Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing
Le 20/10/2017 à 23:47, goli...@dyne.org a écrit : The new amprolla3 also provides support for the currently missing Contents*.gz files (solving the apt-file bug). The feature will be made available in the coming couple of days. Hi Golinux. I've replaced ftp.mirror with pkgmaster and it works nicely. apt-file now works but it misses most of the database. See the two following examples: ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh Best Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing
On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 12:26:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 20/10/2017 à 23:47, goli...@dyne.org a écrit : > >The new amprolla3 also provides support for the currently missing > >Contents*.gz files (solving the apt-file bug). The feature will be > >made available in the coming couple of days. > Hi Golinux. > I've replaced ftp.mirror with pkgmaster and it works nicely. > apt-file now works but it misses most of the database. See the two > following examples: > ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc > ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip > openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh > Hi Didier, here on ascii: katolaz@akela:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc ccontrol: /usr/bin/gccontrol gcc: /usr/bin/gcc gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ar gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-nm gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-ar-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-nm-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib-6 gcc-python3-dbg-plugin: /usr/bin/gcc-with-python3_dbg gcc-python3-plugin: /usr/bin/gcc-with-python3 gccgo: /usr/bin/gccgo gccgo-6: /usr/bin/gccgo-6 gnat-6: /usr/bin/gcc-6-6 pentium-builder: /usr/bin/gcc xutils-dev: /usr/bin/gccmakedep $ katolaz@akela:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip hatari: /usr/bin/zip2st openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh perl: /usr/bin/zipdetails unzip: /usr/bin/zipgrep unzip: /usr/bin/zipinfo zip: /usr/bin/zip zip: /usr/bin/zipcloak zip: /usr/bin/zipnote zip: /usr/bin/zipsplit zipalign: /usr/bin/zipalign zipcmp: /usr/bin/zipcmp zipmerge: /usr/bin/zipmerge ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxy ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxylogtool ziptime: /usr/bin/ziptime ziptool: /usr/bin/ziptool $ My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Virtualbox?
hi I have builded virtualbox from debian source (stretch version), I do the tests for a couple of days and will upload the packages on hezeh. On 05/11/2017 02:55, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: jessie works fine. That is, it installs without errors and virtualbox images start fine (based on my provisioning Debian jessie images and ssh-ing into them). Using either virtualbox package with the stock linux-image-amd64 from jessie-backports (4.9+80~bpo8+1) however does *not* work. Installation fails with a compile error of the vboxdrv kernel module. It looks like the kernel API has changed (unsurprisingly when going from a major version of 3 to ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing
On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 14:00:59 +, KatolaZ wrote in message <20171105140059.gj4...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 12:26:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 20/10/2017 à 23:47, goli...@dyne.org a écrit : > > >The new amprolla3 also provides support for the currently missing > > >Contents*.gz files (solving the apt-file bug). The feature will be > > >made available in the coming couple of days. > > Hi Golinux. > > I've replaced ftp.mirror with pkgmaster and it works nicely. > > apt-file now works but it misses most of the database. See the > > two following examples: > > ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc > > ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip > > openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh > > > > Hi Didier, > > here on ascii: > > katolaz@akela:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc > ccontrol: /usr/bin/gccontrol > gcc: /usr/bin/gcc > gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ar > gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-nm > gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib > gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-6 > gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-ar-6 > gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-nm-6 > gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib-6 > gcc-python3-dbg-plugin: /usr/bin/gcc-with-python3_dbg > gcc-python3-plugin: /usr/bin/gcc-with-python3 > gccgo: /usr/bin/gccgo > gccgo-6: /usr/bin/gccgo-6 > gnat-6: /usr/bin/gcc-6-6 > pentium-builder: /usr/bin/gcc > xutils-dev: /usr/bin/gccmakedep > $ > > katolaz@akela:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip > hatari: /usr/bin/zip2st > openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh > perl: /usr/bin/zipdetails > unzip: /usr/bin/zipgrep > unzip: /usr/bin/zipinfo > zip: /usr/bin/zip > zip: /usr/bin/zipcloak > zip: /usr/bin/zipnote > zip: /usr/bin/zipsplit > zipalign: /usr/bin/zipalign > zipcmp: /usr/bin/zipcmp > zipmerge: /usr/bin/zipmerge > ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxy > ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxylogtool > ziptime: /usr/bin/ziptime > ziptool: /usr/bin/ziptool > $ > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > ...and on Jessie with exerimental vdev-0.1.2 after running 'apt-file update': arnt@d44:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc ccontrol: /usr/bin/gccontrol gcc: /usr/bin/gcc gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ar gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-nm gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib gcc-4.8: /usr/bin/gcc-4.8 gcc-4.8: /usr/bin/gcc-ar-4.8 gcc-4.8: /usr/bin/gcc-nm-4.8 gcc-4.8: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib-4.8 gcc-4.9: /usr/bin/gcc-4.9 gcc-4.9: /usr/bin/gcc-ar-4.9 gcc-4.9: /usr/bin/gcc-nm-4.9 gcc-4.9: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib-4.9 gccgo: /usr/bin/gccgo gccgo-4.8: /usr/bin/gccgo-4.8 gccgo-4.9: /usr/bin/gccgo-4.9 gccxml: /usr/bin/gccxml gccxml: /usr/bin/gccxml_cc1plus hardening-wrapper: /usr/bin/gcc-4.2 hardening-wrapper: /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 hardening-wrapper: /usr/bin/gcc-4.4 hardening-wrapper: /usr/bin/gcc-4.5 hardening-wrapper: /usr/bin/gcc-4.6 hardening-wrapper: /usr/bin/gcc-4.7 hardening-wrapper: /usr/bin/gcc-4.8 hardening-wrapper: /usr/bin/gcc-4.9 pentium-builder: /usr/bin/gcc xutils-dev: /usr/bin/gccmakedep arnt@d44:~$ apt-file search usr/bin/zip hatari: /usr/bin/zip2st libio-compress-perl: /usr/bin/zipdetails openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh perl: /usr/bin/zipdetails unzip: /usr/bin/zipgrep unzip: /usr/bin/zipinfo zip: /usr/bin/zip zip: /usr/bin/zipcloak zip: /usr/bin/zipnote zip: /usr/bin/zipsplit zipalign: /usr/bin/zipalign zipcmp: /usr/bin/zipcmp zipmerge: /usr/bin/zipmerge ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxy ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxylogtool ziptorrent: /usr/bin/ziptorrent arnt@d44:~$ apt-file purge arnt@d44:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc E: The cache is empty. You need to run 'apt-file update' first. arnt@d44:~$ apt-file search usr/bin/zip E: The cache is empty. You need to run 'apt-file update' first. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing
Le 05/11/2017 à 15:00, KatolaZ a écrit : On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 12:26:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 20/10/2017 à 23:47, goli...@dyne.org a écrit : The new amprolla3 also provides support for the currently missing Contents*.gz files (solving the apt-file bug). The feature will be made available in the coming couple of days. Hi Golinux. I've replaced ftp.mirror with pkgmaster and it works nicely. apt-file now works but it misses most of the database. See the two following examples: ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh Hi Didier, here on ascii: katolaz@akela:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc ccontrol: /usr/bin/gccontrol gcc: /usr/bin/gcc gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ar gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-nm gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-ar-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-nm-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib-6 gcc-python3-dbg-plugin: /usr/bin/gcc-with-python3_dbg gcc-python3-plugin: /usr/bin/gcc-with-python3 gccgo: /usr/bin/gccgo gccgo-6: /usr/bin/gccgo-6 gnat-6: /usr/bin/gcc-6-6 pentium-builder: /usr/bin/gcc xutils-dev: /usr/bin/gccmakedep $ katolaz@akela:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip hatari: /usr/bin/zip2st openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh perl: /usr/bin/zipdetails unzip: /usr/bin/zipgrep unzip: /usr/bin/zipinfo zip: /usr/bin/zip zip: /usr/bin/zipcloak zip: /usr/bin/zipnote zip: /usr/bin/zipsplit zipalign: /usr/bin/zipalign zipcmp: /usr/bin/zipcmp zipmerge: /usr/bin/zipmerge ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxy ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxylogtool ziptime: /usr/bin/ziptime ziptool: /usr/bin/ziptool $ My2Cents KatolaZ I'm still on Jessie. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing
Le 05/11/2017 à 17:55, Didier Kryn a écrit : Le 05/11/2017 à 15:00, KatolaZ a écrit : On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 12:26:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 20/10/2017 à 23:47, goli...