Re: SOPA bill question
You're right of course, James. There's not anything django-development related that can be done. But there are a lot of bright minds reading this list and most of the subscribers on this list appreciate that there's a difference between off-topic noise and something that is actually soap-box worthy. But the mission is accomplished now that the word has gone out. If you want to actually do something, get on it. If you just want to pull out your hair and talk about how much "you wish someone would do something" than that's another matter. If django needs to be hacked on to add support for decentralized domain registration or to include some additional DNS related support that comes out of the SOPA workarounds, I'll be the first to submit a patch. /Climbs down from soap box. peace, Ryan McIntosh Software Architect PeaceWorks Technology Solutions ph: (204) 480-0314 cell: (204) 770-3682 r...@peaceworks.ca - Original Message - From: "James Bennett" To: django-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:07:53 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: SOPA bill question Folks, we've had three different members of core point out that, important as it is, this is a topic for another list/forum. Please take the discussion there, now. -- "Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct -- the best kind of correct." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
Folks, we've had three different members of core point out that, important as it is, this is a topic for another list/forum. Please take the discussion there, now. -- "Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct -- the best kind of correct." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
OMG - why don't we all go for a coffee and discuss if we are going to be discussing what we think of discussing. The above is meant as a a joke. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Andre Terra wrote: > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Etienne Robillard > wrote: > >> Further I disagree this is a bad list for discussing the implications >> SOPA, and encourages everyone to sharpen their minds on this issue, so >> please don't be "sorry" to talk about it. > > > The fact that developers who have subscribed to this list should be (and > probably are indeed) concerned about SOPA doesn't mean that the list is the > best medium through which the matter should be discussed. > > There is some overlap between the members of this community and the people > who could be affected by a bill like SOPA, but this is true for pretty much > anything online. > > Yes, it concerns us. No, it doesn't belong here. SOPA is noise as far as > Django *development* is concerned. It is not noise for django *developers*, > but there's a difference between those two words that I hope you can accept. > > > > Regards, > André Terra > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > -- Daniel Sokolowski Web Engineer KL Insight http://klinsight.com/ Tel: 613-344-2116 | Fax: 613.634.7029 993 Princess Street, Suite 212 Kingston, ON K7L 1H3, Canada Notice of Confidentiality: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review re-transmission dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and then immediately delete this transmission including all attachments without copying distributing or disclosing same. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > Further I disagree this is a bad list for discussing the implications > SOPA, and encourages everyone to sharpen their minds on this issue, so > please don't be "sorry" to talk about it. The fact that developers who have subscribed to this list should be (and probably are indeed) concerned about SOPA doesn't mean that the list is the best medium through which the matter should be discussed. There is some overlap between the members of this community and the people who could be affected by a bill like SOPA, but this is true for pretty much anything online. Yes, it concerns us. No, it doesn't belong here. SOPA is noise as far as Django *development* is concerned. It is not noise for django *developers*, but there's a difference between those two words that I hope you can accept. Regards, André Terra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
James, This SOPA bill thing probably concerns more open source communities than you could think of, including Django development, and discussing about it should be a good thing, not a bad one, as far I understand the problems it creates. Further I disagree this is a bad list for discussing the implications SOPA, and encourages everyone to sharpen their minds on this issue, so please don't be "sorry" to talk about it. Best regards, Etienne On Dec 27, 2011 11:16 PM, "James Richards" mailto:hei...@mac.com>> wrote: I do agree that the fundamental point of Django is free distribution of content. Are developers now obligated to design software that is not under their control? How does that affect contracted development obligations? This is probably not the ideal list but it is surely a worthy topic for one. Please pardon the intrusion, James > With the utmost respect, I must rebuke Paul's claim that this discussion is misplaced on the dev list. We all have a stake in this legislation. All free software projects have a stake in this legislation. I urge those unfamiliar with H.R. 3261 to google for the Cole's Notes. This legislation effects the removal of judicial oversight from the process of "incarceration" of an electronic entity. This isn't about politics at all. User contributed content is about to become a liability... > > Ryan > > - Original Message - > From: "Justin Holmes" mailto:jus...@justinholmes.com>> > To: django-developers@googlegroups.com <mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 10:12:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: SOPA bill question > > Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the > dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal / > noise ratio) is not the way. > > However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various > django IRC channels) that: > > 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and > > 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django > project *as a political act*. > > Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues > facing our community, and the social and political implications of the > various decisions that we make? > > To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this > discussion. I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the > proper guidance from the core team. > > > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Paul McMillan mailto:p...