[DNG] Please stay on topic

[Martin Steigerwald]

John Morris - 03.08.17, 00:01:
> At the risk of lowering the signal to noise on this list even more, I'd
> like to note that about seven minutes before this new nym posted here it
> posted the same text to the Fedora users list.  There was exactly one
> reply.  I won't spoil it, go look it up because it worked.

Yes. And I informed Jaromil already about it off list more than a week ago.

MikeeUSA posts on a *ton* of different mailing lists with exactly the same 
topic for *months*.

Please stop replying to him, please move on. There is nothing new to see in 
his argumentation. Please stop giving energy and attention to the posts of 
this guy.

Please, pretty please let go off this topic now. And please, pretty, pretty, 
pretty please focus to stay somewhat on topic.

Thank you dearly,
-- 
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[John Morris]

At the risk of lowering the signal to noise on this list even more, I'd
like to note that about seven minutes before this new nym posted here it
posted the same text to the Fedora users list.  There was exactly one
reply.  I won't spoil it, go look it up because it worked.


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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Daniel Abrecht (d...@danielabrecht.ch):

> I'm sorry, I'm using DMARC, and I didn't get the DMARC report about the
> bounced mails, probably because I forgot a DMARC DNS entry for the
> report receiving mail address. I have changed my DMARC policy from
> reject to quarantine for now.

It would be excellent if you could provide any DMARC reports you get to
the Dng listadmins.  Thank you.

Your point is well taken that DMARC and mailing lists can coexist (I've
always concurred with that).  It's just difficult, and creates adverse 
consequences.  (As background for this, it's useful to know that DMARC
is a composite and extension of SPF and DKIM.)

As part of the process, the domain's outgoing mail gets certain headers
and body text cryptographically signed and attested to (the DKIM =
DomainKeys Identified Mail part of the standard).  For such mail to 
successfully transit a mailing list without breaking validation, the
signed text and headers must be completely unchanged.  This is a very
difficult constraint for MLM software to meet, as occasionally something
gets inserted or changed in a header or elsewhere during normal MLM
processing, and in particular the To: header by design is supposed to
be set upon posting retransmission to the address of each subscriber.

To the best of my recollection (and I'm presently busy and cannot
double-check all of this), some subset of the full SMTP headers are 
included in the DKIM attestation.  I can't remember which, nor whether
the DKIM-issuing operator can decide which.  I vaguely recall that the
extra headers MLMs intentionally add, the MLM footer, the MLM
modification to the Subject header (like adding [DNG]), and more are all
somewhat problematic for DKIM validation.

There are a maddeningly large and diverse number of ways to deal with
the problem, and one can spend a lot of time reading about it.  E.g.:
https://dmarc.org/supplemental/mailman-project-mlm-dmarc-reqs.html
http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/run-email-discussion-list-heres-how-to.html
https://dmarc.org/wiki/FAQ#I_operate_a_mailing_list_and_I_want_to_interoperate_with_DMARC.2C_what_should_I_do.3F


Just a point:

> I use DMARC and believe it to be necessary because it allows me to:
>  1) Make sure nobody can use my E-Mail address to impersonate me or send
> spam

SPF alone _can_ do exactly that without also needing DKIM/DMARC.  (So,
sufficient is correct, but necessary is not quite correct.)

>  2) I will be notified if anyone attempts to do so

SPF alone can prevent it from being possible, hence you don't need to be
notified.  (This of course assumes that receiving domains check SPF for
received mail.  Not all do, but more do than check DMARC.)

>  3) The recipient can check if the message content was changed

gpg signing alone can do that.

If your SMTP message content is being changed, though, you actually have
a lot bigger problems.

>  1) Provide an SPF record. This mailing list doesn't seam to have one

The mailing list isn't an orignator.  It's the originating domains that
ought (to the extent they wish to do so) to have SPF records.


>  2) Don't change anything from the message below the DKIM headers, add
> the other headers before the DKIM signature instead.

To the best of my recollection (I could be misremembering), this is
easier said than done.

Anyway, thank you for your substantive help to the Devuan Project.

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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Daniel Abrecht]

I'm sorry, I'm using DMARC, and I didn't get the DMARC report about the
bounced mails, probably because I forgot a DMARC DNS entry for the
report receiving mail address. I have changed my DMARC policy from
reject to quarantine for now.

That said, I won't remove the DMARC record completely, and I plan to
switch my DMARC policy back to reject after this issue has been
resolved. A lot of people claim that DMARC won't work with mailing
lists, but this isn't correct, it's just that most mailing lists aren't
configured in a way that makes DMARC usable, (and no, changing the from
address isn't the correct solution.)

I use DMARC and believe it to be necessary because it allows me to:
 1) Make sure nobody can use my E-Mail address to impersonate me or send
spam
 2) I will be notified if anyone attempts to do so
 3) The recipient can check if the message content was changed

That said, the correct way to deal with DKIM, SPF and DMARC protected
mails is to:
 1) Provide an SPF record. This mailing list doesn't seam to have one
 2) Don't change anything from the message below the DKIM headers, add
the other headers before the DKIM signature instead. This will also
solve the problem that some mail clients like the android mail client
don't display text-only mails correctly.

In think the email body, subject and from header shouldn't be altered
anyway. Of course, changing the from header and removing the DKIM header
would avoid the problem as well, but I'm against that solution since it
obscures who wrote the mail.

I haven't done much with mailman yet, so I don't know how it needs to be
configured or if it can even be configured that way. I'll take a look at
mailman in a few weeks.

I've attached two versions of an email I've sent to the list earlier.
The first one contains the message as I received it again from the list.
The second one is edited in such a way that the added headers and the
original message body are preserved and the DKIM check succeeds, only
the added mailing list signature was removed.

Daniel Abrecht


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Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[zap]

On 08/02/2017 02:42 PM, zap wrote:

> That would definitely be good for getting more people to want to
> support your distro. :)
>

Actually, More people to work on the coding base too. A global libre
distro would be fantastic though heh.
>
> On 08/02/2017 11:48 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>> Maybe future releases.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:26 PM, zap > > wrote:
>>
>> will gnueterics be translated into english at any point?
>>
>>
>> On 08/02/2017 09:36 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>>> Not new, but now based on Devuan.
>>>
>>> EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for
>>> community radios of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre
>>> and it has all the software needed to setup a "libre" radio
>>> including Radit, Guarangoradio, Rivendell, Audacity, Ardour and
>>> Cadence.
>>>
>>> Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this
>>> time, so it's nice to know Devuan will power many community
>>> radios from now on.
>>>
>>> Go check it out ;)
>>>
>>> https://gnuetertics.org
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Emiliano.
>>>
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Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[zap]

That would definitely be good for getting more people to want to support
your distro. :)


On 08/02/2017 11:48 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Maybe future releases.
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:26 PM, zap  > wrote:
>
> will gnueterics be translated into english at any point?
>
>
> On 08/02/2017 09:36 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>> Not new, but now based on Devuan.
>>
>> EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for
>> community radios of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre
>> and it has all the software needed to setup a "libre" radio
>> including Radit, Guarangoradio, Rivendell, Audacity, Ardour and
>> Cadence.
>>
>> Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this
>> time, so it's nice to know Devuan will power many community
>> radios from now on.
>>
>> Go check it out ;)
>>
>> https://gnuetertics.org
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Emiliano.
>>
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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Rick Moen]

Oh, follow-up (and this, too, is for Devuan's listadmins' attention in
particular):

> There is an (IMO unhappy but least-bad-available) kludge setting in
> Mailman's admin WebUI to make the MLM compensate for DMARC brain-damage:  
> You go to Privacy Options, Sender Filters, item 'Action to take when
> anyone posts to the list from a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine
> Policy' aka dmarc_moderation_action.  Change the radio button from
> Accept (default) to Munge from.

I am specifically _not not not_ recommending the similar-looking setting
'Replace the From: header address with the list's posting address to
mitigate issues stemming from the original From: domain's DMARC or
similar policies' aka from_is_list on General Options.  My understanding
is that opting for _that_ version of the kludge unconditionally applies
it to all postings whether they are from DMARC-encumbered domains or
not.