@dyne.org a écrit : The new amprolla3 also provides support for the currently missing Contents*.gz files (solving the apt-file bug). The feature will be made available in the coming couple of days. Hi Golinux. I've replaced ftp.mirror with pkgmaster and it works nicely. apt-file now works but it misses most of the database. See the two following examples: ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc ~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh Hi Didier, here on ascii: katolaz@akela:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc ccontrol: /usr/bin/gccontrol gcc: /usr/bin/gcc gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ar gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-nm gcc: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-ar-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-nm-6 gcc-6: /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib-6 gcc-python3-dbg-plugin: /usr/bin/gcc-with-python3_dbg gcc-python3-plugin: /usr/bin/gcc-with-python3 gccgo: /usr/bin/gccgo gccgo-6: /usr/bin/gccgo-6 gnat-6: /usr/bin/gcc-6-6 pentium-builder: /usr/bin/gcc xutils-dev: /usr/bin/gccmakedep $ katolaz@akela:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/zip hatari: /usr/bin/zip2st openfoam: /usr/bin/zipUpMesh perl: /usr/bin/zipdetails unzip: /usr/bin/zipgrep unzip: /usr/bin/zipinfo zip: /usr/bin/zip zip: /usr/bin/zipcloak zip: /usr/bin/zipnote zip: /usr/bin/zipsplit zipalign: /usr/bin/zipalign zipcmp: /usr/bin/zipcmp zipmerge: /usr/bin/zipmerge ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxy ziproxy: /usr/bin/ziproxylogtool ziptime: /usr/bin/ziptime ziptool: /usr/bin/ziptool $ My2Cents KatolaZ I'm still on Jessie. tried apt-file purge; apt-file-update Still the same. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing
On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 06:01:56PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > tried > apt-file purge; apt-file-update > > Still the same. > Didier what do you have in your sources.list? HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Expansion of the development team
Dear Dev1rs, Because Devuan is growing and needs more hands on deck to make and execute important decisions, Devuan's lead development team has grown from three to five. This decision evolved over several weeks of discussion. Original LEADs: nextime, jaromil and Centurion_Dan New team: jaromil, Centurion_Dan, KatolaZ, Evilham and rrq The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. The website's Team page will soon reflect the changes. nextime, while maintaining infrastructure and being available for emergencies is currently not participating in the day-to-day operations entrusted to the Caretakers. The Caretakers have been working well together and with renewed energy on the task of releasing ASCII 2.0 as soon as possible in order to sync with Debian's release schedule. The Dev1Devs ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
On 05-11-17 19:44, goli...@dyne.org wrote: Dear Dev1rs, Because Devuan is growing and needs more hands on deck to make and execute important decisions, Devuan's lead development team has grown from three to five. This decision evolved over several weeks of discussion. Original LEADs: nextime, jaromil and Centurion_Dan New team: jaromil, Centurion_Dan, KatolaZ, Evilham and rrq The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. The website's Team page will soon reflect the changes. nextime, while maintaining infrastructure and being available for emergencies is currently not participating in the day-to-day operations entrusted to the Caretakers. The Caretakers have been working well together and with renewed energy on the task of releasing ASCII 2.0 as soon as possible in order to sync with Debian's release schedule. The Dev1Devs ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Caretakers? Well it is better than undertakers i guess. Grtz Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
On 2017-11-05 12:57, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: On 05-11-17 19:44, goli...@dyne.org wrote: The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. Caretakers? Well it is better than undertakers i guess. Grtz Nick ___ Well, they are nurturing and caring for the project so how is it not appropriate? Better than a bureaucratic acronym that could imply top-down management imo. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 12:44:29 -0600 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Dear Dev1rs, > > Because Devuan is growing and needs more hands on deck to make and > execute important decisions, Devuan's lead development team has grown > from three to five. This decision evolved over several weeks of > discussion. > > Original LEADs: nextime, jaromil and Centurion_Dan > > New team: jaromil, Centurion_Dan, KatolaZ, Evilham and rrq > > The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be > collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities > include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and > facilitating and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. > The website's Team page will soon reflect the changes. > > nextime, while maintaining infrastructure and being available for > emergencies is currently not participating in the day-to-day > operations entrusted to the Caretakers. > > The Caretakers have been working well together and with renewed > energy on the task of releasing ASCII 2.0 as soon as possible in > order to sync with Debian's release schedule. This sounds like great news to me. Growth and transitions are a difficult but necessary step on the path to permanence and quality. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Pdftk users, watch your backsides
