Re: [DNG] new firefox-esr buggy?
Hi Hendrik, Hendrik Boom writes: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:11:11PM +0100, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: >> >> Another thing, try to turn off "smooth scrolling" (why would anyone want >> that?). > > How do you do that? It's the one thing that makes firefox a pain to > use over a LAN. (well, I guess animations in general do that) It's in the Firefox preferences General tab in the Browsing section. There are two scrolling related options: - autoscrolling - smooth scrolling Initially, I thought Harald was talking about autoscrolling but seeing there's a smooth scrolling option too, I'm not sure anymore. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new firefox-esr buggy?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:11:11PM +0100, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: > > Another thing, try to turn off "smooth scrolling" (why would anyone want > that?). How do you do that? It's the one thing that makes firefox a pain to use over a LAN. (well, I guess animations in general do that) -- hendrik > -- > Hilsen Harald > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
On 12/17/21 14:29, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 17/12/2021 à 20:32, Marc Shapiro via Dng a écrit : On 12/16/21 04:44, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 16/12/2021 à 07:08, Marc Shapiro via Dng a écrit : I don't think I'm up for compiling firefox from source. And it would have to be recompiled every time mozilla releases a new version. Why do you need to track the very last version from Mozilla? The package provided in Devuan Chimaera just works with Alsa out of the box. Not here. I just uninstalled pulseaudio, again, and ran Firefox ESR (78.15.0esr 64-bit) and got complete silence. Xine, however, was working this time. Firefox isn't my daily browser but I have it installed. I'm running the same version of Firefox as you, on the same arch and the same distro and it plays sound without pulseaudio. There must be something wrong in your config. Certainly possible, but I don't know what. Have you Alsa installed? Yes And QuasMixer? No Is it the version of Firefox provided by the Devuan package or did you compile it yourself? from Devuan -- Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Release dates
Hi. I just happened to be telling someone about Devuan as a way of running a Linux server without systemd, and I realised that https://www.devuan.org/os/releases has no dates on it, which seems odd, I think. Would it be possible to at least include the release dates for each version (and, as a nice-to-have, the planned or historical end-of-support dates too)? Antony. -- Most people are aware that the Universe is big. - Paul Davies, Professor of Theoretical Physics Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
Le 18/12/2021 à 15:22, Florian Zieboll via Dng a écrit : > On December 18, 2021 2:43:30 PM GMT+01:00, Didier Kryn wrote: > >> apt-get remove --purge libpulse0 wants to remove the following (which >> includes gimp): >> >> The following packages will be REMOVED: >> atril* audacious* audacious-plugins* blueman* ffmpeg* font-manager* >> geeqie* >> gimp* gstreamer1.0-libav* gstreamer1.0-plugins-good* libasound2-plugins* >> libatrilview3* libavdevice58* libavfilter7* libffmpegthumbnailer4v5* >> libfluidsynth2* libgegl-0.4-0* libgimp2.0* libopenscenegraph161* >> libpocketsphinx3* libpulse-mainloop-glib0* libpulse0* libqt5multimedia5* >> libsdl-image1.2* libsdl1.2debian* libsdl2-2.0-0* libsphinxbase3* >> libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37* libyelp0* metacity* metacity-themes* pavucontrol* >> qemu-system-gui* scribus* surf* vlc* vlc-plugin-base* xfce4* >> xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin* yelp* zenity* >> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 41 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > Hallo Didier, > > do you perhaps have something like an auto-'autoclean' policy defined in your > apt configuration? > > Libre Grüsse, > Florian > (sda5)root@apcnb98:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d# grep auto- * 01autoremove-kernels:// DO NOT EDIT! File autogenerated by /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
On Saturday 18 December 2021 at 16:32:48, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 18/12/2021 à 14:55, Antony Stone a écrit :
> >
> > So, you did "aptitude why libpulse0" and it said
> > "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin".
> >
> > However, was that:
> > "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Depends libpulse0" or
> > "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Recommends libpulse0" or
> > "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Suggests libpulse0" ?
>
> depends.
Thanks.
> This is obvious.
It wasn't to me.
> the plugin needs at least to determine if PA is installed. libpulse0
> plays the same role as libsystemd0...
Okay, but I wanted a clear answer to the question. I never feel comfortable
making assumptions about partial information when I'm dealing with someone
else's system :)
> > Do you get the same list of packages from "aptitude purge libpulse0"?
>
> Here it is: to preserve the dependent packages, aptitude recommends
> to not do the requested action!
> (sda5)root@apcnb98:~# aptitude purge libpulse0
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> libasyncns0{u} libpulse0{p}
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
...snip...
> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>
> Keep the following packages at their current version:
> 1) libasyncns0 [0.8-6+b2 (now, stable)]
> 2) libpulse0 [14.2-2 (now, stable)]
>
> Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
Here, again, I would "follow the path" and reply "N" to find out what the next
possible resolution of the situation might be. Somewhere down the list you
might find what you're looking for.
However, I think Florian's suggestion is a far better avenue to pursue to
start with.
Antony.
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Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
Le 18/12/2021 à 14:55, Antony Stone a écrit :
> On Saturday 18 December 2021 at 14:43:30, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>> Aptitude why libpulse0 only lists xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, but it
>> misses a lot, including indirectly xfce4.
> Yes, this is in my opinion one of the shortcomings of "aptitude why" - it
> only
> goes "one level up", whereas I would like it to follow each dependency until
> it finds something that was installed manually, or is a system-essential
> component.
>
> So, you did "aptitude why libpulse0" and it said "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin".
>
> However, was that:
> "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Depends libpulse0" or
> "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Recommends libpulse0" or
> "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Suggests libpulse0" ?
depends. This is obvious. the plugin needs at least to determine if
PA is installed. libpulse0 plays the same role as libsystemd0. And
package xfce4 is probably a virtual package which has no content but
only dependencies, one of them being xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin. The
problem is when you remove xfce4, all the useful stuff of xfce4 which
were installed automatically become "removable" and you need to turn
them one by one to "manually installed" to secure them.
>
> The next step is to do "aptitude why xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin" and keep
> following things until you discover which package that you installed
> manually,
> or which essential system component, ultimately means you ended up with
> libpulse0.
>
>> apt-get remove --purge libpulse0 wants to remove the following (which
>> includes gimp):
>>
>> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>> atril* audacious* audacious-plugins* blueman* ffmpeg* font-manager*
>> geeqie*
>> gimp* gstreamer1.0-libav* gstreamer1.0-plugins-good* libasound2-plugins*
>> libatrilview3* libavdevice58* libavfilter7* libffmpegthumbnailer4v5*
>> libfluidsynth2* libgegl-0.4-0* libgimp2.0* libopenscenegraph161*
>> libpocketsphinx3* libpulse-mainloop-glib0* libpulse0* libqt5multimedia5*
>> libsdl-image1.2* libsdl1.2debian* libsdl2-2.0-0* libsphinxbase3*
>> libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37* libyelp0* metacity* metacity-themes* pavucontrol*
>> qemu-system-gui* scribus* surf* vlc* vlc-plugin-base* xfce4*
>> xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin* yelp* zenity*
>> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 41 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Do you get the same list of packages from "aptitude purge libpulse0"?
Here it is: to preserve the dependent packages, aptitude recommends
to not do the requested action! It seems to stay in the middle of the
dependency tree because it misses some ultimately dependant packages.
