Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On Wed, 2016-04-20 at 14:54 +, Go Linux wrote: > On Wed, 4/20/16, Svante Signell wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 9:38 AM > > On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 04:29 +, hellekin wrote: > > > > For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you > > have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to > Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? > > > > Perhaps you would like to provide some content for those pages? Maybe that would be a good idea. I'll take a look at what I can contribute with. BBL. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken
I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error: :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg versions. This won't work and will most likely crash at some point. Exiting. This took me quite some time to debug. The reason appears to be incompatibility with the version and dependencies from "deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged"; (which I use exclusively, except for special purposes). https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753090 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785650 I noticed that quite a few packages originating from deb-multimedia are on my system, installed from "/merged". My quick fix was install mpv direct from deb-multimedia (but yet another 3rd-party repo to configure) Packages from deb-multimedia have also been reported and seen here to break vlc also at various times in the past. What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken
Another reference: https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719 On 21 April 2016 at 11:43, David Hare wrote: > I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error: > > :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' > mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg > versions. This won't work and will most likely crash at some point. > Exiting. > > This took me quite some time to debug. The reason appears to be > incompatibility with the version and dependencies from "deb > http://packages.devuan.org/merged"; (which I use exclusively, except > for special purposes). > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753090 > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785650 > > I noticed that quite a few packages originating from deb-multimedia > are on my system, installed from "/merged". > > My quick fix was install mpv direct from deb-multimedia (but yet > another 3rd-party repo to configure) > > Packages from deb-multimedia have also been reported and seen here to > break vlc also at various times in the past. > > What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken
On 21/04/16 22:43, David Hare wrote: > I needed to install mpv, which failed with this error: > > :~$ mpv '/my/file.mp4' mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture > of Libav and FFmpeg versions. This won't work and will most likely > crash at some point. Exiting. > > This took me quite some time to debug. The reason appears to be > incompatibility with the version and dependencies from "deb > http://packages.devuan.org/merged"; (which I use exclusively, except > for special purposes). > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753090 > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785650 > > I noticed that quite a few packages originating from deb-multimedia > are on my system, installed from "/merged". > > My quick fix was install mpv direct from deb-multimedia (but yet > another 3rd-party repo to configure) > > Packages from deb-multimedia have also been reported and seen here > to break vlc also at various times in the past. > > What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this? Hi David, For a while we merged deb-multimedia into devuan as part of a test of amprolla - the tool that builds our merged mirror. We've discontinued including deb-multimedia because it caused issues for some other users. You can either add deb-multimedia to your sources or search and remove the debian-multimedia packages and re-install the debian versions instead to solve your problems. Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.
Hendrik Boom writes: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:43:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> Hendrik Boom writes: >> >> [Brother printer] >> >> > I did manage to get the printer going. I should have mentionned long >> > ago what the final problem was. >> > >> > It turns out I was trying to print a pdf to a postscript printer. I >> > thought that pdf was a specialized form of postscript, the way inkscape >> > files are a specialized form of svg. Turns out that was completely >> > wrong. >> >> This suggests that something is wrong with the driver/ input filter >> setup. That's supposed to convert the input file to something the >> printer understands. I can print PostScript, PDF and a number of kinds >> of files just fine. > > I'm using the driver from Brother, and lpr from lprng. I found the > lprng-doc package. I suppose the next thing is to read it, My (working) /etc/printcap looks like this: DCP7010:\ :mx=0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/DCP7010:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/usb/lp0:\ :if=/usr/local/Brother/lpd/filterDCP7010: if= is the input filter. That's the program (usually a shell script invoking other programs) supposed to convert the input data to something the printer understands. A quick test to see if this works as desired would be to redirect printing to a file. 1. Change lp= line [rw@doppelsaurus]/tmp#sudo ed /etc/printcap < /:lp=/s/=.*:/=\/tmp\/pr: > wq > TT 149 :lp=/tmp/pr:\ 149 2. Create output file touch /tmp/pr sudo chown daemon.daemon /tmp/pr 3. Tell lpd to re-read the configuration sudo lpc reread Afterwards, an attempt to print a PDF (via lpr) will write the pre-processed data to /tmp/pr. The lpq command can be used to check the status of the print jop while this is happening. According to http://support.brother.com/g/b/spec.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=hl3170cdw_all the printer you're using supports both PostScript3 and PCL6. Guesses at the cause of the printing failure could be "filter produces PCL and printer wants PostScript" or "filter doesn't produce output". ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.
Gregory Nowak writes: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:27:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> I'm using the driver from Brother, and lpr from lprng. I found the >> lprng-doc package. I suppose the next thing is to read it, > > While I haven't used a brother printer, I do seem to have a > recollection of doing lpr file.pdf, and having the pdf print out > normally. If ghostscript supports your printer, lprng can be setup to > pipe through ghostscript. The Brother driver is really an input filter, usually at shell script, which is supposed to take care of this autoamtically. Judging from a quick look, mine roughly converts the input to PostScript via a2ps and that to PCL by feeding it into a Brother-provided program. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
On 04/20/2016 03:46 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: >> >> This is not the first time apulse has been discussed on this list. >> There was talk of packaging apluse for Devuan last year but that >> conversation has been lost in time. Perhaps adding apulse to Devuan >> will be reconsidered once the beta is out. I would certainly like >> pulseaudio and it's libs out of my system. >> >> golinux >> > +1 > > BTW, if skype is 32-bit, apulse must be 32-bit as well - it involves a > library. > Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Clicking on 'forked from Debian' > This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write. Generalizing like you did is useless and misguiding. Don't forget that this is the BETA site of the BETA, so it's normal that a house in-the-making doesn't behave like a finished house. More generally, complaints are received at the level of their worth: zero. Help is wanted and welcome. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
hellekin writes: > On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >> Clicking on 'forked from Debian' >> > > This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write. Generalizing > like you did is useless and misguiding. I didn't 'generalize' anything. Svante Signell wrote: Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? To which you replied: Can you be more specific? Did you *read* the contents of the 404 page you must have stumbled upon? If so, you know what to do. The 404 page suggests that 'broken links etc' should be reported. Hence, I went through all top-level links and posted the results: Clicking on 'forked from Debian' yields a 'not found' page with the following text: [404 page text] The "shouldn't happen" link goes to some portal registration page. As does the 'devuan-www' issues link. As does the 'report it to devuan www link'. The sitemap link renders the same 404 page. The other two 2nd level package links go to the 404 page. That's a specific (and not general) statement about a bunch of broken links. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
hellekin wrote: > Does apulse serve for anything else than > running non-free spyware? From GitHub[1]: Project is in stale state since its proclamation. The main objective, working Skype test call, is reached. I don't have any plans for further development. [1]:https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse / Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
Better to remove reference to links, than have bad links. It is good to know which are bad. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Apr 21, 2016 10:36 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: hellekin writes: > On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >> Clicking on 'forked from Debian' >> > > This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write. Generalizing > like you did is useless and misguiding. I didn't 'generalize' anything. Svante Signell wrote: Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? To which you replied: Can you be more specific? Did you *read* the contents of the 404 page you must have stumbled upon? If so, you know what to do. The 404 page suggests that 'broken links etc' should be reported. Hence, I went through all top-level links and posted the results: Clicking on 'forked from Debian' yields a 'not found' page with the following text: [404 page text] The "shouldn't happen" link goes to some portal registration page. As does the 'devuan-www' issues link. As does the 'report it to devuan www link'. The sitemap link renders the same 404 page. The other two 2nd level package links go to the 404 page. That's a specific (and not general) statement about a bunch of broken links. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 03:18:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:43:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Hendrik Boom writes: > >> > >> [Brother printer] > >> > >> > I did manage to get the printer going. I should have mentionned long > >> > ago what the final problem was. > >> > > >> > It turns out I was trying to print a pdf to a postscript printer. I > >> > thought that pdf was a specialized form of postscript, the way inkscape > >> > files are a specialized form of svg. Turns out that was completely > >> > wrong. > >> > >> This suggests that something is wrong with the driver/ input filter > >> setup. That's supposed to convert the input file to something the > >> printer understands. I can print PostScript, PDF and a number of kinds > >> of files just fine. > > > > I'm using the driver from Brother, and lpr from lprng. I found the > > lprng-doc package. I suppose the next thing is to read it, > > My (working) /etc/printcap looks like this: > > DCP7010:\ > :mx=0:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/DCP7010:\ > :sh:\ > :lp=/dev/usb/lp0:\ > :if=/usr/local/Brother/lpd/filterDCP7010: And this is mine: HL3170CDW:\ :mx=0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hl3170cdw:\ :sh:\ :lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.15:\ :if=/opt/brother/Printers/hl3170cdw/lpd/filterhl3170cdw: When I use lpr to feed it a postscript file, such as the following: %! PRINTPS.CPP PostScript OUTPUT /cour /Courier findfont 5 scalefont def cour setfont gsave %54 756 moveto (cd ~/sys/web/chimera-1.65) show %54 751 moveto (test-chimera &) show /cm 72 2.545 div def % In theory should use 2.54 not 2.545, but this is more accurate on my printer. /side cm 3 div def /ssin side 2 div def /ccos side 30 cos mul def /vert { 0 side neg rmoveto 0 side rlineto } def /rise { ccos ssin rlineto } def /lower { ccos ssin neg rlineto } def /hexbottom { lower rise } def /bottomrow { gsave 0 side neg rmoveto hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom hexbottom stroke grestore } def /arc {vert rise lower } def /row { arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc arc vert } def /lowrow { gsave 0 side neg rmoveto lower stroke grestore gsave row rise stroke grestore } def /highrow { gsave row stroke grestore } def /2row { lowrow ccos side ssin add rmoveto highrow ccos neg side ssin add rmoveto } def newpath 54 54 moveto 0.25 setlinewidth bottomrow 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row 2row showpage grestore I get a lovely page of hexagons. But if I try to print a pdf, lpr grouptable.pdf I get: Hey! Surprise! Today it does print a pdf. last time I tried it, it didn't. Let me hope that whatever was wrong has been fixed, and that I'm not just lucky today. I did change the IP number in the printcap, because the printer's IP number has also changed (and it's now static, so I wn't have to do this again). As far as I know, that shouldn't affect printability pdf's, though. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Which desktops work without systemd
Hi there Which desktops work without systemd? A list would be nice. Regards, Rob ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken
David Hare escribió: What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this? This is one of the points in which my idea of "eggs" would help, as I imagine it. What I do not know is if it is doable. Regards er Envite binPOnzfxwZWR.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgpmpAjIytV5i.pgp Description: Firma digital PGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Gcc issue?
Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3 optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok on Wheezy. If I back down to -O2 no problems. I'm blaming gcc, but I was interested if anyone else had a similar experience or insight as to what might be the issue. I'm diggin XFCE btw, reminds me of gnome before it lost it's mind. SWS ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
Hendrik Boom writes: [...] > HL3170CDW:\ > :mx=0:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hl3170cdw:\ > :sh:\ > :lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.15:\ ^ This could be the magic fix as it's the name of a default Brother printer queue (for accepting PostScript). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 02:15:52PM -0400, Steven W. Scott wrote: > Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3 > optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok on > Wheezy. If I back down to -O2 no problems. > > I'm blaming gcc, but I was interested if anyone else had a similar > experience or insight as to what might be the issue. > > I'm diggin XFCE btw, reminds me of gnome before it lost it's mind. > Which version of gcc? I am using 4.9 and 4.8 on Devuan, and I don't have a single problem. In my little experience, segfaults that disappear when changing compiling options (especially -O3 into -O2) often signal a well-concealed memory leak. But I might be totally wrong here... My2Cents Enzo -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:27:06PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 02:15:52PM -0400, Steven W. Scott wrote: > > Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3 > > optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok on > > Wheezy. If I back down to -O2 no problems. > > > > I'm blaming gcc, but I was interested if anyone else had a similar > > experience or insight as to what might be the issue. > > > > I'm diggin XFCE btw, reminds me of gnome before it lost it's mind. > > > > Which version of gcc? I am using 4.9 and 4.8 on Devuan, and I don't > have a single problem. In my little experience, segfaults that > disappear when changing compiling options (especially -O3 into -O2) > often signal a well-concealed memory leak. But I might be totally > wrong here... > I accept the risk of looking pretentious now, but I believe that the problem might most probably be in your code. The simple reason is that the very same gcc has compiled at least 90% of the software you are using in alpha4, and who knows how many other millions of packages. So if there were any such bug in gcc, it would have probably been hit by now, just out of pure probability... Before going into finding gcc bugs, my humble suggestion is to give a go to valgrind. My2Cents Enzo -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
Just curious... Why not using CUPS ? I've been using it since times' night with no issues. Regards Noel er Envite bin3kVdqqeSWw.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgp2Bm7hUEjmj.pgp Description: Firma digital PGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, KatolaZ wrote: > Before going into finding gcc bugs, my humble suggestion is to give > a go to valgrind. It is a wise suggestion. All GNU C/C++ programmers should have several passes through valgrind on their code, this is should be perceived as a standard procedure. Profiling with gprof is also recommended. Our resident programmer :^) Edbarx has noticeably improved the code of the netman application right after a few valgrind passes. never get out without valgrind ;^) ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
Le 21/04/2016 17:18, hellekin a écrit : On 04/20/2016 03:46 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: This is not the first time apulse has been discussed on this list. There was talk of packaging apluse for Devuan last year but that conversation has been lost in time. Perhaps adding apulse to Devuan will be reconsidered once the beta is out. I would certainly like pulseaudio and it's libs out of my system. golinux +1 BTW, if skype is 32-bit, apulse must be 32-bit as well - it involves a library. Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale. Whatever you think of Skype - and I share your opinion - it is so widely used that it is necessary for many people. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote: > Just curious... > > Why not using CUPS ? > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread. I have two printers, one at home and one in the office. After I switched to Devuan for all my personal computers, something strange happened to me and I'm still not sure it is related to Devuan. Believe me when I say I did look deeply into this, but still did not manage to get the art of troubleshooting to enligthen my path. The printer at home worked fine for years, then had some red light blinking crisis, believing its toner was over, but it wasn't in fact, no actual sign of it on the printed result. Nevertheless, I did change the toner. Since the red blinking started and even after the change of the toner (which stopped the red blinking) CUPS stopped being capable of printing to it. OTOH the printer at the office has never stopped working, before my switch to Devuan and up to now. I'm completely puzzled by this problem to the point I imagine I know how RMS felt like when he started the GNU project. Believe me or not, since this happened and as of today I do go to my office to print out things, or ask my partner for help. And I'm not a consumer-minded person so I refuse to buy a new printer. So I'm reading all this thread with interest as its not making me feel alone lost on this puzzle. I don't believe this is really related to Devuan: following the work of Didier on the package https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/cups/commits/debian/jessie the time his commits were made do not coincide at all with the times the events on my side occurred. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
On 04/21/2016 04:14 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > > From GitHub[1]: > Project is in stale state since its proclamation. > The main objective, working Skype test call, > is reached. I don't have any plans for further > development. > > [1]:https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse > Thanks Mitt. That means it would be candidate for the contrib component, right? (Which is not supposed to be part of Devuan.) == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]
Le 21/04/2016 00:07, Steve Litt a écrit : On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:46:26 + hellekin wrote: >This thread contains a lot of praise for Devuan. I want to ask you >whether it's fine to use it on devuan.org for promotion. You're >welcome to reply here. I'll contact everyone individually to ask >anyway. > >Cheers > >== >hk > I'd be pleased as punch if you did, and you hereby have my permission to use anything I wrote in the thread for any kind of Devuan promotion you want. SteveT +1 Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gcc issue?
