Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

[Nate Coraor]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Donald Stufft  wrote:

> On September 3, 2015 at 8:15:53 AM, Daniel Holth (dho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > We could at least merge the implementation of the SOABI tag for Python
> 2.7
> > (cp27m, cp27mu, ...), which has been in the PEP from the beginning but
> was
> > never implemented for Python 2. This lets you distinguish between wheels
> > built for CPython with debug, pymalloc, unicode builds.
> >
> > For pypy which does not have SOABI, the current 'none' should suffice.
>

The ABI tag code as written will actually set it for PyPy (e.g. 'pp222mu')
since the SOABI config var is unset on it (and probably any other
non-Python-3 implementation). This was intentional since PyPy does actually
build some C Extensions, but I can limit SOABI detection to CPython if it
doesn't make sense to do it on PyPy.

However, I see now it will also be set for Jython, which it definitely
should not do, so I'll fix that regardless.


> >
>
> Merging the SOABI tag sounds like a win to me.
>

I'll create PRs for this against wheel and pip shortly. I can also work on
a PEP for the platform tag - I don't think it's going to need to be a big
one. Are there any preferences as to whether this should be a new PEP or an
update to 425?


>
> -
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Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

[Daniel Holth]

IIRC there's also a bug where we use pypy's version "2.6.2" and not the
version of Python it implements "2.7" for the first tag.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:53 AM Nate Coraor  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Donald Stufft  wrote:
>
>> On September 3, 2015 at 8:15:53 AM, Daniel Holth (dho...@gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>> > We could at least merge the implementation of the SOABI tag for Python
>> 2.7
>> > (cp27m, cp27mu, ...), which has been in the PEP from the beginning but
>> was
>> > never implemented for Python 2. This lets you distinguish between wheels
>> > built for CPython with debug, pymalloc, unicode builds.
>> >
>> > For pypy which does not have SOABI, the current 'none' should suffice.
>>
>
> The ABI tag code as written will actually set it for PyPy (e.g. 'pp222mu')
> since the SOABI config var is unset on it (and probably any other
> non-Python-3 implementation). This was intentional since PyPy does actually
> build some C Extensions, but I can limit SOABI detection to CPython if it
> doesn't make sense to do it on PyPy.
>
> However, I see now it will also be set for Jython, which it definitely
> should not do, so I'll fix that regardless.
>
>
>> >
>>
>> Merging the SOABI tag sounds like a win to me.
>>
>
> I'll create PRs for this against wheel and pip shortly. I can also work on
> a PEP for the platform tag - I don't think it's going to need to be a big
> one. Are there any preferences as to whether this should be a new PEP or an
> update to 425?
>
>
>>
>> -
>> Donald Stufft
>> PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372
>> DCFA
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

[Nate Coraor]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Daniel Holth  wrote:

> IIRC there's also a bug where we use pypy's version "2.6.2" and not the
> version of Python it implements "2.7" for the first tag.
>

It's the other way around:

https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/2882

My changes set the Python tag to the version of PyPy.


> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:53 AM Nate Coraor  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Donald Stufft  wrote:
>>
>>> On September 3, 2015 at 8:15:53 AM, Daniel Holth (dho...@gmail.com)
>>> wrote:
>>> > We could at least merge the implementation of the SOABI tag for Python
>>> 2.7
>>> > (cp27m, cp27mu, ...), which has been in the PEP from the beginning but
>>> was
>>> > never implemented for Python 2. This lets you distinguish between
>>> wheels
>>> > built for CPython with debug, pymalloc, unicode builds.
>>> >
>>> > For pypy which does not have SOABI, the current 'none' should suffice.
>>>
>>
>> The ABI tag code as written will actually set it for PyPy (e.g.
>> 'pp222mu') since the SOABI config var is unset on it (and probably any
>> other non-Python-3 implementation). This was intentional since PyPy does
>> actually build some C Extensions, but I can limit SOABI detection to
>> CPython if it doesn't make sense to do it on PyPy.
>>
>> However, I see now it will also be set for Jython, which it definitely
>> should not do, so I'll fix that regardless.
>>
>
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Merging the SOABI tag sounds like a win to me.
>>>
>>
>> I'll create PRs for this against wheel and pip shortly. I can also work
>> on a PEP for the platform tag - I don't think it's going to need to be a
>> big one. Are there any preferences as to whether this should be a new PEP
>> or an update to 425?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Donald Stufft
>>> PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372
>>> DCFA
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

[Nate Coraor]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Nate Coraor  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Daniel Holth  wrote:
>
>> IIRC there's also a bug where we use pypy's version "2.6.2" and not the
>> version of Python it implements "2.7" for the first tag.
>>
>
> It's the other way around:
>
> https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/2882
>
> My changes set the Python tag to the version of PyPy.
>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:53 AM Nate Coraor  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Donald Stufft  wrote:
>>>
 On September 3, 2015 at 8:15:53 AM, Daniel Holth (dho...@gmail.com)
 wrote:
 > We could at least merge the implementation of the SOABI tag for
 Python 2.7
 > (cp27m, cp27mu, ...), which has been in the PEP from the beginning
 but was
 > never implemented for Python 2. This lets you distinguish between
 wheels
 > built for CPython with debug, pymalloc, unicode builds.
 >
 > For pypy which does not have SOABI, the current 'none' should suffice.

>>>
>>> The ABI tag code as written will actually set it for PyPy (e.g.
>>> 'pp222mu') since the SOABI config var is unset on it (and probably any
>>> other non-Python-3 implementation). This was intentional since PyPy does
>>> actually build some C Extensions, but I can limit SOABI detection to
>>> CPython if it doesn't make sense to do it on PyPy.
>>>
>>> However, I see now it will also be set for Jython, which it definitely
>>> should not do, so I'll fix that regardless.
>>>
>>
>>>
 >

 Merging the SOABI tag sounds like a win to me.

>>>
>>> I'll create PRs for this against wheel and pip shortly. I can also work
>>> on a PEP for the platform tag - I don't think it's going to need to be a
>>> big one. Are there any preferences as to whether this should be a new PEP
>>> or an update to 425?
>>>
>>
Here are the PRs for SOABI support and PyPy version tag correction:

https://bitbucket.org/pypa/wheel/pull-requests/55/soabi-support-for-python-2x-and-pypy/diff
https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/3075

--nate


>>>

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Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

[Daniel Holth]

We could at least merge the implementation of the SOABI tag for Python 2.7
(cp27m, cp27mu, ...), which has been in the PEP from the beginning but was
never implemented for Python 2. This lets you distinguish between wheels
built for CPython with debug, pymalloc, unicode builds.

For pypy which does not have SOABI, the current 'none' should suffice.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 7:45 PM Donald Stufft  wrote:

> On September 1, 2015 at 9:57:50 AM, Daniel Holth (dho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > Looks amazing, why don't we merge it.
> >
>
> I think we need to update the PEP or write a new PEP before we add new
> tags to the implementation.
>
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Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

[Donald Stufft]

On September 3, 2015 at 8:15:53 AM, Daniel Holth (dho...@gmail.com) wrote:
> We could at least merge the implementation of the SOABI tag for Python 2.7
> (cp27m, cp27mu, ...), which has been in the PEP from the beginning but was
> never implemented for Python 2. This lets you distinguish between wheels
> built for CPython with debug, pymalloc, unicode builds.
> 
> For pypy which does not have SOABI, the current 'none' should suffice.
> 

Merging the SOABI tag sounds like a win to me.

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[Distutils] ensurepip in linux distros

[Marcus Smith]

Can anyone summarize the state of ensurepip for the major linux distros.

Do any currently include a version that leaves ensurepip intact?
If not, will any? Moreover, would any ever also bootstrap pip for you?

I'm not asking out of interest in wanting it, more to understand for the
sake of editing pip and PyPUG docs.

thanks,
Marcus
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[Distutils] mention Copr/EPEL/IUS in pip install instructions?

[Marcus Smith]

Hello:

I'm looking for opinions on mentioning Copr and/or EPEL and/or IUS in the
pip install instructions.

Here's the PR with the actual docs changes:
https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/3067

The goal is to give people a linux distro-friendly way (at least for
fedora/centos/rhel) to upgrade pip (in distro-managed pythons) to a newer
version,  i.e. something more friendly than "get-pip.py"

I started the thread in the pypa-dev list.   thought I might get broader
feedback over here.

feedback in the PR is appreciated.

thanks
Marcus
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