My recommendations:

On Privacy options, Sender filters:
dmarc_moderation_action:  Munge from
dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action):  Yes
dmarc_none_moderation_action:  no

On General options:
change nothing.
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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):

> That's the important thing to look for - and my money is it's related to SPF 
> and/or DMARC.

It won't be SPF.

My domain has a strong SPF policy:

:r! dig -t txt linuxmafia.com +short
"v=spf1 a mx -all"

...and no mailing list post from me or my users violates it.

It'll be DMARC.  (Long experience says.)

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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org):

> I am a bit puzzled about this one, we had some reports of the problem
> so far, which hasn't occurred before on any other dyne list and is not
> really reproducible.
> 
> what we notice is that our mail server is under some quite heavy load
> and we are working to move it to a bigger infrastructure by september
> 
> however it is highly available already and seems to process
> everything, so I'm not really sure what is happening... any insight is
> welcome.

Might be DMARC validation failure.  (Gods, do I ever detest that stuff.)

DMARC is proving to be an utter nightmare for mailing lists, in as much
as they are mail forwarders, and DMARC was IMO botched in its ability to
accomodate the way they work.  From memory, and so I'm probably dropping
a bunch of detail:  Because MLMs such as Mailman (appropriately) change
the internal SMTP headers upon retransmitting the poster's mail to
subscribers (notably the To: header), it no longer validates against the
sender's domain if it is a DMARC-using one with a strict policy.  Yahoo
and Gmail are examples of sending domains with strict DMARC policies.

There is an (IMO unhappy but least-bad-available) kludge setting in
Mailman's admin WebUI to make the MLM compensate for DMARC brain-damage:  
You go to Privacy Options, Sender Filters, item 'Action to take when
anyone posts to the list from a domain with a DMARC Reject/Quarantine
Policy' aka dmarc_moderation_action.  Change the radio button from
Accept (default) to Munge from.

To quote the help text:

  from_is_list (general): Replace the From: header address with the
  list's posting address to mitigate issues stemming from the original
  From: domain's DMARC or similar policies.

  Several protocols now in wide use attempt to ensure that use of the
  domain in the author's address (ie, in the From: header field) is
  authorized by that domain. These protocols may be incompatible with
  common list features such as footers, causing participating email
  services to bounce list traffic merely because of the address in the
  From: field. This has resulted in members being unsubscribed despite
  being perfectly able to receive mail.

  The following actions are applied to all list messages when selected
  here. To apply these actions only to messages where the domain in the
  From: header is determined to use such a protocol, see the
  dmarc_moderation_action settings under Privacy options... -> Sender
  filters.

  Settings:
[...]

  Munge From

  This action replaces the poster's address in the From: header with the
  list's posting address and adds the poster's address to the addresses in
  the original Reply-To: header.

So, for example, _if_ my sending domain linuxmafia.com had a strong
DMARC policy (which it doesn't, because I hate DMARC with a passion), 
then the 'Munge from' setting would cause my post to Dng to get this
'From: ' header upon retransmission to subscribers:

  From: Rick Moen via Dng 

instead of the normal

  From: Rick Moen 

The reason this helps sidestep DMARC validation is that it's now no longer
considered needing validation against linuxmafia.com's (hypothetical)
DMARC policy, but rather dyne.org's.


I personally detest this solution because, when I send out my sending
address on a mailing list, it is deliberately there so that people can,
if necessary, contact me offlist.  The kludge complicates this, albeit,
if I remember correctly, it tries to compensate for the brain-damage by 
inserting a Reply-To as well.

It should be noted that the Munge from kludge thus alters -only- the 
postings of subscribers from DMARC-damaged^H^H^H^W^W^W^Wusing domains,
so only _some_ postings will get disfigured in this manner.

Sadly, I recommend opting for this kludge, because otherwise
deliverability suffers.

