Re: [DNG] Is the removal of powermgmt-base from apts' suggested packages a problem for us?
Am Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2018 schrieb taii...@gmx.com:
> With actions like these I can't understand why some people think it is
> weird for me to believe that SystemD is a conspiracy to weaken computer
> security, they are constantly trying to force people to use it with
> shady crap like this.
>
> Why after all would every distro that prides on being different suddenly
> adapt the exact same init system? just because? I can't believe why the
> US government is fine with a foreign national pulling the computer
> security rug out from under them - despite claims of systemd being the
> TLA's doing they are still using it!
>
> SystemD systems take minutes to boot even without the bogus "start/stop
> job running for *thing*" whereas devuan takes 15 seconds, it isn't
> better in any way but the so called experts of the world clamor for it
> and insist your thoughts on the matter don't matter - the same people
> who think that a non-owner controlled MS "secure" boot is just fine
> because oh hey a MS signed grub comes with RHEL.
"How do you call a persion, that does not know anything about the subject in
discussion?" "Expert" - This is from a recent discussion about and with
so-called "Bildungsexperten" ("education experts")
Nik
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Re: [DNG] Is the removal of powermgmt-base from apts' suggested packages a problem for us?
With actions like these I can't understand why some people think it is weird for me to believe that SystemD is a conspiracy to weaken computer security, they are constantly trying to force people to use it with shady crap like this. Why after all would every distro that prides on being different suddenly adapt the exact same init system? just because? I can't believe why the US government is fine with a foreign national pulling the computer security rug out from under them - despite claims of systemd being the TLA's doing they are still using it! SystemD systems take minutes to boot even without the bogus "start/stop job running for *thing*" whereas devuan takes 15 seconds, it isn't better in any way but the so called experts of the world clamor for it and insist your thoughts on the matter don't matter - the same people who think that a non-owner controlled MS "secure" boot is just fine because oh hey a MS signed grub comes with RHEL. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is the removal of powermgmt-base from apts' suggested packages a problem for us?
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 01:46:12PM +, Daniel Abrecht wrote: > I've been following the apt mailing list just in case. Someone wants > to remove powermgmt-base from apt's suggested packages, claiming it to > be obsolete and only used on non-systemd systems anyway. Should we be > worried about this? I've made a copy of the package source of > powermgmt-base and pm-utils using "apt-get source" to be prepared just > in case they suddenly disappear. > > Here is a link to the bug report on the debian bug tracker: > https://bugs.debian.org/891610 apt is Essential:yes, which means its Suggests: are never presented to people. Thus, having anything in this field is moot. As for powermgmt-base -- I've just researched interfaces it supports, and it's strictly better than systemd: beside modern drivers that register themselves in sysfs, some ancient pieces of hardware require the former. They include at least Apple Powerbooks and some 32-bit x86 laptops. Then, of course, there's hardware that systemd doesn't run on at all. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ A dumb species has no way to open a tuna can. ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A smart species invents a can opener. ⠈⠳⣄ A master species delegates. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Requesting translations for dev1fanboy wiki
On 02/27/2018 04:48 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 04:00:30AM -0500, Chillfan wrote: In my testing from stretch there was no traditional networking there which makes networking a difficult transition. But I wasn't aware of this particular issue. I've made a note just now that manual network configuration is a requirement when working remotely, and updated the manual network configuration page. I'll also create update the website in a moment and make the merge request. Please would translators hold off on those pages for now or update them if you've already done the work. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks, Dear Chillfan, sorry for pestering you, but by reading the same page again I was wondering if the transition to wicd is really necessary. As a matter of fact, we do have a network-manager package in the Devuan repos (both for Jessie and for ASCII), and it has been reported to work just fine. I am the least qualified person to speak about that since I don't use nm, but if replacing it is not mandatory, we could perhaps amend the first part of the document accordingly, e.g., suggesting users the possibility of choosing between nm and wicd. My2Cents KatolaZ On this particular installation I removed wicd and switched to connman as it is also available in the repositories and seems to work fine for me. Choice is good. (-: I was finding wicd hit or miss with what appeared to be some kind of conflict on this ascii install and I really can't get my head into using network-manager due to bad experiences using its forebear "network-mangler". Clarke ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is the removal of powermgmt-base from apts' suggested packages a problem for us?
On 2018-02-27 07:46, Daniel Abrecht wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I've been following the apt mailing list just in case. Someone wants to remove powermgmt-base from apt's suggested packages, claiming it to be obsolete and only used on non-systemd systems anyway. Should we be worried about this? I've made a copy of the package source of powermgmt-base and pm-utils using "apt-get source" to be prepared just in case they suddenly disappear. Here is a link to the bug report on the debian bug tracker: https://bugs.debian.org/891610 Thanks for the heads-up. gksu and gksudo are also on the chopping block. This is the direction that Debian is going. Anything not used by systemd will eventually be eliminated including sysvinit etc. at some point. No one with connected brain cells should be surprised. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Is the removal of powermgmt-base from apts' suggested packages a problem for us?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I've been following the apt mailing list just in case. Someone wants to remove powermgmt-base from apt's suggested packages, claiming it to be obsolete and only used on non-systemd systems anyway. Should we be worried about this? I've made a copy of the package source of powermgmt-base and pm-utils using "apt-get source" to be prepared just in case they suddenly disappear. Here is a link to the bug report on the debian bug tracker: https://bugs.debian.org/891610 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQFIBAEBCAAyFiEEZT8xKpcJ1eXNKSM1cASjafdLVoEFAlqVYRgUHG1lQGRhbmll bGFicmVjaHQuY2gACgkQcASjafdLVoHDmQgAjL71jUnUAxwnavrF5kJNZ115ADn/ pvI7BitAYJsDmbvkCPRUlYtWJPPr/OivPz2zXDctzwMO0C5rNoa+CFqtiuEejOgt 3NVgIhInqMPRiC0OuIbqIm8TYDO86dYxaj5Wi4QXGKKNRytH2SOzdUDfaM2yOuIo W20RHQ9bEm6rlbsRjL7C5BOGvfSWV543SNQc6aQYHa0DN2KNanNRcyU+FvHxBN4J 554PYvddEvGA7e9j7EzNqoEBnNHOm5E9rsKMMtpqPDG0LbrV+WRz0sXJTz8L0QHY Nj1wVQsKIVVQgO6nlu2ZFU96xEOKWpqFXP6BJLqH7jlgBq8uWi9hKBw6sA== =r6PC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Requesting translations for dev1fanboy wiki
For Strech there looks to be something blocking that for now, and xorg is getting removed during dist-upgrade. After removing network-manager that didn't seem to be an issue, but systemd will block that when trying to upgrade network-manager (and eudev) first. So, I will need to do some more testing and improving on ascii migrations and network configuration. Thanks, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On February 27, 2018 9:53 AM, J. Fahrner j...@fahrner.name wrote: > Am 2018-02-27 10:48, schrieb KatolaZ: > > > sorry for pestering you, but by reading the same page again I was > > > > wondering if the transition to wicd is really necessary. > > I also wondered when I translated the pages > > Jochen > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Requesting translations for dev1fanboy wiki
Am 2018-02-27 10:48, schrieb KatolaZ: sorry for pestering you, but by reading the same page again I was wondering if the transition to wicd is really necessary. I also wondered when I translated the pages Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Requesting translations for dev1fanboy wiki
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 04:00:30AM -0500, Chillfan wrote: > In my testing from stretch there was no traditional networking there which > makes networking a difficult transition. But I wasn't aware of this > particular issue. > > I've made a note just now that manual network configuration is a requirement > when working remotely, and updated the manual network configuration page. > I'll also create update the website in a moment and make the merge request. > > Please would translators hold off on those pages for now or update them if > you've already done the work. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Thanks, > Dear Chillfan, sorry for pestering you, but by reading the same page again I was wondering if the transition to wicd is really necessary. As a matter of fact, we do have a network-manager package in the Devuan repos (both for Jessie and for ASCII), and it has been reported to work just fine. I am the least qualified person to speak about that since I don't use nm, but if replacing it is not mandatory, we could perhaps amend the first part of the document accordingly, e.g., suggesting users the possibility of choosing between nm and wicd. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Requesting translations for dev1fanboy wiki
In my testing from stretch there was no traditional networking there which makes networking a difficult transition. But I wasn't aware of this particular issue. I've made a note just now that manual network configuration is a requirement when working remotely, and updated the manual network configuration page. I'll also create update the website in a moment and make the merge request. Please would translators hold off on those pages for now or update them if you've already done the work. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On February 26, 2018 10:01 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 09:33:29PM -0500, Chillfan wrote: > > > It turns out the ASCII migration page is still correct, so it's available > > to translate. > > > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrate-to-ascii.md > > > > Thanks, > > > > chillfan > > Dear Chillfan, > > I just discovered a quite serious glitch that I guess might already be > > known: upgrading Debian stretch to ASCII following the tutorial at the > > link above will not work properly, since stretch does not have a > > /etc/network/interfaces file any more (that's now deprecated in > > Debian). > > This means that an upgrade on a remote server requires the admin to > > create that file by hand first, and then reboot into sysvinit, > > otherwise the server will be unreachable after reboot (and might > > require a costly console intervention in some cases). > > We must put this fact into evidence in the tutorial, and add all the > > relevant warnings around. Actually, it would be better to have a > > script that creates a skeleton for /etc/network/interfaces, and then > > asks the admin to double-check it before a reboot. > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > \[ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab \] > > \[ "+. katolaz \[at\] freaknet.org \-\-\- katolaz \[at\] yahoo.it \] > > \[ @) http://kalos.mine.nu \-\-\- Devuan GNU + Linux User \] > > \[ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia \-\- GPG: 0B5F062F \] > > \[ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ \] > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
