Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Sun, 2018-07-08 at 14:24 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/08/2018 02:25 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Saturday 07 July 2018 at 14:03:33, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >> > >>> Good sources > > > > Who / where? > > > You have to do a lot of reading, the information is out there going back > to 2012 the main source is wanted by usa and has been given a gag order > by his keepers or will be forced to leave his protected living quarters. > > >>> tell me we need our own kernel, > >> > >>Why? What's wrong with the available ones? > > > I'm a hardware guy, taught in Silicon Valley, built fist computer > '75-'76, my fist job was a startup in Santa Clara, I worked R&D until > successful completion and I like taking things apart and maybe building > something better since I was a child. > > In my head I can see how systemd works and it's a computer system inside > your computer, creating virtual hardware and controlling your installed > software, why? It's really simple, your computer is not only working > for you the user but outside sources too, not something the average user > would know about or the ability to do something about. Okay, maybe I'm > not the average user, but I am a user just the same and not a developer, > nor do I have the ability to roll my own kernel. It's known that the CIA > was injecting a backdoor in kernel v.2.6 and now we are dealing with the > NSA, Intel, Microsoft and RedHat. 'IF' our existing kernel has a > backdoor client in it there is nothing 'I' can do about it, but sources > say I need to roll my own kernel. It's the only way to stop this war on > privacy invasion. Neutering software is one thing, but the war will > continue until we get rid of the backdoor. Devuan needs it a kernel > expert, better yet a kernel team of experts. > > Thoughts? Volunteers? The war on privacy will continue, so I'll suggest to take sustainable positions. The need of control and 'power' in some people, and the need to follow orders in others, stands ingrained in their psychological makeup, adequately documented by Bob Altmeyer asynchronousexchange.com/resources/the-authoritarians.pdf Regards -- Elbrus Kondratiev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Tue, 2018-07-17 at 10:01 -0700, spiralofhope wrote: > On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 11:53:17 +0200 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > This discussion seems bordering on conspiracy theories. Those claim > > that something might be true and sow fear, uncertainty and doubt. > > I consider it a god of the gaps argument. There are blind spots in the > many eyes, and there could always be a lurking issue in one of them. > There could be, but possibility does not mean inevitability. Many people around forgets that the mission of the US National Security Agency encompasses to 'stay on top' of everything they consider themselves 'exceptional' and above the rule of law. It's their job to intervene, hack and control everything their adversaries may employ. Their intentions do not constitute a 'possibility': they get paid for hacking. Too many positions here result akin to state: We're not placing security on the door because we have not seen the criminals coming in, although we know they want and get paid to do it. Regards ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux Without systemd: Why You Should Use Devuan, the Debian Fork
It's called 'herd behavior'. Someone told them that systemd constituted 'the way to go'. Nevermind if that way results irrational. Regards On Thu, 2018-07-26 at 10:49 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:13:52 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I found this article online. > > > > https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-without-systemd-devuan/ > > I could have swapped the phrase "s6 plus s6-rc" for "systemd" and that > entire video would have been true except the part that says if you're > using Enterprise Linux, you're stuck with systemd. > > Can I ask all of you something? How do people, who call themselves > developers, joyfully embrace a false choice like systemd vs sysvinit? > Do these same "developers" neglect to put in error handling for a bad > value, because the program earlier supposedly set the variable to one > of two correct values? > > I found this video particularly obnoxious. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence > http://www.troubleshooters.com/key > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Elbrus Kondratiev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
On Thu, 2018-07-26 at 18:10 +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 26-07-18 18:00, Basati wrote: > > I would like to recall that RedHat is a company of the American military > > complex. With close relations with civil intelligence and the military of > > the > > United States > > > > I acknowledge that I used this argument with the DGN trap prior to the fork. > > > > My opinion has not changed systemd is a troll horse not yet activated. When > > it > > is impossible to remove and has thousands and thousands of lines of code > > that > > make it very difficult to audit. They'll open the back door. > > > > For 30 years they have not been able to cope with linux systems. They come > > and > > go as they please on the windows. > > > > The article is clearly biased. It lies and does the same thing that was > > done > > in debian to obviate the underlying reason. > > > > We don't have the resources or the contacts to fight this battle. > > > > But we have something much more powerful. We have devuan, its very > > existence > > is already a resistance. As the number of developers and users increases > > little by little. It will strengthen us to deal with this. > > > > But they can do NOTHING, we are the ones who DO. > > > > I honestly don't think we should waste time with these propaganda anti > > devuan > > actions by redhat. I'm convinced they're behind the article. It's their > > specialty that they know how to intoxicate. > > > > Basati > > > > > I am not into conspiracy theories and keep it simple: > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html and then ask why the hell does > someone wants a init system to do all this stuff? Easy answer: latest > row in table on that page "Easily writable, extensible and parseable > service files, suitable for manipulation with enterprise management > tools" which is not by coincidence the main business of Red Hat. > > Grtz. > > Nick I agree with this latest point. While most probably they placed a backdoor in systemd, they may have plenty of them in the hardware and linux kernel. Access in the military goes by the security clearance of the individuals, thus any backdoor in systemd may just add another layer to the stack. The largest profit of systemd arises from withdrawing the control of the users from their own machines, the same way android and windows did so successfully. More sheep, more profits for everybody, more easy to rule over them. For 30 years they have fought against linux systems because users do whatever they want with their machines. Regards. -- Elbrus Kondratiev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
