recall correctly, all I had to do is type cfscript and CFEclipse would freeze up. It might have been another tag, but I believe that was the one. I did not solve the CFEclipse problem as I fixed the page I was working on and moved on. If I remember correctly, there had already been a bug reported in the Trac ( http://trac.cfeclipse.org/cfeclipse/ticket/263). Leif On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By crashing I mean I'll type a couple lines of code, then it just stops responding and gives an hourglass until I stop it. the javaw.exe process also jumps to about 50% of my CPU. Before I did have the Java perspective incidently on before, but switched to just have cfeclipse perspective on with still the same result. Turning on the Show Heap Status option, I do have something in the lower right-hand corner that says 14M of 40M. Is that the heap? I'm going to look into reinstalling the JRE altogether next and see if that helps. On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, in eclipse, window preferences general check Show Heap Status. This will give you a little memory monitor tool in the status bar lower right corner. you can run a manual GS using it too. DK On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went through some major crashing issues for awhile, but of late things seem fairly stable. I had my issues with running eclipse with the FlexBuilder, FDS, and CFEclipse plugins under Eclipse 3.2.1 WTP. I'm running the latest Eclipse WTP pull now though. Besides tweaking the memory settings, I now make sure I have no more than 1 perspective open at a time. Note this is when working with a FDS project. Working with CFeclipse projects only I have not seen any issues. Now, what do you mean by crashing? Just bamm there goes Eclipse? Or do you get a popup about something concerning out of memory would you like to close y or n? Check out these performance suggestions too: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t61618.html DK On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I'll state that I'm fairly new to Eclipse. I installed it and have really enjoyed its use since being convinced to give it a go after a good discussion about it during the last perimeter cf_lunch (read - shameless plug for cf_lunches). Unfortunately, starting last night, it is crashing constantly. Has anyone else had problems that last few days? The only thing that I can throw out there as a guess to whats going on is that I did upgrade from Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 2.0, around the same time. Do they maybe use some of the same files? Anyone heard of this? Googling around it seems that at least in older postings (ca. 2005) they were related, but I can't find anything newer. I'm running with Windows XPEclipse Version: 3.2.2 Build id: M20070212-1330 cfeclipse 1.3.1.3 (just upgraded from 1.3.0 where it crashed as well) firefox 2.0.0.3 java version 1.5.0_6 Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. I dont really utilize the design view that often in DW so I'm not really looking forward to going back, especially since its having all sorts of sync issues right now. Probably something with the timestamps being off on files. I've had that issue with it in the past, and I was just waiting til after DST would be normal again before trying to fix something that might resolve itself in a few weeks. Cheyenne - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing?
Did you upgrade your JRE at that time? One suggestion has been to completely uninstall your Java JRE and then get a fresh non-upgrade version. On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I'll state that I'm fairly new to Eclipse. I installed it and have really enjoyed its use since being convinced to give it a go after a good discussion about it during the last perimeter cf_lunch (read - shameless plug for cf_lunches). Unfortunately, starting last night, it is crashing constantly. Has anyone else had problems that last few days? The only thing that I can throw out there as a guess to whats going on is that I did upgrade from Firefox 1.5to Firefox 2.0, around the same time. Do they maybe use some of the same files? Anyone heard of this? Googling around it seems that at least in older postings (ca. 2005) they were related, but I can't find anything newer. *I'm running with* Windows XP Eclipse Version: 3.2.2 Build id: M20070212-1330 cfeclipse 1.3.1.3 (just upgraded from 1.3.0 where it crashed as well) firefox 2.0.0.3 java version 1.5.0_6 Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. I dont really utilize the design view that often in DW so I'm not really looking forward to going back, especially since its having all sorts of sync issues right now. Probably something with the timestamps being off on files. I've had that issue with it in the past, and I was just waiting til after DST would be normal again before trying to fix something that might resolve itself in a few weeks. Cheyenne - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Teddy R. Payne Adobe Certified ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Google Talk - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlanta ColdFusion User Group - http://www.acfug.org Atlanta Flash Flex User Group - http://www.affug.org - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing?
Each should have their own private jvm, but perhaps one of them is a public (not private) and conflicting with the other program. Since this is a new eclipse installation and is the one running. I would remove it. Then do a reinstall and see if it stops. Then load in cfeclipse and test it, etc. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheyenne Throckmorton Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:27 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing? First off, I'll state that I'm fairly new to Eclipse. I installed it and have really enjoyed its use since being convinced to give it a go after a good discussion about it during the last perimeter cf_lunch (read - shameless plug for cf_lunches). Unfortunately, starting last night, it is crashing constantly. Has anyone else had problems that last few days? The only thing that I can throw out there as a guess to whats going on is that I did upgrade from Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 2.0, around the same time. Do they maybe use some of the same files? Anyone heard of this? Googling around it seems that at least in older postings (ca. 2005) they were related, but I can't find anything newer. I'm running with Windows XP Eclipse Version: 3.2.2 Build id: M20070212-1330 cfeclipse 1.3.1.3 (just upgraded from 1.3.0 where it crashed as well) firefox 2.0.0.3 java version 1.5.0_6 Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. I dont really utilize the design view that often in DW so I'm not really looking forward to going back, especially since its having all sorts of sync issues right now. Probably something with the timestamps being off on files. I've had that issue with it in the past, and I was just waiting til after DST would be normal again before trying to fix something that might resolve itself in a few weeks. Cheyenne - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing?