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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:21:34 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message 
<20170802142134.vlfhg5z4ccbrueb7@reflex>:

> On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> 
> >Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me:

..I have this happening all the time, 3 times in July now, on the 4th,
10'th and the 29'th.

> > 
> >"Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to
> >excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> >23-Jul-2017."
> > 
> >I have a Gmail account, it's Google's fault? or maybe some issue
> > with Mailman?
> 
> I am a bit puzzled about this one, we had some reports of the problem
> so far, which hasn't occurred before on any other dyne list and is not
> really reproducible.
> 
> what we notice is that our mail server is under some quite heavy load
> and we are working to move it to a bigger infrastructure by september
> 
> however it is highly available already and seems to process
> everything, so I'm not really sure what is happening... any insight is
> welcome.

..I also see these bounce warnings coming from debian.org, but 
those are warnings, not unsubscribes, usually whining along the 
lines of "I bounce 8% and will get unsubcribed at 80%", to 
paraphrase. 


..maybe we should just set an higher bounce tolerance?

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.
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Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[Emiliano Marini]

Maybe future releases.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:26 PM, zap  wrote:

> will gnueterics be translated into english at any point?
>
> On 08/02/2017 09:36 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>
> Not new, but now based on Devuan.
>
> EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for community radios
> of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre and it has all the software
> needed to setup a "libre" radio including Radit, Guarangoradio,
> Rivendell, Audacity, Ardour and Cadence.
>
> Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so
> it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on.
>
> Go check it out ;)
>
> https://gnuetertics.org
>
> Cheers,
> Emiliano.
>
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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[info at smallinnovations dot nl]

On 02-08-17 16:41, Simon Hobson wrote:

Antony Stone  wrote:


Is it possible to check the mail server logs for delivery failures on the
problematic addresses (which is presumably what the warning email means by
"bounces") to see what reason was given by the receiving server?

That's the important thing to look for - and my money is it's related to SPF 
and/or DMARC.


The supporters of SPF knew in advance that "it breaks stuff that's in widespread and valid 
use" but simply declared these activities to be "no longer valid"*. Key bits of the 
stuff it breaks are mailing lists and email forwarding.
The answer for SPF is SRS - which as far as I can tell means having the mailing 
list/forwarder modify the headers - which effectively means you can bypass SPF 
checks !

If the sender domain doesn't publish SPF records or the recipient server 
doesn't check them then all is fine - but if the sender has an SPF record AND 
the recipient server checks it, then it breaks all traditional mailing 
list/mail forwarding techniques.

So now almost all mailing list admins are having to deal with the pile of excrement handed down by 
"the big guys" who frankly don't give a  about anyone else as long as they can make 
it LOOK like they are dealing with spam for their customers. Unfortunately, MS (Hotmail, Office 
365, etc), Google (gmail etc), and Yahoo, between them have enough clout that you can't really do 
anything but ask "how high ?" when they ask you to jump :-(

Just one reason why I run my own mail server and neither publish nor check SPF 
records.


* Like in the old joke :
Q: how many Microsoft people does it take to change a lightbulb ?
A: none, they just change the industry standard to dark

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My mailserver does give some warnings about dkim like:
Aug  2 16:40:48 mail opendkim[16133]: 5358E209: tupac2.dyne.org 
[178.62.188.7] not internal

Aug  2 16:40:48 mail opendkim[16133]: 5358E209: not authenticated
Aug  2 16:40:48 mail opendkim[16133]: 5358E209: s=20161025 d=gmail.com SSL
Aug  2 16:40:48 mail opendkim[16133]: 5358E209: bad signature data

And two hard errors last two days:
Aug  1 17:25:48 mail opendkim[16133]: E62803F0: key retrieval failed 
(s=mail, d=dyne.org): 'mail._domainkey.dyne.org' query timed out
Aug  2 16:29:03 mail opendkim[16133]: DD24A209: key retrieval failed 
(s=mail, d=dyne.org): 'mail._domainkey.dyne.org' query timed out


Not sure what get added when sending to a maillist but apparently not 
everything needed.



Grtz.

Nick

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Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[zap]

will gnueterics be translated into english at any point?


