Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

[tito via Dng]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 19:38:49 -0500
Steve Litt  wrote:

> 
> >On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 21:44:30 +
> >g4sra via Dng  wrote:
> 
> >In my young years I used to tinker with linux distros on floppy
> >disks and there still where eth0, eth1 and so on but no udev,
> >so where did the names came from?
> 
> Ya know, mknod wasn't so bad. The moment inotify was invented, I could
> have created software to create devices with mknod.

Hi,
network interfaces cannot be found in /dev so I would be surprised
if they could be created with mknod.

Ciao,
Tito


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Re: [DNG] Strange behaviour with last version of grub

[wirelessduck--- via Dng]

> On 5 Mar 2021, at 15:08, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 5 Mar 2021, at 03:23, viverna  wrote:
>>> 
>> Yesterday I updated one of my computers with apt-get upgrade. This packages 
>> are upgraded:
>> 
>> grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common
>> 
>> dpkg install from version 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 to version 
>> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4
>> 
>> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 seems came from to:
>> http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security/main
>> 
>> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 is in:
>> http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main
>> 
>> Upgrading system does not produce or show any problems and then I halt the 
>> system.
>> 
>> I use Devuan Beowulf for all my pc. In this computer there is only 1 hd, 
>> partition type gpt, 3 partitions:
>> 
>> /dev/sda1  EFI System
>> /dev/sda2  Linux filesystem
>> /dev/sda3  Linux swap
>> 
>> I switched on the pc later and grub rescue appears. WTF?
>> 
>> I solved (temporarily) the problems with:
>> 
>> set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub
>> set root=(hd0,gpt2)
>> insmod normal
>> normal
>> 
>> and grub menù appears.
>> 
>> Login with root, and then update-grub... grub-install... and so on...
>> 
>> Restart the system. Grub rescue. Then login with root. New tests. Grub 
>> rescue again. [N times?]
>> 
>> At the end I downgrade from 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 to 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 
>> the upgraded package.
>> 
>> update-grub and grub-install. Reboot. Grub works!
>> 
>> I am currently reluctant to upgrade again.
>> 
>> And now the question. Has anyone reported the error in Devuan? Has anyone 
>> haved this problem?
> 
> Seems to be a bit of news about the latest update.
> https://9to5linux.com/patches-for-multiple-new-grub2-security-flaws-start-rolling-out-to-linux-distros-update-now
> 
> The changelog mentions changes to secure boot. Could that be related to the 
> issue?
> 
> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/g/grub2/grub2_2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4_changelog

And there is also a debian security advisory related to this update.

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Re: [DNG] Strange behaviour with last version of grub

[wirelessduck--- via Dng]

> On 5 Mar 2021, at 03:23, viverna  wrote:
> 
> Yesterday I updated one of my computers with apt-get upgrade. This packages 
> are upgraded:
> 
> grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common
> 
> dpkg install from version 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 to version 
> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4
> 
> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 seems came from to:
> http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security/main
> 
> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 is in:
> http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main
> 
> Upgrading system does not produce or show any problems and then I halt the 
> system.
> 
> I use Devuan Beowulf for all my pc. In this computer there is only 1 hd, 
> partition type gpt, 3 partitions:
> 
> /dev/sda1  EFI System
> /dev/sda2  Linux filesystem
> /dev/sda3  Linux swap
> 
> I switched on the pc later and grub rescue appears. WTF?
> 
> I solved (temporarily) the problems with:
> 
> set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub
> set root=(hd0,gpt2)
> insmod normal
> normal
> 
> and grub menù appears.
> 
> Login with root, and then update-grub... grub-install... and so on...
> 
> Restart the system. Grub rescue. Then login with root. New tests. Grub rescue 
> again. [N times?]
> 
> At the end I downgrade from 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 to 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 
> the upgraded package.
> 
> update-grub and grub-install. Reboot. Grub works!
> 
> I am currently reluctant to upgrade again.
> 
> And now the question. Has anyone reported the error in Devuan? Has anyone 
> haved this problem?

Seems to be a bit of news about the latest update.
https://9to5linux.com/patches-for-multiple-new-grub2-security-flaws-start-rolling-out-to-linux-distros-update-now

The changelog mentions changes to secure boot. Could that be related to the 
issue?

https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/g/grub2/grub2_2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4_changelog___
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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

[Rick Moen]

Quoting o1bigtenor (o1bigte...@gmail.com):

> I, for one,   p l e a s e ? (!?!)

{sigh}  

Care to try reframing the question?

