Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
If you like that sort of thing.. http://exegnulinux.net/ Is a Devuan based distro using Trinity DE out of the box. So I think that would be your go to easy option for that. Looks updated as of December just gone. Other than that you can use KDE or MATE on Devuan ascii beta, if you're looking for something bigger. Depends on your requirements. Thanks, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On April 10, 2018 6:24 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this > > project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock! > > I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm > > leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and > > computing too. > > I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity, based on Ubuntu with > > No-Systemd, or better yet something similar to Devuan where you can do a > > base install and add TDE-Trinity, anybody working on this? I'm willing > > to test .iso's. > > Cheers, > > > -- > > Jimmy Johnson > > Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 > > Registered Linux User #380263 > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 2018-04-10 01:45, spiralofhope wrote: Unless there's a packager behind the scenes working on it (fingers crossed for you), Devuan itself doesn't have it packaged, so it's unsurprising that (at a glance) no distribution based on Devuan features Trinity. Not quite true. There is a Devuan derivative that uses TDE. It was one of the first! https://sourceforge.net/projects/exegnulinux/ And yes, TDE won't get into the Devuan repos unless someone steps up to package AND maintain it from release to release. That being said, there are several Devuan users who have TDE installed from other sources. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
jaromil . . . I'm pretty sure that Timothy Pearson is the one doing TDE. Some threads here: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201712::d:t There was discussion last year about adding TDE but it never went anywhere. On 2018-04-10 01:38, Jaromil wrote: hey Jimmy, On Mon, 09 Apr 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock! ehrm, who is Timothy? I am not sure what project are you talking about. this is Devuan. we can surely use a hand but never saw Timothy I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity do you know about this? https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions however this is the wrong place to ask about Ubuntu. In the eyes of many that is a distro that managed to bloat Debian even more than it is bloated already. we are a bit like at the opposite end of the spectrum if you like. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
I had never heard of Trinity until now, and I've done a bit of searching through distributions without systemd: https://blog.spiralofhope.com/tag/linux-distributions-which-do-not-use-systemd It might still be available for one of them, but I suspect that when I looked, it wasn't the main desktop environment for any of them. Unless there's a packager behind the scenes working on it (fingers crossed for you), Devuan itself doesn't have it packaged, so it's unsurprising that (at a glance) no distribution based on Devuan features Trinity. I was still curious.. I tried to find the developers' reasoning in building it, as philosophies are a fascinating read for me. I had no luck. It appears to be a continuation that matured into its own desktop environment. May I ask your reasoning for wanting Trinity? [ I wonder if you can be convinced of another environment (or none at all) enough to migrate and use Devuan. ] On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:24:23 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
hey Jimmy, On Mon, 09 Apr 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start > this project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock! ehrm, who is Timothy? I am not sure what project are you talking about. this is Devuan. we can surely use a hand but never saw Timothy > I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity do you know about this? https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions however this is the wrong place to ask about Ubuntu. In the eyes of many that is a distro that managed to bloat Debian even more than it is bloated already. we are a bit like at the opposite end of the spectrum if you like. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:24:23 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message <33140363-b094-a601-c3ce-2f834a6ef...@gmail.com>: > Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start > this project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock! > > I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm > leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and > computing too. > > I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity, based on Ubuntu > with No-Systemd, or better yet something similar to Devuan where you > can do a base install and add TDE-Trinity, anybody working on this? ..I have tried TDE-Trinity on Devuan Jessie, but found it flakier than KDE and Plasma. I simply added TDE-Trinity's builddep-r14.0.0 and trinity-14.0.0 debian deb 'n deb-src lines to my /etc/apt/sources.list. Once you comment those lines out, TDE-Trinity becomes "obsolete" and are easily purged. > I'm willing to test .iso's. > > Cheers, -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Crash when using recent avconv (libav-tools)
Whoa, I had thought libav was a drop-in replacement for a deprecated ffmmpeg! I'll follow that lead, thanks a lot. On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 06:48:00 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Am 2018-04-10 04:25, schrieb spiralofhope: > > Problem: > > avconv crashes while building a video from an image and audio. It > > worked until a recent update. > > Debian switched back to ffmpeg. Try using that. > https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/libav-provider/ffmpeg > > Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock! I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and computing too. I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity, based on Ubuntu with No-Systemd, or better yet something similar to Devuan where you can do a base install and add TDE-Trinity, anybody working on this? I'm willing to test .iso's. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Crash when using recent avconv (libav-tools)
Am 2018-04-10 04:25, schrieb spiralofhope: Problem: avconv crashes while building a video from an image and audio. It worked until a recent update. Debian switched back to ffmpeg. Try using that. https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/libav-provider/ffmpeg Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Crash when using recent avconv (libav-tools)
Problem: avconv crashes while building a video from an image and audio. It worked until a recent update. (I'll also hang out on IRC in case people need me live.) I am using Devuan-1.0.0-jessie-i386-DVD According to `apt-cache show libav-tools` I have 6:11.12-1~deb8u1 I am trying to do a command like: \rm --force output.mp4 \avconv \ -loop 1 \ -i "image.jpg" \ -i "audio.ogg" \ -shortest \ -acodec copy \ -c:v:1 libx264 \ -profile:v high \ -r 1 \ output.mp4 When running the above and appending `2> foo.txt` I get: https://pastebin.com/5Q9qqCMb - The error seems to happen at different times under the same conditions, though I have not done specific testing to confirm this. - I have tried variations of the above command, with no luck. - I have tried different audio and images, with no luck. I have tried to downgrade: apt-cache showpkg libav-tools I see: 6:11.11-1~deb8u1 .. I didn't take very good notes at this point, but I think I did something like: apt-get install libav-tools-6:11.11-1~deb8u1 apt-mark hold libav-tools I have tried fetching the dependency chain from an old version of Debian, but that was a nightmare that ultimately didn't work out. I have.. tried installing Debian-proper, but good god damn its disk access is busted. A bad scheduler? Well it serves me right. According to old notes, this version worked: 6:11.9-1~deb8u1 .. however, I do not know if a more recent version worked before I noticed this problem. My other thoughts are: - Install devuan_ascii_2.0.0_beta_i386_desktop-live - Install beta packages, if I can be directed to them. - Vary the script and re-test as needed. - Prepare and host this script and specific images and audio so this can be tested by others. - Try to use a different video codec. -- x265 seems to be missing -- I don't really understand any of this. Building the command I'm currently using was trial-and-error from some searching. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dist-upgrade to ACSII error
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 01:27:31PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> I ran dist-upgrade to ASCII from Jessie about an hour ago, and the problem
> it's still there.
>
Which mirror are you using? The package has been in the repo since a
couple of hours ago. The relevant versions are as follows:
udev: 1:3.2.2+devuan2.11
eudev: 3.2.2-13
They should be available from pkgmaster.devuan.org, deb.devuan.org,
{CC}.deb.devuan.org and packages.devuan.org (so basically any Devuan
mirror(s)).
Could you please try again and report?
Regards
KatolaZ
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Re: [DNG] Dist-upgrade to ACSII error
I ran dist-upgrade to ASCII from Jessie about an hour ago, and the problem it's still there. On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:24 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 12:55:45PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > I just had the same problem and that solved it. > > > > Thanks! > > The hack shouldn't be needed any more. There are new udev and eudev > packages in ascii, which fix the odd behaviour. Please report any > glithes. > > HND > > KatolaZ > > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dist-upgrade to ACSII error
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 12:55:45PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > I just had the same problem and that solved it. > > Thanks! The hack shouldn't be needed any more. There are new udev and eudev packages in ascii, which fix the odd behaviour. Please report any glithes. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dist-upgrade to ACSII error
I just had the same problem and that solved it. Thanks! On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:09 PM, John Crisp wrote: > On 23/03/18 19:45, Irrwahn wrote: > > John Crisp wrote on 23.03.2018 19:04: > >> Oooops. > > > > IIRC this is a known problem during updates that is about to be fixed > > before ASCII goes stable. > > A OK. > > > > > Please try to: > > 1. remove the transitional udev package (if applicable) > > 2. move the file /etc/init.d/udev out of the way (if present) > > 3. reinstall (or rather configure) the eudev package. > > > > mv /etc/init.d/udev /root/udev > mv /etc/init.d/udev-finish /root/udev-finish > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > That seemed to fix it ! > > Many thanks (and to Florian as well) > > B. Rgds > John > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] DSA Jessie Apr 9
Mon, 2 Apr 2018 22:30:17 +0200 [SECURITY] [DSA 4163-1] beep security update Binary: beep, beep-udeb Version: 1.3-3+deb8u1 Confirmed: jessie-security, jessie-proposed-updates Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:02:15 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4164-1] apache2 security update Binary: apache2, apache2-data, apache2-bin, apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-event, apache2-mpm-itk, apache2.2-bin, apache2.2-common, libapache2-mod-proxy-html, libapache2-mod-macro, apache2-utils, apache2-suexec, apache2-suexec-pristine, apache2-suexec-custom, apache2-doc, apache2-dev, apache2-dbg Version: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12 Confirmed: jessie-security, jessie-proposed-updates Wed, 04 Apr 2018 01:42:29 + [SECURITY] [DSA4165-1] ldap-account-manager security update Binary: ldap-account-manager, ldap-account-manager-lamdaemon Version: 4.7.1-1+deb8u1 Confirmed: jessie-security, jessie-proposed-updates Wed, 4 Apr 2018 21:30:08 +0200 [SECURITY] [DSA 4166-1] openjdk-7 security update Binary: openjdk-7-jdk, openjdk-7-jre-headless, openjdk-7-jre, openjdk-7-jre-lib, openjdk-7-demo, openjdk-7-source, openjdk-7-doc, openjdk-7-dbg, icedtea-7-jre-jamvm, openjdk-7-jre-zero Version: 7u171-2.6.13-1~deb8u1 Confirmed: jessie-security Thu, 05 Apr 2018 17:02:32 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4167-1] sharutils security update Binary: sharutils, sharutils-doc Version: 1:4.14-2+deb8u1 Confirmed: jessie-security, jessie-proposed-updates Sun, 08 Apr 2018 08:07:04 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4168-1] squirrelmail security update Binary: squirrelmail Version: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb8u2 Confirmed: jessie-security ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] DSA Ascii Apr9
Mon, 2 Apr 2018 22:30:17 +0200 [SECURITY] [DSA 4163-1] beep security update Binary: beep, beep-udeb Version: 1.3-4+deb9u1 Confirmed: ascii-security/main, ascii-proposed-updates/main Note: version 1.3-4+b1 in beowulf, ceres Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:02:15 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4164-1] apache2 security update Binary: apache2, apache2-data, apache2-bin, apache2-utils, apache2-suexec-pristine, apache2-suexec-custom, apache2-doc, apache2-dev, apache2-ssl-dev, apache2-dbg Version: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Wed, 04 Apr 2018 01:42:29 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4165-1] ldap-account-manager security update Binary: ldap-account-manager, ldap-account-manager-lamdaemon Version: 5.5-1+deb9u1 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Thu, 05 Apr 2018 17:02:32 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4167-1] sharutils security update Binary: sharutils, sharutils-doc Version: 1:4.15.2-2+deb9u1 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unable to Install
Le 09/04/2018 à 03:58, Vernon Geiszler a écrit : I then downloaded ascii beta and dd'd to a usb stick. When I try to boot up I get: missing operating system. Configure BIOS boot menu to enable booting fro the USB stick. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I hope one *can* use a CDROM?
Le 09/04/2018 à 08:30, Steve Litt a écrit : On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 08:35:20 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: Le 06/04/2018 à 03:33, Steve Litt a écrit : SD cards (not even speaking of micro-SD) have a higher density and can be put in readonly mode. They are certainly more expensive, but re-usable. Reusable isn't always a plus. If I had a nickel for every reusable backup I saw prematurely reused. Floppies, tapes, zip drives, external hard drives, thumb drives, they're all way too likely to "oops, I just backed up over my latest backup, and the backup didn't take. Let me remind you that the subject was not archiving, but installing an OS from a removable medium. CDs and DVDs have several different standards and most drives cannot read all of them. Show me any consumer optical drive that can't read iso9660, no Joliet, No Rock Ridge, no El Torito, just iso9660 with 8.3 filenames (easy to do if the files are really inside .tgz's. One can argue about the convenience of .tgz's on a backup medium, but it works very well at making your old stuff available at restoration. Recently I burned a DVD with Devuan-ASCII installer on an HP desktop and was unable t read it on a Dell Poweredge server. I had also burned a 700GB CDROM on the same machine with the netinst and couldn't read it either on the Poweredge. I ended up buying an SD-USB adapter and reusing an SD card I had in my bag to make the install. I've also experienced that CDs written on a drive couldn't be read from another one and vice-versa. Drives wear out, and often the first thing to go is their interoperability with others. If you're using a drive to record important stuff, don't let it get more than 3 years old. They're cheap. CDs and DVDs are OK for archiving data for a few years; I don't trust them for longer. Except for paper, what COULD you trust for more than a few years? Thumbdrives? Below is a temptative list of archiving supports sorted by decreasing durability and, decreasing density: 1: marble or other hard stone 2: paper 3: microfilm 4: SAS hard disks 5: other types of hard disks 6: optical disks I don't know yet where to put the SSD "disks" and the SD cards. It is clear that these media are also sorted by inreasing density - the more dense the medium, the less durable. At first sight, it's a pitty that we haven't a medium offering both high durability and high density. But, considering the infinite amount of junk the bureaucracy is able to produce - only limited by the storage capacity - I find fortunate that it autodestroys. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