Hi all, As many of you know, my bare metal distro is Void Linux, a rolling release. Rolling releases are like a canary in a coal mine: They're the first to drop dead when there's a problem. In this case, the GCC folks quit supplying libgjc, pdftk depends on libgjc, so pdftk vanished from Void. I hear it's already vanished from Redhat. My book production system relies on pdftk to read and modify PDF metadata, including adding new metadata keys. This means I can't produce books until finding and implementing a replacement. Luckily, I've already experimentally used exiftool to add a new key to a PDF's metadata, and to read it back. Today I'll perform the not inconsiderable task of replacing every instance of pdftk with exiftool in build scripts for ten books. If anybody needs help transitioning from pdftk to exiftool, a very difficult transition, let me know. But I should tell you that it's entirely possible that long before Devuan encounters the dropped libgcj, pdftk's author Sid Steward will have created a sans-libgcj version of pdftk. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pdftk users, watch your backsides
On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 14:57:04 -0500, Steve wrote in message <20171105145704.36679...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > Hi all, > > As many of you know, my bare metal distro is Void Linux, a rolling > release. Rolling releases are like a canary in a coal mine: They're > the first to drop dead when there's a problem. > > In this case, the GCC folks quit supplying libgjc, ..why? ..what happens if you recompile said canary compiler from source with: --enable-libgjc ? ..https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gccint/Libgcc.html ..stfw, I also came across some site warning against developing code on top of libgjc while in the belief that "libgjc is perfectly safe", somewhat like http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/540517 , AFAIR. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing
Le 05/11/2017 à 18:09, KatolaZ a écrit : On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 06:01:56PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] tried apt-file purge; apt-file-update Still the same. Didier what do you have in your sources.list? I messed it up; I changed the repository addess for jessie-security, jessie-update and jessie-backport but forgot the most important, jessie. Now it works. Sorry for the noise. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
Very good news! I wish all the best to the Caretakers! Antonio On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 12:44:29 -0600 > goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > Dear Dev1rs, > > > > Because Devuan is growing and needs more hands on deck to make and > > execute important decisions, Devuan's lead development team has grown > > from three to five. This decision evolved over several weeks of > > discussion. > > > > Original LEADs: nextime, jaromil and Centurion_Dan > > > > New team: jaromil, Centurion_Dan, KatolaZ, Evilham and rrq > > > > The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be > > collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities > > include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and > > facilitating and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. > > The website's Team page will soon reflect the changes. > > > > nextime, while maintaining infrastructure and being available for > > emergencies is currently not participating in the day-to-day > > operations entrusted to the Caretakers. > > > > The Caretakers have been working well together and with renewed > > energy on the task of releasing ASCII 2.0 as soon as possible in > > order to sync with Debian's release schedule. > > This sounds like great news to me. Growth and transitions are a > difficult but necessary step on the path to permanence and quality. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
On 05/11/17 02:22 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-11-05 12:57, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: On 05-11-17 19:44, goli...@dyne.org wrote: The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. Caretakers? Well it is better than undertakers i guess. Grtz Nick ___ Well, they are nurturing and caring for the project so how is it not appropriate? Better than a bureaucratic acronym that could imply top-down management imo. golinux Sounds like a healthy expansion to me, congratulations in arriving at it. Caretaker leaves an impression in my head of everything from a god like science fiction entity to a custodian/janitor. So plenty of scope. (-; I'm not sure of the actual structural form envisioned for Devuan. There has to be some vertical structure and a group of 'n' at the top, it is IMHO unavoidable. I think pure top down works the best for creating user dependence, the benefits can be better controlled to trickle down to the shareholders and the improvement flow controlled to the users. It is a well proven model for commercial operating systems and one that GNU/Linux tends, by its very nature, to throw a wrench into. Clarke Sideroad ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
Best of luck and many thanks to the Caretakers from me and mine as well. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
