Re: [Dng] Story: Debian Jessie laptop without systemd
On 11/04/15 19:05, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Op 10-04-15 om 19:14 schreef Anto: Hello Paul, I understand your pain as I have been there. I managed to have everything working with Debian jessie without any packages containing "*systemd*". I don't think this is a good for systemd-shim. I don't want to use any packages which are built due to systemd like systemd-shim, systemd-sysv, init-system-helpers, etc. I don't want to see anything containing and related to systemd. Not on the output of dmesg, not on any files or folders, basically not anywhere on my PC. I also used XFCE 4.10, lightdm and wicd to manage the connection to my WiFi and LAN. For XFCE issue with suspend and hibernate, It's also about shutdown. Yes. Shutdown button is active as well. So when I used XFCE 4.10 with the packages that I suggested, I could see the same buttons on the Log Out options like on my current XFCE 4.8 now https://minifora.eu/public/images/xfce_v4.8_logout_options.png. I had it working by using xfce4-power-manager package including some of its related packages and dependencies from http://angband.pl/debian/dists/nosystemd/. However, a few weeks ago I downgraded my PC to Debian wheezy. I thought it is safer to use it before switching to Devuan, instead of using the packages from Debian jessie which a lot of them are dependent on systemd. I think it is very likely that a lot of other packages will be made dependent on systemd in the near future. So my PC is now using the packages from Debian wheezy and wheezy-backports. It was quite a pain to downgrade all necessary packages like downgrading glibc 2.19 to 2.13. Of course I can only use XFCE 4.8 because of this. Downgrading is not easy with Debian. It was indeed hard but it is very far from impossible, as I managed to do that under an hour. About Synaptic, I only use it for easy searching for packages. But for package installation and upgrade, I usually use apt-get as I thought it is safer. I don't use Synaptic, but many of my customers do. For easy searching I use the webinterface. In any case, I think administration type of packages like Synaptic, GParted, etc., must only be executed with root privilege. So they should be launched with gksu in desktop. For Synaptic for instance, what I did was to copy /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop into ~/.local/share/applications, and then edit it to change "Exec=synaptic-pkexec" into "Exec=gksu synaptic". Ah, thanks. That's a good idea. You are welcome. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Story: Debian Jessie laptop without systemd
Op 10-04-15 om 18:21 schreef David Hare: > > I have sucessfully got lightdm and xfce shutdown/reboot/suspend UI's > working here. USB handling in thunar also works. All systemd components > including libsystemd0 excluded. Nice to hear! > You will need appropriate packages from > http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ and http://angband.pl/debian/ I have to study them first. > Consolekit2 is also needed.. my custom debs can be got here: > http://www.exegnulinux.net/refracta/experimental/debs-nosystemd/ (or > compile your own till devuan packages become available). You may need to > make some custom .pkla files. Is that for policy kit? I've never done that, maybe good to give an working example. > I posted a custom xfce live iso (with installer) here: > http://www.exegnulinux.net/refracta/iso/ A package list is posted there > also. This at least demonstrates required packages. The pkla files are > in /etc/polkit1/localauthority/50-local.d Thanks for your good work! With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer, Groningen http://www.vandervlis.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Story: Debian Jessie laptop without systemd
Op 10-04-15 om 19:14 schreef Anto: > Hello Paul, > > I understand your pain as I have been there. > > I managed to have everything working with Debian jessie without any > packages containing "*systemd*". I don't think this is a good for systemd-shim. > I also used XFCE 4.10, lightdm and wicd > to manage the connection to my WiFi and LAN. For XFCE issue with suspend > and hibernate, It's also about shutdown. > I had it working by using xfce4-power-manager package > including some of its related packages and dependencies from > http://angband.pl/debian/dists/nosystemd/. > > However, a few weeks ago I downgraded my PC to Debian wheezy. I thought > it is safer to use it before switching to Devuan, instead of using the > packages from Debian jessie which a lot of them are dependent on > systemd. I think it is very likely that a lot of other packages will be > made dependent on systemd in the near future. So my PC is now using the > packages from Debian wheezy and wheezy-backports. It was quite a pain to > downgrade all necessary packages like downgrading glibc 2.19 to 2.13. Of > course I can only use XFCE 4.8 because of this. Downgrading is not easy with Debian. > About Synaptic, I only use it for easy searching for packages. But for > package installation and upgrade, I usually use apt-get as I thought it > is safer. I don't use Synaptic, but many of my customers do. For easy searching I use the webinterface. > In any case, I think administration type of packages like > Synaptic, GParted, etc., must only be executed with root privilege. So > they should be launched with gksu in desktop. For Synaptic for instance, > what I did was to copy /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop into > ~/.local/share/applications, and then edit it to change > "Exec=synaptic-pkexec" into "Exec=gksu synaptic". Ah, thanks. That's a good idea. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer, Groningen http://www.vandervlis.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix!
On 11/04/15 17:11, Go Linux wrote: So I'm sure that I'm not the only one experiencing broken awesomefonts all over the web. There may even be some font tweakers on this list. Dunno. Until the mozilla fixes their UI to accommodate these stupid icon fonts in conjunction with the font preference option, there is now a temporary fix - at least for Firefox. All I'm doing is sharing it. :) golinux I don't think there is something broken and need fixing on any web sites using the fonts from http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome. You can not say that they are not working because they are not using the fonts that you want to see. So by forcing the web sites to display the fonts that you want to see, you actually break them yourself. I am not surprised that the issues like the ones reported on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635823 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789788 have not been solved for more than 3 years, because that only affects a tiny fraction of the users that want to have the web sites being displayed with the fonts that they choose. Even the visually impaired people do not have any issues with that kind of fonts. They mostly have issues seeing the size of the fonts and they way they are being displayed with certain colour schemes. Even there are plugins for that, but those kind of issues can easily be overcome without plugins. There are indeed people who are experiencing the problems using fontawesome. But all of the problems that I know of, are on setup of the web server or web sites so they are not on the web browser side. I have been following discussions related to fontawesome as I want to use the theme on my own web site based on http://getskel.com/downloads/skel-baseline/ which is using it. Cheers, Anto ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix!
Arnt . . . posting to the list because your server bounced my response as spam. On Sat, 4/11/15, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix! To: "Go Linux" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2015, 10:46 AM Go Linux writes: >> My motivations are not the point, The ability to specify fonts >> has been a preference feature of every browser I have ever used. > > > Fascinating. I see an android tablet, an ipod touch and chromium/linux in > front of me. Do you happen to know how to do it on any of those? > > Arnt Hi Arnt I don't have any mobile devices but on chromium go to Options -> Under the Hood. Then scroll down to Web Content -> Change font and language settings. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix!
On Sat, 4/11/15, hellekin wrote: Did you check that the fonts now display correctly (without the userscript)? == hk hellekin, it is not a script! It is one line of css. The icons are not fixed. They are still broken this morning. I'm going to reinstate the icon fix. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix!
Did you check that the fonts now display correctly (without the userscript)? == hk ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix!
On Sat, 4/11/15, David Harrison wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix! To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, April 11, 2015, 7:16 AM On 11/04/2015 13:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > Because I never want to see a serif font EVER and because I prefer to > see the same font used on every site that I visit. Makes browsing more > peaceful. > >> OK, so we get to the end of a long debate about how tricksy this forum >> site is, only to find that your custom browser preferences are what >> affects rendering. >> >> If you tweak your browser settings to force a certain effect, and that >> interferes with a site's css, there's a certain "on your own head be it" >> caveat to be derived. >> >> It's simply impossible to design a site/css that has any non-vanilla >> formatting at all to cater to every possible taste and, putting it >> bluntly, font prejudice. >> >> With respect, Golinux, this sounds a lot to me like "not my idea, so >> I'll shout it down". >> >> Dave H My motivations are not the point, The ability to specify fonts has been a preference feature of every browser I have ever used. So I'm sure that I'm not the only one experiencing broken awesomefonts all over the web. There may even be some font tweakers on this list. Dunno. Until the mozilla fixes their UI to accommodate these stupid icon fonts in conjunction with the font preference option, there is now a temporary fix - at least for Firefox. All I'm doing is sharing it. :) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] calming down
Apologies for my earlier outburst, I should have taken a walk around the block first. Just call me a little discouraged. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix!
On 11/04/2015 13:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > Because I never want to see a serif font EVER and because I prefer to see the same font used on every site that I visit. Makes browsing more peaceful. OK, so we get to the end of a long debate about how tricksy this forum site is, only to find that your custom browser preferences are what affects rendering. If you tweak your browser settings to force a certain effect, and that interferes with a site's css, there's a certain "on your own head be it" caveat to be derived. It's simply impossible to design a site/css that has any non-vanilla formatting at all to cater to every possible taste and, putting it bluntly, font prejudice. With respect, Golinux, this sounds a lot to me like "not my idea, so I'll shout it down". Dave H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
