Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 22:03, Steve Litt wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:51:05 -0500
goli...@dyne.org wrote:


And this is the ASCII (darkpurpy) default login screen.
https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_ascii.png


The ASCII (darkpurpy) has much better color resolution, so that's good.

I'd recommend making the text about F1 and man slim significantly
bigger and perhaps within the darker color. You have plenty of real
estate there.

Another recommendation I have, although it wouldn't be easy, is to have
buttons labeled 2x font and 4x font. This would blow up the font for
really sight deficient people who need enough readability to set their
font appropriately.

I haven't thought this out completely, but it's purpose is to save
people from the buried shovel where if only they could read the screen,
they could enlarge the font, and if only they could enlarge the font,
they could read the screen.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve, I appreciate your comments but you are really late to this party. 
 The ASCII slim theme was finished in December and the layout and font 
sizing are identical to the one in Jessie which is about a year ago. The 
slim panel has also been posted to this list maybe a dozen times in the 
last year. So the Jessie and ASCII ship have sailed.  I'll have a look 
at enlarging the font when I start on Beowulf but there will be no fussy 
buttons (for both technical and aesthetic reasons).


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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:51:05 -0500
goli...@dyne.org wrote:

> On 2018-03-11 14:08, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> > Factum est.
> > 
> > Slim now displays another background instead of the default but it
> > is still one of golinux's creations. I find the previous simple
> > backgrounds better suited for a display manager. This one is dark
> > purple with Devuan's logo across the screen. It is
> > /usr/share/images/desktop-base/your-way_purpy-narrow-large.png.
> > 
> > Nice and simple, the way I want it.
> > 
> > Thanks to all.
> >   
> 
> Edward, I'm happy to hear that you've found something that suits you. 
> But now I'm wondering what you were previously seeing.
> 
> This is the Jessie (purpy) default login screen:
> https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_jessie.png
> 
> And this is the ASCII (darkpurpy) default login screen.
> https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_ascii.png

The ASCII (darkpurpy) has much better color resolution, so that's good.

I'd recommend making the text about F1 and man slim significantly
bigger and perhaps within the darker color. You have plenty of real
estate there.

Another recommendation I have, although it wouldn't be easy, is to have
buttons labeled 2x font and 4x font. This would blow up the font for
really sight deficient people who need enough readability to set their
font appropriately.

I haven't thought this out completely, but it's purpose is to save
people from the buried shovel where if only they could read the screen,
they could enlarge the font, and if only they could enlarge the font,
they could read the screen.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] rq: show me your power

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 00:59:21 +0100, Adam wrote in message 
<20180311235921.aq6uclmmsx2ip...@angband.pl>:

> Hi!
> If you have a machine with a non-boring power connection (USB, etc)
> or an UPS that's recognized by the kernel (rather than just nut),
> please ls /sys/class/power_supply/ -- if you see anything other than
> "ac" or "battery" there, please send me that data.

..I have one laptop with "AC0", one with "AC", both with "BAT0". 
Both my Raspberry Pis have empty /sys/class/power_supply link 
trees, 3 pipe mails mailed in case you can use them. 

> grep . /sys/class/power_supply/*/* | mail -s power kilob...@angband.pl

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Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 07:43, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:

Hi,

goli...@dyne.org writes:


On 2018-03-11 00:29, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:

Hi again,
[...]
Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a
colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark
shade of grey that is used now.


Remove the default clock from the panel and install the Orage clock 
from
the repos instead.  It has nice config options that allow for 
foreground
and background color choice.  As far as making that the default option 
.
. . let me talk to Centurion_Dan about that.  It's not really a 
priority

in the grand scheme of things but the suggestion could at least be
included in some release notes for the final release.




I was a little slow to realize something . . . the default Xfce panel 
background color is #EDECEB (off-white) so the darker font color works 
on that.  The problem only arises when the user has chosen a darker 
color for the panel background (which I do). So it will be up to the 
user to sort this out.  I might post something on the forum about this.


Apologies for the confusion.

golinux

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 14:08, Edward Bartolo wrote:

Factum est.

Slim now displays another background instead of the default but it is
still one of golinux's creations. I find the previous simple
backgrounds better suited for a display manager. This one is dark
purple with Devuan's logo across the screen. It is
/usr/share/images/desktop-base/your-way_purpy-narrow-large.png.

Nice and simple, the way I want it.

Thanks to all.



Edward, I'm happy to hear that you've found something that suits you. 
But now I'm wondering what you were previously seeing.


This is the Jessie (purpy) default login screen:
https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_jessie.png

And this is the ASCII (darkpurpy) default login screen.
https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_ascii.png

I have no way of knowing whether you're on Jessie or ASCII but I do know 
that /usr/share/images/desktop-base/your-way_purpy-narrow-large.png is 
from Jessie and 
/usr/share/images/desktop-base/your-way_darkpurpy-narrow-large.png would 
be from ASCII.  Both correspond to the color palette in the screenshots 
posted above. I am confused why you thought these were not "nice and 
simple".  Please help me to understand.  Thank you.


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[DNG] rq: show me your power

[Adam Borowski]

Hi!
If you have a machine with a non-boring power connection (USB, etc)
or an UPS that's recognized by the kernel (rather than just nut), please
ls /sys/class/power_supply/ -- if you see anything other than "ac" or
"battery" there, please send me that data.

grep . /sys/class/power_supply/*/* | mail -s power kilob...@angband.pl
(or send it manually if you have no configured local MTA)

I'm especially interested in sources that can themselves switch between
abundant and stored power, such as UPS.  In that case, it'd be good to get
the data for both mains and battery cases.


 request end, continue reading only if bored 

Because of the recent thread of apt dropping Suggests:powermgmt-base in
favour of systemd's implementation, I looked into getting the former into
shape.  Even in the current neglected shape, it already does a strictly
better job than .service ConditionACPower, but the differences are only for
legacy hardware (Apple Powerbooks -- PMU, ancient i386 -- APM).  What I'm
about to upload adds support for USB (tablets and phones), but it'd be good
to research other sources known to the kernel.

The full list of possible data available through sysfs is:
"Unknown", "Battery", "UPS", "Mains", "USB",
"USB_DCP", "USB_CDP", "USB_ACA", "USB_C",
"USB_PD", "USB_PD_DRP", "BrickID"

As far as I managed to find out, none of USB* returns information about
where its power comes from, but I did not find any "intelligent" battery
connector that identifies this way.  Thus, on tablets, "Battery" means
stored power while USB* means an attached charger.  Yeah, it's possible
that the other end of the USB cable is a disconnected laptop or a power
bank, but in the vast majority of cases charging means abundant power
-- no different from a no-control or nut-only UPS being recognized "ac"
even if it's going from battery.

Alas, hardware I own includes none of such interesting cases: my only UPS
is nut-only, at the moment I have no control access to ones in data centers,
my ARM gear that can be powered via USB lacks the circuitry to tell this to
the kernel (even though the SoC has this functionality -- ie, I have "usb"
listed in sysfs but it always says it's off), etc.


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[DNG] ..anyone tried this "easy nvidia or nouveau display driver switch dual boot" recipe?

[Arnt Karlsen]

Hi,


..has anyone here tried this recipe?: "Create a boot option for easy
nvidia or nouveau display driver switching":
https://www.funtoo.org/Create_a_boot_option_for_easy_nvidia_or_nouveau_display_driver_switching


..can such easy display driver switching, easily be done _without_
rebooting?  I get that X will need to be restarted. :o) 

..or, _can_ we run one nvidia X session _and_ one nouveau X session at
the "same" time?  We usually run 6 consoles and one or 2 X sessions at
the "same" time, and switch between them with [Ctrl][Alt][Fn]
keystrokes, to see one physical screen at the ("same") time. :o)

..this config switcher idea should work with other display etc driver
config combinations too.  


..but can these "easy display dual boot driver" config ideas be
packaged and used as bait to win more dev etc people over to
Devuan? ;o)


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Re: [DNG] antiX distro

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 09:55:41PM +, KatolaZ wrote:

[cut]

> Yes, AntiX is a really interesting project. The thing is that it is
> relatively easy to be systemd-free without supporting any Desktop
> Environment (they have support for a few WMs, but apparently no DE)
> and offering a live system for x86 only. Devuan could have gone that
> way, but decided to remain a universal operating system ;)
> 
> AFAIK AntiX was actually using Devuan's repos for de-systemd-ised
> packages (dunno if they still are), so apparently they managed to find
> us ;)
>

Forgot to say: it's *great* to have as many alternatives around as
possible, and at antiX they seem to have done a good job at that ;)

HND

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Re: [DNG] antiX distro

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:15:42PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 21:21:21 +0100, info wrote in message 
> <36197070-3573-f036-4cf6-a4f3d92ca...@smallinnovations.nl>:
> 
> > Today i noticed that the antiX distro (lightweight linux with minimal 
> > resources) https://antixlinux.com/ is "Based on Debian Stretch, but 
> > without systemd and libsystemd0". Would it be a idea working together 
> > with them?
> > 
> > Grtz.
> > 
> > Nick
> 
> ..absolutely.  Weird we didn't find each other before.  I for one would 
> have gone there had I found them before I did my upgrade to ascii here.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX
> https://antixlinux.com/about/
> http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
> 
> ..only thing is, where's their mail list? ;o)
> 

Yes, AntiX is a really interesting project. The thing is that it is
relatively easy to be systemd-free without supporting any Desktop
Environment (they have support for a few WMs, but apparently no DE)
and offering a live system for x86 only. Devuan could have gone that
way, but decided to remain a universal operating system ;)

AFAIK AntiX was actually using Devuan's repos for de-systemd-ised
packages (dunno if they still are), so apparently they managed to find
us ;)

HND

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Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out

[taii...@gmx.com]

On 03/10/2018 05:49 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote:


On 09/03/2018 at 00:05, taii...@gmx.com ha wrote:

On 03/08/2018 11:34 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote:


    In fact it's just another take of Taiidan against Purism, it's his job.

You fail to mention that there are many people who are constantly promoting
purism, whereas I am the only one who provides constructive criticism.

   You are as constructive on Purism as Trump is constructive on N Korea.

I am not really a fan but he did get them to back down right?
I don't see anyone else providing criticism and I have never encountered 
potential purism customers on mailinglists who knew all the facts - they 
believed purism's lie of "open source firmware" despite hw init being 
performed entirely by Intel FSP.

I have told them that their marketing is dishonest many times, hell they
even agreed with me that it needed to be changed only they never did so.

   I'd like to read this exchange.
It is on the coreboot ML with "yourness alaoui" 
kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net if you want to.
I also suggest examining his efforts to port an open source EC to their 
laptops, although I can't understand why this is somehow a higher 
priority than the hardware initiation itself or the firmware for a DMA 
capable component.

Purism is NOT free hardware and certainly not "grassroots" as their
mysterious founder somehow has a bottomless pit of money to burn on
hardware costs and propaganda campaigns.

[...]


Are these things an illusion?

https://puri.sm/posts/purism-integrates-heads-security-firmware-with-tpm-giving-full-control-and-digital-privacy-to-laptop-users/


https://puri.sm/posts/librem-now-most-secure-laptop-under-full-user-with-tamper-evident-features/


They didn't make heads they simply install it on their laptops.

