Re: [Django] #22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless

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#22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless
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 Reporter:  steve@…  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.4
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:  worksforme
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Unreviewed
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by aaugustin ):

 You have made your point perfectly clear. We aren't interested in having
 discussions where people SHOUT. If you won't admit that you missed the
 paragraph of the tutorial that tells you to check that the version of
 Django and of the docs match, please use another web framework and give us
 a break. Thank you.

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Re: [Django] #22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless

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#22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless
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 Reporter:  steve@…  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.4
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:  worksforme
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Unreviewed
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by anonymous):

 1. No prior version of any software should have un-annotated documentation
 that claims the associated software it works, but does not.  it literally
 takes two seconds to say 'depricated' on the docs.  Further, the vast
 majority of the people in the world will have assorted old versions of
 Linux, the manufacturers of which will distribute old versions of the
 software.  If I do a 'yum install' today, it's current software. If a
 version is broken, TELL US ABOUT IT!

 2) You are wrong.  I provided you with the exact technique to reproduce
 the bug; you just do not wish to fix an old version of the software.

 3) I did not say that Django was 'totally worthless'.  I said that a
 beginner's tutorial that claims broken software works in a specific way
 was worthless, and I stand by that statement.  And, I WAS using and
 referring to version 1.4 of the documentation, as I've stated before.

 I've done software dev my whole life.  This bug report is what happens
 when you ignore maintaining the documentation.

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Re: [Django] #22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless

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#22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless
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 Reporter:  steve@…  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.4
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:  worksforme
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Unreviewed
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by bmispelon):

 Hi,

 1) The current release for the 1.4 branch is 1.4.10. If your distribution
 ships 1.4.5, you should file an issue with is maintainers because that
 version is not supported and has security vulnerabilities.

 2) Your report is not actionable for us. You're clearly having an issue
 but you're not providing us with any information as to how to reproduce
 the problem which means we can't really do anything. On top of that, as
 Tim mentionned, the 1.4 release was released several years ago and I
 suspect many people have been able to go through the tutorial.

 3) Django is a community project run by volunteers. Dismissing our work
 the way you do ("totally worthless") is not the way to report a problem
 you're having.



 As Tim wrote in his first comment, your problem is most likely caused by
 the fact that you're reading the documentation for a more recent version
 of Django than the one you have installed. There is a version switcher at
 the bottom right hand side of every page of the documentation that will
 help you switch easily between version.

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Re: [Django] #22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless

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#22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless
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 Reporter:  steve@…  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.4
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:  worksforme
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Unreviewed
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by anonymous):

 Interesting theory.. but that's all it is.  I'm simply reporting what's
 happened to me in the last two days.  Version 1.4.5, as installed by yum
 on Fedora 18, creates invalid default sites.

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Re: [Django] #22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless

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#22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless
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 Reporter:  steve@…  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.4
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:  worksforme
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Unreviewed
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by timo):

 1.4 was released nearly 2 years ago. If the tutorial were completely
 worthless, I don't think you'd be the first to discover it.

 Anyway, this ticket tracker isn't a support channel. You can find ways to
 get help [https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/#getting-help here].

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Re: [Django] #22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless

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#22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless
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 Reporter:  steve@…  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.4
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:  worksforme
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Unreviewed
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by anonymous):

 Nope 1.4 version; 1.4.5 software.

 I have an abundance of kind words for software documentation that helps,
 instead of wastes two days of it's user's time.

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Re: [Django] #22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless

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#22059: Either this tutorial, or the 1.4.5 release is totally worthless
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 Reporter:  steve@…  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Documentation|  Version:  1.4
 Severity:  Release blocker  |   Resolution:  worksforme
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Unreviewed
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by timo):

 * status:  new => closed
 * needs_better_patch:   => 0
 * resolution:   => worksforme
 * needs_tests:   => 0
 * needs_docs:   => 0


Comment:

 Thank-you for the kind words. Perhaps you are not using the version of the
 tutorial that matches the version of Django you are using.

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