Thanks all for the input . I'm definitely not ready to call it a bug, and always suspect my code first, but this is a new one on me and I'm stumped. You have given me new avenues to explore, and I am most appreciative. SWS On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, KatolaZ wrote: > > > Before going into finding gcc bugs, my humble suggestion is to give > > a go to valgrind. > > It is a wise suggestion. All GNU C/C++ programmers should have several > passes through valgrind on their code, this is should be perceived as > a standard procedure. Profiling with gprof is also recommended. > > Our resident programmer :^) Edbarx has noticeably improved the code of > the netman application right after a few valgrind passes. > > never get out without valgrind ;^) > > ciao > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 09:20:11PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote: > > > Just curious... > > > > Why not using CUPS ? > > > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. > > I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread. > > I have two printers, one at home and one in the office. > > After I switched to Devuan for all my personal computers, something > strange happened to me and I'm still not sure it is related to > Devuan. Believe me when I say I did look deeply into this, but still > did not manage to get the art of troubleshooting to enligthen my path. > > The printer at home worked fine for years, then had some red light > blinking crisis, believing its toner was over, but it wasn't in fact, > no actual sign of it on the printed result. Nevertheless, I did change > the toner. Since the red blinking started and even after the change of > the toner (which stopped the red blinking) CUPS stopped being capable > of printing to it. > > OTOH the printer at the office has never stopped working, before my > switch to Devuan and up to now. > > I'm completely puzzled by this problem to the point I imagine I know > how RMS felt like when he started the GNU project. Believe me or not, > since this happened and as of today I do go to my office to print out > things, or ask my partner for help. And I'm not a consumer-minded > person so I refuse to buy a new printer. > > So I'm reading all this thread with interest as its not making me feel > alone lost on this puzzle. > > I don't believe this is really related to Devuan: following the work > of Didier on the package > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/cups/commits/debian/jessie the > time his commits were made do not coincide at all with the times the > events on my side occurred. Wasn't there a time when CUPS was suspected of havin a systemd connexion? If not, it was suspected of being as obscure and opaque as systemd. It, with foomatic, appears to install a database of zillions of drivers, which I would have to install to get the oonly one I really need. It feels like overkill. lpr seems to be the traditional Unix way of doing things, without CUPS. It might have been easier if I had found the documentation earlier. -- hendrik > > ciao > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:07:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:46:26 + > hellekin wrote: > > > This thread contains a lot of praise for Devuan. I want to ask you > > whether it's fine to use it on devuan.org for promotion. You're > > welcome to reply here. I'll contact everyone individually to ask > > anyway. > > > > Cheers > > > > == > > hk > > > > I'd be pleased as punch if you did, and you hereby have my permission > to use anything I wrote in the thread for any kind of Devuan promotion > you want. And permission to use anything *I* write in thie mailing list for the same purpose. As long as you keep it in context. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
hellekin wrote: > Thanks Mitt. That means it would be candidate > for the contrib component, right? (Which is not > supposed to be part of Devuan.) Frankly, no idea. I have never used Skype, nor have a Microsoft account (removed right after throwing away my Lumia; smartphones suck by the way). / Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
Noel Torres writes: > Just curious... > > Why not using CUPS ? > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. For me, the answer is that I see no benefit in getting accustomed with something as complicated (looking) as CUPS for as long as I don't want more than to run some input file through a pipeline of filters (nowadays provided by the printer vendor) and then send it to some output device. Judging from the (incomplete) information Hendrik Boom posted, he originally used lp=515@172.25.1.122 515 is the lpd printer port. Trying to print to a printer defined in this way ought to result in an "invalid services" message (or something like that) as the abstract syntax of this entry (for a network printer) is @[%] (the port is optional and defaults to 515) By the time he posted this for the first time, I suggested using something like lpq -Pall@ (or an equivalent lpc command). A later mail he sent showed the lp entry as lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.15 this is correct for accessing the 'PostScript queue' on a Brother network printer (which supports PostScript). The Brother printer driver (aka 'input filter') should take care of the rest. This works for me and (reportedly) also for him. NB: I don't claim there is no Evil Black Magic[tm] going on here, just that I haven't ever encountered any. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