   Did they write they made heads?  No, they gave credit to all those involved.
My point is that almost every blog post and effort of theirs is fluff, 
porting something someone else made to their laptops rather than 
creating something new such as open source hardware initiation - while I 
think wasting time and money to free intel hardware is ridiculous that 
is at least an attainable goal rather than the impossible and illegal 
goal of freeing ME - as it is a "security"/DRM device they would simply 
patch the exploit in the next release that is if they didn't simply send 
purism a C as bypassing intel's DRM is illegal in america and ME has 
PAVP intel insider etc.

Again my issue is that they claim to have "open source firmware" and a
"disabled" ME when they actually don't.

   The firmware they use is Coreboot, so the firmware they use is as free as
Coreboot is.
Yes but you can't claim open source firmware when all the hardware 
initiation is done via black box binary blobs.

  ME they state (https://puri.sm/learn/intel-me/) is
"neutralized *and* disabled" and provide with this pointers as proof:

https://puri.sm/posts/neutralizing-intel-management-engine-on-librem-laptops/

https://puri.sm/posts/todds-librem-13-with-coreboot-and-a-neutralized-me/

   They claim they removed "over 90% of the Intel ME", "leaving only the very
small section (120k) to initialize and configure the hardware."
How is that disabled? code still runs and the ME kernel is free to 
perform any dirty tricks it wants such as an SMM rootkit.


The standard of disabled has now been reduced, on the X200 etc laptops 
it was no ME ROM and thus the ME CPU stays off in the first place - now 
"disabled" means that it runs but it supposedly shuts off and promises 
not to do anything bad?

   In detail, these are the removed partitions and what is still in place:

The remains

A question remains, however: “What exactly did we remove, and what
remains?” So I tried to dig into that as well.

## Original ME modules :
total 1.6M
8.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 8.0K Feb 28 17:08 AFWS-20687000.mod
12K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 12K Feb 28 17:08 BOP-20392000.mod
116K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 116K Feb 28 17:08 BUP-200d4000.mod
16K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 16K Feb 28 17:08 CLS-206e.mod
4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:08 ClsPriv-20716000.mod
12K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 12K Feb 28 17:08 FPF-206b3000.mod
132K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 140K Feb 28 17:08 FTPM-20777000.mod
60K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 60K Feb 28 17:08 HOSTCOMM-20396000.mod
24K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 24K Feb 28 17:08 HOTHAM-2032b000.mod
16K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 16K Feb 28 17:08 ICC-203ad000.mod
272K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 272K Feb 28 17:08 JOM-208c2000.mod
344K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 344K Feb 28 17:08 KERNEL-200f8000.mod
28K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 28K Feb 28 17:08 MCTP-20379000.mod
28K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 28K Feb 28 17:08 ME_TUNNEL-203b4000.mod
52K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 52K Feb 28 17:08 NET_STACK-20383000.mod
20K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 20K Feb 28 17:08 NFC-208bb000.mod
196K 

Re: [DNG] antiX distro

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 21:21:21 +0100, info wrote in message 
<36197070-3573-f036-4cf6-a4f3d92ca...@smallinnovations.nl>:

> Today i noticed that the antiX distro (lightweight linux with minimal 
> resources) https://antixlinux.com/ is "Based on Debian Stretch, but 
> without systemd and libsystemd0". Would it be a idea working together 
> with them?
> 
> Grtz.
> 
> Nick

..absolutely.  Weird we didn't find each other before.  I for one would 
have gone there had I found them before I did my upgrade to ascii here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX
https://antixlinux.com/about/
http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

..only thing is, where's their mail list? ;o)

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 14:54, Steve Litt wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:16:25 -0500
goli...@dyne.org wrote:


On 2018-03-11 06:08, Didier Kryn wrote:
> For me, the dark-purpy is just another variation of grey and
> I'm fed up with grey cars, grey clothing, grey everything, and,
> grey life.
>

Sorry to hear you're seeing it as grey.  Darkpurpy is quite subtle.
Either it's a monitor calibration missing or lack of visual acuity.
Men are often "color-challenged".


That being said, a color scheme and fonts should never interfere with
quick visual recognition of clocks, menus, text, icons and the like.



This is true.  I have no idea if it is possible to change the font color 
in the source of the xfce4-datetime-plugin but will investigate.  If it 
is, it would require recompiling so more work for someone else as that 
is so not my thing. Not a high priority on the list . . .




I haven't yet had a visibility problem with Purpy, so I'm just making
this as a generic comment on principle.


SteveT



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Re: [DNG] antiX distro

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 15:21, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:

Today i noticed that the antiX distro (lightweight linux with minimal
resources) https://antixlinux.com/ is "Based on Debian Stretch, but
without systemd and libsystemd0". Would it be a idea working together
with them?

Grtz.

Nick



You might find this discussion (which started out with the latest MX 
Linux release) interesting.  Do read to the end to answer your question:


http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=663818#p663818

Note that anticapitalista frequented the old refracta forum regularly 
And over the years I have spent time on the MX and antix forums also.


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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Chillfan]

Seems to me you're using this as an opportunity to rail on someone. This isn't 
helpful or constructive.

Thanks,

chillfan

> still one of golinux's creations.
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[DNG] Wicd + dhclient no longer sends the correct host name and doesn't request search domains anymore in ascii.

[Daniel Abrecht]

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I don't have time to do something about this at the moment, so I'll
just inform everyone here about this problem and add the debian
maintainers to the CC of this mail, so whomever has time or needs to
know about this at least knows about this issue.

In devuan/debian jessie, wicd does send the hostname and requests the
search domains in the DHCP reply, but in ascii/stretch, it no longer
does so. I believe it uses dhclient with a different dhclient.conf
than before, but I don't know what exactly changed. There is an option
to set the hostname in wicd, but using it doesn't have any effect and
it's off by default.

The hostname option is often used by dhcp servers to notify the local
dns resolver about new clients, which makes it possible to use their
hostname instead of their IP to access them. I think the default
should be for the hostname to be sent, because it used to be that way,
it may break existing setups and cause a lot of troubleshooting
otherwise, and I don't think not having it helps with anything.

The domain search option is important to get all search domains. A lot
of networks, mine too, are split into different parts. One for lan and
one for dmz for example. In that case, it's quiet common to have both
in the search domain list. My search domains are "dmz.abrecht.li
lan.abrecht.li". This way, I can access both, local clients and my
servers using just the hostname and don't have to write out the whole
domain. There are some other use cases too. I've only ever seen
Windows machines not requesting search domains before, but I alway
took for granted that they work everywhere else. They work by default
on iOS, Android, Mac, and usually Linux, except if using wicd+dhclient
in ascii/stretch. Not requesting the option also won't add any
security benefits, because in that case the domain name is used as
search domain. But that's insufficient for multiple domains.

I'm still on wicd version 1.7.4+tb2-4, which is the same in debian and
devuan, and not on the devuan version from backports, but that
shouldn't make a difference since these versions only differ in some
dependencies and nothing else.


I've used "tcpdump -vvv port 68 or port 67" on my dhcp server to
capture the DHCP requests. Here is one when using wicd:

tcpdump: listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size
262144 bytes
18:46:58.202250 IP (tos 0x10, ttl 128, id 0, offset 0, flags [none],
proto UDP (17), length 328)
0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: [udp sum ok] BOOTP/DHCP,
Request from 60:36:dd:26:4a:bc (oui Unknown), length 300, xid
0x9160d35, Flags [none] (0x)
  Client-Ethernet-Address 60:36:dd:26:4a:bc (oui Unknown)
  Vendor-rfc1048 Extensions
Magic Cookie 0x63825363
DHCP-Message Option 53, length 1: Discover
Requested-IP Option 50, length 4: 10.60.10.188
Hostname Option 12, length 10: "$_HOSTNAME"
Parameter-Request Option 55, length 7:
  Subnet-Mask, BR, Time-Zone, Default-Gateway
  Domain-Name, Domain-Name-Server, Hostname
END Option 255, length 0
PAD Option 0, length 0, occurs 29
18:46:58.202649 IP (tos 0xc0, ttl 64, id 8355, offset 0, flags [none],
proto UDP (17), length 336)
dog.bootps > 10.60.10.188.bootpc: [udp sum ok] BOOTP/DHCP, Reply,
length 308, xid 0x9160d35, Flags [none] (0x)
  Your-IP 10.60.10.188
  Server-IP dog
  Client-Ethernet-Address 60:36:dd:26:4a:bc (oui Unknown)
  file "legacy/pxeboot.0"[|bootp]
18:46:58.206962 IP (tos 0x10, ttl 128, id 0, offset 0, flags [none],
proto UDP (17), length 328)
0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: [udp sum ok] BOOTP/DHCP,
Request from 60:36:dd:26:4a:bc (oui Unknown), length 300, xid
0x9160d35, Flags [none] (0x)
  Client-Ethernet-Address 60:36:dd:26:4a:bc (oui Unknown)
  Vendor-rfc1048 Extensions
Magic Cookie 0x63825363
DHCP-Message Option 53, length 1: Request
Server-ID Option 54, length 4: dog
Requested-IP Option 50, length 4: 10.60.10.188
Hostname Option 12, length 10: "$_HOSTNAME"
Parameter-Request Option 55, length 7:
  Subnet-Mask, BR, Time-Zone, Default-Gateway
  Domain-Name, Domain-Name-Server, Hostname
END Option 255, length 0
PAD Option 0, length 0, occurs 23
18:46:58.269305 IP (tos 0xc0, ttl 64, id 8357, offset 0, flags [none],
proto UDP (17), length 336)
dog.bootps > 10.60.10.188.bootpc: [udp sum ok] BOOTP/DHCP, Reply,
length 308, xid 0x9160d35, Flags [none] (0x)
  Your-IP 10.60.10.188
  Server-IP dog
  Client-Ethernet-Address 60:36:dd:26:4a:bc (oui Unknown)
  file "legacy/pxeboot.0"[|bootp]


Here we see that "$_HOSTNAME" was sent as hostname, instead of the
real hostname. I think this is clearly a bug. Also Option 119 wasn't
requested, which is the 

[DNG] antiX distro

[info at smallinnovations dot nl]

Today i noticed that the antiX distro (lightweight linux with minimal 
resources) https://antixlinux.com/ is "Based on Debian Stretch, but 
without systemd and libsystemd0". Would it be a idea working together 
with them?


Grtz.

Nick

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Re: [DNG] Beaglebone black

[Chillfan]

I'll take a look at filing those in the bugtracker.

I've also noticed some issues with vmdebootstrap and debootstrap that makes it 
difficult to build images for these boards (and presumably others).

The --package option that allows adding additional packages does not work. I 
think the debootstrap --include= option may be broken since vmdebootstrap is a 
wrapper to that. Meaning images can't be built properly this way because they 
will lack a kernel image, which is usually included with --package 
linux-image-armmp. 

The only way to build images this way at the moment is to modify the 
debootstrap script.

Assuming you know how to do that you can only build images when using the 
version of vmdebootstrap in Jessie. Trying this with the ascii version fails 
because vmdebootstrap expects systemd to be available for network configuration.

Thanks,

chillfan

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On March 11, 2018 6:58 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 02:36:06PM -0400, Chillfan wrote:
> 
> > I think the best way would be to see: https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/ 
> > and open an issue about it there.
> > 
> > I'm also opening a couple of issues about the beaglebone black there having 
> > noticed some problems.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> 
> Please try to use the BTS atbugs.devuan.org (as well?). It's easier
> 
> to keep track of all the bugs relevant to a release if they are in the
> 
> BTS.
> 
> I am having a new go at reportbug, to solve some long-standing
> 
> issues. I hope to have a new package in ascii-proposed and in
> 
> jessie-updates soon.
> 
> My2Cents
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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:16:25 -0500
goli...@dyne.org wrote:

> On 2018-03-11 06:08, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > For me, the dark-purpy is just another variation of grey and
> > I'm fed up with grey cars, grey clothing, grey everything, and,
> > grey life.
> >   
> 
> Sorry to hear you're seeing it as grey.  Darkpurpy is quite subtle.  
> Either it's a monitor calibration missing or lack of visual acuity.
> Men are often "color-challenged".

That being said, a color scheme and fonts should never interfere with
quick visual recognition of clocks, menus, text, icons and the like.

I haven't yet had a visibility problem with Purpy, so I'm just making
this as a generic comment on principle.


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[DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Edward Bartolo]

Factum est.

Slim now displays another background instead of the default but it is
still one of golinux's creations. I find the previous simple
backgrounds better suited for a display manager. This one is dark
purple with Devuan's logo across the screen. It is
/usr/share/images/desktop-base/your-way_purpy-narrow-large.png.

Nice and simple, the way I want it.

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Re: [DNG] Beaglebone black

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 02:36:06PM -0400, Chillfan wrote:
> I think the best way would be to see: https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/ and 
> open an issue about it there.
> 
> I'm also opening a couple of issues about the beaglebone black there having 
> noticed some problems.
> 
> ​Thanks,
> 


Please try to use the BTS at bugs.devuan.org (as well?). It's easier
to keep track of all the bugs relevant to a release if they are in the
BTS.

I am having a new go at reportbug, to solve some long-standing
issues. I hope to have a new package in ascii-proposed and in
jessie-updates soon. 

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Beaglebone black

[Chillfan]

I think the best way would be to see: https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/ and 
open an issue about it there.

I'm also opening a couple of issues about the beaglebone black there having 
noticed some problems.

​Thanks,

chillfan

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On March 10, 2018 11:43 AM,  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I hope there are others here who are interested in
> 
> having devuan on Beaglebone black (BBB).
> 
> I'm testing devuan\_ascii\_2.0.0-beta\_armhf\_beagleboneblack.img.xz
> 
> in https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/embedded/ and having some
> 
> problems, I cannot get hdmi to work. Booting with the factory provided
> 
> debian from onboard flash shows that it isn't a hardware problem.
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Other things I encountered was that the kernel modules was compressed
> 
> and modutils didn't have support for that, so I ended up uncompressing
> 
> every module.
> 
> Also adding g_cdc to /etc/modules and appending
> 
> T1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyGS0 115200 xtem
> 
> to /etc/inittab, made the usb serial port available for incoming calls
> 
> (host system loads cdc_acm and I can use "cu" to connect to
> 
> BBB's usb client port).
> 
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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 06:08, Didier Kryn wrote:

For me, the dark-purpy is just another variation of grey and
I'm fed up with grey cars, grey clothing, grey everything, and, grey 
life.




Sorry to hear you're seeing it as grey.  Darkpurpy is quite subtle.  
Either it's a monitor calibration missing or lack of visual acuity. Men 
are often "color-challenged".




    Golinux, please don't take it personnally.



Of course not.  Everyone has different tastes and perceptions. This is 
life.




I value a lot what you
are doing and the way you express yourself in this forum, always
gentle and professional. This is true for all the team.



It is a privilege to be able to contribute to Devuan in a small way and 
to collaborate with such exceptional human beings.


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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 07:51, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:


If something like I suggested does get in, it may be one more reason to
choose Devuan because it allows you to opt out of its default theme ;-)

As I have said before . . . there is already a way to accomplish that.  
Do a custom install, don't install desktop-base and you will get the 
default look for each application.  Usually we are advising users how to 
get the default look!  LOL!


As to multiple theming . . . there are already enough pitfalls with the 
installer - the mother of all hairballs!  Devuan doesn't need to nanny 
it's users with multiple themes. Besides . . . most everyone changes the 
look immediately after install anyway so what's the point?


This comment on distrowatch from 2-18 tells me that we're on the right 
track with darkpurpy:


"Default Devuan theme appears to have changed slightly to a darker purpy 
color, easy on the eyes and probably not going to change it."


golinux




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Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

[Chillfan]

IMHO..

Since it's a niche area, the cost of freedom on PC hardware is just too high.

I think low cost SBC's which have less issues ought to get more attention than 
they do. Some of these boards can already run on only free software and in some 
cases users will only miss out on 3d graphics acceleration. Which is to say I 
think this should be mentioned more, and instruction given on how to go about 
excluding the blobs.

If after some time it turns out software fixes are good enough for 
spectre/meltdown on their own without hardware fixes, then libreboot would be a 
good choice. Otherwise a middle of the ground stop-gap would be coreboot with 
microcode updates (provided the cost isn't excessive).

On PureOS, I spoke a little soon about it using systemd. It's Debian based, so 
it might well be but I haven't checked this.

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Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 06:33:59PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> Am 11. März 2018 13:43:40 MEZ schrieb Olaf Meeuwissen 
> :
> 
> > # Guess I should tell emacs to display the time in its mode line ;-)
> 
> from my snippets collection:
> 
> # while sleep 1 ; do tput sc ; tput cup 0 195 ; date ; tput rc ; done & 
> 
> hth^^ & libre grüße,
> 

Since we are at it, this is what I had in one of the scripts called
under xmonad:

  while true ; do date +%d/%m/%Y-%H:%M:%S | dzen2 -x 0 -y 0 -p 1 -tw 200; done

:P

HTH

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Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 09:43:40PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:

[cut]

> 
> I do my agenda and task scheduling with Org-mode so have no real need
> for Orage.  The only reason I still have it installed is because I've
> been too lazy to get serious about APT::Install-Recommends=false and
> ditch the task-xfce-desktop and xfce4 meta-packages :-P
>

Man, if you are using org-mode, why on Earth do you need to leave your
eyes from emacs just to look at the clock?!?!? o_O

:D

> # Guess I should tell emacs to display the time in its mode line ;-)
>

E...you mean you don't have it enabled? o_O


(setq display-time-day-and-date t
  display-time-24hr-format nil)
(setq display-time-default-load-average nil)
(display-time)


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Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)

[Florian Zieboll]

Am 11. März 2018 13:43:40 MEZ schrieb Olaf Meeuwissen 
:

> # Guess I should tell emacs to display the time in its mode line ;-)

from my snippets collection:

# while sleep 1 ; do tput sc ; tput cup 0 195 ; date ; tput rc ; done & 

hth^^ & libre grüße,

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Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 07:43, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:

Hi,

goli...@dyne.org writes:


On 2018-03-11 00:29, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:

Hi again,
[...]
Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a
colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark
shade of grey that is used now.


Remove the default clock from the panel and install the Orage clock 
from
the repos instead.  It has nice config options that allow for 
foreground
and background color choice.  As far as making that the default option 
.
. . let me talk to Centurion_Dan about that.  It's not really a 
priority

in the grand scheme of things but the suggestion could at least be
included in some release notes for the final release.


All I want/need is the time to display in the system tray so I don't
have to go find a wall clock. Why would I need a full-blown calendar
application to do so?



I never realized that Orage is a "full-blown" calendar app because I 
have no need for one. I can live with a bit of useless bloat to solve a 
cosmetic problem but the choice is of course yours. That's what it's is 
all about . . . "Software freedom your way".  Everyone has different 
preferences and ways to solve them. Diversity is a good thing.  :)


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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 01:35, KatolaZ wrote:


Oh this does not mean that we don't need help with that: quite the
opposite! So any volunteer is really to welcome to help, not just with
WMaker, but also with any of the other window managers around.

My2Cents

KatolaZ




I am always available to help with color selection for theming other DEs 
as I have done in the past. Some of the theming can likely be done 
through desktop-base (which is a bit of a hairball that fsmithred has 
taken on).  Remember, I just play with the crayons.  ;)


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[DNG] WindowMaker: was Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 08:25:18 +0100
Jaromil  wrote:

> OT: after so many years I reverted to use wmaker as my wm (and it
> makes me happy!) noticing it has no Devuan themeing. In this as in
> other window managers this is a task open for volunteers willing to
> help. Anyone interested is very welcome!

Hi Jaromil,

For fifteen years I've tried, over and over again, to make sense of
WindowMaker. Some folks whose opinions I greatly respect love
Windowmaker. And Windowmaker is low-resource: About as low as Openbox,
according to https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png .

But I can't make Windowmaker efficient for my workflow and work habits.
I've tried and tried. 

Jaromil, you'd be doing the world a great service if you wrote a
document explaining the mindset one must adopt to make Windowmaker work
for them? How does one best use the paper clip and the Ubuntu Unity
like icons that line up at the screen's edges? How to best handle
window sizing? How to best deal with menus? How to configure your
Windowmaker for best workflow efficiency?

If you do this, I'll be glad to write the part on how to incorporate
Suckless Tools' dmenu into Windowmaker.

Thanks,
 
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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

Hi Jochen,

J. Fahrner writes:

> Am 2018-03-11 02:09, schrieb Olaf Meeuwissen:
>> The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on
>> clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided
>> or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the
>> system-wide default more easily.
>
> I do not know a distribution that offers a selection of themes during
> the installation. Why should Devuan put work here? If you do not like
> the theme, you can customize it yourself or choose a different
> distribution.

Hey, I said I like the theme!  Cut me some slack ;-)

I just tried to point out why things happen the way they do and suggest
how that could be improved.  If someone want to do the legwork and feed
that back to Devuan, fine.  If not, you won't hear me complain.

If something like I suggested does get in, it may be one more reason to
choose Devuan because it allows you to opt out of its default theme ;-)

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[DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

Hi,

goli...@dyne.org writes:

> On 2018-03-11 00:29, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
>> Hi again,
>> [...]
>> Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a
>> colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark
>> shade of grey that is used now.
>
> Remove the default clock from the panel and install the Orage clock from
> the repos instead.  It has nice config options that allow for foreground
> and background color choice.  As far as making that the default option .
> . . let me talk to Centurion_Dan about that.  It's not really a priority
> in the grand scheme of things but the suggestion could at least be
> included in some release notes for the final release.

All I want/need is the time to display in the system tray so I don't
have to go find a wall clock.  Why would I need a full-blown calendar
application to do so?

# That's a rhetorical question, btw.

I do my agenda and task scheduling with Org-mode so have no real need
for Orage.  The only reason I still have it installed is because I've
been too lazy to get serious about APT::Install-Recommends=false and
ditch the task-xfce-desktop and xfce4 meta-packages :-P

# Guess I should tell emacs to display the time in its mode line ;-)

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Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

[Jaromil]

thanks Martin for sharing your experience! your liberating "rant"
comes with some useful insights and a good call I also share

FWIW, what we do at Dyne (thanks to Parazyd who is leading this
activity) is use x220 and x230 refurbished models we buy from another
non-profit foundation in the Netherlands, the price is below 200EUR
each. We then flash them with coreboot ourselves with a bus-pirate
device we bought from Poland. So let's say also shipping is more
sustainable :^)

after that, we experiment a bit, also thanks to the BIOS whitelisting
removal after corebooting. Parazyd has the FHD MOD by Nitrocaster
which he used to convert his laptop to a gorgeous full HD screen,
something I'm going to try myself. I am very upset about broadcoom or
intel wifi cards so my first move is to slap an Atheros in there.  Not
counting the time invested for these mods (which sincerely is FUN time
for us) the overall cost of such devices is below 400EUR and we
fulfill also one core mission of Dyne.org foundation: to respect the
environment and recycle whenever possible rather than consume new HW.
Plus we end up having a lot of spare parts for friends who do the same
and for ourselves when something breaks. I think we'll keep this way,
hoping folks at Lenovo don't keep ruining the x2 models as they are
doing from the x230 onwards

> Another option would be to look in ARM space, or try to free up a used Google 
> Pixel notebook that already has Coreboot.

yes. and we have Devuan images ready to run on many chromebooks already...

only problem is the hardware is not ideal on those: no way to change
SSDs, RAM etc.  not enough modularity, what makes great the thinkpad
x2 series

> So regarding Puri.sm, Fairphone and others… I vote for the benefit
> of doubt.  Do they provide perfectly free and fair solutions yet? No
> way. Will they succeed doing so? Certainly not if people do not buy
> their stuff.

I agree with this. I know personally people at Fairphone here in
Amsterdam and they are sincerely good willing and passionate about
their mission. They are definitely doing their best, which is not
enough, but is something. I'm also aware of less mainstream
initiatives that have achieved even more, with less. All these
initiatives can be improved and I believe would benefit much more from
less competition and a more cooperative approach. But inevitably when
they are lead by marketing-minded people, this doesn't happens.

> A Devuan for hardware… just for hardware the necessary investment is
> that much higher. It is challenging and it has a high risk
> associated with it. So kudos for any players in the market that have
> the courage to tackle the challenge to facilitate change. Even when
> it is in small steps.

Totally agree. I hope many more people to many more small steps.

like the EOMA68 for instance, which ships with Devuan pre-installed,
perhaps worth mentioning here, and has a very modular open-hw approach

https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop


as for the "petition" for better hardware, I hope the FSF invests much
more energy into https://h-node.org which is an initiative with
enormous potential if campaigned succesfully into the consumer market,
to make people aware of what can be supported by GNU/Linux and
customised and efficiently recycled and what not. So far it seems
stalled and pretty much a niche initiative to me.


ciao
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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Didier Kryn]

Le 10/03/2018 à 21:07, Edward Bartolo a écrit :

A hint that would not break any package would have been appreciated.
It seems my only route of salvation is to fork desktop-base to get the
wallpapers I want.

Please, do not reply to this thread to add more to the previous polemic.


    Sorry, Edward but I reply.

    Debian has been - and Devuan is - a distro for the DIY people, not 
for the dummy. Therefore don't expect to get everything ready-made to 
their own personnal taste. There is slim.config that you can edit, and 
the default slim theme is available with the distro. Therefore just 
select default instead of dark-purpy. That's what I've done. The default 
is absolutely great to my taste. For me, the dark-purpy is just another 
variation of grey and I'm fed up with grey cars, grey clothing, grey 
everything, and, grey life.


    Golinux, please don't take it personnally. I value a lot what you 
are doing and the way you express yourself in this forum, always gentle 
and professional. This is true for all the team.


    For what regards the theme, it's just a matter of taste and it can 
be changed easily - at least we can choose between two.


    Didier


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[DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

[Martin Steigerwald]

Dear Jaromil.

Jaromil - 11.03.18, 09:10:
> 3- They produce new hardware instead of recycling existing one,
>something I do not like for many enviromental reasons.

Rant ahead, but hopefully still a somewhat constructive one:

I am actually thinking along this line and instead of ordering a new laptop 
via the company I work for, actually buying a used one myself.

However, when it comes to free hardware I have basically lost in case I buy 
anything later than a ThinkPad T530. Cause since then there is the Intel Boot 
Guard crap and it appears to me that all laptop manufacturers have set it. If 
you flip this irreversible bit then no one with an other private key than the 
one you put the corresponding public key into the machine can create a 
firmware signed in a way that the machine would accept it. Or maybe ThinkPad 
T520, as I am not totally sure that a T530 can still be freed (probably 
different Intel ME version).

As far as I read this is the ultimate lock in. Combine that with Intel 
Management Engine crap and honestly:

I do see the point of Purism using *new* hardware. Cause they could not just 
free any sensibly recent used hardware at all.

There are vendors that offer used hardware with Coreboot and without Intel ME, 
but these are ThinkPad X200, T400 for – if you ask me – ridiculous prices. 
Prices that probably can be explained by the amount of work needed to free 
these devices, although I´d believe that it should be possible to streamline 
the process somewhat. But high prices may very likely mean less purchases and 
less purchases mean less potential to streamline the process.

So… its either nothing later than T530 or probably T520, with at least 
partially disabled Intel ME… or an used laptop with all the proprietary vendor 
lock in crap built in. There is just crap out there. Pure and utter crap. Crap 
by design, not by accident. Crap by design. And then add the current Meltdown/
Spectre CPU crap on top. Its crap, crap, crap.

And its about time that Intel, AMD, and hardware vendors like Lenovo, HP and 
others get a wake-up call along the sense: Stop selling us crap!

I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to 
give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware design.

I may still go with an used laptop as my next one, or just keep using this 
ThinkPad T520 with Intel ME switched off in BIOS (whatever that is worth). I 
thought about trying to disable Intel ME and install Coreboot or let someone 
do it, but this is a laptop from my employer, so I won´t touch it in this way. 
But I may go with an used laptop despite all those restrictions cause I am 
simply not willing to support this "we put proprietary crap into our systems 
to lock you in good and tight" crap anymore. I may just be one user… but I am 
not willing to support with policy anymore by triggering a new sale.

Another option would be to look in ARM space, or try to free up a used Google 
Pixel notebook that already has Coreboot.

Really, it might be time for a petition to vendors. A petition that clearly 
states "I don´t buy your crap". If enough people would sign it, that might be 
a signal to vendors to change their policies. A "Stop the crap!" campaign.

So in that sense, I think anyone buying from Purism is contributing to a 
change. Cause they pay Purism instead of Lenovo, HP or other vendors selling 
unchangeable proprietary crap. It is at least a step into the right direction.

For that reason I also ordered a Fairphone 2 as a replacement for the 
Fairphone 1 (with insecure Android 4.2 I am currently using) via my employer. 
It is new hardware… but the company behind it at least steps into the right 
direction. Hoping that this time Fairphone will get upgrades and spare parts 
right and… really be able to fulfill on the promise to provide a long lasting 
phone. I did not really plan to replace the Fairphone 1 that soon, but in its 
current state its a mobile security risk. Fairphone actually failed their 
Fairphone 1 users. Big time. But at least they appear to be willing to learn 
and willing to promote change. That is more than the majority of other 
companies.

So regarding Puri.sm, Fairphone and others… I vote for the benefit of doubt. 
Do they provide perfectly free and fair solutions yet? No way. Will they 
succeed doing so? Certainly not if people do not buy their stuff.

I am in for doing what I can to facilitate change. Buying used stuff would 
already be better for environmental reasons and it can be at least a kind of 
boycott. Buying new stuff from vendors that aim at facilitating change IMHO is 
also important. So if people choose to support vendors like Puri.sm, Talos, 
Linux PowerPC laptop, Fairphone and Nager IT (for their more fairly produced 
computer mouses, I do have one here, its working fine), by all means, I´d say 
go for it.

For me their notebooks are not an option for two reasons: AFAIK they use TN 
over IPS displays and do not 

Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out

[Jaromil]

dear Alessandro,

On Thu, 08 Mar 2018, Alessandro Selli wrote:

> On 08/03/2018 at 13:28, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 08/03/18 10:05, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> >> In exchange for money they are now advertising and endorsing a maker of
> >> fake libre hardware by letting them have a booth at libreplanet an
> >> endorsing their debian copy "PureOS"
> >>
> >> https://libreplanet.org/2018/sponsors
> >
> > Really? I am pretty positive about Purism right now, I'm not sure the
> > criticisms are valid.
> 
>   In fact it's just another take of Taiidan against Purism, it's his job.

many thanks for completing the information on this thread and bringing
some more facts to light.

I had somehow an observer role in the process of Purism going through
through the libre-linux process and being approved by the FSF and must
admit I have never been a fan of it because of three main reasons:

1- From a philosopher standing point, their name is horrible.
   "Purity" is a horrible, terrible abstraction.

2- They made their way in as aggressively as Taiidan now is attacking
   them.

3- They produce new hardware instead of recycling existing one,
   something I do not like for many enviromental reasons.

But considering all the above is pretty much subjective to my opinion,
if a peer review process is in place involing many GNUs I will trust
it and set apart my "beliefs". The fact that Purism passed the review
perhaps says something about the "religious" nature of FSF :^) but I
can tell from backlogs it wasn't short of attention to details and
criticism they have faced.

I recommend Taiidan does his/her best different endeavours and also
applies to the libre-linux review to be featured by the FSF, as well
applies to the H-Node registry of hardware perhaps in some way.

I also recommend the FSF sometimes soon improves its own team by
including more interdisciplinarity, since there are many issues at
stake connected with technology and in this particular case an
anthropologist or ethnographer approach would have been that of
mapping the field and documenting it before endorsing the bozo who
insists louder for visibility.

ciao

p.s. does Purism laptops come with systemd? 


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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 08:53:11AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, KatolaZ wrote:
> 
> > Well, the theme is actually half-there, mainly thanks to msiism. We
> > just have to finish it up and rebuild the package ;)
> 
> true. on ascii we have quite some new entries in the team :^) msiism,
> irrwahn, amesser and others have given great help on desktop issues
> and documentation and general understanding of issues and last not
> least we have understood how to fix the loginkitd mess.
> 
> your call to remember the early dire days of exodus is timely, as the
> hungry gap is approaching we shall fast at least one day by running
> only your devuan minimal-live :^D
> 

Well, since you speak of fasting, I think it's time to post a link to
a page I put together almost one year ago:

  http://kalos.mine.nu/histlinux/

You find there a full-featured qemu image of Debian 0.91beta, the
first available Debian release from 1994, obtained from the original
installation floppy images and ftp archives. Be careful: dpkg is not
exactly what you might expect :P

In comparison, Devuan minimal-live is a Christmas dinner ;)

HND

KatolaZ

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