@mcmillan.ws>> wrote: >> While this bill certainly merits discussion, and may indeed be related >> to sites created with and using Django, this forum is not the place >> for it. Please do not continue this thread here. >> >> -Paul >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. >> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com <mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com>. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:django-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Justin Holmes > > Head Instructor, SlashRoot Collective > SlashRoot: Coffee House and Tech Dojo > 60 Main Street > New Paltz, NY 12561 > 845.633.8330 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com <mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com>. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:django-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com <mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com>. &g
Re: SOPA bill question
Hi All! If you're interested on this matter, I suggest you the following channels: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:thehackernews.com%20sopa http://www.google.com/search?q=site:reddit.com%20sopa A lot of people have been discussing it on these forums already where it is not OT. All the best, -- Henrique Bastos Twitter: @henriquebastos Skype: henriquebastos.net +55 21 9618-6180 On 28/12/2011, at 04:33, Alex Gaynor wrote: > No, really guys this is totally off topic for this list. Please find an > appropriate one for this discussion. > > Alex > > On Dec 27, 2011 11:16 PM, "James Richards" wrote: > I do agree that the fundamental point of Django is free distribution of > content. Are developers now obligated to design software that is not under > their control? How does that affect contracted development obligations? > This is probably not the ideal list but it is surely a worthy topic for one. > > Please pardon the intrusion, > > James > > > With the utmost respect, I must rebuke Paul's claim that this discussion is > > misplaced on the dev list. We all have a stake in this legislation. All > > free software projects have a stake in this legislation. I urge those > > unfamiliar with H.R. 3261 to google for the Cole's Notes. This legislation > > effects the removal of judicial oversight from the process of > > "incarceration" of an electronic entity. This isn't about politics at all. > > User contributed content is about to become a liability... > > > > Ryan > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Justin Holmes" > > To: django-developers@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 10:12:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > > Subject: Re: SOPA bill question > > > > Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the > > dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal / > > noise ratio) is not the way. > > > > However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various > > django IRC channels) that: > > > > 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and > > > > 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django > > project *as a political act*. > > > > Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues > > facing our community, and the social and political implications of the > > various decisions that we make? > > > > To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this > > discussion. I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the > > proper guidance from the core team. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Paul McMillan wrote: > >> While this bill certainly merits discussion, and may indeed be related > >> to sites created with and using Django, this forum is not the place > >> for it. Please do not continue this thread here. > >> > >> -Paul > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "Django developers" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Justin Holmes > > > > Head Instructor, SlashRoot Collective > > SlashRoot: Coffee House and Tech Dojo > > 60 Main Street > > New Paltz, NY 12561 > > 845.633.8330 > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Django developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Django developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > > &
Re: SOPA bill question
No, really guys this is totally off topic for this list. Please find an appropriate one for this discussion. Alex On Dec 27, 2011 11:16 PM, "James Richards" wrote: > I do agree that the fundamental point of Django is free distribution of > content. Are developers now obligated to design software that is not under > their control? How does that affect contracted development obligations? > This is probably not the ideal list but it is surely a worthy topic for > one. > > Please pardon the intrusion, > > James > > > With the utmost respect, I must rebuke Paul's claim that this discussion > is misplaced on the dev list. We all have a stake in this legislation. > All free software projects have a stake in this legislation. I urge those > unfamiliar with H.R. 3261 to google for the Cole's Notes. This legislation > effects the removal of judicial oversight from the process of > "incarceration" of an electronic entity. This isn't about politics at all. > User contributed content is about to become a liability... > > > > Ryan > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Justin Holmes" > > To: django-developers@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 10:12:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > > Subject: Re: SOPA bill question > > > > Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the > > dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal / > > noise ratio) is not the way. > > > > However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various > > django IRC channels) that: > > > > 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and > > > > 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django > > project *as a political act*. > > > > Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues > > facing our community, and the social and political implications of the > > various decisions that we make? > > > > To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this > > discussion. I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the > > proper guidance from the core team. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Paul McMillan > wrote: > >> While this bill certainly merits discussion, and may indeed be related > >> to sites created with and using Django, this forum is not the place > >> for it. Please do not continue this thread here. > >> > >> -Paul > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Django developers" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com > . > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Justin Holmes > > > > Head Instructor, SlashRoot Collective > > SlashRoot: Coffee House and Tech Dojo > > 60 Main Street > > New Paltz, NY 12561 > > 845.633.8330 > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Django developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Django developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
I do agree that the fundamental point of Django is free distribution of content. Are developers now obligated to design software that is not under their control? How does that affect contracted development obligations? This is probably not the ideal list but it is surely a worthy topic for one. Please pardon the intrusion, James > With the utmost respect, I must rebuke Paul's claim that this discussion is > misplaced on the dev list. We all have a stake in this legislation. All > free software projects have a stake in this legislation. I urge those > unfamiliar with H.R. 3261 to google for the Cole's Notes. This legislation > effects the removal of judicial oversight from the process of "incarceration" > of an electronic entity. This isn't about politics at all. User contributed > content is about to become a liability... > > Ryan > > - Original Message - > From: "Justin Holmes" > To: django-developers@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 10:12:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: SOPA bill question > > Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the > dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal / > noise ratio) is not the way. > > However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various > django IRC channels) that: > > 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and > > 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django > project *as a political act*. > > Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues > facing our community, and the social and political implications of the > various decisions that we make? > > To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this > discussion. I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the > proper guidance from the core team. > > > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Paul McMillan wrote: >> While this bill certainly merits discussion, and may indeed be related >> to sites created with and using Django, this forum is not the place >> for it. Please do not continue this thread here. >> >> -Paul >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Django developers" group. >> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Justin Holmes > > Head Instructor, SlashRoot Collective > SlashRoot: Coffee House and Tech Dojo > 60 Main Street > New Paltz, NY 12561 > 845.633.8330 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Ryan McIntosh wrote: > With the utmost respect, I must rebuke Paul's claim that this discussion is > misplaced on the dev list. We all have a stake in this legislation. All > free software projects have a stake in this legislation. I urge those > unfamiliar with H.R. 3261 to google for the Cole's Notes. This legislation > effects the removal of judicial oversight from the process of "incarceration" > of an electronic entity. This isn't about politics at all. User contributed > content is about to become a liability... Since it's unlikely that any code or other bits we commit into Django will magically influence the US Congress, this discussion really, truly does not belong on this list. -- "Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct -- the best kind of correct." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
With the utmost respect, I must rebuke Paul's claim that this discussion is misplaced on the dev list. We all have a stake in this legislation. All free software projects have a stake in this legislation. I urge those unfamiliar with H.R. 3261 to google for the Cole's Notes. This legislation effects the removal of judicial oversight from the process of "incarceration" of an electronic entity. This isn't about politics at all. User contributed content is about to become a liability... Ryan - Original Message - From: "Justin Holmes" To: django-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 10:12:10 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: SOPA bill question Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal / noise ratio) is not the way. However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various django IRC channels) that: 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django project *as a political act*. Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues facing our community, and the social and political implications of the various decisions that we make? To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this discussion. I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the proper guidance from the core team. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Paul McMillan wrote: > While this bill certainly merits discussion, and may indeed be related > to sites created with and using Django, this forum is not the place > for it. Please do not continue this thread here. > > -Paul > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > -- Justin Holmes Head Instructor, SlashRoot Collective SlashRoot: Coffee House and Tech Dojo 60 Main Street New Paltz, NY 12561 845.633.8330 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
On 12/26/2011 11:12 PM, Justin Holmes wrote: Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal / noise ratio) is not the way. However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various django IRC channels) that: 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django project *as a political act*. Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues facing our community, and the social and political implications of the various decisions that we make? To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this discussion. I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the proper guidance from the core team. I agree. The whole point about freedom of expression is that its not relevant to a "proper forum" but whether we can freely express ourselves independently from censorship on the internet. :) Cheers, Etienne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Justin Holmes wrote: > Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the > dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal / > noise ratio) is not the way. > > However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various > django IRC channels) that: > > 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and > > 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django > project *as a political act*. > > Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues > facing our community, and the social and political implications of the > various decisions that we make? > > To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this > discussion. I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the > proper guidance from the core team. If you feel that there is a space that needs to be filled, have at it -- it doesn't cost anything to create a mailing list, so create one, announce it and and start discussing. You don't need an official blessing to do this sort of thing; build it, and see if they come. The only time you need any sort of official blessing is if you want the project as a whole to make some sort of official statement. This would require us, as a project, to work out how we would collectively endorse such a statement, and would probably also involve the DSF engaging lawyers and the like to make sure we weren't putting the project as a whole at any sort of risk. However, if you just want to have the discussion, go right ahead. Just not in django-dev :-) Yours, Russ Magee %-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
Yep, there's no doubt that having these kinds of discussions on the dev list (which already struggles at times to keep a good signal / noise ratio) is not the way. However, it was clear at djangocon (and is also clear in the various django IRC channels) that: 1) Many django developers are politically conscious and active, and 2) Many django developers view their participation in the django project *as a political act*. Where, then, can we gather to discuss the social and political issues facing our community, and the social and political implications of the various decisions that we make? To my knowledge, there isn't currently a "proper forum" for this discussion. I'd like to create and cultivate one if I can get the proper guidance from the core team. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Paul McMillan wrote: > While this bill certainly merits discussion, and may indeed be related > to sites created with and using Django, this forum is not the place > for it. Please do not continue this thread here. > > -Paul > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > -- Justin Holmes Head Instructor, SlashRoot Collective SlashRoot: Coffee House and Tech Dojo 60 Main Street New Paltz, NY 12561 845.633.8330 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
While this bill certainly merits discussion, and may indeed be related to sites created with and using Django, this forum is not the place for it. Please do not continue this thread here. -Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
On 12/26/2011 07:46 PM, Jeremy Dunck wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Etienne Robillard wrote: What thus you Django developers all think of this proposed law and how could this may affect open source communities such as Django and Python to develop novel apps specifically for creating user-generated content? This feels off-topic to me; the breadth of SOPA is far beyond UGC, far beyond Django, and Django is useful for many kinds of sites that do not involve UGC. I, for one, am against it, but would prefer to discuss it in a proper forum. Hm, I suppose you're right. This maybe slightly off-topic but still I would be interested to understand how this could affect open source development and in particular dynamic web site development which involves UGC.. Finally blacklisting web sites on the basis of copyright violation sure sounds like a big trojan horse to manipulate the internet DNS system IMHO. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/16/sopa-condemned-internet-blacklist-bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
Re: SOPA bill question
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > What thus you Django developers all think of this proposed law and how could > this may affect open source communities such as Django and Python > to develop novel apps specifically for creating user-generated content? This feels off-topic to me; the breadth of SOPA is far beyond UGC, far beyond Django, and Django is useful for many kinds of sites that do not involve UGC. I, for one, am against it, but would prefer to discuss it in a proper forum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
SOPA bill question
Hi, I'm curious and at the same time a little worried by the upcoming "SOPA" bill, which would imposes in US new laws for blocking down websites and user-generated content on the basis of copyright violation. What thus you Django developers all think of this proposed law and how could this may affect open source communities such as Django and Python to develop novel apps specifically for creating user-generated content? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=SOPA+end+of+internet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