I went through some major crashing issues for awhile, but of late things seem fairly stable. I had my issues with running eclipse with the FlexBuilder, FDS, and CFEclipse plugins under Eclipse 3.2.1 WTP. I'm running the latest Eclipse WTP pull now though. Besides tweaking the memory settings, I now make sure I have no more than 1 perspective open at a time. Note this is when working with a FDS project. Working with CFeclipse projects only I have not seen any issues. Now, what do you mean by crashing? Just bamm there goes Eclipse? Or do you get a popup about something concerning out of memory would you like to close y or n? Check out these performance suggestions too: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t61618.html DK On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I'll state that I'm fairly new to Eclipse. I installed it and have really enjoyed its use since being convinced to give it a go after a good discussion about it during the last perimeter cf_lunch (read - shameless plug for cf_lunches). Unfortunately, starting last night, it is crashing constantly. Has anyone else had problems that last few days? The only thing that I can throw out there as a guess to whats going on is that I did upgrade from Firefox 1.5to Firefox 2.0, around the same time. Do they maybe use some of the same files? Anyone heard of this? Googling around it seems that at least in older postings (ca. 2005) they were related, but I can't find anything newer. *I'm running with* Windows XP Eclipse Version: 3.2.2 Build id: M20070212-1330 cfeclipse 1.3.1.3 (just upgraded from 1.3.0 where it crashed as well) firefox 2.0.0.3 java version 1.5.0_6 Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. I dont really utilize the design view that often in DW so I'm not really looking forward to going back, especially since its having all sorts of sync issues right now. Probably something with the timestamps being off on files. I've had that issue with it in the past, and I was just waiting til after DST would be normal again before trying to fix something that might resolve itself in a few weeks. Cheyenne - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing?
also, in eclipse, window preferences general check Show Heap Status. This will give you a little memory monitor tool in the status bar lower right corner. you can run a manual GS using it too. DK On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went through some major crashing issues for awhile, but of late things seem fairly stable. I had my issues with running eclipse with the FlexBuilder, FDS, and CFEclipse plugins under Eclipse 3.2.1 WTP. I'm running the latest Eclipse WTP pull now though. Besides tweaking the memory settings, I now make sure I have no more than 1 perspective open at a time. Note this is when working with a FDS project. Working with CFeclipse projects only I have not seen any issues. Now, what do you mean by crashing? Just bamm there goes Eclipse? Or do you get a popup about something concerning out of memory would you like to close y or n? Check out these performance suggestions too: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t61618.html DK On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I'll state that I'm fairly new to Eclipse. I installed it and have really enjoyed its use since being convinced to give it a go after a good discussion about it during the last perimeter cf_lunch (read - shameless plug for cf_lunches). Unfortunately, starting last night, it is crashing constantly. Has anyone else had problems that last few days? The only thing that I can throw out there as a guess to whats going on is that I did upgrade from Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 2.0, around the same time. Do they maybe use some of the same files? Anyone heard of this? Googling around it seems that at least in older postings (ca. 2005) they were related, but I can't find anything newer. *I'm running with* Windows XP Eclipse Version: 3.2.2 Build id: M20070212-1330 cfeclipse 1.3.1.3 (just upgraded from 1.3.0 where it crashed as well) firefox 2.0.0.3 java version 1.5.0_6 Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. I dont really utilize the design view that often in DW so I'm not really looking forward to going back, especially since its having all sorts of sync issues right now. Probably something with the timestamps being off on files. I've had that issue with it in the past, and I was just waiting til after DST would be normal again before trying to fix something that might resolve itself in a few weeks. Cheyenne - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] cfeclipse crashing?
By crashing I mean I'll type a couple lines of code, then it just stops responding and gives an hourglass until I stop it. the javaw.exe process also jumps to about 50% of my CPU. Before I did have the Java perspective incidently on before, but switched to just have cfeclipse perspective on with still the same result. Turning on the Show Heap Status option, I do have something in the lower right-hand corner that says 14M of 40M. Is that the heap? I'm going to look into reinstalling the JRE altogether next and see if that helps. On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, in eclipse, window preferences general check Show Heap Status. This will give you a little memory monitor tool in the status bar lower right corner. you can run a manual GS using it too. DK On 3/23/07, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went through some major crashing issues for awhile, but of late things seem fairly stable. I had my issues with running eclipse with the FlexBuilder, FDS, and CFEclipse plugins under Eclipse 3.2.1 WTP. I'm running the latest Eclipse WTP pull now though. Besides tweaking the memory settings, I now make sure I have no more than 1 perspective open at a time. Note this is when working with a FDS project. Working with CFeclipse projects only I have not seen any issues. Now, what do you mean by crashing? Just bamm there goes Eclipse? Or do you get a popup about something concerning out of memory would you like to close y or n? Check out these performance suggestions too: http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t61618.html DK On 3/23/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I'll state that I'm fairly new to Eclipse. I installed it and have really enjoyed its use since being convinced to give it a go after a good discussion about it during the last perimeter cf_lunch (read - shameless plug for cf_lunches). Unfortunately, starting last night, it is crashing constantly. Has anyone else had problems that last few days? The only thing that I can throw out there as a guess to whats going on is that I did upgrade from Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 2.0, around the same time. Do they maybe use some of the same files? Anyone heard of this? Googling around it seems that at least in older postings (ca. 2005) they were related, but I can't find anything newer. *I'm running with* Windows XP Eclipse Version: 3.2.2 Build id: M20070212-1330 cfeclipse 1.3.1.3 (just upgraded from 1.3.0 where it crashed as well) firefox 2.0.0.3 java version 1.5.0_6 Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. I dont really utilize the design view that often in DW so I'm not really looking forward to going back, especially since its having all sorts of sync issues right now. Probably something with the timestamps being off on files. I've had that issue with it in the past, and I was just waiting til after DST would be normal again before trying to fix something that might resolve itself in a few weeks. Cheyenne - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -