Re: [DNG] Procmail mutterings [Was: Re: Different philosophies
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 03:54:41PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 10.11.17 05:50, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > A quick check shows Wikipedia asserting the same: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procmail > > Hmmm ... curiously confused wording puts it in the past tense, but in > the next sentence admits "remains in wide use as its capabilities are > better than its alternatives." Uhm, check file's history. It'd be nice if someone reworded this into a more homogenous prose. Remember, everyone can edit: MikeeUSA, Lennart, The Donald, even you. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Laws we want back: Poland, Dz.U. 1921 nr.30 poz.177 (also Dz.U. ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ 1920 nr.11 poz.61): Art.2: An official, guilty of accepting a gift ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ or another material benefit, or a promise thereof, [in matters ⠈⠳⣄ relevant to duties], shall be punished by death by shooting. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree.
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 07:51:39AM +0100, Harald Arnesen wrote: > taii...@gmx.com [2017-11-11 04:44]: > > On 11/10/2017 06:21 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > >> Then replacing your video card might be the only option. > > > Replace with what? I bought this one as wikipedia says there is a free > > firmware option for it "radeon" - to me that means no blobs required but > > I guess "they" changed the definition. > > Does it really make the card more "free" if the binary blob is built-in > instead of being loaded at runtime? Somehow, RMS believes so. The only argument against loadable blobs I've heard is that the manufacturer can replace it with something more evil. But that's nonsense as you can keep an older version. And in most cases, a new version fixes bugs, often crippling ones. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Laws we want back: Poland, Dz.U. 1921 nr.30 poz.177 (also Dz.U. ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ 1920 nr.11 poz.61): Art.2: An official, guilty of accepting a gift ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ or another material benefit, or a promise thereof, [in matters ⠈⠳⣄ relevant to duties], shall be punished by death by shooting. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
Hi, the Devuan repository is missing the latest Thunderbird language packs. Debian has version 52: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/thunderbird-l10n-de but Devuan still has version 45. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 10:02:28AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > the Devuan repository is missing the latest Thunderbird language packs. > Debian has version 52: > https://packages.debian.org/jessie/thunderbird-l10n-de > but Devuan still has version 45. > Again, if you are talking of ascii, the packages are already there: apt-cache policy thunderbird-l10n-de thunderbird-l10n-de: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:52.4.0-1~deb9u1 Version table: 1:52.4.0-1~deb9u1 500 500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main i386 Packages 1:52.3.0-4~deb9u1 500 500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii/main i386 Packages If you are talking of jessie, the packages for version 52 are available in jessie-security: apt-cache policy thunderbird-l10n-de thunderbird-l10n-de: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:52.3.0-4~deb8u2 Version table: 1:52.3.0-4~deb8u2 0 500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main i386 Packages 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1 0 500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main i386 Packages HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 10:02:28AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > the Devuan repository is missing the latest Thunderbird language packs. > Debian has version 52: > https://packages.debian.org/jessie/thunderbird-l10n-de > but Devuan still has version 45. > Just to clarify and to avoid further future confusion, the webpage at packages.debian.org that you pointed us to clearly shows "[security]" close to the package name, which means that the package is available as a security update. This means that, in order to have it in jessie, you must include the jessie-security repo in your sources.list. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Documentation format philosophies
