Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-19 Thread Kai

On 2011-12-19 10:23:23 +, Russell Keith-Magee said:


On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Kai  wrote:

On 2011-12-17 18:37:02 +, Jisson Varghese said:


first try with djnago orm (models),then shift to sqlalchemy.


WTF?


Expletive-laden abbreviations are not a substitute for rational discussion.

You may not agree with his recommendation, and Jisson certainly hasn't
given any explanation for his recommendation, but if you can't be
bothered to give a full and reasoned response, please keep your
opinions to yourself.


WTF? SCNR

Yours
Kai


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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-19 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Kai  wrote:
> On 2011-12-17 18:37:02 +, Jisson Varghese said:
>
>> first try with djnago orm (models),then shift to sqlalchemy.
>
> WTF?

Expletive-laden abbreviations are not a substitute for rational discussion.

You may not agree with his recommendation, and Jisson certainly hasn't
given any explanation for his recommendation, but if you can't be
bothered to give a full and reasoned response, please keep your
opinions to yourself.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-19 Thread Kai

On 2011-12-17 18:37:02 +, Jisson Varghese said:


first try with djnago orm (models),then shift to sqlalchemy.


WTF?


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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-17 Thread Jisson Varghese
well Django is suitable for web application development.
Django uses Python for serverside
Mysql is a good choice as Database.In a web app database stores user
credentials,sessions,and items,its price(in your case).
I suggest SQlalchemy (ORM).
first try with djnago orm (models),then shift to sqlalchemy.
learn basics of Html,javascript,ajax,jquery,I recommand
www.w3schools.com(for a beginner).

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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread Alec Taylor
I'm great at design, at the level of i.e. Balsamiq Mockups.

It just takes me too long to build it from scratch in CSS+HTML+JS to
get from wireframe to proper design.

I am building it from satchmo as base, but am looking for other
libraries to integrate in order to be DRY-er.

Reuse FTW!

But I think if I can just separate satchmo out enough, it will be
easily integratable with other Django (and Python) libraries.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Andre Terra  wrote:
> I'll refrain from repeating what the others have said, so I'll just say I
> wholeheartedly agree.
>
> Having said that, a project like this requires *extensive* knowledge of
> HTML/JS/CSS in order to be successful, as someone pointed out. With that in
> mind, I recommend you find a partner with front end experience that can
> design the website from scratch.
>
> While Django and Python are great tools, they are also more...
> "objective"... than HTML and CSS, so usually bashing your head against a
> programming problem will eventually yield a solution, whereas you can't
> easily teach someone how to design beautiful *and* intuitive UI/UX. It's a
> long process that requires a "creative" side that not all of us have.
>
>
> Cheers,
> AT
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Tom Evans 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:17 PM, abhay hegde 
>> wrote:
>> > Great ! Thanks everyone for the response. Django is the way to go then.
>> >
>> > @ionic drive :- Not sure as it's just in the initial stage. I will have
>> > to
>> > set aside time for this one.
>> >
>>
>> Not that Django is a bad choice - it's not, its a great choice - but
>> it is largely irrelevant what language you implement your ideas in.
>> Some will be more appropriate than others, and if your idea is
>> successful, it is likely that you will need to rewrite/re-engineer
>> your site.
>>
>> For example, Amazon was initially written in C++/Perl scripts, Twitter
>> started out using RubyOnRails and a Ruby messaging queue, Facebook
>> used to be written in PHP but it was so slow they wrote a PHP -> C++
>> compiler.
>>
>> Django is an excellent choice, because it is precise, has clear
>> documentation and doesn't restrict what you can do with it.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Tom
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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread Andre Terra
I'll refrain from repeating what the others have said, so I'll just say I
wholeheartedly agree.

Having said that, a project like this requires *extensive* knowledge of
HTML/JS/CSS in order to be successful, as someone pointed out. With that in
mind, I recommend you find a partner with front end experience that can
design the website from scratch.