On 08/02/2017 09:36 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Not new, but now based on Devuan.
>
> EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for community
> radios of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre and it has all
> the software needed to setup a "libre" radio including Radit,
> Guarangoradio, Rivendell, Audacity, Ardour and Cadence.
>
> Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so
> it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on.
>
> Go check it out ;)
>
> https://gnuetertics.org
>
> Cheers,
> Emiliano.
>
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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Simon Hobson]

Antony Stone  wrote:

> Is it possible to check the mail server logs for delivery failures on the 
> problematic addresses (which is presumably what the warning email means by 
> "bounces") to see what reason was given by the receiving server?

That's the important thing to look for - and my money is it's related to SPF 
and/or DMARC.


The supporters of SPF knew in advance that "it breaks stuff that's in 
widespread and valid use" but simply declared these activities to be "no longer 
valid"*. Key bits of the stuff it breaks are mailing lists and email forwarding.
The answer for SPF is SRS - which as far as I can tell means having the mailing 
list/forwarder modify the headers - which effectively means you can bypass SPF 
checks !

If the sender domain doesn't publish SPF records or the recipient server 
doesn't check them then all is fine - but if the sender has an SPF record AND 
the recipient server checks it, then it breaks all traditional mailing 
list/mail forwarding techniques.

So now almost all mailing list admins are having to deal with the pile of 
excrement handed down by "the big guys" who frankly don't give a  about 
anyone else as long as they can make it LOOK like they are dealing with spam 
for their customers. Unfortunately, MS (Hotmail, Office 365, etc), Google 
(gmail etc), and Yahoo, between them have enough clout that you can't really do 
anything but ask "how high ?" when they ask you to jump :-(

Just one reason why I run my own mail server and neither publish nor check SPF 
records.


* Like in the old joke :
Q: how many Microsoft people does it take to change a lightbulb ?
A: none, they just change the industry standard to dark

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Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[Emiliano Marini]

Ups, sorry for not checking the list first :(

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 11:28 AM,  wrote:

> On 2017-08-02 09:23, Jaromil wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>>
>>Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so
>>>it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on.
>>>Go check it out ;)
>>>
>>
>>
>> cheers Emiliano!!!
>>
>> I am very happy of this :^) it is since the time of dyne:bolic and the
>> MuSE Streamer software that at Dyne.org we work hard to support all
>> sorts of independent radio practices. Obviously you have surpassed us
>> with Etertics now and I'm very happy of that. Will recommend it around
>> and we'll list it on our page soon.
>>
>> Happy hacking and keep up the antennas!!!
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>
> EterTICs has been on the derivatives list for a long time.  ;)
>
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Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[Emiliano Marini]

Thanks Jaromil,

Although, I'm not the creator of this distribution, I'm only making it
known.

Kudos to Javier Obregón (https://diaspora.com.ar/u/jobregon) for EterTICs.

Cheers,
Emiliano.


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Jaromil  wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>
> >Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so
> >it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on.
> >Go check it out ;)
>
>
> cheers Emiliano!!!
>
> I am very happy of this :^) it is since the time of dyne:bolic and the
> MuSE Streamer software that at Dyne.org we work hard to support all
> sorts of independent radio practices. Obviously you have surpassed us
> with Etertics now and I'm very happy of that. Will recommend it around
> and we'll list it on our page soon.
>
> Happy hacking and keep up the antennas!!!
>
>
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Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[golinux]

On 2017-08-02 09:23, Jaromil wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:

   Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, 
so
   it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now 
on.

   Go check it out ;)



cheers Emiliano!!!

I am very happy of this :^) it is since the time of dyne:bolic and the
MuSE Streamer software that at Dyne.org we work hard to support all
sorts of independent radio practices. Obviously you have surpassed us
with Etertics now and I'm very happy of that. Will recommend it around
and we'll list it on our page soon.

Happy hacking and keep up the antennas!!!

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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Emiliano Marini]

Thanks Jaromil,

This time happened while I was out, but next time I will report it right
away.

Cheers,
Emiliano.