Jaromil escribió: On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote: Just curious... Why not using CUPS ? I've been using it since times' night with no issues. I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread. I have two printers, one at home and one in the office. After I switched to Devuan for all my personal computers, something strange happened to me and I'm still not sure it is related to Devuan. Believe me when I say I did look deeply into this, but still did not manage to get the art of troubleshooting to enligthen my path. The printer at home worked fine for years, then had some red light blinking crisis, believing its toner was over, but it wasn't in fact, no actual sign of it on the printed result. Nevertheless, I did change the toner. Since the red blinking started and even after the change of the toner (which stopped the red blinking) CUPS stopped being capable of printing to it. This has happened to me. Newer versions of CUPS (I do not know from which one) "Pause" the printer when there is some printing problem. Like no toner, no paper or printer disconnected. Maybe just accessing localhost:631 and "Resume" it resolves your problem. ...or not. Noel er Envite bin43OuTHVTm_.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgpMRdCjqwjTQ.pgp Description: Firma digital PGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 09:21:46PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Noel Torres writes: > > Just curious... > > > > Why not using CUPS ? > > > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. > > For me, the answer is that I see no benefit in getting accustomed with > something as complicated (looking) as CUPS for as long as I don't want > more than to run some input file through a pipeline of filters (nowadays > provided by the printer vendor) and then send it to some output device. > > Judging from the (incomplete) information Hendrik Boom posted, he > originally used > > lp=515@172.25.1.122 > > 515 is the lpd printer port. Trying to print to a printer defined in > this way ought to result in an "invalid services" message (or something > like that) as the abstract syntax of this entry (for a network printer) > is > > @[%] > (the port is optional and defaults to 515) > > By the time he posted this for the first time, I suggested using > something like > > lpq -Pall@ > > (or an equivalent lpc command). A later mail he sent showed the lp entry > as > > lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.15 I was still getting the invalid services message when I had lp=POSTSCRIPT_P1@172.25.1.122 in the printcap. At that time I stopped investigating, because other things took all my time. And at that time 172.25.1.122 was the IP number of the printer. It's entirely possible, for example, that the print spooling process might not have picked up the new printcap entry. And after a reboot, it did, but I was beyond investigating. Until suddenly one day, it worked. IN teh meantime I copied my pdf's to a USB stick and printed tham from another computer, thinking I could spend days getting the printer to work and I had no more days left. The worst time to give up on a project is when you've finished it, but don't know it. -- hendrik > > this is correct for accessing the 'PostScript queue' on a Brother > network printer (which supports PostScript). The Brother printer driver > (aka 'input filter') should take care of the rest. This works for me and > (reportedly) also for him. > > NB: I don't claim there is no Evil Black Magic[tm] going on here, just > that I haven't ever encountered any. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd
Rob van der Putten wrote: > Which desktops work without systemd? > A list would be nice. Every desktop environment is known to work without systemd. GNOME3 works on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD. It depends on the distribution itself. / Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
On 04/21/2016 08:17 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > > Frankly, no idea. I have never used Skype, nor have > a Microsoft account (removed right after throwing > away my Lumia; smartphones suck by the way). > > / Mitt > I guess you're my kind of a guy :) == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]