On November 5, 2017 4:05:09 PM CST, "Antonio Trkdz.tab" wrote: ::Very good news! :: ::I wish all the best to the Caretakers! :: I second this and a big thank you to all who participate to make Devuan what it is! -- Sent from a Mobile device. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks
On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 at 22:16:53 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Nov 04, 2017 at 05:29:00PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > >> his very rigid attitude to freedom in software > > I'd prefer if this attitude was more rigid. > > For example, AGPL -- even worse as GPL-3 allows an "upgrade" to this > non-free crock. It breaks FSF Freedom 0 "the freedom to use for any > purpose": you can't take any code from an AGPLed project and use it within > any networked scenario that doesn't provide a way to advertise the source, > such as an IMAP server, a wifi-connected lift control Source distribution constraints do not have to do with purpose of use. [...] > GFDL even disallows chmod -r or > locking the door to your server room. A key might be 5000 years old > technology but is still technology. ? What do file permissions, server rooms, doors and locks have to do about documentation and licenses? Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pdftk users, watch your backsides
On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 22:18:10 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 14:57:04 -0500, Steve wrote in message > <20171105145704.36679...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > > > Hi all, > > > > As many of you know, my bare metal distro is Void Linux, a rolling > > release. Rolling releases are like a canary in a coal mine: They're > > the first to drop dead when there's a problem. > > > > In this case, the GCC folks quit supplying libgjc, > > ..why? What I heard was that libgjc was terrible and buggy code. > > ..what happens if you recompile said canary compiler > from source with: --enable-libgjc ? Recompiling a compiler is a little rich for my blood. Much easier to re-craft exiftool to replace the lost pdftool functionality. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
On November 5, 2017 9:44:29 PM GMT+03:00, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be >collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. They don't really need a group name, in my opinion. That gives me a 'Ghostbusters'-kinda vibe. --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- https://nextchan.org - https://gitgud.io/m712/blazechan I am awake between 7AM-12AM UTC, hit me up if something's wrong signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks
On November 4, 2017 8:29:00 PM GMT+03:00, Simon Hobson wrote: >m712 wrote: > >> I'd really like to meet Richard Stallman in person. I hope I can, >someday. > >I've met him briefly when he did a speaking tour in the UK. >He has a reputation for being direct and taking questions literally - >and that's how I found him. I assume it's just the way he is, some of >us are like that. I think that's part of the reason many people >"dislike" him - if you don't recognise that he's just being direct, >some mike mistake it for rudeness. I am also like that, I like to be blunt people. I also only use free software, so I think we'd be good buddies ;-) >But regardless of what you think of him, and his very rigid attitude to >freedom in software, without him (and others with similar views) we >certainly would not be where we are now. I do not doubt that. I have an immense amount of respect for the GNU Project and the FSF. One of my life goals is to get hired at FSF, in fact. --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- https://nextchan.org - https://gitgud.io/m712/blazechan I am awake between 7AM-12AM UTC, hit me up if something's wrong signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks
On November 5, 2017 12:16:53 AM GMT+03:00, Adam Borowski wrote: >On Sat, Nov 04, 2017 at 05:29:00PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > >> his very rigid attitude to freedom in software > >I'd prefer if this attitude was more rigid. > >For example, AGPL -- even worse as GPL-3 allows an "upgrade" to this >non-free crock. It breaks FSF Freedom 0 "the freedom to use for any >purpose": you can't take any code from an AGPLed project and use it >within >any networked scenario that doesn't provide a way to advertise the >source, >such as an IMAP server, a wifi-connected lift control (visit Google's >offices in Zurich and they'll mention this every time), or a light >dimmer. >How do you propose the interface in the last case to be? "Raise your >hand >to turn light on, lower it to turn off, hop to recite the source"? You do realize that the source only has to be made available by the manufacturer, right? You can also create an extension API to add your proprietary code AFAIK. Just put a sticker "for source code, visit https://chingchong.co.hk/gpl/"; for the light dimmer. >AGPL also breaks DFSG Dissident Test: take a blogging platform, which >has >two tiers of users: your dissident friends who send secret >steganographic >messages, and