Steve Litt: these days I write all my personal documents with Leafpad, which adds word-wrap capability to what can be achieved with plain text editors ex, nano, etc. I discovered that I cannot access the raw MarkDown text of the original Alternative Init .. document [copy+paste from the talk.devuan.org web site strips the markup directives]. Just as well I will write the new paper from scratch. I was once fluent in HTML, and XHTML seems to just to be a strict version thereof. We use LaTEX in technical documents, and I can quickly become fluent in any sensible markup language [including MarkDown]. The question to ask is: are the documentation tools widely available; are they open source; can they be built without many dependent packages/libraries? jacksprat [or "jack da" for some reason] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Documentation format philosophies
On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:15:44 + jack da wrote: > Steve Litt: these days I write all my personal documents with > Leafpad, which adds word-wrap capability to what can be achieved with > plain text editors ex, nano, etc. If you include Vim in that list, Vim has at least one Zencoding plugin. With Zencoding, you can set up a start/end tag pair, with the cursor resting where you're supposed to type, with one keystroke. > > I discovered that I cannot access the raw MarkDown text of the > original Alternative Init .. document [copy+paste from the > talk.devuan.org web site strips the markup directives]. Just as well > I will write the new paper from scratch. Markdown, Asciidoc, and Asciidoctor are wonderful *for what they do*. They're not a documentation be all and end all. > > I was once fluent in HTML, and XHTML seems to just to be a strict > version thereof. Yes. And as far as fluency, when you use Bluefish, it makes suggestions for what tags to put and what to put in the tags, making Xhtml open to the less than fluent. > We use LaTEX in technical documents, LaTeX is wonderful *for what it does*, which is make beautifully typeset documents whose linefeeds are determined at compile time, not at read time (like ePub, HTML or Xhtml). The problem is that you can't reasonably convert LaTeX to XML, HTML, Xhtml or the like. LaTeX is the best around if you know the page size, line width, and margins at compile time. > and I can > quickly become fluent in any sensible markup language [including > MarkDown]. Yes. Markdown and Asciidoc are dead bang simple. > > The question to ask is: are the documentation tools widely > available; are they open source; can they be built without many > dependent packages/libraries? Let me answer your questions, in the context of the Bluefish editor, which I think is superior for HTML, Xhtml, and probably several other languages: * Widely available? : Yes. Most distros have a Bluefish package, and you can compile the code straight from the Bluefish authors. I had to do this when the Void Linux version of Bluefish went bad. * Open Source? : Yes. GNU General Public License, version 3, or at your option, later. * Few dependent packaes/libraries? : No. Bluefish has lots of dependencies. It's a GUI program useful in many human languages, capable of understanding many computer languages. Its realtime semi-authoring of code makes it both a huge timesaver and a program with serious dependencies. The following is a list of its direct dependencies: === [slitt@mydesk ~]$ xbps-query -x bluefish hicolor-icon-theme>=0 desktop-file-utils>=0 xmlcatmgr>=0 python>=0 glibc>=2.8_1 gtk+3>=3.0.0_1 pango>=1.24.0_1 cairo>=1.8.6_1 gdk-pixbuf>=2.22.0_1 glib>=2.18.0_1 libxml2>=2.7.0_1 enchant>=1.4.2_1 gucharmap>=3.0.0_1 [slitt@mydesk ~]$ Unless you've managed to live without GTk all these years, none of these direct dependencies look particularly harmful to me. As far as I can tell, no KDE libs, no Gnome libs, no systemd. My advice would be to try Bluefish for a couple weeks, then decide whether to keep it or throw it away and uninstall all auto-installed packages no longer necessary. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Documentation format philosophies
Steve: Thanks for the detailed reply. Bluefish was not a package in Salix Linux, so I downloaded the source and muddled my way though {autoconf; ./configure; make; sudo make install} and tried it on some leapad files. I don't expect to live long enough to explore all its possibilities! I am half-way though writing the manual for the sinitrc 2nd edition [as pure text]. There are a few porting things that need documenting [they are mostly in my head at the moment]. One thing that puzzles me about the DNG mailing lists. The partial email address [eg jack@???] is printed for some users [incuding me]! Surely this is a bug. jacksprat ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
Am 2017-11-11 11:15, schrieb KatolaZ: Just to clarify and to avoid further future confusion, the webpage at packages.debian.org that you pointed us to clearly shows "[security]" close to the package name, which means that the package is available as a security update. This means that, in order to have it in jessie, you must include the jessie-security repo in your sources.list. Sure I have! deb http://de.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib non-free ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
This is from http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages Package: thunderbird Version: 1:52.4.0-1~deb8u1 Installed-Size: 109039 Maintainer: Carsten Schoenert Architecture: amd64 Replaces: icedove (<< 1:45.6.0-2.1~) Provides: icedove, mail-reader Depends: debianutils (>= 1.16), fontconfig, psmisc, x11-utils, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.17), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.2-2~), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable), libffi6 (>= 3.0.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libhunspell-1.3-0 (>= 1.3.3), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.19.6), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 4.9), libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.4) Suggests: apparmor, fonts-lyx, libgssapi-krb5-2 Breaks: enigmail (<< 2:1.9.8.1-1~), hunspell-ar (<< 0.0.0+20080110-1.1), hunspell-da (<< 1:3.1.0-3), hunspell-de-at (<< 20071211-2), hunspell-de-ch (<< 20071211-2), hunspell-de-de (<< 20071211-2), hunspell-de-med (<< 20090825-1), hunspell-en-ca (<< 1:3.1.0-3), hunspell-en-us (<< 20070829-3), hunspell-fr (<< 1:3.1.0-3), hunspell-gl-es (<< 2.2a-6), hunspell-hu (<< 1:3.1.0-3), hunspell-ko (<< 0.3.3-1), hunspell-ne (<< 1:3.1.0-3), hunspell-se (<< 1.0~beta6.20081222-1.1), hunspell-sh (<< 1:3.1.0-3), hunspell-sr (<< 1:3.1.0-3), hunspell-uz (<< 0.6-3.1), hunspell-vi (<< 1:3.1.0-3), icedove (<< 1:45.6.0-2.1~), lightning (<< 1:52.4.0-1~deb8u1), myspell-af (<< 1:3.1.0-3), myspell-ca (<< 0.6-8), myspell-cs-cz (<< 20040229-4.1), myspell-da (<< 1.6.18-1.1), myspell-de-at (<< 20071211-2), myspell-de-ch (<< 20071211-2), myspell-de-de (<< 20071211-2), myspell-de-de-oldspell (<< 1:2-25.1), myspell-el-gr (<< 0.3-1.1), myspell-en-au (<< 2.1-5), myspell-en-gb (<< 1:3.1.0-3), myspell-en-us (<< 1:3.1.0-3), myspell-en-za (<< 1:3.1.0-3), myspell-eo (<< 2.1.2000.02.25-41), myspell-es (<< 1.10-7), myspell-et (<< 1:20030606-12.1), myspell-fa (<< 0.20070816-2), myspell-fi (<< 0.7-17.2), myspell-fo (<< 0.2.36-3), myspell-fr (<< 1.4-25), myspell-fr-gut (<< 1:1.0-26.1), myspell-ga (<< 2.0-19), myspell-gd (<< 0.50-7), myspell-gv (<< 0.50-8), myspell-hr (<< 20060617-2), myspell-hu (<< 0.99.4-1.2), myspell-hy (<< 0.10.1-1.1), myspell-it (<< 1:3.1.0-3), myspell-ku (<< 0.20.0-1.1), myspell-lv (<< 0.7.3-3.1), myspell-nb (<< 2.0.10-3.1), myspell-ne (<< 1.0-4.1), myspell-nl (<< 1:1.10-3), myspell-nn (<< 2.0.10-3.1), myspell-pl (<< 20090830-1), myspell-pt-br (<< 2009.03.30-1.1), myspell-pt-pt (<< 20090309-1.1), myspell-ru (<< 0.99g5-8.1), myspell-sk (<< 0.5.5a-2.1), myspell-sv-se (<< 1.3.8-6-2.2), myspell-sw (<< 1:3.1.0-3), myspell-th (<< 1:3.1.0-3), myspell-tl (<< 0.4-0-5), xul-ext-compactheader (<< 2.1.0~), xul-ext-foxyproxy-standard (<< 4.5.6-debian-2~) Description: mail/news client with RSS, chat and integrated spam filter support Homepage: http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird/ Description-md5: 0834e84e4477b5b83149edf61e105571 Recommends: lightning (= 1:52.4.0-1~deb8u1), myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary Xul-Appid: {3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6} Section: mail Priority: optional Filename: pool/DEBIAN-SECURITY/updates/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_52.4.0-1~deb8u1_amd64.deb Size: 41368220 MD5sum: 16ca0448ceeeb49ebedfbd3155cf16bc SHA1: 1708452ba2418e5d9ec9377221aa90edd983ac77 SHA256: fc1a4f3a04ac446cb764ffeb551de1f8af4da8ecdf9d044a4219dfa57842e58c And this is from http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-all/Packages Package: thunderbird-l10n-de Source: icedove Version: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1 Installed-Size: 791 Maintainer: Christoph Goehre Architecture: all Replaces: icedove-l10n-de (<< 1:45.6.0-2.1~) Provides: icedove-l10n-de Depends: thunderbird (<< 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1.1~), thunderbird (>= 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1) Breaks: icedove-l10n-de (<< 1:45.6.0-2.1~) Description: German language package for Thunderbird Homepage: https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Teams:de Description-md5: b84355301b3680934c743f3984cf95d0 Recommends: hunspell-de-de | hunspell-de-at | hunspell-de-ch | myspell-de-de | myspell-de-at | myspell-de-ch Section: localization Priority: optional Filename: pool/DEBIAN-SECURITY/updates/main/i/icedove/thunderbird-l10n-de_45.8.0-3~deb8u1_all.deb Size: 485112 MD5sum: 0c0311261b6a3062587db9d8dc5384df SHA1: 00e32ea6f431d615141ae7e102ee002581d4415c SHA256: 8e5bc813d54950d64b798943c14f38598a0927503e8ad1a0e583416e565f6841 Thunderbird Version 52, Language pack version 45! Please can someone correct that? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Documentation format philosophies
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 01:33:28PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:15:44 + > LaTeX is wonderful *for what it does*, which is make beautifully > typeset documents whose linefeeds are determined at compile time, not > at read time (like ePub, HTML or Xhtml). The problem is that you can't > reasonably convert LaTeX to XML, HTML, Xhtml or the like. Conversion of TeX to HTML etc. is a challenge. These did not work very well for me: $ htlatex universal.tex "xhtml,ooffice" "ooffice/! -cmozhtf" "-coo" "-cvalidate" $ latex2html source $ tex4ht ... I had better luck with the lwarp TeX package. It stumbled on some aspects of my TeX document, but that was a year ago, and at that point it was still under early development. I believe today it does better, but have not checked. Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 09:18:48PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > This is from > http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages > You must use either packages.devuan.org, or auto.mirror.devuan.org, or pkgmaster.devuan.org. amprolla.devuan.org is not being used for *ages* (like, since before Devuan Jessie beta went out, IIRC). It's not listed anywhere. The Jessie release announcement clearly indicates to use only auto.mirror.devuan.org, and the latest amprolla rewrite is available at pkgmaster.devuan.org (plus a series of other mirrors that we are going to list on www.devuan.org). Please update your sources.list HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Documentation format philosophies
On Sat, 2017-11-11 at 13:33 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > We use LaTEX in technical documents, > > LaTeX is wonderful *for what it does*, which is make beautifully > typeset documents whose linefeeds are determined at compile time, not > at read time (like ePub, HTML or Xhtml). The problem is that you can't > reasonably convert LaTeX to XML, HTML, Xhtml or the like. Ever heard about latex2html? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
On Tue 07 November 2017 17:50:27 John Hughes wrote: > The separation of / and /usr is a relic of really, really tiny disk sizes. Like, for example, ARMv7 systems with a 128MB NAND to boot from, keeping /usr on a separate storage like SSD? Doesn't sound like an obsolete ancient relic /j ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
Am 2017-11-11 23:00, schrieb KatolaZ: You must use either packages.devuan.org, or auto.mirror.devuan.org, or pkgmaster.devuan.org. amprolla.devuan.org is not being used for *ages* I used de.mirror.devuan.org, that links to amprolla. If this is no longer a valid mirror, you should communicate such changes. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
Am 2017-11-11 23:00, schrieb KatolaZ: You must use either packages.devuan.org, or auto.mirror.devuan.org, or pkgmaster.devuan.org. auto.mirror.devuan.org makes no difference, still version 45 language packs. Please look at the package archive before you blame me! :-( Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Thunderbird language packs outdated
I would remove all languages that I do not need. Certainly, you do not know 45 languages! I suggest you to download the Debian sources (or Devuanised source packages) if available, open the debian/control file, and remove all those futile dependencies for all languages that I don't use. Yes, I use downright simple solutions, but as long as those simple hacks continue to work, there doesn't seem there is any need to apply more complicated solutions. -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) If you cannot make abstructions about details you do not understand the concepts underlying them. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng