RE: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

2006-10-04 Thread Dan Kaufman
The recent posts on this "CSS-a little off topic" thread re upgrading
browsers was, I think, triggered by my comment/tip to Dusty to use Firefox
as a development browser while coding his CSS style sheets. My reasoning for
this was based on (sometimes painful) personal experience of having "styled
away" on a site-writing the CSS, using IE 6 as my dev. Browser.  Probably
because it was the default browser in my CF Studio 5. 

Everyone knows CSS can be tricky and a pain in the booty sometimes to make
it do what you want it to do when it used to be *so easy* to use Table tags.
So struggle I would and ultimately it worked and I was happy-until I finally
thought to look at the site with other browsers such as Netscape (not 4
heaven forbid) and everything blew up.

The problem I ultimately found was that IE had its own way of doing things
which were often non-standard with respect to W3C guidelines.  Okay, so my
site worked in 80% of the browsers out there.  Big deal it didn't work for
the minority. One day though-before I was aware of the disaster I had coded,
my client called me up and wanted to know why their (very expensive) website
didn't work at home-but it does at the office.  IE at the office, NS at
home!

So I learned a few lessons here.  Now I write CSS using the most standards
compliant browser, recommended by many experts within the CSS community,
Firefox. AND I check against IE as I go.  When I find a condition that is
correct standards-wise but fails adversely in IE I first look at my
standards-correct definitions to see if there is an alternate approach that
still produces the desired layout/style and works in both the "standards
compliant" browser and IE at the same time. If I can't easily do that and I
need to incorporate an "IE hack" I do so, checking to see that it is still
working in Firefox AND I add comment lines in my CSS code flagging attention
to the non-standard/hacked definitions.  I do this so if and when I need to
go back and "fix" the CSS due to a browser upgrade, etc. I can see exactly
where to go to do my fixing.

I now feel looking back on my learning curve with CSS that ultimately your
best product will be one that is as fully standards compliant as possible
with as few hacks or work-arounds as possible.  I think the evidence that
Microsoft's IE 7 team has worked closely with the W3C to (finally) become
compliant is testament of merits of this approach.

Just like Steven says, make your CSS standards compliant now or fix it
later. Your choice.  I agree, good advice.


Dan Kaufman 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Ross
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:08 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

I didn't mean to insinuate that IE 7 is coming out so eveyone will
upgrade... i was just making the point that if you intend to future
proof your css build for the standard and work backwards because
eventually the non compliant browsers will die off and (hopefully) the
compliant ones will take over. If you do it the other way around you
are just going to end up fixing it later.

On 10/4/06, allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> IE6 won't be going anywhere for a long time - do you really think
corporate
> america will upgrade the minute 7 is final?
>
> Who is running win2k in 2006? :)
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:55:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
>
>
> Yeah i follow this same track... easier for me to get it right
> (epecially since ie 6 will go away at some point) and support the
> standards then hack backwards to get IE compatibility.
>
>
>
> On 10/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, when it comes to CSS, IE stinks.  You can write relatively standard
> > code in Firefox (heck even Safari), and standards are good.  But since
the
> > majority of people choose IE, you then have to come up with
> fixes.  Probably
> > more time consuming, but I start in FF, to get more standard oriented
> code.
> >  Then I go to IE to make things work there.  Usually cursing how bad
it's
> > standards support is.  Bias, no.
> >
> > mcg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > 10/03/2006 04:55 PM
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> > Please respond to
> >  discussion@acfug.org
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> > To discussion@acfug.org
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> > cc
> >
> > Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
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Re: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

2006-10-04 Thread Steven Ross

I didn't mean to insinuate that IE 7 is coming out so eveyone will
upgrade... i was just making the point that if you intend to future
proof your css build for the standard and work backwards because
eventually the non compliant browsers will die off and (hopefully) the
compliant ones will take over. If you do it the other way around you
are just going to end up fixing it later.

On 10/4/06, allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


IE6 won't be going anywhere for a long time - do you really think corporate
america will upgrade the minute 7 is final?

Who is running win2k in 2006? :)

- Original Message 
From: Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: discussion@acfug.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:55:55 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic


Yeah i follow this same track... easier for me to get it right
(epecially since ie 6 will go away at some point) and support the
standards then hack backwards to get IE compatibility.