While Django and Python are great tools, they are also more...
"objective"... than HTML and CSS, so usually bashing your head against a
programming problem will eventually yield a solution, whereas you can't
easily teach someone how to design beautiful *and* intuitive UI/UX. It's a
long process that requires a "creative" side that not all of us have.


Cheers,
AT


On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Tom Evans wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:17 PM, abhay hegde 
> wrote:
> > Great ! Thanks everyone for the response. Django is the way to go then.
> >
> > @ionic drive :- Not sure as it's just in the initial stage. I will have
> to
> > set aside time for this one.
> >
>
> Not that Django is a bad choice - it's not, its a great choice - but
> it is largely irrelevant what language you implement your ideas in.
> Some will be more appropriate than others, and if your idea is
> successful, it is likely that you will need to rewrite/re-engineer
> your site.
>
> For example, Amazon was initially written in C++/Perl scripts, Twitter
> started out using RubyOnRails and a Ruby messaging queue, Facebook
> used to be written in PHP but it was so slow they wrote a PHP -> C++
> compiler.
>
> Django is an excellent choice, because it is precise, has clear
> documentation and doesn't restrict what you can do with it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tom
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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread Tom Evans
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:17 PM, abhay hegde  wrote:
> Great ! Thanks everyone for the response. Django is the way to go then.
>
> @ionic drive :- Not sure as it's just in the initial stage. I will have to
> set aside time for this one.
>

Not that Django is a bad choice - it's not, its a great choice - but
it is largely irrelevant what language you implement your ideas in.
Some will be more appropriate than others, and if your idea is
successful, it is likely that you will need to rewrite/re-engineer
your site.

For example, Amazon was initially written in C++/Perl scripts, Twitter
started out using RubyOnRails and a Ruby messaging queue, Facebook
used to be written in PHP but it was so slow they wrote a PHP -> C++
compiler.

Django is an excellent choice, because it is precise, has clear
documentation and doesn't restrict what you can do with it.

Cheers

Tom

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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread ionic drive
Cata

as also Denis told you I just wanted to make sure, that you know
this will be some hard years for you.

I wish you good luck on your product.
Maybe you first go with satchmo learn and improve 
than you can start off with configuring things to your needs.

Would be great to welcome you at satchmo project.

good luck
ionic


On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 17:47 +0530, abhay hegde wrote:
> Great ! Thanks everyone for the response. Django is the way to go
> then. 
> 
> @ionic drive :- Not sure as it's just in the initial stage. I will
> have to set aside time for this one.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Cata 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Denis Darii 
> wrote:
> You can consider to use django-lfs: http://www.getlfs.com/
> 
> or satchmo: http://www.satchmoproject.com/
> 
> but without basic knowledge of django, it's going to be very
> hard for you.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Cata 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am basically working on creating a website on the
> lines of Amazon/
> Ebay  wherein user can browse/buy/sell items. I intend
> to make a basic
> website first then build on top of it.
> 
> Till now i have been mostly programming in C/C++ &
> used Python as an
> automation tool . I am not familiar with any of the
> Web programming
> languages such as MySQL , JavaScript, HTML , honestly
> i do not even
> know what these are.
> 
> My question is will Django be suitable for the above
> tasks ? I have
> just installed the framework & going through the
> tutorials & so far
> it's been wonderful experience
> 
> Please pitch in
> 
> Thanks
> Cata
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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread abhay hegde
Great ! Thanks everyone for the response. Django is the way to go then.

@ionic drive :- Not sure as it's just in the initial stage. I will have to
set aside time for this one.


Thanks
Cata

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Denis Darii  wrote:

> You can consider to use django-lfs: http://www.getlfs.com/
>
> or satchmo: http://www.satchmoproject.com/
>
> but without basic knowledge of django, it's going to be very hard for you.
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Cata  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I am basically working on creating a website on the lines of Amazon/
>> Ebay  wherein user can browse/buy/sell items. I intend to make a basic
>> website first then build on top of it.
>>
>> Till now i have been mostly programming in C/C++ & used Python as an
>> automation tool . I am not familiar with any of the Web programming
>> languages such as MySQL , JavaScript, HTML , honestly i do not even
>> know what these are.
>>
>> My question is will Django be suitable for the above tasks ? I have
>> just installed the framework & going through the tutorials & so far
>> it's been wonderful experience
>>
>> Please pitch in
>>
>> Thanks
>> Cata
>>
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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread Denis Darii
You can consider to use django-lfs: http://www.getlfs.com/

or satchmo: http://www.satchmoproject.com/

but without basic knowledge of django, it's going to be very hard for you.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Cata  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I am basically working on creating a website on the lines of Amazon/
> Ebay  wherein user can browse/buy/sell items. I intend to make a basic
> website first then build on top of it.
>
> Till now i have been mostly programming in C/C++ & used Python as an
> automation tool . I am not familiar with any of the Web programming
> languages such as MySQL , JavaScript, HTML , honestly i do not even
> know what these are.
>
> My question is will Django be suitable for the above tasks ? I have
> just installed the framework & going through the tutorials & so far
> it's been wonderful experience
>
> Please pitch in
>
> Thanks
> Cata
>
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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread ionic drive
Hi cata,

Sounds great your plans. Django is exactly suitable for your needs.
How many years are you going to investigate into the project?

Best wishes
ionic

On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 22:07 +1100, Alec Taylor wrote:
> Also satchmo http://www.satchmoproject.com/
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ivo Brodien  wrote:
> and keep in mind, that you don’t have to reinvent the wheel.
> There are open source solutions for shops:
> 
> 
> Like: http://www.getlfs.com/released-06-beta-1
> 
> 
> cheers
> 
> On Dec 16, 2011, at 11:17 , Joey Espinosa wrote:
> 
> > Cata,
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, Django is exactly suited for this scenario. The
> > structure of Django allows you to create scalable, flexible
> > sites with the freedom to expand the database as needed
> > without having to worry about messing with the code so much
> > in order to do so.
> > 
> > 
> > That being said, I'd HIGHLY recommend you get familiar with
> > JS and HTML. While Django can provide you the backend
> > foundation for your sites, you need HTML (and likely JS as
> > well) on the front end to present your backend data. In
> > fact, I'd say that's (HTML) extremely important, because
> > it's the part that's going to interact directly with your
> > customer base. It can easily make or break your site,
> > regardless of how good your backend code is.
> > 
> > 
> > Hope this helped.
> > --
> > Joey "JoeLinux" Espinosa
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Cata
> >  wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > I am basically working on creating a website on the
> > lines of Amazon/
> > Ebay  wherein user can browse/buy/sell items. I
> > intend to make a basic
> > website first then build on top of it.
> > 
> > Till now i have been mostly programming in C/C++ &
> > used Python as an
> > automation tool . I am not familiar with any of the
> > Web programming
> > languages such as MySQL , JavaScript, HTML ,
> > honestly i do not even
> > know what these are.
> > 
> > My question is will Django be suitable for the above
> > tasks ? I have
> > just installed the framework & going through the
> > tutorials & so far
> > it's been wonderful experience
> > 
> > Please pitch in
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Cata
> > 
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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread Alec Taylor
Also satchmo http://www.satchmoproject.com/

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ivo Brodien  wrote:

> and keep in mind, that you don’t have to reinvent the wheel. There are
> open source solutions for shops:
>
> Like: http://www.getlfs.com/released-06-beta-1
>
> cheers
>
> On Dec 16, 2011, at 11:17 , Joey Espinosa wrote:
>
> Cata,
>
> Yes, Django is exactly suited for this scenario. The structure of Django
> allows you to create scalable, flexible sites with the freedom to expand
> the database as needed without having to worry about messing with the code
> so much in order to do so.
>
> That being said, I'd HIGHLY recommend you get familiar with JS and HTML.
> While Django can provide you the backend foundation for your sites, you
> need HTML (and likely JS as well) on the front end to present your backend
> data. In fact, I'd say that's (HTML) extremely important, because it's the
> part that's going to interact directly with your customer base. It can
> easily make or break your site, regardless of how good your backend code is.
>
> Hope this helped.
> --
> Joey "JoeLinux" Espinosa*
> *
>  
> 
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Cata  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I am basically working on creating a website on the lines of Amazon/
>> Ebay  wherein user can browse/buy/sell items. I intend to make a basic
>> website first then build on top of it.
>>
>> Till now i have been mostly programming in C/C++ & used Python as an
>> automation tool . I am not familiar with any of the Web programming
>> languages such as MySQL , JavaScript, HTML , honestly i do not even
>> know what these are.
>>
>> My question is will Django be suitable for the above tasks ? I have
>> just installed the framework & going through the tutorials & so far
>> it's been wonderful experience
>>
>> Please pitch in
>>
>> Thanks
>> Cata
>>
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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread Ivo Brodien
and keep in mind, that you don’t have to reinvent the wheel. There are open 
source solutions for shops:

Like: http://www.getlfs.com/released-06-beta-1

cheers

On Dec 16, 2011, at 11:17 , Joey Espinosa wrote:

> Cata,
> 
> Yes, Django is exactly suited for this scenario. The structure of Django 
> allows you to create scalable, flexible sites with the freedom to expand the 
> database as needed without having to worry about messing with the code so 
> much in order to do so.
> 
> That being said, I'd HIGHLY recommend you get familiar with JS and HTML. 
> While Django can provide you the backend foundation for your sites, you need 
> HTML (and likely JS as well) on the front end to present your backend data. 
> In fact, I'd say that's (HTML) extremely important, because it's the part 
> that's going to interact directly with your customer base. It can easily make 
> or break your site, regardless of how good your backend code is.
> 
> Hope this helped.
> --
> Joey "JoeLinux" Espinosa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Cata  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am basically working on creating a website on the lines of Amazon/
> Ebay  wherein user can browse/buy/sell items. I intend to make a basic
> website first then build on top of it.
> 
> Till now i have been mostly programming in C/C++ & used Python as an
> automation tool . I am not familiar with any of the Web programming
> languages such as MySQL , JavaScript, HTML , honestly i do not even
> know what these are.
> 
> My question is will Django be suitable for the above tasks ? I have
> just installed the framework & going through the tutorials & so far
> it's been wonderful experience
> 
> Please pitch in
> 
> Thanks
> Cata
> 
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Re: Creating websites like Amazon/Ebay using Django

2011-12-16 Thread Joey Espinosa
Cata,

Yes, Django is exactly suited for this scenario. The structure of Django
allows you to create scalable, flexible sites with the freedom to expand
the database as needed without having to worry about messing with the code
so much in order to do so.

That being said, I'd HIGHLY recommend you get familiar with JS and HTML.
While Django can provide you the backend foundation for your sites, you
need HTML (and likely JS as well) on the front end to present your backend
data. In fact, I'd say that's (HTML) extremely important, because it's the
part that's going to interact directly with your customer base. It can
easily make or break your site, regardless of how good your backend code is.

Hope this helped.
--
Joey "JoeLinux" Espinosa*
*





On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Cata  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I am basically working on creating a website on the lines of Amazon/
> Ebay  wherein user can browse/buy/sell items. I intend to make a basic
> website first then build on top of it.
>
> Till now i have been mostly programming in C/C++ & used Python as an
> automation tool . I am not familiar with any of the Web programming
> languages such as MySQL , JavaScript, HTML , honestly i do not even
> know what these are.
>
> My question is will Django be suitable for the above tasks ? I have
> just installed the framework & going through the tutorials & so far
> it's been wonderful experience
>
> Please pitch in
>
> Thanks
> Cata
>
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