(sda5)root@apcnb98:~# aptitude purge libpulse0
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libasyncns0{u} libpulse0{p}
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 1,039 kB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
libsphinxbase3 : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going to
be installed
libfluidsynth2 : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going to
be installed
audacious-plugins : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going
to be installed
libavdevice58 : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going to
be installed
libasound2-plugins : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1-1~) but it is not
going to be installed
pavucontrol : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 4.0) but it is not going to be
installed
libpulse-mainloop-glib0 : Depends: libpulse0 (= 14.2-2) but it is not
going to be installed
libqt5multimedia5 : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going
to be installed
gstreamer1.0-plugins-good : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 2.0) but it is not
going to be installed
libsdl2-2.0-0 : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going to
be installed
libsdl1.2debian : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going to
be installed
xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not
going to be installed
qemu-system-gui : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going to
be installed
vlc-plugin-base : Depends: libpulse0 (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be
installed
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Keep the following packages at their current version:
1) libasyncns0 [0.8-6+b2 (now, stable)]
2) libpulse0 [14.2-2 (now, stable)]
Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
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Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
On December 18, 2021 2:43:30 PM GMT+01:00, Didier Kryn wrote: > apt-get remove --purge libpulse0 wants to remove the following (which > includes gimp): > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > atril* audacious* audacious-plugins* blueman* ffmpeg* font-manager* > geeqie* > gimp* gstreamer1.0-libav* gstreamer1.0-plugins-good* libasound2-plugins* > libatrilview3* libavdevice58* libavfilter7* libffmpegthumbnailer4v5* > libfluidsynth2* libgegl-0.4-0* libgimp2.0* libopenscenegraph161* > libpocketsphinx3* libpulse-mainloop-glib0* libpulse0* libqt5multimedia5* > libsdl-image1.2* libsdl1.2debian* libsdl2-2.0-0* libsphinxbase3* > libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37* libyelp0* metacity* metacity-themes* pavucontrol* > qemu-system-gui* scribus* surf* vlc* vlc-plugin-base* xfce4* > xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin* yelp* zenity* > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 41 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Hallo Didier, do you perhaps have something like an auto-'autoclean' policy defined in your apt configuration? Libre Grüsse, Florian -- [message sent otg] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
On Saturday 18 December 2021 at 14:43:30, Didier Kryn wrote: > Aptitude why libpulse0 only lists xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, but it > misses a lot, including indirectly xfce4. Yes, this is in my opinion one of the shortcomings of "aptitude why" - it only goes "one level up", whereas I would like it to follow each dependency until it finds something that was installed manually, or is a system-essential component. So, you did "aptitude why libpulse0" and it said "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin". However, was that: "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Depends libpulse0" or "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Recommends libpulse0" or "xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Suggests libpulse0" ? The next step is to do "aptitude why xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin" and keep following things until you discover which package that you installed manually, or which essential system component, ultimately means you ended up with libpulse0. > apt-get remove --purge libpulse0 wants to remove the following (which > includes gimp): > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > atril* audacious* audacious-plugins* blueman* ffmpeg* font-manager* > geeqie* > gimp* gstreamer1.0-libav* gstreamer1.0-plugins-good* libasound2-plugins* > libatrilview3* libavdevice58* libavfilter7* libffmpegthumbnailer4v5* > libfluidsynth2* libgegl-0.4-0* libgimp2.0* libopenscenegraph161* > libpocketsphinx3* libpulse-mainloop-glib0* libpulse0* libqt5multimedia5* > libsdl-image1.2* libsdl1.2debian* libsdl2-2.0-0* libsphinxbase3* > libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37* libyelp0* metacity* metacity-themes* pavucontrol* > qemu-system-gui* scribus* surf* vlc* vlc-plugin-base* xfce4* > xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin* yelp* zenity* > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 41 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Do you get the same list of packages from "aptitude purge libpulse0"? Antony. -- The difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference, whereas in practice there is. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