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Jaromil  wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>
> >Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me:
> >
> >"Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to
> >excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> >23-Jul-2017."
> >
> >I have a Gmail account, it's Google's fault? or maybe some issue with
> >Mailman?
>
> I am a bit puzzled about this one, we had some reports of the problem
> so far, which hasn't occurred before on any other dyne list and is not
> really reproducible.
>
> what we notice is that our mail server is under some quite heavy load
> and we are working to move it to a bigger infrastructure by september
>
> however it is highly available already and seems to process
> everything, so I'm not really sure what is happening... any insight is
> welcome.
>
> ciao!
>
>
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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Antony Stone]

On Wednesday 02 August 2017 at 16:21:34, Jaromil wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> >Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me:
> >
> >"Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to
> >excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> >23-Jul-2017."
> >
> >I have a Gmail account, it's Google's fault? or maybe some issue with
> >Mailman?
> 
> I am a bit puzzled about this one, we had some reports of the problem
> so far, which hasn't occurred before on any other dyne list and is not
> really reproducible.
> 
> what we notice is that our mail server is under some quite heavy load
> and we are working to move it to a bigger infrastructure by september
> 
> however it is highly available already and seems to process
> everything, so I'm not really sure what is happening... any insight is
> welcome.

Is it possible to check the mail server logs for delivery failures on the 
problematic addresses (which is presumably what the warning email means by 
"bounces") to see what reason was given by the receiving server?


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Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[Jaromil]

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:

>Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so
>it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on.
>Go check it out ;)


cheers Emiliano!!!

I am very happy of this :^) it is since the time of dyne:bolic and the
MuSE Streamer software that at Dyne.org we work hard to support all
sorts of independent radio practices. Obviously you have surpassed us
with Etertics now and I'm very happy of that. Will recommend it around
and we'll list it on our page soon.

Happy hacking and keep up the antennas!!!

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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Jaromil]

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:

>Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me:
> 
>"Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to
>excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
>23-Jul-2017."
> 
>I have a Gmail account, it's Google's fault? or maybe some issue with
>Mailman?

I am a bit puzzled about this one, we had some reports of the problem
so far, which hasn't occurred before on any other dyne list and is not
really reproducible.

what we notice is that our mail server is under some quite heavy load
and we are working to move it to a bigger infrastructure by september

however it is highly available already and seems to process
everything, so I'm not really sure what is happening... any insight is
welcome.

ciao!

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Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

[Svante Signell]

On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 10:20 -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me:
> 
> "Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to
> excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 23-Jul-2017."
> 
> I have a Gmail account, it's Google's fault? or maybe some issue with
> Mailman?

I do also have a gmail account, and got the same message as you for the
second time.
 
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[DNG] New Devuan-based distro

[Emiliano Marini]

Not new, but now based on Devuan.

EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for community radios
of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre and it has all the software
needed to setup a "libre" radio including Radit, Guarangoradio, Rivendell,
Audacity, Ardour and Cadence.

Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so it's
nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on.

Go check it out ;)

https://gnuetertics.org

Cheers,
Emiliano.
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[DNG] Excessive bounces

[Emiliano Marini]

Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me:

"Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to
excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
23-Jul-2017."

I have a Gmail account, it's Google's fault? or maybe some issue with
Mailman?

Cheers,
Emiliano.
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Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 07:44:13PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2017 18:15:37 +
> su...@firemail.cc wrote:
> 
> > Explain exactly how I was "wasting" your time. You responded with 
> > derision and mockery when I brought up laches; as if it was no issue. 
> ..
> .
> 
> ARRRGGG is this guy for real, can he not take a hint ?
> 


just ignore. Moderation is on its way.

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Re: [DNG] little bug in package linuxlogo

[Juergen Moebius]

On  Tuesday, den 01-08-2017 um 17:14 Jaromil wrote:
>  but creating the debian_version file ourselves containing the
> codename of the debian distro that can be matched to the devuan one.

Thank for your replay and yes, creating the file "debian_version" is the
better way. Without it I also had problems with installiing deb packages
from "nomachine.com" or "webmin.com".

Greetings,
Juergen
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