[Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World

[Mikel Maron]

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/03/who-maps-the-world/555272/

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Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

[Paul Norman]

On 3/14/2018 6:47 PM, alyssa wright wrote:

Hi all,

City Lab article below on gender disparity in OSM. I actually think 
things have evolved and are more nuanced then ever before. Wondering 
if I am being naive.


Yes - part of the thesis of the article is based around the claims of 
what gets mapped. The claims in the article do not reflect reality.


OSM has more childcare centers (amenity=kindergarten) mapped than sports 
arenas or sports arenas, the examples from the article. I couldn't 
figure out what tags Levine was talking about for strip clubs.





For healthcare, the claims are vaguer, but as a general rule, "primary" 
information like something being a doctor's office, clinic, or other 
healthcare facility gets mapped faster than "subtag" information like 
what type of specialty the doctor's has. This is normal - when I'm out 
mapping, noting where there's a doctor's or clinic is more important 
than what type it is. You see the same in other subtags.


 Looking at what healthcare facilities is tagged with that additional 
information, and ignoring "general", the five most popular are 
"Obstetrics and gynaecology", "Ophthalmology", "General (internal) 
medicine", "Paediatrics", and "Trauma and orthopaedic surgery". (UK terms).


The gender percentages are interesting, and if accurate, put a much 
lower value on percentage of mapping that HOT does than I've seen in the 
past. I suspect there are some problems with different sources of 
numbers, and the numbers cited not being accurate.


[1]: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/healthcare%3Aspeciality#values
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Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World

[Marc Gemis]

Hallo,

I will not dispute the numbers in this article, but I do have some
questions on the data behind the numbers.

- Why is a bar considered a men-only place ? Can't it be a trendy
place for all kinds young people to enjoy a good night out ?
  I have seen pubs mentioned in previous articles as well. Where I
live we map "taverns" as pubs. Many taverns are places where families
go on a sunday afternoon to meet, let the children play in the
playground, have an ice-creme, pancake or even full dinner together.
- Why is a toilet without gender tag considered men-only ? Where I
live public toilets have separate sections for women and men, that is
why we do not bother to map gender.
- Why is mapping a brothel considered bad ? Can't it be seen as a
warning for families enjoying a walk with little children to avoid
those areas ? On the other hand the article asks for mapping places
where women feel safe, so isn't this part of it ?
- I think that as far as abortion clinics go that in my country it is
just one of specialisms of the regular hospitals.

So some conclusions might have been made by extrapolation from a local
situation where certain tagging indicates a gender bias. But this does
not mean that the same tagging in an other country is also
gender-biased.

Furthermore, my feeling is that we need a more positive approach to
fix missing data (whether it is caused by gender bias or not).
So instead of "We are group X, we analyzed item Y in OSM, and it's not
there. There are more items Z mapped. Bad OSM"
Can't we go for an approach
"We are group X, we need data on item Y, please help us mapping item
Y, we are grateful if you do, thanks"

I think the latter is more welcoming, more friendly, less criticising
the current mappers (according to the article  "retired white men").
Don't we all want to make OSM friendly for everybody ? including the
current mappers ?

What do you think ? Am I way off ?

m


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