Le 18/12/2021 à 12:25, Antony Stone a écrit : >> Please can you post the output of "aptitude show gimp" from the machine >> where you have seen this? > Another useful output to see would be "aptitude why XXX" where XXX is any of > the PA libraries you say you have found which gimp etc. depends on. > > "why" will tell you which other packages either depend on, or recommend, the > one you've asked about, and is a useful way to find out how (or indeed why) > something got installed on your machine. > Aptitude why libpulse0 only lists xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, but it misses a lot, including indirectly xfce4. apt-get remove --purge libpulse0 wants to remove the following (which includes gimp): The following packages will be REMOVED: atril* audacious* audacious-plugins* blueman* ffmpeg* font-manager* geeqie* gimp* gstreamer1.0-libav* gstreamer1.0-plugins-good* libasound2-plugins* libatrilview3* libavdevice58* libavfilter7* libffmpegthumbnailer4v5* libfluidsynth2* libgegl-0.4-0* libgimp2.0* libopenscenegraph161* libpocketsphinx3* libpulse-mainloop-glib0* libpulse0* libqt5multimedia5* libsdl-image1.2* libsdl1.2debian* libsdl2-2.0-0* libsphinxbase3* libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37* libyelp0* metacity* metacity-themes* pavucontrol* qemu-system-gui* scribus* surf* vlc* vlc-plugin-base* xfce4* xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin* yelp* zenity* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 41 to remove and 0 not upgraded. -- Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
On Saturday 18 December 2021 at 11:22:10, Antony Stone wrote: > On Saturday 18 December 2021 at 11:14:59, Didier Kryn wrote: > > I noticed, looking for packages the name of which include just the > > > > string "pulse", that a few PA libraries are still installed and cannot > > be removed because a lot of packages have a dependency on them, such as > > xfce4, atril and even gimp! > > Please can you post the output of "aptitude show gimp" from the machine > where you have seen this? Another useful output to see would be "aptitude why XXX" where XXX is any of the PA libraries you say you have found which gimp etc. depends on. "why" will tell you which other packages either depend on, or recommend, the one you've asked about, and is a useful way to find out how (or indeed why) something got installed on your machine. > I cannot find any dependency between the two, although there is a > "suggested" for libasound2 on gimp. I haven't yet found a link between > libasound2 and pulseaudio, but even if there were, a suggestion is very > different from a dependency. > > > Antony. -- "The problem with television is that the people must sit and keep their eyes glued on a screen; the average American family hasn't time for it." - New York Times, following a demonstration at the 1939 World's Fair. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
On Saturday 18 December 2021 at 11:14:59, Didier Kryn wrote: > I noticed, looking for packages the name of which include just the > string "pulse", that a few PA libraries are still installed and cannot > be removed because a lot of packages have a dependency on them, such as > xfce4, atril and even gimp! Please can you post the output of "aptitude show gimp" from the machine where you have seen this? I cannot find any dependency between the two, although there is a "suggested" for libasound2 on gimp. I haven't yet found a link between libasound2 and pulseaudio, but even if there were, a suggestion is very different from a dependency. Antony. -- "Tannenbaumschmuck" is a perfectly reasonable German word meaning Christmas tree decorations, and is not a quote from Linus Torvalds. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
Le 17/12/2021 à 23:29, Didier Kryn a écrit : > Le 17/12/2021 à 20:32, Marc Shapiro via Dng a écrit : >> On 12/16/21 04:44, Didier Kryn wrote: >>> Le 16/12/2021 à 07:08, Marc Shapiro via Dng a écrit : I don't think I'm up for compiling firefox from source. And it would have to be recompiled every time mozilla releases a new version. >>> Why do you need to track the very last version from Mozilla? The >>> package provided in Devuan Chimaera just works with Alsa out of the box. >> Not here. I just uninstalled pulseaudio, again, and ran Firefox ESR >> (78.15.0esr 64-bit) and got complete silence. Xine, however, was >> working this time. > Firefox isn't my daily browser but I have it installed. I'm running > the same version of Firefox as you, on the same arch and the same distro > and it plays sound without pulseaudio. There must be something wrong in > your config. Have you Alsa installed? And QuasMixer? Is it the version > of Firefox provided by the Devuan package or did you compile it yourself? I noticed, looking for packages the name of which include just the string "pulse", that a few PA libraries are still installed and cannot be removed because a lot of packages have a dependency on them, such as xfce4, atril and even gimp! This is the same kind of cancer as Systemd in what we can easily recognize the touch of the author. -- Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