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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:54 PM Rick Moen  wrote:
>
> Quoting Gabe Stanton via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
>
> > This is incentive for me to take another crack at getting a jitsi
> > instance running. It will probably take me a couple months to get one
> > working since time is limited and there are many things higher on the
> > priorities list, but I'll work on that and get back to the list when I
> > have that running.
>
> Here are my (raw, and I stress, _raw_) notes from setting up Jitsi Meet

> (on Amazon EC2, on Debian 10) in a tearing hurry for the 2020 World
> Science Fiction Convention (the '2020 Worldcon'), which was forced by
> the exploding pandemic to suddenly convert itself into a virtual event,
> instead of being in Wellington, NZ:
> http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/jitsi.txt
>
> Here's the 2020 Worldcon's (CoNZealand's) Web site.
> https://conzealand.nz/
>
> The Worldcon is an all-volunteer-run, all-volunteer-staffed literary
> science fiction convention held annually somewhere on planet Earth
> (so far ;-> ).  Usual attendance is about 3000 people who fly in from
> everywhere.  A big Worldcon, like London's in 2014, is about 8000
> in-person attendees.
>
> My instance of Jitsi Meet had no performance problems whatsoever for the
> usage CoNZealand made -- though I was prepared to spin up more instances
> of Jitsi Videobridge2 if necessary to share the load.  Honestly, once I
> stopped making a couple of dumb mistakes in site configuration
> (preserved in my raw notes), it was pretty darned easy to configure.
>
> There are sundry site-admin customisations that can be done, which I
> didn't fully cover in my notes, but aren't that hard to find, and I
> might even be able to refresh my memory about those if you need to ask.
>
> As you might gather from my notes, I got directives from above that
> changed during the project about whether to try to shim in an oauth2
> authentication layer (non-default) and then whether or not to configure
> an operating mode where only a list of people (staff) with prearranged
> admin credentials were permitted to create Jitsi Meet rooms.  The
> eventual deployment did not include the latter security controls --
> making it work pretty much like meet.jit.si .  However, those security
> controls weren't difficult to do if desired.
>
>
> Before any asks:  No, I didn't do that on Devuan because I was in a
> huge hurry and had a known-good Amazon EC2 AMI of Debian 10 at my
> disposal.  I expect that my setup instructions will work just great on
> Devuan.

I, for one,   p l e a s e ? (!?!)
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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 6:27 PM Steve Litt  wrote:

AS there seem to be quite a number enjoying this - - - - well you've caused me
to crawl down the water drains and . . .

>
> Here are my favorite music decades, from most to least liked:
>
> 1) 1990's
> 2) 1980's
> 3) 1960's
> 4) 1970's
> 5) 2000's
> 6) 1950's
> 7) 2010's
>
Nothin like the late 1500s or early 1600s.
The 1700 had quite a number of very interesting moments.
The the 1800s - - - - well I could go on for hours - - - -
   you ever hear a Stein fortepiano on full stick with a big enough voice
   going full bore on some mid/late Schubert or most of Schumann.
Listening to something like the Amadeus quartet - - - - guys only played
together for some 50 + years. One guy died and they disbanded - - - -it
would have been terribly difficult to integrate someone else - - - no matter
how good a player.
Lots more to say here!!!
Finishing the 1800s and into the beginning of the 1900s - - - - well - - -
how many hours will you give me. Some of the composers - - - - great
music but boy were they shysters at life!
Should tell you about a concert I was fortunate enough to here in
Munich - - - - we clapped for '20' minutes - - - - what a performance

So a number of decades - - - meh - - - I've got almost as many centuries!

Saw you a few and have raised you hard!

What else you got?  (grin!)

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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Gabe Stanton via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):

> This is incentive for me to take another crack at getting a jitsi
> instance running. It will probably take me a couple months to get one
> working since time is limited and there are many things higher on the
> priorities list, but I'll work on that and get back to the list when I
> have that running.

Here are my (raw, and I stress, _raw_) notes from setting up Jitsi Meet
(on Amazon EC2, on Debian 10) in a tearing hurry for the 2020 World
Science Fiction Convention (the '2020 Worldcon'), which was forced by
the exploding pandemic to suddenly convert itself into a virtual event,
instead of being in Wellington, NZ:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/jitsi.txt

Here's the 2020 Worldcon's (CoNZealand's) Web site.
https://conzealand.nz/

The Worldcon is an all-volunteer-run, all-volunteer-staffed literary
science fiction convention held annually somewhere on planet Earth
(so far ;-> ).  Usual attendance is about 3000 people who fly in from
everywhere.  A big Worldcon, like London's in 2014, is about 8000
in-person attendees.

My instance of Jitsi Meet had no performance problems whatsoever for the 
usage CoNZealand made -- though I was prepared to spin up more instances
of Jitsi Videobridge2 if necessary to share the load.  Honestly, once I
stopped making a couple of dumb mistakes in site configuration
(preserved in my raw notes), it was pretty darned easy to configure.

There are sundry site-admin customisations that can be done, which I
didn't fully cover in my notes, but aren't that hard to find, and I
might even be able to refresh my memory about those if you need to ask.

As you might gather from my notes, I got directives from above that
changed during the project about whether to try to shim in an oauth2
authentication layer (non-default) and then whether or not to configure 
an operating mode where only a list of people (staff) with prearranged
admin credentials were permitted to create Jitsi Meet rooms.  The 
eventual deployment did not include the latter security controls --
making it work pretty much like meet.jit.si .  However, those security
controls weren't difficult to do if desired.


Before any asks:  No, I didn't do that on Devuan because I was in a
huge hurry and had a known-good Amazon EC2 AMI of Debian 10 at my
disposal.  I expect that my setup instructions will work just great on
Devuan.

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Re: [DNG] Strange behaviour with last version of grub

[Adrian Zaugg]

Hi Viverna

In der Nachricht vom Thursday, 4 March 2021 17:22:42 CET schrieb viverna:
> And now the question. Has anyone reported the error in Devuan? Has
> anyone haved this problem?
Yes, it happened on one of my machines too. I did not yet check what really 
happened and did not try to solve it yet. It started with an unattended-
upgrade:

...
Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4) ...
/dev/disk/by-id/ata-TS64GMTS400S_F673990758 does not exist, so cannot grub-
install to it!

I did rerun apt upgrade manually and did not see an error, it asked to install 
in /dev/sda, of course  it's the only disk in the system, I wondered why it 
asked and rebooted after successful installation, but the machine did not come 
back up.

Regards, Adrian.

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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):

> From my point of view, meetup.com has inserted itself into LUG
> operations as an unneeded middle man for LUGs without an effective
> publicity officer.

In case anyone's interested in an extended and only semi-temperate rant
on this theme:
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/meetup.html

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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

[Gabe Stanton via Dng]

On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 18:47 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi Gabe,
> 
> Could you please be explicit about what you mean by "meetup"? If you
> mean something organized by meetup.com, then you're talking about
> something where you have to sign an indemnification agreement, and at
> least to some extent use meetup.com's communication facilities, and
> get
> a lot of looky-lous.
>
> If you mean meetings without use of meetup.com, it would probably be
> more explicit to call it a "meeting".
> 
> From my point of view, meetup.com has inserted itself into LUG
> operations as an unneeded middle man for LUGs without an effective
> publicity officer.

Hi Steve, 

Definitely a regular ol' meet n greet, no third parties involved. I'm
not much aware of meetup.com, might have heard of it, but my reaction
would be same as yours, no need for third parties to organize a meetup
or meeting or whatever.  

> Anyway, I'm 1500 miles away from Denver, but if it's a meeting and
> not
> a "meetup", I'd like to attend via Jitsi.

This is incentive for me to take another crack at getting a jitsi
instance running. It will probably take me a couple months to get one
working since time is limited and there are many things higher on the
priorities list, but I'll work on that and get back to the list when I
have that running. Once that's running I'll guage interest again. The
smaller the group the less formal it's likely to be. 

Gabe


 

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Gabe Stanton via Dng]

On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 19:31 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > check out invidio.us, but even better help out with peertube, an 
> > alternative p2p platform ;-)
> 
> Oh Oh: "As of September 1st 2020, invidio.us has closed down. To see
> this content, please select another instance, or visit directly on
> YouTube."

Peertube.live is having issues as well. At first I got an expired
certificate error, and then I started getting "Error 503 Backend fetch
failed"

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Re: [DNG] Does Devuan normally feature eth0 as the NIC?

[Ralph Ronnquist via Dng]

On 04/03 19:34, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My Devuan VM guest has the one and only "Ethernet card", which of
> course is virtual, as eth0. Is eth0 standard operating procedure for
> Devuan installations with only one wired NIC?

Yes. That name originates in the adapter module of the Linux kernel,
and the default Devuan software layers don't change adapter name.
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Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

[Steve Litt]

>On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 21:44:30 +
>g4sra via Dng  wrote:

>In my young years I used to tinker with linux distros on floppy
>disks and there still where eth0, eth1 and so on but no udev,
>so where did the names came from?

Ya know, mknod wasn't so bad. The moment inotify was invented, I could
have created software to create devices with mknod.

SteveT

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[DNG] Does Devuan normally feature eth0 as the NIC?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

My Devuan VM guest has the one and only "Ethernet card", which of
course is virtual, as eth0. Is eth0 standard operating procedure for
Devuan installations with only one wired NIC?

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Steve Litt]

>Στις 4/3/21 7:20 μ.μ., ο/η Gabe Stanton via Dng έγραψε:
>> posting a youtube link considering my stance against google.  
>
>check out invidio.us, but even better help out with peertube, an 
>alternative p2p platform ;-)

Oh Oh: "As of September 1st 2020, invidio.us has closed down. To see
this content, please select another instance, or visit directly on
YouTube."

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Steve Litt]

>Simon Hobson  :
>>
>> I think it's a case of two things :
>>  
>
>Hi, I agree with the two. Yes, recently I've heard selection of songs 
>from the 1990s and told myself: "yeah I remember!!! well, there was
>some good songs in this time after all!"
>
>But I still maintain that 1970s are special. I'm not the best person
>to explain why, and it's not the place. 

Here are my favorite music decades, from most to least liked:

1) 1990's
2) 1980's
3) 1960's
4) 1970's
5) 2000's
6) 1950's
7) 2010's

I liked 1990's and 1980's almost the same, but my love for 1990's
Eurodance made the difference.

> That's why I gave links. But
>just count the number of artists I listed: I'm not saying that
>everybody should like all of them(it's not the case for myself). But
>they are all recognized to have put a brick in music history. And so I
>can't let Steve say something a little like "there was mainly Disco in
>the 70s".

So true. From 1970-summer 1974, no Disco. From Spring 1979 on, with
Steve Dahl's Disco Demolition Night (I lived in Chicago), Disco was
relegated to a joke and we had great music to close out the decade.

But 1975-spring 1979 was a vast wasteland of Disco, dragging down what
otherwise could have been a great decade.

>And I forgot three main other bands of the decade(shame on me): 

Doobie Brothers Meh
Chicago Meh
Supertramp Spectacular!

Guilty pleasure: I liked Kiss. And Abba too. And (yeah, I'm a hypocrite)
KC and the Sunshine Band. And Heart and Fleetwood Mac. And Sweet. When
our kids were little (in the very late 1990's), our family used to put
Little Willy on the computer, crank it way up, and dance like nobody
was looking. Every one of us did a 360 when that triple drumbeat ended
the chorus.

Everyone forgets the early 1970's, I don't know why. Remember "Hold
Your Head Up" by Argent? If you had the right album Grand Funk album,
you could hear "Sin's a Good Man's Brother", which was designed
specifically for situations I no longer find myself in. 

And don't forget the outstanding Pop music of the pre-disco 1970's:
Maggie May, Just My Imagination, Signs, Brandy, I Can See Clearly Now,
American Pie, Jazzman, and the best unremembered song of all time, the
Southerland Brothers' You got Me Anyway.

A few months ago I put together a playlist of the #1 songs from 1943 to
1971, and it was interesting. Based strictly on the #1 songs, 1952 was
the worst year ever: It sounded like a funeral. 1955 was great, as were
1961-1963. Soon I'm going to write a program to take the top 20 songs
each week, and create a playlist for a string of years, such that the
playlist plays each top 20 song once, specifically, the week it first
reached its highest position on the charts. It's a job tailor made for
Python dicts.

It's true: The 1970's had some great music.

But disco.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Any interest in a Devuan Meetup in Colorado Springs or Denver? (was "GNUPGP Web of trust")

[Steve Litt]

>I'm guessing we devuaners are spread far and wide... but I'm in
>Colorado. I'd be interested in setting up or joining a general meetup
>in Colorado Springs or Denver if there was any interest, even one
>person. 

Hi Gabe,

Could you please be explicit about what you mean by "meetup"? If you
mean something organized by meetup.com, then you're talking about
something where you have to sign an indemnification agreement, and at
least to some extent use meetup.com's communication facilities, and get
a lot of looky-lous.

If you mean meetings without use of meetup.com, it would probably be
more explicit to call it a "meeting".

From my point of view, meetup.com has inserted itself into LUG
operations as an unneeded middle man for LUGs without an effective
publicity officer.

Anyway, I'm 1500 miles away from Denver, but if it's a meeting and not
a "meetup", I'd like to attend via Jitsi.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] xrdp in devuan?

[vmlinux]

vmlinux wrote on 3/4/21 09:39:
> Hi All,
> I have a segregated LAN with clones of our production machines sitting in it 
> which is used for testing patches, developer things, etc. It's a "testing" 
> network. People are logging into the test network by connecting their RDP 
> client to a desktop VM running XRDP inside the test network. 


Thanks all. That went MUCH better. In fact, the entire installation went better 
than anything I've tried in the last week.

XRDP is up and running and most of my ansible playbooks for the other distros 
worked with just a few tweaks to package names. It was nice seeing ansible 
skipping over all the systemd handlers ツ 

You all have done a great job with this distro!
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Re: [DNG] Strange behaviour with last version of grub

[g4sra via Dng]

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:10 PM, tito via Dng  wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 17:22:42 +0100
> viverna vive...@inventati.org wrote:
> 

> > Yesterday I updated one of my computers with apt-get upgrade. This
> > packages are upgraded:
> > grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common
> > dpkg install from version 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 to version
> > 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4
> > 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 seems came from to:
> > http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security/main
> > 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 is in:
> > http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main
> > Upgrading system does not produce or show any problems and then I
> > halt the system.
> > I use Devuan Beowulf for all my pc. In this computer there is only 1
> > hd, partition type gpt, 3 partitions:
> > /dev/sda1 EFI System
> > /dev/sda2 Linux filesystem
> > /dev/sda3 Linux swap
> > I switched on the pc later and grub rescue appears. WTF?
> > I solved (temporarily) the problems with:
> > set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub
> > set root=(hd0,gpt2)
> > insmod normal
> > normal
> > and grub menù appears.
> > Login with root, and then update-grub... grub-install... and so on...
> > Restart the system. Grub rescue. Then login with root. New tests.
> > Grub rescue again. [N times?]
> > At the end I downgrade from 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 to
> > 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 the upgraded package.
> > update-grub and grub-install. Reboot. Grub works!
> > I am currently reluctant to upgrade again.
> > And now the question. Has anyone reported the error in Devuan? Has
> > anyone haved this problem?
> 

> Hi,
> I updated all my boxes and rebooted them without problems (still have
> to reboot the routers, now that you tell I will do it when I'm there
> physically).
> 

> Ciao,
> Tito
> 

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I bet this is an EFI issue, start by looking there.


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Re: [DNG] Strange behaviour with last version of grub

[tito via Dng]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 17:22:42 +0100
viverna  wrote:

> Yesterday I updated one of my computers with apt-get upgrade. This 
> packages are upgraded:
> 
> grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common
> 
> dpkg install from version 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 to version 
> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4
> 
> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 seems came from to:
> http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security/main
> 
> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 is in:
> http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main
> 
> Upgrading system does not produce or show any problems and then I
> halt the system.
> 
> I use Devuan Beowulf for all my pc. In this computer there is only 1
> hd, partition type gpt, 3 partitions:
> 
> /dev/sda1  EFI System
> /dev/sda2  Linux filesystem
> /dev/sda3  Linux swap
> 
> I switched on the pc later and grub rescue appears. WTF?
> 
> I solved (temporarily) the problems with:
> 
> set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub
> set root=(hd0,gpt2)
> insmod normal
> normal
> 
> and grub menù appears.
> 
> Login with root, and then update-grub... grub-install... and so on...
> 
> Restart the system. Grub rescue. Then login with root. New tests.
> Grub rescue again. [N times?]
> 
> At the end I downgrade from 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 to 
> 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 the upgraded package.
> 
> update-grub and grub-install. Reboot. Grub works!
> 
> I am currently reluctant to upgrade again.
> 
> And now the question. Has anyone reported the error in Devuan? Has 
> anyone haved this problem?
> 

Hi,
I updated all my boxes and rebooted them without problems (still have
to reboot the routers, now that you tell I will do it when I'm there
physically).

Ciao,
Tito
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Re: [DNG] xrdp in devuan?

