Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On 2022-01-18 20:49, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2022-01-18 16:33, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . . " Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png Will need to be discussed at our weekly dev meet. golinux Or this might be even better https://transfer.sh/CeUT0r/if-rev3.png golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2022, at 9:49 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > On 2022-01-18 16:33, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: >> Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . . " > > Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png > > Will need to be discussed at our weekly … “Your first step matters” just my 2 pennies ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On 2022-01-18 16:33, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . . " Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png Will need to be discussed at our weekly dev meet. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 01:11:52AM +, Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: > Pretty good talk. Reminds me of the other time I heard Brian (in person) at > Purdue in 1977-78 or so. He opened with two quotes, "The operating system > comes between the user and the hardware" which got a laugh because although > it was from a standard operating system textbook, he didn't mean it that way. > The second was "TSO is like kicking a dead whale down the beach" (TSO was an > early IBM operating system). Interesting how a small outfir place like the University of Michigan could do a better job (MTS) of time-sharing on IBM hardware than IBM could. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On 2022-01-18 16:33, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . . " I don't like promising - - - especially too much but I agree even a hint of uncertainty is not a great idea. Regards H . . . I actually like that idea! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
Pretty good talk. Reminds me of the other time I heard Brian (in person) at Purdue in 1977-78 or so. He opened with two quotes, "The operating system comes between the user and the hardware" which got a laugh because although it was from a standard operating system textbook, he didn't mean it that way. The second was "TSO is like kicking a dead whale down the beach" (TSO was an early IBM operating system). I was using Unix since January 1976 for my research programming. Brian looks older now, somehow ;) --Tim On Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 04:31:49 PM EST, Gabe Stanton via Dng wrote: On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 15:58 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video > at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ? I enjoyed the video. To be more specific, I liked his assessment of what 'ingredients' led to unix development and his assessment of whether a 'unix' could be built again. As I think about it, that question leads right to the quote from Dennis Ritchie that Brian put up at the end of his speech or presentation. That is: "What we wanted to preserve was not just a good environment in which to do programming, but a system around which a fellowship could form. We knew from experience that the essence of communal computing [...] is not just to type programs into a terminal instead of a keypunch but to encourage close communication." Pretty neat stuff. It occurs to me that what Dennis says was their goal, was to preserve the human aspects of those criteria that produced unix. Thanks for sharing. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:59 AM Antony Stone wrote: > > Hi. > > I wanted to check the current list of init systems supported by Devuan, so I > went to the website to find out. > > I noticed the prominent motto "init freedom - watch your first step!" there, > and wonder whether this is an entirely positive thing for new visitors to the > Devuan world to see? > > It could easily, I think, be taken to mean "be careful about taking a first > step in an unknown direction" (which is what Devuan is for a newcomer), and > could possibly make some people decide "oh, I'm not so sure about this; maybe > not, after all". > > I'm sure there can be some more positive phrase we can use about init freedom, > to emphasise what it _gives_ people, not to emphasise being cautious about the > unknown. > > > Thoughts / opinions? > Agreed. Maybe something like "init freedom - - - your first step . . . " I don't like promising - - -especially too much but I agree even a hint of uncertainty is not a great idea. Regards ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 15:58 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video > at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ? I enjoyed the video. To be more specific, I liked his assessment of what 'ingredients' led to unix development and his assessment of whether a 'unix' could be built again. As I think about it, that question leads right to the quote from Dennis Ritchie that Brian put up at the end of his speech or presentation. That is: "What we wanted to preserve was not just a good environment in which to do programming, but a system around which a fellowship could form. We knew from experience that the essence of communal computing [...] is not just to type programs into a terminal instead of a keypunch but to encourage close communication." Pretty neat stuff. It occurs to me that what Dennis says was their goal, was to preserve the human aspects of those criteria that produced unix. Thanks for sharing. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?
On 2022-01-18 10:59, Antony Stone wrote: Hi. I wanted to check the current list of init systems supported by Devuan, so I went to the website to find out. I noticed the prominent motto "init freedom - watch your first step!" there, and wonder whether this is an entirely positive thing for new visitors to the Devuan world to see? It could easily, I think, be taken to mean "be careful about taking a first step in an unknown direction" (which is what Devuan is for a newcomer), and could possibly make some people decide "oh, I'm not so sure about this; maybe not, after all". I'm sure there can be some more positive phrase we can use about init freedom, to emphasise what it _gives_ people, not to emphasise being cautious about the unknown. Thoughts / opinions? Antony. Here is a history lesson that should not be forgotten: https://www.devuan.org/os/announce/ Eroding history is the first step down a slippery slope to the end of freedom. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Website "motto"?
Hi. I wanted to check the current list of init systems supported by Devuan, so I went to the website to find out. I noticed the prominent motto "init freedom - watch your first step!" there, and wonder whether this is an entirely positive thing for new visitors to the Devuan world to see? It could easily, I think, be taken to mean "be careful about taking a first step in an unknown direction" (which is what Devuan is for a newcomer), and could possibly make some people decide "oh, I'm not so sure about this; maybe not, after all". I'm sure there can be some more positive phrase we can use about init freedom, to emphasise what it _gives_ people, not to emphasise being cautious about the unknown. Thoughts / opinions? Antony. -- Having been asked for a reference for this man, I can confirm that you will be very lucky indeed if you can get him to work for you. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
