Re: Who? What?
One comment, since someone brought up Linus as an example of a dictator: Linus was never chosen! on the contrary, he rose to the position of "benevolent dictator" by virtue of merit, of having made the right decisions time and time again. To make the analogy clear, a "chairman of the board" should never be elected, as Alon is proposing - he should rise naturally from the board members and the larger community by virtue of his *actions*. And if he doesn't... well, that's fine too. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Paranoia and Ivan the Stupid (was: Re: ????? ?? ??????)
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:42:43AM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > Having said that, I guess a crook considers everyone else a > crook, eh Alon? I'd like to apologize for this remark and others in similar vein that I made this morning. I do not consider Alon a crook, and I do believe he has the Amuta's best intentions at heart, just executes on them poorly. I hope Alon realizes how provoking his actions have been, and I'm sorry for not having developed an (even) thicker skin. I'd also like to encourage y'all, flamers and silent readers alike, to stop this infighting (or stop reading it, as the case may be) and go do something productive, like write free software. I'm taking my own advice now. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Paranoia and Ivan the Stupid (was: Re: ????? ?? ??????)
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:32:21AM +0200, Alon Altman wrote: > "during the meeting Muli explained off the record why he doesn't > think the Amuta should continue to exist" Your omitted a very important part of what I said: AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS. But the fact that I think the Amuta is currently broken does not mean I'd try to dissolve it using underhanded means, or try to dissolve it at all! First I'm going to try and fix the things that are broken. Having said that, I guess a crook considers everyone else a crook, eh Alon? Your unfounded accusations are ludicrous. Who's trying to make sure that there's no money in the bank? the two board members who voted to fund an activity that is 100% in line with the Amuta's goals, but did it against your wishes? As for the submission of the financial report, who do you fantasize is trying to postpone that? Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ????? ?? ??????
Wow, Alon, that's a nice set of delusional fantasies. As one of the people who voted against your being chairman of the meeting, twice, let me tell you why: I don't trust you to do what's right for Hamakor. Point. That's all. I do trust Shachar. I think your behaviour at and since the meeting is ample evidence that pretty much no one should trust you either. Also, kindly stop with the paranoid conspiracy theories about "people trying to dissolve the Amuta in sneak ways". You're embarrasing yourself. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This evening's General Assembly
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:21:06PM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: > I plan to come to the General Assembly with my laptop (which has gedit > and AbiWord) and a DiskOnKey for saving the meeting minutes on another > media. > > Can someone else please bring a backup laptop and/or a backup > DiskOnKey? I'll be lugging along my bag o' pennance, aka a laptop and an ipod. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Use of position: fixed for welcome.linux.org.il's Navigation Bar
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 05:30:16PM +0200, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > Then why not set the "reply to" header to the list address? Otherwise, > hitting "reply" will send the email to you only by default (like this > one). *sigh* http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-useful.html Can we not go there, yet again, please? ad-hominem attacks are so much more entertaining! Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hamakor General Assembly December 18th
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 11:16:30AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > "in fact, it is the role of the comptrollers is to raise issues that > they did not considered handled well ..." NO, IT IS NOT. Reread what I wrote, and what Shachar wrote, on the role of the comptrollers (both of us served as comptrollers *and* board members). Then please read http://www.mulix.org/misc/bikoret.ps.gz, and then do let us know where it gives the comptrollers carte blanche to criticize every step the board takes. Hint, it doesn't. I hope that answeres your question wrt where Adir grossly overstepped the bounds of the comptroller's positions. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hamakor General Assembly December 18th
Adir, You show a grave, and no doubt, deliberate, misinterpretation of the role the comptrollers committee. I pity the board for having to deal with you for so long. I also wonder why the other comptrollers did not put a stop to it. When we were comptrollers together, you barely said two words for the entire year. IT IS NOT the comptrollers job to second guess, criticize, and interfere with the board's plans, unless they are against the amuta's charter, which they never were! Within the charter, the board can do whatever it wants. IT IS NOT YOUR POSITION TO CRITICIZE IT. I wish you'd understand it. I wonder if we can a design a mechanism to kick out a comptroller that grossly oversteps his bounds, as Adir does every so often. It needs to be suitably temper resistant so that a well meaning and honest comptroller need not worry about doing his proper job. Probably not worth the potential danger... we should just elect better people in the future. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hamakor General Assembly December 18th
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 02:27:01AM +0200, Adir Abraham wrote: [create the position of "chair of the comptrollers"] What's the point? speaking as a former comptroller, it was never necessary before and I don't think it's necessary now. If the three comptrollers, who have very little to do as it is, can't even reach agreement between themselves on what (if) something needs to be done... than it probably doesn't need to be done. We don't need more empty titles. [create the position of "general inquisitor"] Even more pointless. You keep trying to set up mechanisms to second guess and one-up the board. I wonder why. [a board member / comptroller won't be able to switch positions] Why not? we've done it several times in the past and it worked quite well. [have a general meeting in the first quarter of every year] Why? it's the board's prerogative. [enlarge the board to 5] We've tried it, it doesn't work quite as well, we don't have enough people running for the position as it is. Best to keep the board small and offload most responsibility to willing volunteers. [have a general discussion] As long as it's time-bounded, sure. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSDC update
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 08:21:59AM -0800, G?bor Szab? wrote: > If you are ready to do it, please contact me asap by e-mail (I am > overseas right now) I'll be happy to organize a kernel / hypverisor track. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSDC discount for Hamakor friends and members
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 08:45:37PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Personally, I have a problem with both commiting to three days of lost > productivity three months in advance AND to registering to a conference > that may equally well take a "programming and selling FOSS" (in which > case I'll gladly come) and "Writing efficient small perl", in which case > it is not my personal need. Surely you understand the need for early registation to allow the organizers to estimate both their revenue and expenses? which is not to say everyone should register early - usually there's also regular and late registration. However there's no doubt that from the POV of the organizers, early registration is the most useful. > I'll gladly hear more specifics about what direction the conference is > taking, so that I can see if I have anything to contribute. Why not propose something and thus affect the direction it will take? Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSDC discount for Hamakor friends and members
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 06:32:06PM +0200, Orna Agmon wrote: > The registration for The Open Source Developers' Conferences (OSDC), a > three day conference with 3 parallel tracks, is now open: > > http://www.osdc.org.il/index.html I think this is an awesome initiative and I'm very glad Hamakor is supporting it. Is there anything more we can do? personally and as an Amuta? Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The cost of translations
On Sat, Oct 29, 2005 at 01:46:32AM +0200, G?bor Szab? wrote: [snipped] This email is a heads up that your friendly list moderation team sometimes takes a while to approve messages (e.g. this one took 3 days...). If you send a message to the list and it does not show up in a reasonable ammount of time, either send it from a subscribed address, or feel free to email me privately and I'll check if it's in the moderation queue and approve it if necessary. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ????? ??? ??? ? ?? ????? (fwd)
Nir and everyone else, sans Elad, procmail is your friend. \|||/ (o o) |ooO~~(_)~~~| | Please| | don't feed the| | TROLLS ! | '~~Ooo~~' |__|__| || || ooO Ooo Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Go-Linux 2005
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 07:23:31PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: > Hi, > > I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for Israel > Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). No, ILUG, Israeli Linux User Group. No relation to IGLU or Hamakor or anything else that is community oriented. > I didn't hear anything about this event from the community, and it seems > we are not involved. Any one interested in changing this? (Keep in mind > that the audience is for business and not philosophy). Speaking for myself only, not particularly, but don't let that stop you ;-) Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