On 10/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, when it comes to CSS, IE stinks.  You can write relatively standard
> code in Firefox (heck even Safari), and standards are good.  But since the
> majority of people choose IE, you then have to come up with
fixes.  Probably
> more time consuming, but I start in FF, to get more standard oriented
code.
>  Then I go to IE to make things work there.  Usually cursing how bad it's
> standards support is.  Bias, no.
>
> mcg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 10/03/2006 04:55 PM
>
> Please respond to
>  discussion@acfug.org
>
>
> To discussion@acfug.org
>
> cc
>
> Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
>
>
>
>
>
> Dan - I have to disagree with you :) As someone who has been doing html
> since it started, my advice is always to either:
>  a. work in IE because if you get it right there, you can get it right
> anywhere
>  b. check both at the same time.
>
>  Checking Firefox only will cause more time/work on you in the long run.
>
>  Of course, as my first professor said, there are 1,000 ways to utica. :)
>
>  Also, technically to save a line of code - you could bring the
margin-left
> and right into one line of code. And you could also do:
>
>  margin: top right bottom left
>
>  so a typical default is:
>
>  margin: 0 auto auto auto
>
>  -- Allen
>  http://www.htmlcenter.com
>  http://www.centernetworks.com
>
> - Original Message 
>  From: Dan Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: discussion@acfug.org
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 4:51:48 PM
>  Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
>
> Dusty,
>
>
>
> Mary Catherine is right about adding to the CSS definition text-align:
> center;  (I was a little too quick in my reply)
>
>
>
> #MyDiv
>
> {
>
> margin-left: auto;
>  margin-right: auto;
>
> }
>
>
>
> Body
>
> {
>
> text-align: center;
>
> }
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In general remember Google is your friend.  Just Google for CSS Center
>
>
>
> Next, remember you can always View/Page Source for any web page.  You see
a
> site that uses CSS, view the page source, if the style sheet is "linked"
> just copy the path, it will be in the  section, paste this back into
> your browser and you'll be looking at their CSS for that page/site.  Study
> it to see how they positioned and styled elements, etc.
>
>
>
> The biggest headache you'll have is with IE. The problem here is IE often
> follows its own rules and not strict W3C guidelines. So you'll do a page,
> developing with IE and think GREAT it works, only to see the site with
> Netscape or Firefox and it has blown up.  This has been my personal
nemesis.
>  Until I SWITCHED TO FIREFOX.  It really is a better browser.  Now I
develop
> my CSS using Firefox and then "tweak" it to work with IE's quirks.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
>
>
> Dan Kaufman
>
>
>
>  
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:12 PM
>  To: discussion@acfug.org
>  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
>
>
>
>
>  I believe that you have to use margin: auto (or at least right and left)
> for it to play nice in IE.  You may also have to put a container around
your
> div with text-align:center.  Or you can add that to your BODY tag. (I'm a
> little rusty on this myself)
>
>  mcg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

2006-10-04 Thread Douglas Knudsen
*raises hand*  :)  we are also officially still on Office 97 too.  I'm actually sort of spoiled though, as we officially only support IE 6 on our intranet where I do all my work.  So I can sit in the stands and watch the CSS death matches.
DKOn 10/4/06, allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IE6 won't be going anywhere for a long time - do you really think corporate america will upgrade the minute 7 is final?
Who is running win2k in 2006? :)- Original Message From: Steven Ross <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: discussion@acfug.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:55:55 AMSubject: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topicYeah i follow this same track... easier for me to get it right(epecially since ie 6 will go away at some point) and support the
standards then hack backwards to get IE compatibility.On 10/4/06,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]<
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Yes, when it comes to CSS, IE stinks.  You can write relatively standard> code in Firefox (heck even Safari), and standards are good.  But since the
> majority of people choose IE, you then have to come up with fixes.  Probably> more time consuming, but I start in FF, to get more standard oriented code.>  Then I go to IE to make things work there.  Usually cursing how bad it's
> standards support is.  Bias, no.>> mcg allen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 10/03/2006 04:55 PM>> Please respond to
>  discussion@acfug.org>>> To 
discussion@acfug.org>> cc>> Subject Re: [ACFUG
 Discuss] css - a little off topic>> Dan - I have to disagree with you :) As someone who has been doing html> since it started, my advice is always to either:>  a. work in IE because if you get it right there, you can get it right
> anywhere>  b. check both at the same time.>>  Checking Firefox only will cause more time/work on you in the long run.>>  Of course, as my first professor said, there are 1,000 ways to utica. :)
>>  Also, technically to save a line of code - you could bring the margin-left> and right into one line of code. And you could also do:>>  margin: top right bottom left>>  so a typical default is:
>>  margin: 0 auto auto auto>>  -- Allen>  http://www.htmlcenter.com>  
http://www.centernetworks.com>> - Original Message >  From: Dan Kaufman <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>  To: discussion@acfug.org>  Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 4:51:48 PM
>  Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic>> Dusty, Mary Catherine is right about adding to the CSS definition text-align:> center;  (I was a little too quick in my reply)
 #MyDiv>> {>> margin-left: auto;>  margin-right: auto;>> }
 Body>> {>> text-align: center;>> } In general remember Google is your friend.  Just Google for CSS Center
 Next, remember you can always View/Page Source for any web page.  You see a> site that uses CSS, view the page source, if the style sheet is "linked"> just copy the path, it will be in the  section, paste this back into
> your browser and you'll be looking at their CSS for that page/site.  Study> it to see how they positioned and styled elements, etc. The biggest headache you'll have is with IE. The problem here is IE often
> follows its own rules and not strict W3C guidelines. So you'll do a page,> developing with IE and think GREAT it works, only to
 see the site with> Netscape or Firefox and it has blown up.  This has been my personal nemesis.>  Until I SWITCHED TO FIREFOX.  It really is a better browser.  Now I develop> my CSS using Firefox and then "tweak" it to work with IE's quirks.
 Good luck, Dan Kaufman  >>> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:12 PM>  To: discussion@acfug.org
>  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic>  I believe that you have to use margin: auto (or at least right and left)> for it to play nice in IE.  You may also have to put a container around
 your> div with text-align:center.  Or you can add that to your BODY tag. (I'm a> little rusty on this myself)>>  mcg> Dusty Hale <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>  Sent by: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 10/03/2006 03:59 PM> Please respond to>  
discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org>> cc>
> Subject [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic>>  Does anyone know how to center a div using css? I should know this and
> maybe just forgot. Google search only produces reference to the text-align> property. I want to center the box on the page not the content inside the> box. For
 example>>  >>  Hello World>>  >>  --->>  /* css code */>>  #mydiv {  What goes here to make the div box centered on the page.  }
  Many thanks,>>  Dusty ->  To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @
>  http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform>>  For more info, see 
http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists>  Archive @> http://w

Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

2006-10-04 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine

Well technically the EPA only supports
IE 6, but lots of people around here use FF, but I live in the IT world
over here.  But also they are big on pushing auto updates out.  And
I would think that those that have autoupdates IE 7 would be pushed out
(at least to XP users).  So a good chunk of your users might end up
with IE7 (depending on your XP usage).

mcg






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*raises hand*  :)  we are also officially still
on Office 97 too.  I'm actually sort of spoiled though, as we officially
only support IE 6 on our intranet where I do all my work.  So I can
sit in the stands and watch the CSS death matches. 

DK

On 10/4/06, allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
IE6 won't be going anywhere for a long
time - do you really think corporate america will upgrade the minute 7
is final? 

Who is running win2k in 2006? :)

- Original Message 
From: Steven Ross <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: discussion@acfug.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:55:55
AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

Yeah i follow this same track... easier for
me to get it right
(epecially since ie 6 will go away at some point) and support the 
standards then hack backwards to get IE compatibility.



On 10/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Yes, when it comes to CSS, IE stinks.  You can write relatively
standard
> code in Firefox (heck even Safari), and standards are good.  But
since the 
> majority of people choose IE, you then have to come up with fixes.
 Probably
> more time consuming, but I start in FF, to get more standard oriented
code.
>  Then I go to IE to make things work there.  Usually cursing
how bad it's 
> standards support is.  Bias, no.
>
> mcg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> allen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 10/03/2006 04:55 PM
>
> Please respond to 
>  discussion@acfug.org
>
>
> To discussion@acfug.org
>
> cc
>
> Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
>
>
>
>
>
> Dan - I have to disagree with you :) As someone who has been doing
html
> since it started, my advice is always to either:
>  a. work in IE because if you get it right there, you can get
it right 
> anywhere
>  b. check both at the same time.
>
>  Checking Firefox only will cause more time/work on you in the
long run.
>
>  Of course, as my first professor said, there are 1,000 ways
to utica. :) 
>
>  Also, technically to save a line of code - you could bring the
margin-left
> and right into one line of code. And you could also do:
>
>  margin: top right bottom left
>
>  so a typical default is: 
>
>  margin: 0 auto auto auto
>
>  -- Allen
>  http://www.htmlcenter.com
>   http://www.centernetworks.com
>
> - Original Message 
>  From: Dan Kaufman <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: discussion@acfug.org
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 4:51:48 PM 
>  Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic
>
> Dusty,
>
>
>
> Mary Catherine is right about adding to the CSS definition text-align:
> center;  (I was a little too quick in my reply) 
>
>
>
> #MyDiv
>
>             {
>
> margin-left: auto;
>  margin-right: auto;
>
> }
>
>
>
> Body
>
>             {
>
> text-align: center;
>
> }
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In general remember Google is your friend.  Just Google for CSS
Center 
>
>
>
> Next, remember you can always View/Page Source for any web page.  You
see a
> site that uses CSS, view the page source, if the style sheet is "linked"
> just copy the path, it will be in the  section, paste
this back into 
> your browser and you'll be looking at their CSS for that page/site.
 Study
> it to see how they positioned and styled elements, etc.
>
>
>
> The biggest headache you'll have is with IE. The problem here is IE
often 
> follows its own rules and not strict W3C guidelines. So you'll do
a page,
> developing with IE and think GREAT it works, only to see the site
with
> Netscape or Firefox and it has blown up.  This has been my personal
nemesis.
>  Until I SWITCHED TO FIREFOX.  It really is a better browser.
 Now I develop
> my CSS using Firefox and then "tweak" it to work with IE's
quirks. 
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
>
>
> Dan Kaufman
>
>
>
>  
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:12 PM
>

Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

2006-10-04 Thread allen
IE6 won't be going anywhere for a long time - do you really think corporate america will upgrade the minute 7 is final?Who is running win2k in 2006? :)- Original Message From: Steven Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: discussion@acfug.orgSent: Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:55:55 AMSubject: Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topicYeah i follow this same track... easier for me to get it right(epecially since ie 6 will go away at some point) and support thestandards then hack backwards to get IE compatibility.On 10/4/06,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Yes, when it comes to CSS, IE stinks.  You can write relatively standard> code in Firefox (heck even Safari), and standards are good.  But since the> majority of people choose IE, you then have to come up with fixes.  Probably> more time consuming, but I start in FF, to get more standard oriented code.>  Then I go to IE to make things work there.  Usually cursing how bad it's> standards support is.  Bias, no.>> mcg allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 10/03/2006 04:55 PM>> Please respond to>  discussion@acfug.org>>> To discussion@acfug.org>> cc>> Subject Re: [ACFUG
 Discuss] css - a little off topic>> Dan - I have to disagree with you :) As someone who has been doing html> since it started, my advice is always to either:>  a. work in IE because if you get it right there, you can get it right> anywhere>  b. check both at the same time.>>  Checking Firefox only will cause more time/work on you in the long run.>>  Of course, as my first professor said, there are 1,000 ways to utica. :)>>  Also, technically to save a line of code - you could bring the margin-left> and right into one line of code. And you could also do:>>  margin: top right bottom left>>  so a typical default is:>>  margin: 0 auto auto auto>>  -- Allen>  http://www.htmlcenter.com>  http://www.centernetworks.com>> - Original Message >  From: Dan Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>  To: discussion@acfug.org>  Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 4:51:48 PM>  Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic>> Dusty, Mary Catherine is right about adding to the CSS definition text-align:> center;  (I was a little too quick in my reply) #MyDiv>> {>> margin-left: auto;>  margin-right: auto;>> }
 Body>> {>> text-align: center;>> } In general remember Google is your friend.  Just Google for CSS Center Next, remember you can always View/Page Source for any web page.  You see a> site that uses CSS, view the page source, if the style sheet is "linked"> just copy the path, it will be in the  section, paste this back into> your browser and you'll be looking at their CSS for that page/site.  Study> it to see how they positioned and styled elements, etc. The biggest headache you'll have is with IE. The problem here is IE often> follows its own rules and not strict W3C guidelines. So you'll do a page,> developing with IE and think GREAT it works, only to
 see the site with> Netscape or Firefox and it has blown up.  This has been my personal nemesis.>  Until I SWITCHED TO FIREFOX.  It really is a better browser.  Now I develop> my CSS using Firefox and then "tweak" it to work with IE's quirks. Good luck, Dan Kaufman  >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:12 PM>  To: discussion@acfug.org>  Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic>  I believe that you have to use margin: auto (or at least right and left)> for it to play nice in IE.  You may also have to put a container around
 your> div with text-align:center.  Or you can add that to your BODY tag. (I'm a> little rusty on this myself)>>  mcg> Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>  Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 10/03/2006 03:59 PM> Please respond to>  discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org>> cc>> Subject [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic>>  Does anyone know how to center a div using css? I should know this and> maybe just forgot. Google search only produces reference to the text-align> property. I want to center the box on the page not the content inside the> box. For
 example>>  >>  Hello World>>  >>  --->>  /* css code */>>  #mydiv {  What goes here to make the div box centered on the page.  }  Many thanks,>>  Dusty ->  To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @>  http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform>>  For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists>  Archive @> http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/>  List hosted by FusionLink> ->>> ->  To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @>  http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform>>  For more info, se

Re: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

2006-10-04 Thread Steven Ross

Yeah i follow this same track... easier for me to get it right
(epecially since ie 6 will go away at some point) and support the
standards then hack backwards to get IE compatibility.



On 10/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, when it comes to CSS, IE stinks.  You can write relatively standard
code in Firefox (heck even Safari), and standards are good.  But since the
majority of people choose IE, you then have to come up with fixes.  Probably
more time consuming, but I start in FF, to get more standard oriented code.
 Then I go to IE to make things work there.  Usually cursing how bad it's
standards support is.  Bias, no.

mcg







allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Dan - I have to disagree with you :) As someone who has been doing html
since it started, my advice is always to either:
 a. work in IE because if you get it right there, you can get it right
anywhere
 b. check both at the same time.

 Checking Firefox only will cause more time/work on you in the long run.

 Of course, as my first professor said, there are 1,000 ways to utica. :)

 Also, technically to save a line of code - you could bring the margin-left
and right into one line of code. And you could also do:

 margin: top right bottom left

 so a typical default is:

 margin: 0 auto auto auto

 -- Allen
 http://www.htmlcenter.com
 http://www.centernetworks.com

- Original Message 
 From: Dan Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: discussion@acfug.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 4:51:48 PM
 Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic

Dusty,



Mary Catherine is right about adding to the CSS definition text-align:
center;  (I was a little too quick in my reply)



#MyDiv

{

margin-left: auto;
 margin-right: auto;

}



Body

{

text-align: center;

}







In general remember Google is your friend.  Just Google for CSS Center



Next, remember you can always View/Page Source for any web page.  You see a
site that uses CSS, view the page source, if the style sheet is "linked"
just copy the path, it will be in the  section, paste this back into
your browser and you'll be looking at their CSS for that page/site.  Study
it to see how they positioned and styled elements, etc.



The biggest headache you'll have is with IE. The problem here is IE often
follows its own rules and not strict W3C guidelines. So you'll do a page,
developing with IE and think GREAT it works, only to see the site with
Netscape or Firefox and it has blown up.  This has been my personal nemesis.
 Until I SWITCHED TO FIREFOX.  It really is a better browser.  Now I develop
my CSS using Firefox and then "tweak" it to work with IE's quirks.



Good luck,



Dan Kaufman



 


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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:12 PM
 To: discussion@acfug.org
 Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic




 I believe that you have to use margin: auto (or at least right and left)
for it to play nice in IE.  You may also have to put a container around your
div with text-align:center.  Or you can add that to your BODY tag. (I'm a
little rusty on this myself)

 mcg








Dusty Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

10/03/2006 03:59 PM




Please respond to
 discussion@acfug.org



To discussion@acfug.org

cc

Subject [ACFUG Discuss] css - a little off topic













 Does anyone know how to center a div using css? I should know this and
maybe just forgot. Google search only produces reference to the text-align
property. I want to center the box on the page not the content inside the
box. For example

 

 Hello World

 

 ---

 /* css code */

 #mydiv {  What goes here to make the div box centered on the page.  }



 Many thanks,

 Dusty



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