regular bloggers whose content unknowingly gets some HTML >tags >reordered to smuggle those secret messages. AGPL would require >revealing >the secret, regular GPL doesn't endanger you in any way (only the >fellow >dissidents who need an encoder/decoder receive its sources). Use an API. >Or, GFDL. Besides obviously non-free immutable sections and front/back >covers (which don't even allow you to correct an error, remove "Ode to >Hitler" a previous maintainer add, etc), GFDL even disallows chmod -r >or >locking the door to your server room. A key might be 5000 years old >technology but is still technology. Nobody tells you to make the server ssh-accessible publicly. The only additional necessity of the AGPL license over GPL is that if you made modifications to the server source code, you must release them as well. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but personally I prefer it. In fact, the source code of Blazechan (the imageboard software I'm currently working on, check sig) is AGPLv3. --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- :^) --- https://nextchan.org - https://gitgud.io/m712/blazechan I am awake between 7AM-12AM UTC, hit me up if something's wrong signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
Thanks for all the work! On 2017年11月6日 3:44:29 JST, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >Dear Dev1rs, > >Because Devuan is growing and needs more hands on deck to make and >execute important decisions, Devuan's lead development team has grown >from three to five. This decision evolved over several weeks of >discussion. > >Original LEADs: nextime, jaromil and Centurion_Dan > >New team: jaromil, Centurion_Dan, KatolaZ, Evilham and rrq > >The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be >collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities >include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating > >and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. The website's >Team page will soon reflect the changes. > >nextime, while maintaining infrastructure and being available for >emergencies is currently not participating in the day-to-day operations > >entrusted to the Caretakers. > >The Caretakers have been working well together and with renewed energy >on the task of releasing ASCII 2.0 as soon as possible in order to sync > >with Debian's release schedule. > >The Dev1Devs >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
Le 06/11/2017 à 00:33, Clarke Sideroad a écrit : On 05/11/17 02:22 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-11-05 12:57, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: On 05-11-17 19:44, goli...@dyne.org wrote: The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. Caretakers? Well it is better than undertakers i guess. Grtz Nick ___ Well, they are nurturing and caring for the project so how is it not appropriate? Better than a bureaucratic acronym that could imply top-down management imo. golinux Sounds like a healthy expansion to me, congratulations in arriving at it. Caretaker leaves an impression in my head of everything from a god like science fiction entity to a custodian/janitor. So plenty of scope. (-; This invention reminds me of the novel of Philip K Dick "Clans of the Alphane Moon", in which the moon is governed by the council "sine qua non" ;-) Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
On 5 November 2017 at 21:44, wrote: > Dear Dev1rs, > > Because Devuan is growing and needs more hands on deck to make and execute > important decisions, Devuan's lead development team has grown from three to > five. This decision evolved over several weeks of discussion. > > Original LEADs: nextime, jaromil and Centurion_Dan > > New team: jaromil, Centurion_Dan, KatolaZ, Evilham and rrq > > The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be > collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities > include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating and > improving the availability of Devuan to its users. The website's Team page > will soon reflect the changes. > > nextime, while maintaining infrastructure and being available for > emergencies is currently not participating in the day-to-day operations > entrusted to the Caretakers. > > The Caretakers have been working well together and with renewed energy on > the task of releasing ASCII 2.0 as soon as possible in order to sync with > Debian's release schedule. > > The Dev1Devs > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > Many many thanks to everyone involved with this project. At the end the day, you guys put your precious time and energy into this project, much appreciated. -- aldemir ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > Many many thanks to everyone involved with this project. At the end the > day, you guys put your precious time and energy into this project, much > appreciated. Yeah, I have my system running trouble-free thanks in part to Devuan which supports my choice to run proven software subsystems, and install only the bleeding edge stuff **that I really want.** I appreciate the heroic and mundane work you all do behind the scenes! -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
