Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Sun, Jun 03, 2018 at 06:01:58PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source > projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider > outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider > instead deploying instead one of many actually open source, self-hosted > workalikes such as GitLab.' > > I'm betting they'll see nothing wrong with outsourcing to a > proprietary-software firm run by people they don't know and have no > reason to trust, based on this news. I'm glad it works for them. > IMHO the main problem is not just outsourcing to a proprietary software firm (which I think is already bad enough), rather outsourcing to a proprietary software firm which has made a fortune out of stealing software developed by others (the most notable examples are MS-BASIC and MS-DOS, which made MicroSoft out of NothingSoft), strangling competitors with endless lawsuits (does anybody here remember Digital Research?) or acquiring them to let them rotten to death (Nokia and Skype are probably the most notable recent examples), etc. GitHub was not a potential competitor to any software company hosting their repos on github.com. MicroSoft definitely is. The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly > emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO. Why not? I do think a more modern solution would be a distributed p2p repository based on a keychain, but a classic, centralized repo like GitLab is probably much easier to the vast majority of coders (and users, too). Besides the fact that there is not one currently available TIKO. -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:55:57AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly > > emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO. > > Why not? > > I do think a more modern solution would be a distributed p2p repository > based on a keychain, but a classic, centralized repo like GitLab is probably > much easier to the vast majority of coders (and users, too). Besides the > fact that there is not one currently available TIKO. > The main limit of Gitlab is the fact that it depends on rails. And rails is not meant for scalability, IMHO. Whoever has ever run a Gitlab instance for more than 10 users and 50 repos knows what I am talking about. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 02:01, Rick Moen wrote: > For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source > projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider > outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider > instead deploying instead one of many actually open source, self-hosted > workalikes such as GitLab.' > > I'm betting they'll see nothing wrong with outsourcing to a > proprietary-software firm run by people they don't know and have no > reason to trust, based on this news. I'm glad it works for them. > > Did I mention GitLab? ;-> To play devil's advocate, what can go wrong? Protecting a project's Github-hosted code from competitors is of course not an issue since it's open source code anyway. The very worst that could happen (and this is absurdly unlikely of course) is that the new Microsoft overlords could ban certain types of project or charge huge fees for them. But, as I say, this is absurdly unlikely. I suppose that Microsoft could potentially just shut down Github entirely (and use it solely as an internal repository) but that seems ridiculously unlikely too. Or maybe they could claim some sort of licence on Github-hosted code but that is incredibly unlikely (and probably legally implausible) as well. As long as projects that currently use Github are sensible enough to keep off-Github backups then it seems to me that there is no real risk at all. If Github was to become unusable for any reason then porting to some other Git environment might be a hassle but it could be done. So I just don't see a problem with this. It will be interesting to see how Github develops. It could actually work out well. I'd been thinking that Github would be a very useful acquisition for Microsoft in terms of extending the already very handy Git and Github integration in Visual Studio. Perhaps the only plausible risk to Github is if Microsoft extend the Visual Studio integration and somehow make it difficult to use other tools but even this seems very unlikely to me. Improving Visual Studio Github integration seems certain but that doesn't mean that they'll seek to block out other tools or make using other tools more difficult. So, what is the next open source acquisition target for Microsoft? A project doing Group Policy integration tools for Linux might be a good (if rather small) choice. Or more significantly perhaps even Red Hat or the SUSE business unit from Micro Focus. A major corporate Linux vendor acquisition would further expand Microsoft's corporate reach (it would be very appealing to corporates if MS could say that you can have Windows and/or Linux and it all integrates transparently within the Microsoft ecosystem) and it would even give them a root into the resurgent mainframe market. I note that SUSE is into OpenStack in a big way and this would definitely suit Microsoft in the longer term. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 14:07, Mark Rousell wrote: > it would even give them a root into the resurgent mainframe market. Doh... s/root/route/ -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com): > To play devil's advocate, what can go wrong? Autonomy. The Void Linux distribution is, according to Steve Litt, currently in semi-chaos because GitHub, Inc. recognises no other user other than the founder as having authority over the project's data. If Void Linux controlled its own software infrastructure with appropriate collaborative arrangements, this administrative hurdle would be easy to solve. As long as they outsource software infrastructure, that infrastructure runs according to someone else's rules. Personally, I want my software infrastructure to implement _my_ policies and follow _my_ rules. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > The main limit of Gitlab is the fact that it depends on rails. And > rails is not meant for scalability, IMHO. Yes, that really is a serious limitation. The Wikipedia page about the GitHub codebase mentions only that it's written in Ruby (and some bits in Go), _but_ in truth it does appear to be a Rails app. (You seem to speak from experience, which is deeply appreciated. By contrast, I'd only heard the thing spoken of as a GitHub workalike.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 16:14, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com): > >> To play devil's advocate, what can go wrong? > Autonomy. I really can't see anything different about project autonomy before or after GitHub acquisition by Microsoft. The issue you elaborate on below is certainly real but Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub doesn't seem likely to make any difference to it. > The Void Linux distribution is, according to Steve Litt, currently in > semi-chaos because GitHub, Inc. recognises no other user other than the > founder as having authority over the project's data. If Void Linux > controlled its own software infrastructure with appropriate > collaborative arrangements, this administrative hurdle would be easy to > solve. Well yes, but this is not GitHub's fault (nor would it be Microsoft's fault). It seems to me that if Void Linux had ensured that multiple users had admin access to the project's data on GitHub OR if they had kept regular off-GitHub backups then none of this would be a problem. > As long as they outsource software infrastructure, that infrastructure > runs according to someone else's rules. Personally, I want my software > infrastructure to implement _my_ policies and follow _my_ rules. Oh I agree! This is a potential problem with *all* types of cloud hosting, isn't it. What happens if the provider disappears or if the person with the account username and password disappears? All users of cloud services, be it web hosting, data storage, processing, or code hosting should ensure that (a) they have well-distributed admin access so that the project never relies on any single person to access the online data and (b) that they have a contingency plan/disaster recovery plan in case they need to move hosting. And yes, I suspect most users of cloud services don't think through these risks well enough. But Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub won't make this any more of a potential risk than it is already. Personally I dislike it when people, businesses, or projects move almost everything to the cloud. It really is overly risky to my mind (for all sorts of reasons in addition to the two I mentioned above). But I can't fight how things are: Cloud hosting brings many, many benefits and so I always caution people never to rely solely on cloud services: They should keep their own backups on their own physical infrastructure, they should ensure that there is no single human point of failure, and having to move hosting elsewhere (including bringing it in house) should be part of their general disaster recovery plans in case their chosen service providers cease to be effective. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 02:07:04PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 04/06/2018 02:01, Rick Moen wrote: > > For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source > > projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider > > outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider > > instead deploying instead one of many actually open source, self-hosted > > workalikes such as GitLab.' > > > > I'm betting they'll see nothing wrong with outsourcing to a > > proprietary-software firm run by people they don't know and have no > > reason to trust, based on this news. I'm glad it works for them. > > > > Did I mention GitLab? ;-> > > To play devil's advocate, what can go wrong? > > Protecting a project's Github-hosted code from competitors is of course > not an issue since it's open source code anyway. The very worst that > could happen (and this is absurdly unlikely of course) is that the new > Microsoft overlords could ban certain types of project or charge huge > fees for them. But, as I say, this is absurdly unlikely. I suppose that > Microsoft could potentially just shut down Github entirely (and use it > solely as an internal repository) but that seems ridiculously unlikely > too. Or maybe they could claim some sort of licence on Github-hosted > code but that is incredibly unlikely (and probably legally implausible) > as well. What can possibly go wrong for non-free software projects? Microsoft is only one of the most powerful competitor in the software industry, whatever kind of software you are talking about. If I owned a software company, I would think through it over and over before putting my own code in a "private" repository to which Microsoft has access. They have historically been very quick and efficient at stealing, suffocating, and extinguishing. And in practice there is no GDPR to protect you in a lawsuit against Microsoft. What can go wrong for free software projects? Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects, and owning it means profiling the free software community with an unprecedented accuracy. They will certainly push their own development toolkits and goodies through github, with the aim of making them "standard" also in the free software world. And once something is "standard", the rest must be automatically suffocated and extinguished... Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that stole DOS. The same company that put an insane amount of money in the SCO lawsuit on Linux. The same company which called free-software "a cancer". The same company that forbids resellers to sell Windows in dual-boot configurations. The same company who paid a half-journalist to collect FUD about Linux Torvalds and the kernel developers about allegedly "stolen" code from Unix. It's the same company. The same people. The same silly faces. The same mindset. The same aims. The same methods. The same sour ending. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill open source. # Serge ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com): > I really can't see anything different about project autonomy before or > after GitHub acquisition by Microsoft. The issue you elaborate on below > is certainly real but Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub doesn't seem > likely to make any difference to it. Quite likely correct. (You'll note that I never said it did.) I prefer having control over my own software infrastructure to the extent feasible and economic, for reasons having nothing particularly to do with Microsoft, Inc. (I haven't especially looked into the ramifications of that business deal. It's just one proprietary software company swallowing another, and not of great concern to me.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Is this a case of mass US based industrial espionage now? It's been said that Microsoft makes a great deal of monies from Linux with patents in play. I see this as a perfect solution for Microsoft to go after every man and his dog using github to see if there are any patents to win more money over (like Oracle did to Google for instance over Java). If Microsoft has full and unfettered access to all the code repositories, then they can deep scan every project looking for opportunities to take legal action. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I won't use Skype ever again, haven't for a long time. My LinkedIn is just a placeholder account and some "wise" person screwed up my profile long ago with incorrect information. LinkedIn is a problem in itself. What are they? They are the ultimate 3 letter agencies dream. They want to know about every single business, every single employee and job description, every single skill; it's entirely encompassing -- it is a nightmare for anyone wanting to preserve any shred of privacy about their own information. I just hope that people abandon Github, but I won't hold my breath; people haven't abandoned LinkedIn or Skype as they should. Very troubling times indeed. A. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote: > Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to > kill open source. > > # Serge > I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source. Aren't they the largest single contributor on GitHub? -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote: > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects, > and owning it means profiling the free software community with an > unprecedented accuracy. But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or anyone else) would have had access to all that information anyway. Owning GitHub does not seem to me to get them anything substantially new as far open source projects are concerned. I do take your point about private repositories but I suspect that very few people will care (including Microsoft). Do they really need to go trawling private repositories for trade secrets? It seems unrealistic to me. > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never > will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that > stole DOS. The same company that put an insane amount of money in the > SCO lawsuit on Linux. The same company which called free-software "a > cancer". The same company that forbids resellers to sell Windows in > dual-boot configurations. The same company who paid a half-journalist > to collect FUD about Linux Torvalds and the kernel developers about > allegedly "stolen" code from Unix. It's the same company. The same > people. The same silly faces. The same mindset. The same aims. The > same methods. The same sour ending. HND KatolaZ Time will tell, I guess. Anyway, I look forward to Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-) -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:40:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote: > > Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to > > kill open source. > > > > # Serge > > > > I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source. > > Aren't they the largest single contributor on GitHub? > > No, they just own the largest corporate account on github. This does not mean that all the stuff they put there is public, or free software. Al always, their marketing has been very effective, apparently. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote: > > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects, > > and owning it means profiling the free software community with an > > unprecedented accuracy. > > But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or > anyone else) would have had access to all that information anyway. > Owning GitHub does not seem to me to get them anything substantially new > as far open source projects are concerned. > You can't effectively crawl the whole GitHub using GutHub's API (have you tried?). And you can't track all the changes and trends in real time. Unless you own GitHub. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 2018-06-04 11:56, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote: > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects, > and owning it means profiling the free software community with an > unprecedented accuracy. But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or anyone else) would have had access to all that information anyway. Owning GitHub does not seem to me to get them anything substantially new as far open source projects are concerned. You can't effectively crawl the whole GitHub using GutHub's API (have you tried?). And you can't track all the changes and trends in real time. Unless you own GitHub. HND KatolaZ ___ That plus access to all personal information. A veritable goldmine! I don't see anything good coming out of this development. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 17:52, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:40:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: >> >> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source. >> >> Aren't they the largest single contributor on GitHub? >> > No, they just own the largest corporate account on github. This does > not mean that all the stuff they put there is public, or free > software. > > Al always, their marketing has been very effective, apparently. I don't want to get into an argument about this as I am not exactly a fan of Microsoft but... My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes from GitHub's own statistics specifically for *open source* contributions (admittedly dating from 2016). Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9 'Microsoft just edged out Facebook and proved that it's changed in an important way'. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-) NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold day in hell before I opted for a Microsoft version. A. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 05/06/18 03:06, Mark Rousell wrote: > My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes > from GitHub's own statistics specifically for *open source* > contributions (admittedly dating from 2016). > > Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9 > 'Microsoft just edged out Facebook and proved that it's changed in an > important way'. Don't believe the Microsoft hype. Now, if they open sourced EVERY single Microsoft software and allowed forks with proper open licenses that are not restrictive; only then I might be happy to use a completely vetted fork that removes every single privacy concern or, at the very least, allows absolute total transparency with options to allow/disallow data transfer based on the pros of giving up particular and specific personal or other data for a different, but worthwhile benefit -- knowing the "cost" of giving up exactly which data is what counts and understanding that the benefit is worth it. A. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Andrew McGlashan wrote on 05/06/18 03:18: On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-) NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold day in hell before I opted for a Microsoft version. Unfortunately TTL for societal knowledge seems to be about 6 years; i.e., 6 years after introduction, it'll generally be seen as having always been there. Ralph. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
I deleted my linkedin account a few years ago. Almost immediately I started receiving invitations from some people that I only knew peripherally. Why would they care? None of the people I knew well ever said anything about my leaving. It didn't take long to write a procmail recipe to send all such spam to /dev/null. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 06:06:33PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: [cut] > > I don't want to get into an argument about this as I am not exactly a > fan of Microsoft but... > > My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes > from GitHub's own statistics specifically for *open source* > contributions (admittedly dating from 2016). > > Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9 > 'Microsoft just edged out Facebook and proved that it's changed in an > important way'. > You've been confused by marketing, again. By reading through the very same source used by the article you are citing with an unbiased eye, it becomes clear that what is happening is that Microsoft's vscode repository (yes, just *one* repository) is the first GitHub repository for number of contributors: https://octoverse.github.com/ This is what the journalist "mis-read" and "mis-cited" in the article you mentioned. And this does not make MS the largest single contributor to GitHub, only the project initiator who got the largest number of contributors (about 15000) to one of its projects. And the contributions to that repo belong to the 15000 contributors, not to Microsoft (unless the journalist is implying that most of those 15000 contributors are Microsoft employees themselves, which wouldn't be surprising at all). Then there are about 25.000.000 other active repositories and about 26.000.000 more active users on GitHub. Biased marketing has a strange way of putting numbers together, indeed... HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 2018-06-04 12:06, Mark Rousell wrote: Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9 'Microsoft just edged out Facebook and proved that it's changed in an important way'. OT: This site wouldn't let me view content with an adblocker enabled. I made a quick exit as attempts to remove the adblocker nag resulted in no scrollbar function. A reload usually fixes that but not this time. I can't believe users put up with this s**t. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 18:36, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 06:06:33PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: > > [cut] > >> I don't want to get into an argument about this as I am not exactly a >> fan of Microsoft but... >> >> My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes >> from GitHub's own statistics specifically for *open source* >> contributions (admittedly dating from 2016). >> >> Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9 >> 'Microsoft just edged out Facebook and proved that it's changed in an >> important way'. >> > You've been confused by marketing, again. By reading through the very > same source used by the article you are citing with an unbiased eye, > it becomes clear that what is happening is that Microsoft's vscode > repository (yes, just *one* repository) is the first GitHub repository > for number of contributors: > > https://octoverse.github.com/ > > This is what the journalist "mis-read" and "mis-cited" in the article > you mentioned. And this does not make MS the largest single > contributor to GitHub Actually that most certainly *does* make Microsoft the largest single contributor to GitHub. They made more contributions than any other single contributor. The fact that it was all into a single repo doesn't change that at all! > only the project initiator who got the largest > number of contributors (about 15000) to one of its projects. And the > contributions to that repo belong to the 15000 contributors, not to > Microsoft (unless the journalist is implying that most of those 15000 > contributors are Microsoft employees themselves, which wouldn't be > surprising at all). Surely the point is precisely that they are all MS employees. The fact that they are MS employees is the thing that made Microsoft the largest single contributor to open source GitHub. You may dismiss this if you wish since it is mostly to one of Microsoft's own repos, and I'd see your point, but the fact remains that this still made them the largest single contributor. > Biased marketing has a strange way of putting numbers together, > indeed... I can only say that the conclusion appears to precisely match the numbers stated by GitHub. To dismiss it because the *distribution of those contributions* is not to your liking doesn't change the truth of it. As I said, I'm not fan of Microsoft but you've said nothing to indicate that (in 2016 art least) they were genuinely the largest single contributor to open source projects on GitHub (yes, their project, but no less real and no less open source just because it is MS's project). -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to > Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-) > NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that > brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold day in > hell before I opted for a Microsoft version. I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-) In another message in this thread I predicted that Microsoft would buy a major corporate Linux distribution some time soon. In my estimation, the likeliest candidates are either Red Hat or Micro Focus's SUSE business unit. Overall I think Red Hat would be the better choice, albeit probably the more expensive choice, but I suspect either of them would be a good fit for Microsoft's corporate business and strategic direction. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
Le 04/06/2018 à 20:10, Mark Rousell a écrit : On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-) NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold day in hell before I opted for a Microsoft version. I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-) In another message in this thread I predicted that Microsoft would buy a major corporate Linux distribution some time soon. In my estimation, the likeliest candidates are either Red Hat or Micro Focus's SUSE business unit. Overall I think Red Hat would be the better choice, albeit probably the more expensive choice, but I suspect either of them would be a good fit for Microsoft's corporate business and strategic direction. I also bet for RHEL because 1) it has much more derivatives than Suse and these will be placed in front of a BIG dilemma - what a fun for MS! 2) RHEL is already working to make this happen, by forcing systemd everywhere. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:46:54 +0100 Mark Rousell wrote: > On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote: > > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool > > projects, and owning it means profiling the free software community > > with an unprecedented accuracy. > > But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or > anyone else) would have had access to all that information anyway. It's like the difference between a bad guy hacking your system remotely and his having physical possession. In the former case, he must come in using specific protocols, and on a relatively slow wire. In the latter case, he sets up an alternative OS instance to brute-force scan the system at a speed orders of magnitude faster. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 19:10:42 +0100, Mark wrote in message <5b1580a2.8000...@signal100.com>: > On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > > > On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to > > Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-) > > NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need > > that brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very > > cold day in hell before I opted for a Microsoft version. > > I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-) > > In another message in this thread I predicted that Microsoft would > buy a major corporate Linux distribution some time soon. In my > estimation, the likeliest candidates are either Red Hat or Micro > Focus's SUSE business unit. Overall I think Red Hat would be the > better choice, albeit probably the more expensive choice, but I > suspect either of them would be a good fit for Microsoft's corporate > business and strategic direction. ..this might mean systemd would have had a good purpose, buy bait to sink Microsoft??? 8o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] My own public git?
Hi all, Timing is everything. I was about to put my Stylz project on GitHub. No more. GitLab's a maybe, but unexpected bad stuff happens in Open Source too: systemd, Caldera going to the dark side, etc. My understanding, from reading man pages of a very few git commands, is that git comes with a server to serve out read-only access to my repository. And for those few with push/commit/branch rights, I can give them ssh logins, key access only. 1) Can I put the preceding in a sandbox from which limited harm can be done? 2) Can I enforce that those keys must have passwords? Passwords of a certain length and quality? 3) What security precautions must I take if this is on my daily driver desktop? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
KatolaZ wrote: > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never > will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that > stole DOS. While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought it outright for what the person selling it accepted as a fair price. It's an interesting story of how one decision changed the direction of the software world, and one of those points in history where with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight it's easy to say "he did WHAT !" ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 21:07:24 +0200, Didier wrote in message : > Le 04/06/2018 à 20:10, Mark Rousell a écrit : > > On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >> On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to > >> Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-) > >> NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need > >> that brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very > >> cold day in hell before I opted for a Microsoft version. > > > > I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-) > > > > In another message in this thread I predicted that Microsoft would > > buy a major corporate Linux distribution some time soon. In my > > estimation, the likeliest candidates are either Red Hat or Micro > > Focus's SUSE business unit. Overall I think Red Hat would be the > > better choice, albeit probably the more expensive choice, but I > > suspect either of them would be a good fit for Microsoft's > > corporate business and strategic direction. > > I also bet for RHEL because > 1) it has much more derivatives than Suse and these will be > placed in front of a BIG dilemma - what a fun for MS! > 2) RHEL is already working to make this happen, by forcing > systemd everywhere. ..is there any surviving anti-systemd Red Hat derivative around? ..my guess is Microsoft will try buy Debian to destroy us, we still use well over 95% Debian .debs in devuan. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] My own public git?
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:34:48 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20180604153448.5a9ec...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > Hi all, > > Timing is everything. I was about to put my Stylz project on GitHub. > No more. > > GitLab's a maybe, but unexpected bad stuff happens in Open Source too: > systemd, Caldera going to the dark side, etc. > > My understanding, from reading man pages of a very few git commands, > is that git comes with a server to serve out read-only access to my > repository. And for those few with push/commit/branch rights, I can > give them ssh logins, key access only. > > 1) Can I put the preceding in a sandbox from which limited harm can be >done? > > 2) Can I enforce that those keys must have passwords? Passwords of a >certain length and quality? ..you _can_ chk for empty strings, e.g.: arnt@d44:~/skatten$ echo "" |md5sum 68b329da9893e34099c7d8ad5cb9c940 - arnt@d44:~/skatten$ echo |md5sum 68b329da9893e34099c7d8ad5cb9c940 - arnt@d44:~/skatten$ echo|md5sum 68b329da9893e34099c7d8ad5cb9c940 - ..maybe a 2 step login, first to "ssh-guest", then on to "git-guest"? (Never tried it myself) > 3) What security precautions must I take if this is on my daily driver >desktop? ..this is a no-brainer: Put it on its own disk in its own box. Even if you can afford losing your own daily driver desktop, you can _not_ afford to lose other peoples work. _That_ will piss them off, _hard_. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 09:50:26PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > I also bet for RHEL because > > 1) it has much more derivatives than Suse and these will be > > placed in front of a BIG dilemma - what a fun for MS! > > 2) RHEL is already working to make this happen, by forcing > > systemd everywhere. > > ..is there any surviving anti-systemd Red Hat derivative around? > > ..my guess is Microsoft will try buy Debian Wat? > to destroy us, we still > use well over 95% Debian .debs in devuan. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ I've read an article about how lively happy music boosts ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ productivity. You can read it, too, you just need the ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ right music while doing so. I recommend Skepticism ⠈⠳⣄ (funeral doom metal). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > KatolaZ wrote: > > > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never > > will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that > > stole DOS. > > While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought > it outright for what the person selling it accepted as a fair price. It's an > interesting story of how one decision changed the direction of the software > world, and one of those points in history where with the benefit of 20:20 > hindsight it's easy to say "he did WHAT !" You are right: they "bought" DOS from a "third party" which had developed DOS out of an unlicensed source version of Digital Research CP/M, and called it MS-DOS. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04-06-18 22:45, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: >> KatolaZ wrote: >> >>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never >>> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that >>> stole DOS. >> While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought >> it outright for what the person selling it accepted as a fair price. It's an >> interesting story of how one decision changed the direction of the software >> world, and one of those points in history where with the benefit of 20:20 >> hindsight it's easy to say "he did WHAT !" > You are right: they "bought" DOS from a "third party" which had > developed DOS out of an unlicensed source version of Digital Research > CP/M, and called it MS-DOS. > > HND > > KatolaZ > If memory serves me well they bought QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System or Quick Disk Operation System). According to some sources it was a clever move because they allready had a deal with IBM before they bought QDOS. I do not have strong opinions about Microsoft buying Github. Just the notion that paying such amount of money means some strategic move which will not necessarily means it is in the best interest of current users. Grtz. Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:36:39 +0200, Adam wrote in message <20180604203639.cp7x6wnnaywnq...@angband.pl>: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 09:50:26PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > I also bet for RHEL because > > > 1) it has much more derivatives than Suse and these will > > > be placed in front of a BIG dilemma - what a fun for MS! > > > 2) RHEL is already working to make this happen, by > > > forcing systemd everywhere. > > > > ..is there any surviving anti-systemd Red Hat derivative around? > > > > ..my guess is Microsoft will try buy Debian > > Wat? .."buy", trick, coup their way in, sneak in, creep in etc, like the systemd people did. > > to destroy us, we still > > use well over 95% Debian .debs in devuan. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:45:56 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message <20180604204556.xhljswr4dfxui...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and > > > never will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same > > > company that stole DOS. > > > > While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. > > They bought it outright for what the person selling it accepted as > > a fair price. It's an interesting story of how one decision changed > > the direction of the software world, and one of those points in > > history where with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight it's easy to say > > "he did WHAT !" > > You are right: they "bought" DOS from a "third party" which had > developed DOS out of an unlicensed source version of Digital Research > CP/M, and called it MS-DOS. ..the 1987ish QDOS? > > HND > > KatolaZ > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
I have a GPE calendar, which I still use daily, and some GPE contacts. The machine these run on is starting to fail -- spontaneous reboot, random battery life, and the like. It still runs well enough that I can *copy* the GPE data bases. Any ideas how to move the data to a modern format? And what modern calendar format to use? GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be able to find an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure it will still run. Development on GPE seems to have ceased more than 10 years ago. The caledar data base is in sqlite 2.1 format. Even ten years ago, people still using it and asking for help were being told to get on with sqlite 3.0. --- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:38:16PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:45:56 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message > <20180604204556.xhljswr4dfxui...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > > > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and > > > > never will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same > > > > company that stole DOS. > > > > > > While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. > > > They bought it outright for what the person selling it accepted as > > > a fair price. It's an interesting story of how one decision changed > > > the direction of the software world, and one of those points in > > > history where with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight it's easy to say > > > "he did WHAT !" > > > > You are right: they "bought" DOS from a "third party" which had > > developed DOS out of an unlicensed source version of Digital Research > > CP/M, and called it MS-DOS. > > ..the 1987ish QDOS? > Nope, it was 1981, not 1987, and it was 86-DOS, not QDOS. I was just a toddler at that time, but the story is so well-known that it's also mentioned in a wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS What Wikipedia might not say in that page is that Seattle Computer Product had obtained 86-DOS by modifying an unlicensed source version of CP/M most probably stolen to a legal Digital Research licensee. Also this story is quite well-known. Nevertheless, 86-DOS was acquired by Microsoft and called MS-DOS, MS-DOS was licensed by Microsoft to IBM and shipped with the first IBM PC as PC-DOS. The rest of the story should be well-known as well. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:32:32PM +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: [cut] > > I do not have strong opinions about Microsoft buying Github. Just the > notion that paying such amount of money means some strategic move which > will not necessarily means it is in the best interest of current users. > You know Nick, when a dog has bitten your hand thousands and thousands of times, you won't trust him only because it licked your face once... Microsoft is a rabid dog, who has fiercely bitten us again, and again, and again. Maybe newcomers to the free software community might have experienced this new, fresh, and friendly puppy mask that Microsoft has lately decided to put on its face, and might also be inclined to like it and trust it. I am not a newcomer. I know that under the mask there is the same rabid dog, and I wouln't dare to put my hand anywhere close to its mouth, 'cause I know very well what the most probable outcome will be. It's only a matter of time, and the mask will fall apart. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/03/2018 06:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote: For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider instead deploying instead one of many actually open source, self-hosted workalikes such as GitLab.' I'm betting they'll see nothing wrong with outsourcing to a proprietary-software firm run by people they don't know and have no reason to trust, based on this news. I'm glad it works for them. Did I mention GitLab? ;-> - Forwarded message from David Krauser via Tech - Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 18:51:18 -0400 From: David Krauser via Tech To: tech Subject: [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub Reply-To: David Krauser , t...@golug.org https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-03/microsoft-is-said-to-have-agreed-to-acquire-coding-site-github This makes me really uncomfortable. - dk https://news.microsoft.com/2018/06/04/microsoft-to-acquire-github-for-7-5-billion/ I hope it's not to late for friendly open-source to get out of gethub. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
> On 5 Jun 2018, at 10:02, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >> On 06/03/2018 06:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote: >> For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source >> projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider >> outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider >> instead deploying instead one of many actually open source, self-hosted >> workalikes such as GitLab.' >> I'm betting they'll see nothing wrong with outsourcing to a >> proprietary-software firm run by people they don't know and have no >> reason to trust, based on this news. I'm glad it works for them. >> Did I mention GitLab? ;-> >> - Forwarded message from David Krauser via Tech - >> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 18:51:18 -0400 >> From: David Krauser via Tech >> To: tech >> Subject: [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub >> Reply-To: David Krauser , t...@golug.org >> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-03/microsoft-is-said-to-have-agreed-to-acquire-coding-site-github >> This makes me really uncomfortable. >> - dk > > > https://news.microsoft.com/2018/06/04/microsoft-to-acquire-github-for-7-5-billion/ > > I hope it's not to late for friendly open-source to get out of gethub. > -- > Jimmy Johnson How does this affect tools like NPM/Yarn, or even golang, that have direct specific integration with GitHub to download or import source code packages? —Tom ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 06:53 PM, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 Jun 2018, at 10:02, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 06/03/2018 06:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote: For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider instead deploying instead one of many actually open source, self-hosted workalikes such as GitLab.' I'm betting they'll see nothing wrong with outsourcing to a proprietary-software firm run by people they don't know and have no reason to trust, based on this news. I'm glad it works for them. Did I mention GitLab? ;-> - Forwarded message from David Krauser via Tech - Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 18:51:18 -0400 From: David Krauser via Tech To: tech Subject: [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub Reply-To: David Krauser , t...@golug.org https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-03/microsoft-is-said-to-have-agreed-to-acquire-coding-site-github This makes me really uncomfortable. - dk https://news.microsoft.com/2018/06/04/microsoft-to-acquire-github-for-7-5-billion/ I hope it's not to late for friendly open-source to get out of gethub. -- Jimmy Johnson How does this affect tools like NPM/Yarn, or even golang, that have direct specific integration with GitHub to download or import source code packages? —Tom I don't know, do you know? Thanks you, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] My own public git?
Steve Litt wrote on 05/06/18 05:34: Hi all, Timing is everything. I was about to put my Stylz project on GitHub. No more. GitLab's a maybe, but unexpected bad stuff happens in Open Source too: systemd, Caldera going to the dark side, etc. My understanding, from reading man pages of a very few git commands, is that git comes with a server to serve out read-only access to my repository. And for those few with push/commit/branch rights, I can give them ssh logins, key access only. 1) Can I put the preceding in a sandbox from which limited harm can be done? 2) Can I enforce that those keys must have passwords? Passwords of a certain length and quality? 3) What security precautions must I take if this is on my daily driver desktop? I'd suggest using a qemu VM on a pair of raw disk files, with nfs mounted repository tree, and sshd_config set up to disallow empty passwords. The VM would be set up such the one holds all software and configuration, and the other anything dynamic, so as to allow the one disk file to be read-only "in production". Furter, you'd make the networking pass through the host, so you can configure a highly restrictive firewall around the VM, e.g. disallowing all TCP connections other than inbound ssh, and all UDP traffic other than DNS. Ralph. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 at 12:44, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:55:57AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200 >> KatolaZ wrote: >> >>> The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly >>> emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO. >> >> Why not? >> >> I do think a more modern solution would be a distributed p2p repository >> based on a keychain, but a classic, centralized repo like GitLab is probably >> much easier to the vast majority of coders (and users, too). Besides the >> fact that there is not one currently available TIKO. >> > > The main limit of Gitlab is the fact that it depends on rails. And > rails is not meant for scalability, IMHO. Whoever has ever run a > Gitlab instance for more than 10 users and 50 repos knows what I am > talking about. People are soon going to find out: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/gitlab-sees-huge-traffic-spike-after-news-of-microsoft-buying-github/ «GitLab Sees Huge Traffic Spike After News of Microsoft Buying GitHub» Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote: >> Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill >> open source. >> >> # Serge >> > > I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source. Really? Are you kidding? "I can't see that it would be in Raytheon's interest that the US bombed Iran." Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 11:45 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: >> KatolaZ wrote: >> >>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never >>> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that >>> stole DOS. >> >> While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought >> it outright for what the person selling it accepted as a fair price. It's an >> interesting story of how one decision changed the direction of the software >> world, and one of those points in history where with the benefit of 20:20 >> hindsight it's easy to say "he did WHAT !" > > You are right: they "bought" DOS from a "third party" which had > developed DOS out of an unlicensed source version of Digital Research > CP/M, and called it MS-DOS. I had a vague recollection that M$ had to resettle over the price because the initial $75K turned out to be a rip-off. I cannot find anything specific to the resettlement. However, here are two decent articles about the origins of MS-DOS https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2004-10-24/the-man-who-could-have-been-bill-gates https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/print-edition/2015/05/01/microsoft-bought-tim-paterson-s-dos-for-75k-the.html I'm not sure why M$ bought GitHub other than, based on their M.O., it provides some means to hurt their competitors. Remember that nearly all of the major projects stored in GitHub are competitors to M$ and now M$ will have access to that code. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 08:27 PM, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: [snip] > Unfortunately TTL for societal knowledge seems to be about 6 years; > i.e., 6 years after introduction, it'll generally be seen as having > always been there. > > Ralph. Good point but I'd say that's only if it's knowledge in an area near and dear to an individual. If it is an area outside their interests then the TTL is probably closer to 18 months or less. That observation is not taking into account the heavy propaganda and revisionism that M$ and its operatives use, especially with their control over the trade press. So collectively, since most people are not interested, the TTL is maybe just over a year or so. That's what makes the lies about "MS ❤ Linux" especially problematic. Your average slob believes it right away and after 18 months, your not so average slobs will too. "I ❤ Chicken" ⇒ "MS ❤ Linux" /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 09:10 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: [snip] > I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-) [snip] It's called "Azure Sphere OS" and it is 100% dependent on M$ products. You cannot use it without M$ Azure and you cannot develop for it without both M$ Windows and M$ Visual Studio on M$ Windows. Presumably system administration has similar requirements. Of the the targets for purchase, I'd say that Canonical is weakest and M$ always goes after the weak and crappy products. Ubuntu is not crappy but Canonical is not in good shape and like Red Hat it has been infiltrated at the executive level by "former" Microsofters. But unlike Red Hat because Canonical is much smaller, these are a much higher percentage of the team and have an outsized influence. A purchase could further damage upstream Debian and thus Devuan. However, as long as Devuan is able to self-host, M$ destruction of GitHub is only a side problem and not directly in the way of progress. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