[tito via Dng]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:39:22 -0600
vmlinux  wrote:

> Hi All,
> I have a segregated LAN with clones of our production machines
> sitting in it which is used for testing patches, developer things,
> etc. It's a "testing" network. People are logging into the test
> network by connecting their RDP client to a desktop VM running XRDP
> inside the test network.
> 
> The current desktop VM is not a Devuan system. I tried upgrading it
> to a newer version of it's OS last week and XRDP no longer works. I
> fiddled with different internet fixes for hours and nothing worked so
> giving up and looking for something else.
> 
> Can anyone confirm XRDP is working with Xwindows in Beowulf? Any
> "unusual tricks" to getting it setup? Just want to make sure XRDP and
> X isn't just broken by default now.
> 
> Thanks
>
Hi,
I use windows 10 rdp client (the old one) to connect to a devuan beowulf
vm in hyperV and it does work and was easy to setup (even with HyperV)
as far as I can recall.

Ciao,
Tito

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[tito via Dng]

On Thu, 04 Mar 2021 10:20:11 -0700
Gabe Stanton via Dng  wrote:

> On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 16:51 +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
> > in anycase disco would be last on my list of 70s music :P
> 
> not even a little redneck disco? 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaK3a44BghU
> 
> I admit it's from the 80's but it's still a sweet song.
> 
> 
> I tend to agree about 70's music, it's what I've listened to the most.
> 
> Others include of course Pink Floyd, Steppenwolf, Janis Joplin, The
> Doors...so many to name.  
> 
AC/DC, Aerosmith, Johnny Winter, Jeff Beck Group, Santana,
 Jimi Hendrix, Thin Lizzy, Roger Chapman, Freddy King, Albert King,
   B.B. King, Cream, Howlin' Wolf, John Lee Hooker. Screamin Jay
   Hawkins, ZZTop..I think there are moreOh Yes... Black
   Sabbath, Clapton, Beach Boys, Steve Miller Band

   Ciao,
   Tito

  
> Disclaimer: I'm aware of the hypocrisy of posting a youtube link
> considering my stance against google. I'll find better ways in the
> future. It's not on bitchute though and this is a quick way to share.
> I doubt attaching a mp3 file would fly, I'll have to check the list
> rules but I have a feeling it's no bueno.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gabe

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Gabe Stanton via Dng]

On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 19:41 +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
> check out invidio.us, but even better help out with peertube, an 
> 
> alternative p2p platform ;-)

I'll check them out, thanks!
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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Dimitris via Dng]

Στις 4/3/21 7:20 μ.μ., ο/η Gabe Stanton via Dng έγραψε:

posting a youtube link considering my stance against google.


check out invidio.us, but even better help out with peertube, an 
alternative p2p platform ;-)




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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Dimitris via Dng]

hey,

Στις 4/3/21 6:35 μ.μ., ο/η Stephane Ascoet via Dng έγραψε:


When you say "local", do you mean "south America"?


no, i mean a current EU member-state...
even though its modern history is more similar to that of Chile and 
Argentina...





And yes, I've forgotten to mention jamaican soul, Punk and so on. As for 
Africa, I better know 80s production but no doubt there has been good 
things in the 70s!


check Mali music, i was astonished to first hear music samples from that 
country, years ago.. they have a "unique" guitar rhythm

in general i like western africa tunes, better than any disco pop :)
artists like Ali Farka Toure, Salif Keita, et others..



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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Gabe Stanton via Dng]

On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 16:51 +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
> in anycase disco would be last on my list of 70s music :P

not even a little redneck disco? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaK3a44BghU

I admit it's from the 80's but it's still a sweet song.


I tend to agree about 70's music, it's what I've listened to the most.

Others include of course Pink Floyd, Steppenwolf, Janis Joplin, The
Doors...so many to name.  


Disclaimer: I'm aware of the hypocrisy of posting a youtube link
considering my stance against google. I'll find better ways in the
future. It's not on bitchute though and this is a quick way to share. I
doubt attaching a mp3 file would fly, I'll have to check the list rules
but I have a feeling it's no bueno.





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Re: [DNG] Netiquette

[Lars Noodén via Dng]

There are also some informal Netiquette Guidelines from October 1995 in
the form of RFC 1855:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855#section-3.0

Section 3 covers one-to-many communications.

/Lars
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Re: [DNG] Netiquette

[spiralofhope]

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:58:57 -0800
Rick Moen  wrote:

> Personally, I deliberately break the thread by snipping In-Reply-To
> (or use mutt's new-message command, which amounts to the same thing)
> if the new discussion will be semantically quite different from the
> old one.

This makes a lot of sense since there is thread-level ignore
functionality out there, for example with Claws Mail.
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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Stephane Ascoet via Dng]

Dimitris :

and locally, after the us-dictated military dictatorship and its
widespread censorship ended in the mid70s, there was a blooming artistic
creation  and great local music was produced..

in anycase disco would be last on my list of 70s music :P


At last, someone else than me to write these things :-)

When you say "local", do you mean "south America"?

And yes, I've forgotten to mention jamaican soul, Punk and so on. As for 
Africa, I better know 80s production but no doubt there has been good 
things in the 70s!


**About Simon Hobson's Brian extract**: Made me smile, sadly I've 
haven't seen the complete movie yet, my sister told me about it years 
ago, she loved it


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Re: [DNG] xrdp in devuan?

[Pontus Goffe via Dng]

Den 2021-03-04 kl. 16:39, skrev vmlinux:

Can anyone confirm XRDP is working with Xwindows in Beowulf? Any "unusual 
tricks" to getting it setup? Just want to make sure XRDP and X isn't just broken by 
default now.



I use it, I dont think it has ever been perfect but I cant recall 
Beowulf has been any different. I dont come from Windows (mstsc.exe) 
that often though.
Things I recall have bothered me is keyboard not following my language 
(but that was before beowulf and likely me not configuring something) 
and trouble getting something displayed after logon (but just killing my 
own session from ssh and retry solved it). The latter may have been 
beowulf but can be older.
I have never configured xrdp, just install and run it so I end up having 
/usr/sbin/lightdm, /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg, /usr/bin/lxsession, 
/usr/sbin/xrdp-chansrv and openbox plus whatever extra they need running.
Usually I have a ssh session in between but that would likely just 
complicate things unless its the port that is blocked for you.

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Florian Zieboll via Dng]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:51:28 +0200
Dimitris via Dng  wrote:

> Στις 4/3/21 4:16 μ.μ., ο/η Stephane Ascoet via Dng έγραψε:
> > And so I can't let Steve say something a little like "there was
> > mainly Disco in the 70s".
> 
> 70s gave us punk/punk rock, hard rock/heavy metal, 2nd wave ska,
> reggae and some of the greatest rock music ever...
> 
> around the world, 70s produced good ethnic music, even in the 
> -forgotten- african continent.
> 
> and locally, after the us-dictated military dictatorship and its 
> widespread censorship ended in the mid70s, there was a blooming
> artistic creation  and great local music was produced.. :)
> 
> in anycase disco would be last on my list of 70s music :P
> 
> 2c.
> d.


Yes, and it was in the seventies, when the transistor amplifier entered
the stage.

Just to drive this thread even more off topic, although I was too young
to realize this back then: The fact, that the sound wave induced from a
shellac-78rpm or vinyl record over a tube amp to the air by a speaker's
membrane is actually THE SAME WAVE which had hit a microphone a more or
less long time ago is still stunning me, whenever I think of it. 

libre Grüße,
Florian


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[DNG] Strange behaviour with last version of grub

[viverna]

Yesterday I updated one of my computers with apt-get upgrade. This 
packages are upgraded:


grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common

dpkg install from version 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 to version 
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4


2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 seems came from to:
http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security/main

2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 is in:
http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main

Upgrading system does not produce or show any problems and then I halt 
the system.


I use Devuan Beowulf for all my pc. In this computer there is only 1 hd, 
partition type gpt, 3 partitions:


/dev/sda1  EFI System
/dev/sda2  Linux filesystem
/dev/sda3  Linux swap

I switched on the pc later and grub rescue appears. WTF?

I solved (temporarily) the problems with:

set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub
set root=(hd0,gpt2)
insmod normal
normal

and grub menù appears.

Login with root, and then update-grub... grub-install... and so on...

Restart the system. Grub rescue. Then login with root. New tests. Grub 
rescue again. [N times?]


At the end I downgrade from 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u4 to 
2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u3 the upgraded package.


update-grub and grub-install. Reboot. Grub works!

I am currently reluctant to upgrade again.

And now the question. Has anyone reported the error in Devuan? Has 
anyone haved this problem?


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Re: [DNG] xrdp in devuan?

[Alexander Brüning via Dng]

On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 09:39 -0600, vmlinux wrote:
> Can anyone confirm XRDP is working with Xwindows in Beowulf? Any "unusual
> tricks" to getting it setup? Just want to make sure XRDP and X isn't just
> broken by default now.

I have XRDP servers running on a few Beowulf machines just fine.
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[DNG] xrdp in devuan?

[vmlinux]

Hi All,
I have a segregated LAN with clones of our production machines sitting in it 
which is used for testing patches, developer things, etc. It's a "testing" 
network. People are logging into the test network by connecting their RDP 
client to a desktop VM running XRDP inside the test network.

The current desktop VM is not a Devuan system. I tried upgrading it to a newer 
version of it's OS last week and XRDP no longer works. I fiddled with different 
internet fixes for hours and nothing worked so giving up and looking for 
something else.

Can anyone confirm XRDP is working with Xwindows in Beowulf? Any "unusual 
tricks" to getting it setup? Just want to make sure XRDP and X isn't just 
broken by default now.

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Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft

[tito via Dng]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 11:02:08 +0100
Didier Kryn  wrote:

> Le 04/03/2021 à 07:46, tito via Dng a écrit :
> > How Linux assigns network interface names
> > The default name for Ethernet interfaces is based upon how Linux
> > initializes them during device discovery. As Linux finds the network
> > devices it will start numbering them starting with 0 and increasing
> > sequentially.
> 
>     But what if, say, eth0 is renamed by the hotplugger before the
> kernel discovers the second ethernet device? I guess the kernel
> restarts with 0 which is the smallest free number. Because eth0 may
> well have been renamed eth1 by the hotplugger. I didn't dig in the
> kernel code to verify.
> 
> --     Didier
> 
> 
> 
hi,
I bet the counter is increased until a free number is found for the law
of laziness and least effort.

Ciao,
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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Dimitris via Dng]

Στις 4/3/21 4:16 μ.μ., ο/η Stephane Ascoet via Dng έγραψε:
And so I can't let Steve say something a little like "there was mainly 
Disco in the 70s".


70s gave us punk/punk rock, hard rock/heavy metal, 2nd wave ska, reggae 
and some of the greatest rock music ever...


around the world, 70s produced good ethnic music, even in the 
-forgotten- african continent.


and locally, after the us-dictated military dictatorship and its 
widespread censorship ended in the mid70s, there was a blooming artistic 
creation  and great local music was produced.. :)


in anycase disco would be last on my list of 70s music :P

2c.
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Re: [DNG] Touchpad on Thinkpad T580 stops working sometimes

[Stephane Ascoet via Dng]

Dimitri Minaev :


I would be grateful for any ideas that might help solve the issue.



Hi, my GObook(on the right of 
) 
has got the same problem for almost 20 years. In worst, since it's about 
every ten seconds and it seems to be related to computer speed 
management. Synaptics touchpad too. I think it's a hardware problem. I 
only use mouse...

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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

[Stephane Ascoet via Dng]

Simon Hobson  :


I think it's a case of two things :



Hi, I agree with the two. Yes, recently I've heard selection of songs 
from the 1990s and told myself: "yeah I remember!!! well, there was some 
good songs in this time after all!"


But I still maintain that 1970s are special. I'm not the best person to 
explain why, and it's not the place. That's why I gave links. But just 
count the number of artists I listed: I'm not saying that everybody 
should like all of them(it's not the case for myself). But they are all 
recognized to have put a brick in music history. And so I can't let 
Steve say something a little like "there was mainly Disco in the 70s".


And I forgot three main other bands of the decade(shame on me): Doobie 
Brothers, Chicago, Supertramp


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Re: [DNG] Netiquette

[Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng]

Hi Steve,

Steve Litt writes:

>>What is the netiquette on this list for changing subject lines.
>>I hate hijacking threads but I also hate breaking them.
>>Which is the lesser of the two evils ?
>>
>
> :-)
>
> My 2 cents: When the stuff I'm discussing no longer is apropos to the
> OP's post, I change the subject line. I typically do it like the
> following:
>
> Name of my new discussion: Was: Name of the OP's discussion

I usually put the "Was: ..." bit between parentheses and use lowercase
so you get:

  Name of my new discussion (was: Name of the OP's discussion)

but that's just me.

> It's a gray area because generally threads aren't full-on hijacked, but
> instead slowly drift away. My decision difficulty is determining at
> what point do I change the subject .
>
> By the way, people who take an ongoing, solid discussion, and reply
> about something totally unconnected with the discussion have a special
> place in hell reserved for them. Perhaps, in addition to the normal
> fire and brimstone, they'll be forced to use systemd for eternity.
>
> And then there are the people who say "sorry for hijacking this
> thread, but", and then go on to hijack it. In addition to the
> punishments mentioned in the preceding paragraph, these people's
> eternal roommate will be Lennart Poettering, who will lecture them, for
> eternity, on why they are wrong about everything.

Thanks for giving me a good laugh, the ROTFL-kind actually, when I could
use one :bow:

Hope this helps,
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