Thank you all for your positive response! It's heart-warming. == hk ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:05:06PM +, Noel Torres wrote: > Just curious... > > Why not using CUPS ? Too bulky and cumbersome. Go to a web interface. Follow link to install device. Choose device from a list ... I prefer to read up on the syntax of a config file or two, and just edit them, or write them out if they aren't already there. On a related note, I recently had to replace my almost 20-year-old hp laserJet 5l because the part that broke couldn't be replaced. So, I replaced it with a samsung m28253dw. I was struggling to configure everything how I wanted through a less than fully accessible web interface, and found myself wishing more than once during the process that the darned printer had a telnet interface or something more straight forward. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd
On 04/22/2016 05:57 AM, Mitt Green wrote: Rob van der Putten wrote: Which desktops work without systemd? A list would be nice. Every desktop environment is known to work without systemd. GNOME3 works on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD. It depends on the distribution itself. If by desktops you mean DE, then I thought some have some dependencies on systemd by way of the included packages. DE vs. window manager. There is a big difference. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
Didier Kryn wrote: > hellekin a écrit : > >Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? > > > > > Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test > call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale. The most recent commit is February this year, so that does not meet my definition of "stale" even if the author uses that term. > Whatever you think of Skype - and I share your opinion - it is so widely > used that it is necessary for many people. Skype for Linux, OTOH, *is* stale (and last time I checked was tricky to install) AIUI intentionally so due to Microsoft's special love for Linux. As a workaround, I run Skype on my smartphone, which MS (and their NSA buddies) can't ignore. Joel > Didier -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
On 04/22/2016 01:51 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: hellekin a écrit : Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale. The most recent commit is February this year, so that does not meet my definition of "stale" even if the author uses that term. Whatever you think of Skype - and I share your opinion - it is so widely used that it is necessary for many people. Skype for Linux, OTOH, *is* stale (and last time I checked was tricky to install) AIUI intentionally so due to Microsoft's special love for Linux. As a workaround, I run Skype on my smartphone, which MS (and their NSA buddies) can't ignore. It's so refreshing that you all talk freely about this subject. In my social and professional circles it is taboo to even mention the NSA. People look at me like I am a "flatearther" when I simply quote the news. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
Simon Walter escribió: [...] It's so refreshing that you all talk freely about this subject. In my social and professional circles it is taboo to even mention the NSA. People look at me like I am a "flatearther" when I simply quote the news. Which wicked kind of environment do you work on? I work on an international major company and don't have such feelings. Regards Noel er Envite bin3mx3nkDal9.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgpkzA37ePmJl.pgp Description: Firma digital PGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
Le 22/04/2016 06:51, Joel Roth a écrit : Didier Kryn wrote: >hellekin a écrit : > >Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? > > > > > Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test >call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale. The most recent commit is February this year, so that does not meet my definition of "stale" even if the author uses that term. > Whatever you think of Skype - and I share your opinion - it is so widely >used that it is necessary for many people. Skype for Linux, OTOH,*is* stale (and last time I checked was tricky to install) AIUI intentionally so due to Microsoft's special love for Linux. Well, when it's no longer installable, then I won't use it anymore, and won't need apulse anymore. I'll certainly not install windows or osx or buy a smartphone for that. BTW, either it is spyware *or* it is stale; I doubt it can be both :-) Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd
On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 23:57 +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > Rob van der Putten wrote: > > > > > Which desktops work without systemd? > > A list would be nice. > Every desktop environment is known > to work without systemd. GNOME3 works > on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, > DragonflyBSD. It depends on the > distribution itself. And gentoo too. Somebody on IRC gave the following link https://github.com/dantrell/gentoo-project-gnome-without-systemd for further reading about gnome3 on Gentoo and Funtoo. HTH ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
Le 22/04/2016 06:56, Simon Walter a écrit : It's so refreshing that you all talk freely about this subject. In my social and professional circles it is taboo to even mention the NSA. People look at me like I am a "flatearther" when I simply quote the news. The three-letters agencies haha :D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng