Re: [DNG] Can't install Gwenview on Devuan Beowulf with XFCE
Thank you both, I tried several alternatives and finally kept eog (Eye of Gnome). It requires only 4 additional packages to meet it's dependencies. Just as Ludovic pointed out, switching to elogind solves the problem. But, the amount of packages to install in order to use just one KDE app is humongous: root@vaio:/home/emi# apt-get install -s elogind gwenview Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libcgmanager0 libnih-dbus1 libnih1 Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. The following additional packages will be installed: catdoc kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd kamera keditbookmarks kinit kio kio-extras kio-extras-data kwayland-data kwayland-integration libcfitsio7 libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libelogind0 libepub0 libfam0 libhfstospell10 libkf5activities5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5baloo5 libkf5balooengine5 libkf5bookmarks-data libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion-data libkf5completion5 libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5dnssd-data libkf5dnssd5 libkf5doctools5 libkf5filemetadata-bin libkf5filemetadata-data libkf5filemetadata3 libkf5globalaccel-bin libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-bin libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5idletime5 libkf5itemmodels5 libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5jobwidgets-data libkf5jobwidgets5 libkf5js5 libkf5kdcraw5 libkf5khtml-bin libkf5khtml-data libkf5khtml5 libkf5kiocore5 libkf5kiofilewidgets5 libkf5kiogui5 libkf5kiontlm5 libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5kipi-data libkf5kipi32.0.0 libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5parts-data libkf5parts-plugins libkf5parts5 libkf5pty-data libkf5pty5 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data libkf5service5 libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5sonnet5-data libkf5sonnetcore5 libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5textwidgets-data libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5wallet-data libkf5wallet5 libkf5waylandclient5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkf5xmlgui-bin libkf5xmlgui-data libkf5xmlgui5 libkwalletbackend5-5 libpam-elogind libphonon4qt5-4 libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0 libpolkit-qt5-1-1 libpoppler-qt5-1 libqt5texttospeech5 libqt5waylandclient5 libqt5waylandcompositor5 libssh-4 libvoikko1 libzip4 media-player-info phonon4qt5 phonon4qt5-backend-vlc qtwayland5 sonnet-plugins Suggested packages: fam voikko-fi phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer hspell The following packages will be REMOVED: consolekit libpam-ck-connector libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 libsystemd0 The following NEW packages will be installed: catdoc elogind gwenview kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd kamera keditbookmarks kinit kio kio-extras kio-extras-data kwayland-data kwayland-integration libcfitsio7 libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libelogind0 libepub0 libfam0 libhfstospell10 libkf5activities5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5baloo5 libkf5balooengine5 libkf5bookmarks-data libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion-data libkf5completion5 libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5dnssd-data libkf5dnssd5 libkf5doctools5 libkf5filemetadata-bin libkf5filemetadata-data libkf5filemetadata3 libkf5globalaccel-bin libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-bin libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5idletime5 libkf5itemmodels5 libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5jobwidgets-data libkf5jobwidgets5 libkf5js5 libkf5kdcraw5 libkf5khtml-bin libkf5khtml-data libkf5khtml5 libkf5kiocore5 libkf5kiofilewidgets5 libkf5kiogui5 libkf5kiontlm5 libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5kipi-data libkf5kipi32.0.0 libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5parts-data libkf5parts-plugins libkf5parts5 libkf5pty-data libkf5pty5 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data libkf5service5 libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5sonnet5-data libkf5sonnetcore5 libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5textwidgets-data libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5wallet-data libkf5wallet5 libkf5waylandclient5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkf5xmlgui-bin libkf5xmlgui-data libkf5xmlgui5 libkwalletbackend5-5 libpam-elogind libphonon4qt5-4 libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1
[DNG] Can't install Gwenview on Devuan Beowulf with XFCE
Hi all, I wonder if it's possible to install Gwenview (the image viewer from KDE) on a XFCE installation. I have this sources configuration: root@vaio:/home/emi# cat /etc/apt/sources.list ## package repositories deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian buster contrib And this is what i get when I try to install 'gwenview': root@vaio:/home/emi# apt-get -s install gwenview Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: gwenview : Depends: kinit but it is not going to be installed Depends: kio but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5configwidgets5 (>= 5.23.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5iconthemes5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5kiocore5 (>= 5.44.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5kiofilewidgets5 (>= 5.41.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5kiowidgets5 (>= 5.24.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5kipi32.0.0 but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5parts5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5xmlgui5 (>= 4.98.0) but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kamera but it is not going to be installed Recommends: kio-extras but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Sorry if I'm asking a dumb question, but I'm not a DE expert user. I tried other image viewers like eog, eom, ephoto, geeqie and phototonic, but none of them cover my needs (I really miss Gwenview). Appreciate any help. Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
Great, thanks! On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:06 PM wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > On 15 May 2020, at 22:51, Emiliano Marini via Dng > wrote: > > > I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org isn't > working (it throws database error): > > > It looks to have been resurrected by someone else at > https://without-systemd.frama.wiki/ but I can’t verify for it’s > authenticity or content. > > —Tom > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] without-systemd.org not working
I don't know who contact but the site http://without-systemd.org isn't working (it throws database error): *Warning*: include(/usr/share/mediawiki-extensions/base/ExtensionFunctions.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in */etc/mediawiki-extensions/extensions.php* on line *4* *Warning*: include(): Failed opening '/usr/share/mediawiki-extensions/base/ExtensionFunctions.php' for inclusion (include_path='/var/lib/mediawiki:/var/lib/mediawiki/includes:/var/lib/mediawiki/languages:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/pear_exception:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/console_getopt:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/pear-core-minimal/src:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/mail_mime:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/net_socket:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/net_smtp:/usr/share/mediawiki/vendor/pear/mail:.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in */etc/mediawiki-extensions/extensions.php* on line *4* A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. Can somebody contact the site admin? Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
Sony VAIO E14 (SVE14125CLB). Piece of cake. Everything (I need) works out-of-the-box. Don't know it BT works because I don't need it, never used it. Cheers. On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:53 AM ael wrote: > On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:56:07AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > > running Devuan is preferable. > > > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). > > I did a quick search and found www.metabox.com.au which sells Clevo > laptops: you configure them yourself and you can select > "No Operating system". See, for example, > https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b268/Metabox-Alpha-X-NH58RA-Laptop > > I have no knowledge of that company: I just did a search for Clevo & > Australia. > > Clevo laptops are sold under many different names: I think all resellers > rebrand them. I think all the resellers offer "No Operating system", so > no MS tax. Unfortunately, as yet they do not offer any Ryzen laptops, > although that could change. I suspect Clevo actually manufacture many of > the "well known" brands. > > Send from a Clevo laptop, which has never been soiled by MS, running > Linux... > > ael > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] 404 Not Found
Hi all, I'm getting this 404 errors while trying to install the kernel-headers for amd64: root@hal9000:/home/emi# apt-get update && apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 Hit:1 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease Hit:2 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease Hit:3 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease Hit:4 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports InRelease Reading package lists... Done Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-9-common linux-kbuild-4.9 The following NEW packages will be installed: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-9-common linux-headers-amd64 linux-kbuild-4.9 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 8,962 kB/9,599 kB of archives. After this operation, 52.1 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Err:1 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-9-common all 4.9.168-1+deb9u4 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.36.204 80] Err:2 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main amd64 linux-kbuild-4.9 amd64 4.9.168-1+deb9u4 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.36.204 80] Err:3 http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64 amd64 4.9.168-1+deb9u4 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.36.204 80] E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-headers-4.9.0-9-common_4.9.168-1+deb9u4_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.36.204 80] E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-kbuild-4.9_4.9.168-1+deb9u4_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.36.204 80] E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64_4.9.168-1+deb9u4_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 199.232.36.204 80] E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? What am I missing here? I would appreciate any help, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable
Less than 4 years passed and here we are: 2 stable releases. Keep up with
the good work!
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2018 10 Jun 19:04 -0500, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting info at smallinnovations dot nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl):
> >
> > > Discussion at slashdot is a waste of time nowadays (I do have a 5 digit
> > > uid from the time ./ had some merits).
> >
> > {ahem} FWIW:
> >
> > rickmoen (1322)
> >
> > Karma: Excellent
> >
> > ;->
>
> Well,
>
> Nate B. (2907)
>
> Karma: Excellent
>
> As I dilly dallied around for a few days I ended up with a four digit
> number. Had I been on the ball, well...
>
> I hardly check the site any more. Just looking at it this morning, it's
> a depressing shell of what it was years ago. R.I.P., Slashdot.
>
> - Nate
>
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Re: [DNG] Dist-upgrade to ACSII error
I just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and now my eudev version is
3.2.2-13.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:52 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> My version is 3.2.2-12 and I'm using:
>
> auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
> auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main contrib non-free
> auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main contrib non-free
> auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:42 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 01:27:31PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>> > I ran dist-upgrade to ASCII from Jessie about an hour ago, and the
>> problem
>> > it's still there.
>> >
>>
>> Which mirror are you using? The package has been in the repo since a
>> couple of hours ago. The relevant versions are as follows:
>>
>> udev: 1:3.2.2+devuan2.11
>> eudev: 3.2.2-13
>>
>> They should be available from pkgmaster.devuan.org, deb.devuan.org,
>> {CC}.deb.devuan.org and packages.devuan.org (so basically any Devuan
>> mirror(s)).
>>
>> Could you please try again and report?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> KatolaZ
>>
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Re: [DNG] Dist-upgrade to ACSII error
My version is 3.2.2-12 and I'm using:
auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main contrib non-free
auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main contrib non-free
auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:42 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 01:27:31PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > I ran dist-upgrade to ASCII from Jessie about an hour ago, and the
> problem
> > it's still there.
> >
>
> Which mirror are you using? The package has been in the repo since a
> couple of hours ago. The relevant versions are as follows:
>
> udev: 1:3.2.2+devuan2.11
> eudev: 3.2.2-13
>
> They should be available from pkgmaster.devuan.org, deb.devuan.org,
> {CC}.deb.devuan.org and packages.devuan.org (so basically any Devuan
> mirror(s)).
>
> Could you please try again and report?
>
> Regards
>
> KatolaZ
>
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Re: [DNG] Dist-upgrade to ACSII error
I ran dist-upgrade to ASCII from Jessie about an hour ago, and the problem it's still there. On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:24 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 12:55:45PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > I just had the same problem and that solved it. > > > > Thanks! > > The hack shouldn't be needed any more. There are new udev and eudev > packages in ascii, which fix the odd behaviour. Please report any > glithes. > > HND > > KatolaZ > > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dist-upgrade to ACSII error
I just had the same problem and that solved it. Thanks! On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:09 PM, John Crisp wrote: > On 23/03/18 19:45, Irrwahn wrote: > > John Crisp wrote on 23.03.2018 19:04: > >> Oooops. > > > > IIRC this is a known problem during updates that is about to be fixed > > before ASCII goes stable. > > A OK. > > > > > Please try to: > > 1. remove the transitional udev package (if applicable) > > 2. move the file /etc/init.d/udev out of the way (if present) > > 3. reinstall (or rather configure) the eudev package. > > > > mv /etc/init.d/udev /root/udev > mv /etc/init.d/udev-finish /root/udev-finish > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > That seemed to fix it ! > > Many thanks (and to Florian as well) > > B. Rgds > John > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A few days of ASCII Beta -- Some stats
I'm glad to see Argentina and Spain listed in the top ten ISO downloads. Go Devuan! On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:17 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > Dear Dev1rs, > > it has been a few days since Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta was released, and > we thought it would be nice to look at some stats we have collected on > our servers (i.e., without considering downloads from mirrors). You > find the numbers below. > > On a related note, Devuan has risen to the 11th position (it was 61st > on Feb 13th) in the weekly ranking on Distrowatch: > > https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan > > Their rough count would correspond to a normalised average of about > 1400 unique visits per day, which could probably put Devuan among the > top 7/8 on the weekly ranking by next Wednesday. Not bad at all for a > beta release :) > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -+-+-+-+- > > Number of visits to files.devuan.org: 39946 (6656 unique IPs) > Number of ISO/img downloaded (HTTP): 11725 (2047 unique IPs) > Number of ISO/img downloaded (RSYNC): ~2000 (70 unique IPs, mostly mirrors) > Number of access to the announcement: 4758 (3041 unique IPs) > > == ISO/img downloads by country (top 10) == > > 2706 United States > 1484 China > 840 Germany > 771 Russian Federation > 710 Japan > 500 India > 426 Italy > 335 France > 323 Argentina > 295 Spain > > == Access (non-ISO downloads) by country (top 10) == > > 5646 United States > 2568 Germany > 2369 Russian Federation > 1984 France > 1281 Netherlands > 1220 Ukraine > 1147 Italy > 1085 Spain > 944 Czech Republic > 823 United Kingdom > > == ISO/img popularity (# downloads) == > > 4230 desktop-live > 2812 DVD > 1169 NETINST > 661 ARM > 408 minimal-live > 376 CD-1 > 217 virtualbox > 169 qemu > 57 vagrant > > -+-+-+-+- > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Requesting translations for dev1fanboy wiki
aitor_czr, Yes, I'm working on the 'es' branch (50% done). If you like, please checkout the same branch and help me out with the rest of the documents. Besides we need a proofread on what is already translated to Spanish. Cheers, Emiliano. On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 8:29 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Chillfan, > On 19/02/18 02:33, Chillfan wrote: > > It turns out the ASCII migration page is still correct, so it's available to > translate. > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrate-to-ascii.md > > Thanks, > > chillfan > > ___ > Dng mailing > list...@lists.dyne.orghttps://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > Several tutorials have been translated to spanish: > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/tree/es/es > > Emiliano Marini? > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] chage and LXDE
Hi all, I was playing with chage in my Devuan box and noted that lxsession (or LXDE, I don't know) freezes when the user's password has expired. I think lxsession starts ok, but after entering the user's password you just get a blank screen. Maybe it doesn't have the necessary functionality to reset the user's password? In any case, the only way to solve this is to open another TTY and login. That way the user it's prompted to set a new password. Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro
Maybe future releases. On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:26 PM, zap wrote: > will gnueterics be translated into english at any point? > > On 08/02/2017 09:36 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > Not new, but now based on Devuan. > > EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for community radios > of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre and it has all the software > needed to setup a "libre" radio including Radit, Guarangoradio, > Rivendell, Audacity, Ardour and Cadence. > > Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so > it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on. > > Go check it out ;) > > https://gnuetertics.org > > Cheers, > Emiliano. > > > ___ > Dng mailing > list...@lists.dyne.orghttps://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro
Ups, sorry for not checking the list first :( On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 11:28 AM, wrote: > On 2017-08-02 09:23, Jaromil wrote: > >> On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote: >> >>Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so >>>it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on. >>>Go check it out ;) >>> >> >> >> cheers Emiliano!!! >> >> I am very happy of this :^) it is since the time of dyne:bolic and the >> MuSE Streamer software that at Dyne.org we work hard to support all >> sorts of independent radio practices. Obviously you have surpassed us >> with Etertics now and I'm very happy of that. Will recommend it around >> and we'll list it on our page soon. >> >> Happy hacking and keep up the antennas!!! >> >> ___ >> > > > EterTICs has been on the derivatives list for a long time. ;) > > golinux > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro
Thanks Jaromil, Although, I'm not the creator of this distribution, I'm only making it known. Kudos to Javier Obregón (https://diaspora.com.ar/u/jobregon) for EterTICs. Cheers, Emiliano. On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > >Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so > >it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on. > >Go check it out ;) > > > cheers Emiliano!!! > > I am very happy of this :^) it is since the time of dyne:bolic and the > MuSE Streamer software that at Dyne.org we work hard to support all > sorts of independent radio practices. Obviously you have surpassed us > with Etertics now and I'm very happy of that. Will recommend it around > and we'll list it on our page soon. > > Happy hacking and keep up the antennas!!! > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces
Thanks Jaromil, This time happened while I was out, but next time I will report it right away. Cheers, Emiliano. On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > >Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me: > > > >"Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to > >excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > >23-Jul-2017." > > > >I have a Gmail account, it's Google's fault? or maybe some issue with > >Mailman? > > I am a bit puzzled about this one, we had some reports of the problem > so far, which hasn't occurred before on any other dyne list and is not > really reproducible. > > what we notice is that our mail server is under some quite heavy load > and we are working to move it to a bigger infrastructure by september > > however it is highly available already and seems to process > everything, so I'm not really sure what is happening... any insight is > welcome. > > ciao! > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] New Devuan-based distro
Not new, but now based on Devuan. EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for community radios of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre and it has all the software needed to setup a "libre" radio including Radit, Guarangoradio, Rivendell, Audacity, Ardour and Cadence. Many Latinamerican radios are using this distribution at this time, so it's nice to know Devuan will power many community radios from now on. Go check it out ;) https://gnuetertics.org Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Excessive bounces
Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me: "Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 23-Jul-2017." I have a Gmail account, it's Google's fault? or maybe some issue with Mailman? Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"
copy&paste of one of Teodore Tso comments: So I can't speak for Linus, but the reason why I can't trust systemd is > that I don't believe that the systemd maintainers have "good taste" --- as > used by Linus in his TED talk: ted.com - The mind behind Linux > <https://www.ted.com/talks/linus_torvalds_the_mind_behind_linux> > > And it's not about how to code singly-linked lists, but as Linus says, > it's something bigger. "Good taste is about really seeing the big patterns > and kind of instinctively knowing what's the right way to do things." It's > hard to explain, other than to give examples, and so that's why Linus gave > the linked-list example and people immediately lock into that --- because > it's concrete. But the "good taste" thing is a lot more than that; it's > just that trying to define "good taste" and "good judgement" can be a very > hard thing to do. > > For me a lot of "good taste" is about adding complexity when it's needed, > and avoiding it when it's not needed. And if you do have complexity, making > sure you have the tools so you can debug things when they break. And for me > one of the things that I don't like about systemd is that it has added a > lot of complexity, and when it breaks, trying to debug it can be almost > impossible. > > For example, sometimes (it's flaky and intermittent) systemd will think > that a device hasn't appeared, when it darned well has (you can see it in > /dev), and so it will hang the boot and you can drop into single-user > shell, but there's nothing you can do to debug it --- or force systemd to > understand that, no really, the device is there, and you should let those > unit files blocked on the device dependency to start. I've ultimately > worked around the problem by removing all of my automatically mounted > partitions (except for the root partition) from /etc/fstab, and adding the > following to /etc/rc.local: > > (e2fsck -p /dev/callcc/build && mount /dev/callcc/build) & > (e2fsck -p /dev/callcc/media && mount /dev/callcc/media) & > etc. > > It's not that there was a bug, and I had to work around the bug. Bugs > happen. They happened with Sysvinit scripts, but I always could debug them, > because, well, they were shell scripts. It's the fact that systemd has > added all of this extra complexity, and there is absolutely zero way of > debugging it. For me, that's a sign of inexecrable taste. > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > I think it's clear he's talking about systemd when he says: > > "You all presumably know why." > > Plus, there is some interesting comments from Teodore Tso talking about > systemd in G+ https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/EJrEuxjR65J > > > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: > >> What did Linux mean by "init"? A lot of people use the word "init" >> synonomously with sysvinit, in which case this would appear to be bad >> news for us. On the other hand, perhaps he use "init" to mean the init >> system, regardless of brand. I can't tell from context. >> >> SteveT >> >> >> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:57:33 -0700 >> Bruce Perens wrote: >> >> > The entire paragraph is even more damning: >> > >> > And yes, a large part of this may be that I no longer feel like I can >> > trust "init" to do the sane thing. You all presumably know why. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Emiliano Marini >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > I no longer feel like I can >> > > trust "init" >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/577 >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Dng mailing list >> > > Dng@lists.dyne.org >> > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > >> > > >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"
I think it's clear he's talking about systemd when he says: "You all presumably know why." Plus, there is some interesting comments from Teodore Tso talking about systemd in G+ https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/EJrEuxjR65J On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > What did Linux mean by "init"? A lot of people use the word "init" > synonomously with sysvinit, in which case this would appear to be bad > news for us. On the other hand, perhaps he use "init" to mean the init > system, regardless of brand. I can't tell from context. > > SteveT > > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:57:33 -0700 > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > The entire paragraph is even more damning: > > > > And yes, a large part of this may be that I no longer feel like I can > > trust "init" to do the sane thing. You all presumably know why. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Emiliano Marini > > > > wrote: > > > > > I no longer feel like I can > > > trust "init" > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/577 > > > > > > ___ > > > Dng mailing list > > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"
Indeed. On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > The entire paragraph is even more damning: > > And yes, a large part of this may be that I no longer feel like I can > trust "init" to do the sane thing. You all presumably know why. > > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Emiliano Marini < > emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I no longer feel like I can >> trust "init" >> >> >> >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/577 >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"
I no longer feel like I can trust "init" https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/577 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?
I have finally migrated my first DigitalOcean droplet from Debian 7.11 Wheezy to Devuan 1.0 Jessie, and everything worked like a charm! Thank folks for encouraging me to do it ;) A production server on a Tuesday the 13th (it's the Friday the 13th for Latin Americans), call me crazy. The only thing I needed to do was to install the right keyboard layout for the console: dpkg-reconfigure locales <-- not sure if this was needed but I just selected my right locale es_AR.UTF-8 apt-get install console-data loadkeys es This way I could type correctly inside the serial console. Thanks for your help and support. Cheers, Emiliano. On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:36 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 01:29:27PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > Interesting, were they Debian 7 or 8? > > > > They must have been Debian 7 (Wheezy). > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?
Interesting, were they Debian 7 or 8? On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:50 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 12:43:34PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > Yep, but often they compile and ship they're own flavours of Debian using > > custom kernels, and pointing apt to their own repos. > > > > Have someone tried a migration to Devuan on a DigitalOcean droplet? > > > > Hi, > > I did migrate a couple of DO droplets to Devuan, about one year ago > (maybe more), and have had no problems at all. I don't remember > whether I have rebooted since the migration (the current uptime in one > of them is more than 300 days), but I guess it would not be a problem > since they seem to be using standard Debian kernels. > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?
Thanks! On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Jaromil wrote: > > dear Emiliano > > On Wed, 07 Jun 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan? > > > AFAIK the "DataCenterLight" by folks at ungleich in Switzerland runs > completely on Devuan (also the host system), but from their webpage > there is only Debian 8 offered as guest system on a VM. Not sure what > is their stage and offer, but good to contact them about details. > > https://datacenterlight.ungleich.ch/en-us/datacenterlight > > ciao > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?
Nice. On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:44 PM, mdn wrote: > > > Le 07/06/2017 16:12, Emiliano Marini a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > > I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan? > Vikings will probably > https://store.vikings.net/crowdfunding-infos > The VPS is a kvm/quemu VM > > > > I checked DO this week but they still doesn't support Devuan: > > > > https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585- > digitalocean/suggestions/9077653-support-devuan-distro > > > > I'm currently using a OpenVZ VPS and I can't migrate to Devuan. I would > > love to have my VPS running Devuan. Maybe switching to a KVM full > > virtualization VPS on my current provider (ramnode). > > > > Cheers, > > Emiliano. > > > > > > > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > -- > Note: veuillez s'il vous plaît utiliser GnuPg pour nos futures > conversations > https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/fr/ > > -If you can't compile it dump it. > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?
Yep, but often they compile and ship they're own flavours of Debian using custom kernels, and pointing apt to their own repos. Have someone tried a migration to Devuan on a DigitalOcean droplet? On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 12:09:54PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > >> I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan? > > > > > > You can rent a VPS with Debian and migrate to Devuan following this > guide: > > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/ > > > wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan > > > > Not viable on most VPS providers, specially if they use OpenVZ or custom > > kernels/filesystems on the VMs. That's only possible under a full > > virtualisation platform. > > Only if you'd want your own kernel. Debian/Devuan has pretty loose > requirements for the kernel: for jessie, it needs to be 2.6.32+, and unless > you run systemd, only a few config options are required. > > And then, requirements for a vserver/openvz/lxc guest are way less sharp > than for the host. > > Case in point: my only Devuan install is inside a lxc VM, on kernel > 4.12.0-rc3 + a crapload of patches, own config, built with a compiler not > even in jessie (nor in stretch), yet everything seems to work fine. > > And Devuan's kernel is bit-for-bit identical to that shipped with Debian: > it's not even recompiled. > > > Meow! > -- > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ A tit a day keeps the vet away. > ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ (Rejoice as my small-animal-murder-machine got unbroken after > ⠈⠳⣄ nearly two years of no catch!) > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?
Not viable on most VPS providers, specially if they use OpenVZ or custom kernels/filesystems on the VMs. That's only possible under a full virtualisation platform. On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-06-07 16:12, schrieb Emiliano Marini: > > Hi all, >> >> I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan? >> > > You can rent a VPS with Debian and migrate to Devuan following this guide: > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/ > wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan > > I did this with my VPS. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan ready VPS?
Hi all, I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan? I checked DO this week but they still doesn't support Devuan: https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/9077653-support-devuan-distro I'm currently using a OpenVZ VPS and I can't migrate to Devuan. I would love to have my VPS running Devuan. Maybe switching to a KVM full virtualization VPS on my current provider (ramnode). Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Sorry to bring this up. I just wanted to say that, after a dist-upgrade, the latest Linux kernel from Jessie backports (4.9.0) boots just fine. I could never known what was wrong with Linux 4.7. Thanks for your support, Emiliano. On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Brad Campbell wrote: > On 20/12/16 06:08, marc wrote: > >> Hi devuanfanboy, >>> >>> Thanks but no, that dind't work. >>> >> >> I have also had an interesting time getting the devuan beta to >> run with a newer kernel. >> >> In my case I have forgone the entire initrd, and built the newest >> stable kernel from kernel.org with the necessary drivers built in. >> In some kernel configurations the system boots into a blank screen. >> In others X doesn't come up. >> >> I suspect (but can't confirm) that it has something to do with how >> the framebuffer or related kernel graphics drivers are initialised. >> >> I think there was some sort of changeover between the old style >> framebuffers and simpleframebuffer ? Please regard this as a >> rumor, and somebody correct me if it is obviously wrong - as I >> haven't gotten around to looking at it more. For the record: I was >> doing this on an intel graphics chipset. >> > > Just as a test, try CONFIG_DRM_FBDEV_EMULATION=y > > I had a hells own time upgrading an older system to a newer kernel and not > getting any console until I enabled that legacy option. > > It might help, then again maybe not. Your post just triggered me to look > back through my upgrade notes. I think that came in around 4.4 (ish). > > Regards, > Brad > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A nice write-up.
Indeed :) On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Brad Campbell wrote: > On 23/04/17 17:33, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > >> www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/ >> >> > > The comments are more entertaining. > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate
Great work!! On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2017-04-21 at 18:14 +0200, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > > > Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan > > Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned, > > this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term > > support (LTS) release as well. > > Good work :) Thanks to all of you involved. I'll definitely try to be a > (more active) contributor to the ascii and ceres releases. > > Thanks a lot again. More of my boxes will be moved from Debian to > Devuan in due time. Keep up the good work! > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] /etc/debian_version
Oops, I didn't know that missing /etc/debian_version was a bug and sent a PR to certbot on GitHub to support Devuan: https://github.com/certbot/certbot/pull/4515 It failed on a fresh Jessie install because it hadn't /etc/debian_version, and I tought that was right for future releases, so I didn't want to symlink /etc/devuan_version. With a little change on certbot-auto I was able to successfuly create a Let's Encrypt certificate from my Devuan box. Cheers, Emiliano. On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > cat: /etc/debian_version: no such file or directory. > > > > I can probably put that file back, and all would be good. However, > > my question is what is still looking for that file during apt-get > > dist-upgrade, and more to the point, how can I make this message > > during upgrades stop without bringing back /etc/debian_version? > > Devuan does have already its own /etc/devuan_version which can be > symlinked from /etc/debian_version especially since the correct value > its jessie for both. > > Yet I believe we should file this as a bug as /etc/debian_version is > not there on new installs. The /etc/debian_version file is checked by > an enormous quantity of scripts in all sorts of deployements, we have > encountered this problem also with Vagrant, that I remember. So we > shall keep that file around and fill it with the Debian version we use > to fallback packages in each release, that is so far: > > Jessie -> Jessie > Ascii -> Stretch > > After Ascii is yet to be seen if we'll keep relying on Debian. > > ciao > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] On a lighter note
Well said. On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Fred DC wrote: > > > My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* > mailinglist. > > Dunno if that was supposed to be sarcasm or not ... > > The list isn't "anti-systemd" - it's pro-freedom. It's just that systemd > is anti-freedom, and so being pro-freedom can appear to be anti-systemd. > Or put another way, I don't think many (if any) list members object if > someone else wants to use systemd. We do object when systemd proponents > effectively try and force us to use that to the exclusion of (arguably) > better options. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Hi devuanfanboy, Thanks but no, that dind't work. On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, wrote: > I have one suggestion for how to fix the problem. > > Try using a traditional device node, instead of booting with the root > partition set as a UUID. The UUID may have changed over kernel upgrade. > > Have a look in /etc/fstab to find the right device node for "/" > > And edit your grub configuration line so that root= points to that device > node. > > e.g root=/dev/sda5 > > Where /dev/sda5 is your root partition. If that works to boot your new > kernel, change your grub configuration to that permanently. > > If you do need to use UUID's for some reason use the blkid command to find > out the correct UUID whilst booted to that kernel. > > Let us know if that helps. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Thanks KatolaZ, I was trying that, but once I saw "4.7.8-1" I stopped immediately because of that bug reported on the Debian bug track. It was nice learning some things though. On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:02 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 01:40:49PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > Update: > > > > I just downloaded the source code for this kernel through apt-get source > > linux and got this: > > > > root@devuan:/usr/local/src# ll > > total 92204 > > drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 dic 16 13:39 linux-4.7.8 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 2666180 oct 19 22:02 > > linux_4.7.8-1~bpo8+1.debian.tar.xz > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff88389 oct 19 22:02 linux_4.7.8-1~bpo8+1.dsc > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 91653948 oct 19 15:29 linux_4.7.8.orig.tar.xz > > > > So I think this is the same bug Daniel share: > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841883 > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience, it seems this kernel is still present in > > Jessie backports. > > > Hi Emiliano, > > I am happy you eventually found it out :) It seems that the easiest > thing is to wait for the newer version to become available in bpo. An > alternative might be to recompile the source from scratch, and get a > deb package using kernel-package. It is normally pretty > straightforward, especially if you start from an existing kernel conf. > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Ups! Reattempted running: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 Anyway, same result. The kernel won't even try to decompress the initrd. On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Il giorno Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:22:58 -0300 > Emiliano Marini ha scritto: > > > I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel. > > > > I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image... > > previously. > > > > Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested: > > > > root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo. > 1-686.emi > > > This creates an initrd file name initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi with > data > of the running kernel, which is *not* 4.7.0-0. Reissue the command telling > it to create the file with data for the 4.7 kernel: > > mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi > 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi > > (make sure 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi is the right kernel version string). > > > -- > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net > Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Update: I just downloaded the source code for this kernel through apt-get source linux and got this: root@devuan:/usr/local/src# ll total 92204 drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 dic 16 13:39 linux-4.7.8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 2666180 oct 19 22:02 linux_4.7.8-1~bpo8+1.debian.tar.xz -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff88389 oct 19 22:02 linux_4.7.8-1~bpo8+1.dsc -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 91653948 oct 19 15:29 linux_4.7.8.orig.tar.xz So I think this is the same bug Daniel share: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841883 Sorry for the inconvenience, it seems this kernel is still present in Jessie backports. Cheers, Emiliano. On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > Indeed: > > root@devuan:/boot# grep _RD_ config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y > CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y > CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y > CONFIG_RD_XZ=y > CONFIG_RD_LZO=y > CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:58 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:22:58AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: >> > I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel. >> > >> > I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image... >> > previously. >> > >> > Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested: >> > >> > root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1 >> -686.emi >> > >> > Booted using this new initrd, same results :( I'm getting tired of this. >> > >> > Didn't say this before, but things like keyboard, Ctrl+Alt+Delete, etc. >> > don't work/respond either. >> > >> >> Emiliano, I genuinely don't know what the problem might be. It seems >> like the kernel is failing to unzip the initramfs. This suspect is >> supported by the fact that your 4.6 kernel can actually proceed until >> the same initramfs gets mounted (and then it fails to mount /, since >> it cannot find kernel modules, obviously...) >> >> However, I have been using the very same kernel (the amd64 version, to >> be precise) on my own laptop for ages now, without any issue. It boots >> properly, and runs properly. The corresponding initrd is in gzip >> format, and in /boot/config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 I find: >> >> >> CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y >> CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y >> CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y >> CONFIG_RD_XZ=y >> CONFIG_RD_LZO=y >> CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y >> >> >> I assume you have checked your /boot/config-4.7.0-xx >> >> Dunno >> >> KatolaZ >> >> -- >> [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] >> [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] >> [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] >> [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] >> [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Indeed: root@devuan:/boot# grep _RD_ config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y CONFIG_RD_XZ=y CONFIG_RD_LZO=y CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:58 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:22:58AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel. > > > > I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image... > > previously. > > > > Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested: > > > > root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo. > 1-686.emi > > > > Booted using this new initrd, same results :( I'm getting tired of this. > > > > Didn't say this before, but things like keyboard, Ctrl+Alt+Delete, etc. > > don't work/respond either. > > > > Emiliano, I genuinely don't know what the problem might be. It seems > like the kernel is failing to unzip the initramfs. This suspect is > supported by the fact that your 4.6 kernel can actually proceed until > the same initramfs gets mounted (and then it fails to mount /, since > it cannot find kernel modules, obviously...) > > However, I have been using the very same kernel (the amd64 version, to > be precise) on my own laptop for ages now, without any issue. It boots > properly, and runs properly. The corresponding initrd is in gzip > format, and in /boot/config-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 I find: > > > CONFIG_RD_GZIP=y > CONFIG_RD_BZIP2=y > CONFIG_RD_LZMA=y > CONFIG_RD_XZ=y > CONFIG_RD_LZO=y > CONFIG_RD_LZ4=y > > > I assume you have checked your /boot/config-4.7.0-xx > > Dunno > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
I did purge and install the 4.7 kernel. I have recreated the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure linux-image... previously. Now I tried mkinitramfs as you suggested: root@devuan:/home/emi# mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.emi Booted using this new initrd, same results :( I'm getting tired of this. Didn't say this before, but things like keyboard, Ctrl+Alt+Delete, etc. don't work/respond either. On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:10 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:08:10AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > The 4.6 kernel could extract my .xz initrd though. > > > > Have you tried recreating the initrd with initramfs-tools? (or just by > purging and reinstalling the 4.7 kernel package?) > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
The 4.6 kernel could extract my .xz initrd though. On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Emiliano Marini < emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Alright, > > I did this: > > root@devuan:~# mkdir -p /tmp/initrd > root@devuan:~# cd /tmp/initrd > root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# zcat /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 | cpio > -idmv 2>/dev/null > root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# ls > bin conf etc init lib run sbin scripts > root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# find . | cpio -o -c | xz -9 > > /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz > 281152 blocks > root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# ls -l /boot/initrd.img-* > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14795981 dic 15 08:17 /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15916152 dic 15 07:57 /boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo. > 1-686 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16239683 dic 16 09:32 /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo. > 1-686 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11799196 dic 16 11:08 /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo. > 1-686.xz > root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# file /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz > /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz: XZ compressed data > > Sadly, booting with the 4.7 kernel and this new .xz initrd didn't work > either. > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:56 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:13:05AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: >> >> > >> > I tried the 4.6 kernel with the 4.7 initrd and it almost boot (at the >> end >> > init cannot access the root fs device). But the 4.6 kernel extracts the >> 4.7 >> > initrd and loads de init process. This leads me to think it's a kernel >> > issue. >> > >> > Tried booting the 4.7 to /bin/sh. Same results. It seems it cannot >> extract >> > the initrd? >> >> Yes, it seems that the kernel cannot extract the initrd, because (very >> weird!) for some reason the 4.7 kernel you are trying to use lacks >> builtin support to extract gzip (???). This looks pretty weird, but >> might explain the problem. >> >> You should try to compress the initramfs with either bz2 or xz. It >> seems that xz-utils is not installed in your system, so you should >> first >> >> apt-get install xz-utils >> >> and then recreate the initramfs again. If xz is available, initramfs >> should try to compress the initramfs with xz. Hopefully, the 4.7 >> kernel you are trying to install will have at least xz support... >> >> LetUsKnow >> >> My2Cents >> >> KatolaZ >> >> -- >> [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] >> [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] >> [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] >> [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] >> [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] >> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Alright, I did this: root@devuan:~# mkdir -p /tmp/initrd root@devuan:~# cd /tmp/initrd root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# zcat /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 | cpio -idmv 2>/dev/null root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# ls bin conf etc init lib run sbin scripts root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# find . | cpio -o -c | xz -9 > /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz 281152 blocks root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# ls -l /boot/initrd.img-* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14795981 dic 15 08:17 /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15916152 dic 15 07:57 /boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16239683 dic 16 09:32 /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11799196 dic 16 11:08 /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz root@devuan:/tmp/initrd# file /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686.xz: XZ compressed data Sadly, booting with the 4.7 kernel and this new .xz initrd didn't work either. On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:56 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:13:05AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > > > > I tried the 4.6 kernel with the 4.7 initrd and it almost boot (at the end > > init cannot access the root fs device). But the 4.6 kernel extracts the > 4.7 > > initrd and loads de init process. This leads me to think it's a kernel > > issue. > > > > Tried booting the 4.7 to /bin/sh. Same results. It seems it cannot > extract > > the initrd? > > Yes, it seems that the kernel cannot extract the initrd, because (very > weird!) for some reason the 4.7 kernel you are trying to use lacks > builtin support to extract gzip (???). This looks pretty weird, but > might explain the problem. > > You should try to compress the initramfs with either bz2 or xz. It > seems that xz-utils is not installed in your system, so you should > first > > apt-get install xz-utils > > and then recreate the initramfs again. If xz is available, initramfs > should try to compress the initramfs with xz. Hopefully, the 4.7 > kernel you are trying to install will have at least xz support... > > LetUsKnow > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Hi KatolaZ, It's gzip compressed: emi@devuan:~$ file /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686: gzip compressed data, last modified: Fri Dec 16 09:32:51 2016, from Unix It unpacks ok: emi@devuan:~$ mkdir -p /tmp/initrd emi@devuan:~$ cd /tmp/initrd emi@devuan:/tmp/initrd$ zcat /boot/initrd.img-4.7* | cpio -idmv 2>/dev/null emi@devuan:/tmp/initrd$ file init init: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable emi@devuan:/tmp/initrd$ file sbin/init sbin/init: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=6948872c0e5c6e1933b25bc2ae3eb8b4f9bdac19, stripped emi@devuan:/tmp/initrd$ head init #!/bin/sh echo "Loading, please wait..." # Default PATH differs between shells, and is not automatically exported # by klibc dash. Make it consistent. export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin [ -d /dev ] || mkdir -m 0755 /dev [ -d /root ] || mkdir -m 0700 /root That's the "Loading, please wait..." I never see. I tried the 4.6 kernel with the 4.7 initrd and it almost boot (at the end init cannot access the root fs device). But the 4.6 kernel extracts the 4.7 initrd and loads de init process. This leads me to think it's a kernel issue. Tried booting the 4.7 to /bin/sh. Same results. It seems it cannot extract the initrd? Cheers, Emiliano. On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 9:07 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 08:21:11AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > I've got rid of that error installing the kernel headers. But nothing has > > changed. > > > > apt-get install linux-headers-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-all > > apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > > > > This definitely looks to me as something (i.e., either /sbin/init or a > kernel module) being missing/misplaced in the initrd. Is the initrd > actually uncompressed successfully? If it is (and now I am just > wondering), is it possible that the "init" you have in there is > corrupted or missing, or instead waiting for some magic to happen? > Have you tried to pass "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel? What happens? > > Which is the format of the initrd file that is created for you by > initramfs-tools? Maybe (but this would be quite weird) that > initramfs-tools has used xz compression, and for > who-knows-which-reason the kernel does not have xz builtin, and the > kernel fails to uncompress the initrd file? > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
I've got rid of that error installing the kernel headers. But nothing has changed. apt-get install linux-headers-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-all apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > This kernel comes from Jessie backports: > > root@devuan:/home/emi# apt-cache showpkg linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > Package: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > Versions: > 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/ar.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_ > jessie-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) > Description Language: > File: /var/lib/apt/lists/ar.mirror. > devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages > MD5: 7fa644ee87a93f7ea534cf8c3ab8401b > > > Reverse Depends: > linux-image-686,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > Dependencies: > 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 - kmod (0 (null)) linux-base (2 4.3~) initramfs-tools (18 > 0.110~) linux-initramfs-tool (0 (null)) linux-doc-4.7 (0 (null)) > debian-kernel-handbook (0 (null)) grub-pc (16 (null)) extlinux (0 (null)) > firmware-linux-free (0 (null)) irqbalance (0 (null)) > linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned (0 (null)) initramfs-tools (3 > 0.110~) linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned (0 (null)) > Provides: > 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 - > Reverse Provides: > linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 > > I overlooked the output of apt-get dist-upgrade and thanks to Florian I > have found an error previous to the initrd generation: > > Configurando linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1) ... > I: /vmlinuz.old is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 > I: /initrd.img.old is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 > I: /vmlinuz is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > I: /initrd.img is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms: > Error! echo > Your kernel headers for kernel 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 cannot be found at > /lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686/build or /lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1- > 686/source. > /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools: > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub: > Generating grub configuration file ... > Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 > Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 > Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 > Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-586 > Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586 > hecho > > But I thinks this error is related to VirtualBox Guest Additions modules. > > I remember I added Jessie backports to install Code::Blocks, but now I > don't need it anymore. > > I would appretiate any help further. > > Cheers, > Emiliano. > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Emiliano Marini < > emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I would check that tomorrow because right now I have no access to my VM. >> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Florian Zieboll >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300 >>> Emiliano Marini wrote: >>> >>> > I have updated my Devuan VM: >>> > >>> > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade >>> > >>> > But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right >>> > after the GRUB menu: >>> >>> Hallo Emiliano, >>> >>> did you look into the upgrade-log for any hints? >>> => /var/log/apt/term.log >>> >>> Did you chroot into the VM and try to re-run update-grub / grub-install >>> and update-initramfs? >>> >>> Where do you get the 4.7 kernel package from? >>> >>> libre Grüße, >>> >>> f. >>> >>> ___ >>> Dng mailing list >>> Dng@lists.dyne.org >>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>> >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
This kernel comes from Jessie backports: root@devuan:/home/emi# apt-cache showpkg linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 Package: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 Versions: 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/ar.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) Description Language: File: /var/lib/apt/lists/ar.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages MD5: 7fa644ee87a93f7ea534cf8c3ab8401b Reverse Depends: linux-image-686,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned,linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 Dependencies: 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 - kmod (0 (null)) linux-base (2 4.3~) initramfs-tools (18 0.110~) linux-initramfs-tool (0 (null)) linux-doc-4.7 (0 (null)) debian-kernel-handbook (0 (null)) grub-pc (16 (null)) extlinux (0 (null)) firmware-linux-free (0 (null)) irqbalance (0 (null)) linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned (0 (null)) initramfs-tools (3 0.110~) linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned (0 (null)) Provides: 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 - Reverse Provides: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-unsigned 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 I overlooked the output of apt-get dist-upgrade and thanks to Florian I have found an error previous to the initrd generation: Configurando linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1) ... I: /vmlinuz.old is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 I: /initrd.img.old is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 I: /vmlinuz is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 I: /initrd.img is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms: Error! echo Your kernel headers for kernel 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 cannot be found at /lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686/build or /lib/modules/4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686/source. /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub: Generating grub configuration file ... Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686 Encontrada imagen de linux: /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-586 Encontrada imagen de memoria inicial: /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586 hecho But I thinks this error is related to VirtualBox Guest Additions modules. I remember I added Jessie backports to install Code::Blocks, but now I don't need it anymore. I would appretiate any help further. Cheers, Emiliano. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > I would check that tomorrow because right now I have no access to my VM. > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300 >> Emiliano Marini wrote: >> >> > I have updated my Devuan VM: >> > >> > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade >> > >> > But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right >> > after the GRUB menu: >> >> Hallo Emiliano, >> >> did you look into the upgrade-log for any hints? >> => /var/log/apt/term.log >> >> Did you chroot into the VM and try to re-run update-grub / grub-install >> and update-initramfs? >> >> Where do you get the 4.7 kernel package from? >> >> libre Grüße, >> >> f. >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
I would check that tomorrow because right now I have no access to my VM. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300 > Emiliano Marini wrote: > > > I have updated my Devuan VM: > > > > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade > > > > But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right > > after the GRUB menu: > > Hallo Emiliano, > > did you look into the upgrade-log for any hints? > => /var/log/apt/term.log > > Did you chroot into the VM and try to re-run update-grub / grub-install > and update-initramfs? > > Where do you get the 4.7 kernel package from? > > libre Grüße, > > f. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
I have recreated the initrd using: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686 Same results. Not blinking cursor after trying to load de initramfs. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:11:46PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > Nothing, > > > > I've got the same blank screen, with the not-blinking cursor on the top > > left corner, after the "loading the initrd" message. > > > > Could it be the case that the initrd is corrupted/misses something? > Have you tried to recreate the initrd by yourself? (even if I believe > that it is generated from scratch when you apt-get install the kernel > package). > > Quite strange, indeed > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Yes, I've got the same blank screen, with the not-blinking cursor on the top left corner, after the "loading the initrd" message. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Alessandro Selli < alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:14:06 -0300 > Emiliano Marini ha scritto: > > > Tried the 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae kernel (enabling PAE/NX in VirtualBox > > config) with same results. > > Did you try the debug option? > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Alessandro Selli < > > alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > > > > > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:51:05 -0300 > > > Emiliano Marini ha scritto: > > > > > > > How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any > way > > > to > > > > see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option? > > > > > > Try adding the debug option. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > > > VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net > > > Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 > > > ___ > > > Dng mailing list > > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > > > > -- > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net > Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Tried the 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae kernel (enabling PAE/NX in VirtualBox config) with same results. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Alessandro Selli < alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:51:05 -0300 > Emiliano Marini ha scritto: > > > How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any way > to > > see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option? > > Try adding the debug option. > > > -- > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net > Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Nothing, I've got the same blank screen, with the not-blinking cursor on the top left corner, after the "loading the initrd" message. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Alessandro Selli < alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:51:05 -0300 > Emiliano Marini ha scritto: > > > How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any way > to > > see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option? > > Try adding the debug option. > > > -- > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net > Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
How could I check the logs if the kernel isn't loading? There is any way to see GRUB logs besides removing the "quiet" option? Tried to reinstall that kernel image: apt-get purgue linux-image-4.7.0 apt-get upgrade linux-image-686 Same kernel 4.7, nothing changed. Thanks, Emiliano. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300 > Emiliano Marini ha scritto: > > > What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel? > > Please, check the logs of the failed boot. > > > > -- > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net > Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Nothing, Blank screen after the last grub's echo. :( On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:34 AM, wrote: > From your screenshot edit of the grub command line: > https://imgur.com/aSVp1UG > > Try removing the 'quiet' line, this should give you some output when > booting. > > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:58 PM, Alessandro Selli < > alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > > > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300 > Emiliano Marini ha scritto: > > > What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel? > > > Please, check the logs of the failed boot. > > > > -- > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net > Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
Thank you, I'll try this and see what happens. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:34 AM, wrote: > From your screenshot edit of the grub command line: > https://imgur.com/aSVp1UG > > Try removing the 'quiet' line, this should give you some output when > booting. > > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:58 PM, Alessandro Selli < > alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > > > Il giorno Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:45:39 -0300 > Emiliano Marini ha scritto: > > > What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel? > > > Please, check the logs of the failed boot. > > > > -- > Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net > VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net > Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Won't boot after dist-upgrade
I have updated my Devuan VM: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade But it won't boot with Linux 4.7, I just get a blank screen right after the GRUB menu: http://imgur.com/7NCZitR If I edit the GRUB line, it boots ok with Linux 4.6: http://imgur.com/aSVp1UG My /boot directory seems ok: http://imgur.com/2hX9DPp What could possibly be wrong with the new kernel? Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release
Of course: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/homeç ;) On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > Quoting Clarke Sideroad : > > Thank you and the whole community for this. >> I feel this distribution is crucial to the future of freedom of choice >> in Linux. >> > > Agreed, I couldn't have said it better myself. > > >> There are of course other sans-systemd distros, but IMHO this one has >> the potential to have the greatest, most widespread impact in the battle >> to maintain Linux freedom. >> >> I'm downloading the torrent now and will keep seeding this and put the >> pron on pause as long as I can. (-; >> > > Same :) > > For those of us at the back of the class (i.e. me :) ) can we update > machines "Debian-Style" by changing our apt sources.list? If so, what > needs changed? > > > > -- > |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 > |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert > |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release
Sorry: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Emiliano Marini < emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Of course: > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/homeç > > ;) > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> Quoting Clarke Sideroad : >> >> Thank you and the whole community for this. >>> I feel this distribution is crucial to the future of freedom of choice >>> in Linux. >>> >> >> Agreed, I couldn't have said it better myself. >> >> >>> There are of course other sans-systemd distros, but IMHO this one has >>> the potential to have the greatest, most widespread impact in the battle >>> to maintain Linux freedom. >>> >>> I'm downloading the torrent now and will keep seeding this and put the >>> pron on pause as long as I can. (-; >>> >> >> Same :) >> >> For those of us at the back of the class (i.e. me :) ) can we update >> machines "Debian-Style" by changing our apt sources.list? If so, what >> needs changed? >> >> >> >> -- >> |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 >> |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert >> |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Recent Security Update Discrepancy
This are great news. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Emiliano. On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:20 AM, hellekin wrote: > As you may have noticed, last week-end the security updates for JESSIE > and ASCII didn't work. We apologize for that glitch which reminds us > we're still in Beta. The problem was fixed and shouldn't happen again. > > Recent changes in the devuan-keyring package made that the secondary > instance of Amprolla that's running the jessie-security and > ascii-security sessions was failing to check the cryptographic signature > on the InRelease file, and therefore was not updating packages. > > The devuan-keyring was updated to comply to the latest format in Debian > and its derivatives that split the maintainers and archives/repositories > keyrings. > > The secondary Amprolla session configuration was overlooked and kept > looking for the key in the old /usr/share/keyrings/devuan.gpg instead of > the new /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg. > > The configuration file of Amprolla is supposed to seldom change if at > all, and the mind map of the sysadmins is now updated on this possibility. > > The failure happened on a week-end, which made its resolution much > slower than usual (about 2 days), especially as everyone is rushing to > prepare a new beta version of JESSIE that will act as an Release Candidate. > > Thank you for your patience, > > == > hk > > -- > _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] EterTICs GNU/Linux
Wow, didn't know that! Thanks Aitor. On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:30 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Emiliano, > > > > On 11/04/2016 01:00 PM, Emiliano Marini > wrote: > >> Did you know about this Devuan-based distribution? >> >> It's called EterTICs GNU/Linux, developed in Argentina, and now based on >> Devuan Jessie: >> >> https://gnuetertics.org/ >> >> It's oriented to community radios. >> >> Cheers, >> Emiliano. >> > > I downloaded the iso, but still didn't give it a try. This weekend... > > As jaromil said in the IRC channel, there are packages of > linux-libre-4.7.2 in the repos: > > https://radiosyculturalibre.com.ar/paquetes/ > > As an anecdote, the author got a premium from the Shuttleworth's Fundation > on 2015 (https://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/). > > Read here (you are from argentina; so, you understand it): > > https://radiosyculturalibre.com.ar/ > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > > > > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] EterTICs GNU/Linux
Did you know about this Devuan-based distribution? It's called EterTICs GNU/Linux, developed in Argentina, and now based on Devuan Jessie: https://gnuetertics.org/ It's oriented to community radios. Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Amazon Linux AMI and systemd
Still without systemd up to this date: https://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-ami/2016.09-release-notes/ I wonder what their plans are about it. Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] GDBus error in LXDE desktop
Just selected "LXDE" during Devuan installation. It uses slim (Devuan's default, right?). I'm amazed how fast Devuan starts using LXDE and uses only 243MB of memory to get the desktop up and running! I'm creating a Devuan appliance for my students (to teach C and assembly), so I need a tiny iso/vdi/vmdk file to simplify sharing it. Cheers. On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:31 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi Emiliano, > > On 08/11/2016 02:00 PM, Emiliano Marini > wrote: > > ore information on this: > > root@devuan:/home/usuario# grep GDBus -A 3 -B > 3*/home/usuario/*.cache/lxsession/LXDE/run.log > ** Message: autostart.vala:42: Autostart path > :*/home/usuario/*.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart > ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching lxpanel > > ** (lxpolkit:2179): WARNING **: Unable to register authentication agent: > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Cannot determine user > of subject > ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching pcmanfm > ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching xscreensaver > ** Message: options.vala:107: Create build-in Clipboard > root@devuan:/home/usuario# > > > Are you using a login-manager (like slim, lightdm...), or are you trying > it with startx (xinit) ? > > Aitor. > > > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] GDBus error in LXDE desktop
Solved disabling Polkit agent in LXDE configuration: https://postimg.org/image/5tymnm8l7/ Justo open "Preferences > Default applications for LXSession" and got to "Core applications" tab, then clear the "Polkit agent" field and close the window. No more warnings on next boot. On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > More information on this: > > root@devuan:/home/usuario# grep GDBus -A 3 -B 3 /home/usuario/.cache/ > lxsession/LXDE/run.log > ** Message: autostart.vala:42: Autostart path : /home/usuario/.config/ > lxsession/LXDE/autostart > ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching lxpanel > > ** (lxpolkit:2179): WARNING **: Unable to register authentication agent: > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Cannot determine > user of subject > ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching pcmanfm > ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching xscreensaver > ** Message: options.vala:107: Create build-in Clipboard > root@devuan:/home/usuario# > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Emiliano Marini < > emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Aitor, I've searched the gitlab to post this, but didn't found >> nothing related to LXDE. >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:49 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >> >>> >>> On 08/10/2016 07:50 PM, Emiliano Marini >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry but it's ok to report bugs on this list? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Emiliano. >>> >>> >>> LOL, of course... I think so :) >>> >>> Aitor. >>> >>> >>> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] GDBus error in LXDE desktop
More information on this: root@devuan:/home/usuario# grep GDBus -A 3 -B 3 /home/usuario/.cache/lxsession/LXDE/run.log ** Message: autostart.vala:42: Autostart path : /home/usuario/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching lxpanel ** (lxpolkit:2179): WARNING **: Unable to register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Cannot determine user of subject ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching pcmanfm ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching xscreensaver ** Message: options.vala:107: Create build-in Clipboard root@devuan:/home/usuario# On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > Thanks Aitor, I've searched the gitlab to post this, but didn't found > nothing related to LXDE. > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:49 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > >> >> On 08/10/2016 07:50 PM, Emiliano Marini >> wrote: >> >> Sorry but it's ok to report bugs on this list? >> >> Cheers, >> Emiliano. >> >> >> LOL, of course... I think so :) >> >> Aitor. >> >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] GDBus error in LXDE desktop
Thanks Aitor, I've searched the gitlab to post this, but didn't found nothing related to LXDE. On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:49 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 08/10/2016 07:50 PM, Emiliano Marini > wrote: > > Sorry but it's ok to report bugs on this list? > > Cheers, > Emiliano. > > > LOL, of course... I think so :) > > Aitor. > > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] GDBus error in LXDE desktop
Just had this error starting LXDE for the first time: https://postimg.org/image/qr34b416j/ Sorry but it's ok to report bugs on this list? Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] read-only filesystem using NETINST inside VirtualBox
Solved enabling "Host I/O Cache" in the SATA Controller attributes.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Sorry,
>
> This is VirtualBox's fault:
>
> 00:16:08.595972 AioMgr0-N: Request 0x0814cbd900 failed with
> rc=VERR_TRY_AGAIN, migrating endpoint /.vmdk to failsafe manager.
> 00:16:08.890843 AIOMgr: I/O manager 0x08212fa4a0 encountered a
> critical error (rc=VERR_FILE_AIO_NO_REQUEST) during operation. Falling back
> to failsafe mode. Expect reduced performance
> 00:16:08.914567 AIOMgr: Error happened in /wrkdirs/usr/ports/emulators/
> virtualbox-ose/work/VirtualBox-4.3.38/src/VBox/VMM/VMMR3/
> PDMAsyncCompletionFileNormal.cpp:(1664){int pdmacFileAioMgrNormal(RTTHREAD,
> void *)}
>
> https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46722
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Emiliano Marini <
> emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Devuanites,
>>
>> I'm trying to netinstall inside a VirtualBox VM and the root fs gets
>> mounted read-only while extracting the base system:
>>
>> https://postimg.org/image/j8l7vp6uj/
>>
>> https://postimg.org/image/hiwepyw6d/
>>
>> https://postimg.org/image/pkk3j9q6d/
>>
>> This is where it all starts, unpacking util-linux:
>>
>> https://postimg.org/image/dd2b549q3/
>>
>> It tried it two consecutive times with same results :(
>>
>> The virtual machine's disk is SATA.
>>
>> Can anybody give me some hint on this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Emiliano.
>>
>
>
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Re: [DNG] read-only filesystem using NETINST inside VirtualBox
Sorry,
This is VirtualBox's fault:
00:16:08.595972 AioMgr0-N: Request 0x0814cbd900 failed with
rc=VERR_TRY_AGAIN, migrating endpoint /.vmdk to failsafe manager.
00:16:08.890843 AIOMgr: I/O manager 0x08212fa4a0 encountered a critical
error (rc=VERR_FILE_AIO_NO_REQUEST) during operation. Falling back to
failsafe mode. Expect reduced performance
00:16:08.914567 AIOMgr: Error happened in
/wrkdirs/usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose/work/VirtualBox-4.3.38/src/VBox/VMM/VMMR3/PDMAsyncCompletionFileNormal.cpp:(1664){int
pdmacFileAioMgrNormal(RTTHREAD, void *)}
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46722
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Emiliano Marini <
emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Devuanites,
>
> I'm trying to netinstall inside a VirtualBox VM and the root fs gets
> mounted read-only while extracting the base system:
>
> https://postimg.org/image/j8l7vp6uj/
>
> https://postimg.org/image/hiwepyw6d/
>
> https://postimg.org/image/pkk3j9q6d/
>
> This is where it all starts, unpacking util-linux:
>
> https://postimg.org/image/dd2b549q3/
>
> It tried it two consecutive times with same results :(
>
> The virtual machine's disk is SATA.
>
> Can anybody give me some hint on this?
>
> Thanks,
> Emiliano.
>
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[DNG] read-only filesystem using NETINST inside VirtualBox
Hi Devuanites, I'm trying to netinstall inside a VirtualBox VM and the root fs gets mounted read-only while extracting the base system: https://postimg.org/image/j8l7vp6uj/ https://postimg.org/image/hiwepyw6d/ https://postimg.org/image/pkk3j9q6d/ This is where it all starts, unpacking util-linux: https://postimg.org/image/dd2b549q3/ It tried it two consecutive times with same results :( The virtual machine's disk is SATA. Can anybody give me some hint on this? Thanks, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list
Well, either case is embarrasing. If the network is up after the user logins, that's ridiculous, even Windows start his services before the login screen. If NM, thus the network, is *slow* to start, that's worse! Isn't supposed systemd would speed up the boot process? This is worse than the "kill user's background processes after logout" case. Thanks for sharing. On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > > On 15 Jul 2016, at 18:10, Emiliano Marini > wrote: > > > Are you serious network isn't started before user login? This is... You > can't be serious. Link please? > > Ah, I'd mis-rembered the thread. The frontend was consistently not > starting. > > http://lists.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2016-July/387810.html > > > For me on Mythbuntu 16.04 it looks like the network is slow to start > because > > the network interface details are not set by the NetworkManager software > > until the user-login is complete. > > Now whether that's because it doesn't start until user login, or because > it's been set to auto-login at start and the network manager is just slow I > don't know. But it's fail (by some definition of fail) that it's even > starting login before the network is up (by whatever definition of up you > use). > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list
Are you serious network isn't started before user login? This is... You can't be serious. Link please? On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Jaromil wrote: > > >> Hi, over on the Samba mailing list, somebody asked what > '--with-systemd' was > >> for. It has now degenerated into a discussion on how to get systemd to > start > >> the 'samba' deamon, > > There's also been a short thread on the MythTV mailing list about how to > get the MythTV Frontend to only start after there's a working network. It > started with a user reporting that after upgrading his MythBuntu install > the Frontend would sometimes start properly and sometimes start into the > setup screen (which is what it does if it can't find the backend) - with no > apparent pattern as to when it does or doesn't work. > Of course, the upgrade put SystemD on the machine. > > The fun part ? For some reason that must have made sense to someone, > networking is only started when the user logs into the desktop. WTF ? So > the suggested fix is to disable the network manager and manually configure > the network via /etc/network/interfaces. > > > > said by a Samba developer , this is priceless > > > > """ > > You have your opinion and I have mine and my opinion (for what it is > > worth) is that systemd is something that is looking for a problem that > > doesn't really exist and then fixing the problem in a totally insane > > way. If systemd was just another init system and was easy to change then > > I wouldn't mind, but it keeps gobbling up things that have nothing to do > > with an init system and is becoming extremely hard to remove. > > > > As far as I am concerned, this ends this conversation, you have my > > opinion and nothing will change it, so don't bother trying. > > """ > > Yes, a brilliant response > > > besides, people at Samba are very good and well seasoned coders. They > > haven't only managed to reverse-engineer a closed protocol and make an > > open source daemon which is massively used and works across all major > > operating systems. Some of them are also responsible for developing > > rsync, which is... well before it existed the world was different. > > > > I have massive respect for them and I'm not surprised someone among > > them has such an opinion of systemd. > > +1 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Samba in Debian Wheezy
This security update broke my Samba servers in Debian Wheezy. DO NOT upgrade samba until it reaches LTS. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/06/msg00057.html Cheers, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...
+1 On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Since programming is done by people, who often have a motive behind > their actions, the question as to why this is happening is not > technical, but sociological. The new 'winds of change' that are > affecting free unix like OSs like Linux, are powered by a deep belief > that users are often unwilling to make the least of efforts to > understand what goes inside their computers. Furthermore, 'modern' > computer users are those who use a computer for surfing the net, write > emails, watch youtube, listen to music, and maybe, to sometimes use a > wordprocessor to write a short document. The technical weirdo is left > for 'gurus' who are often seen as people without a social life and > sometimes even who have difficulty socialising. > > What I am noticing on this mailing list, is that discussions that > often are related to sociological situations are often seen as purely > technical. > > Follow the money to understand why all this is happening. More users > mean more customers, more customers mean more support, and finally > more support means more gain. > > I firmly belief that those who are implementing these changes > understand the shortcomings of their new solutions, but they are paid > to implement them, and pay is much more important than all > philosophical and technical reasons put together. After all, it is > money that counts. > > > Edwad > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Sparse thoughts
> > Devuan is not "against something", but "towards something else". +1000 On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 4:25 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > Dear fellow Devuanists, > > I just wanted to share with the list a few sparse thoughts, resulting > from the events of the last few days. You should read a clear "IMHO" > after each period, since these are my personal, humble, minuscle > thoughts, which you are free to ignore altogether :) > > First, I haven't said that yet, but I am obviously very happy that > Devuan Jessie Beta is finally out, and extremely grateful to the > people in the development team that made it possible, and to the > people in this list who have supported them, in a way or another. We > don't forget that the overwhelming majority of the Linux world has > always been quite skeptical about Devuan, labelling it as a "futile > effort" by a "band of neo-luddites", and that the large majority of > commentators, experts, gurus, and fanboys gave Devuan "just a few > months" before the whole wagon would disappear to /dev/null. Devuan > Jessie Beta is another proof that the majority is quite often wrong: > definitely more than a few months have passed, and Devuan is here, and > is here to stay. > > We are all proud of this milestone, but we should be very careful not > allowing pride to make us blind. > > The release of Beta was managed very carefully and professionally, and > was overall a success, but we should learn from the few things that > were not as perfect as they could be. > > For instance, several small glitches could have been avoided easily: a > few typos in the official announcement, a few typos in the official > webpage (see for instance the "mirrors" vs "mirror" in the package > source URL), a few inconsistencies in the documentation put online, > and so on. These are all things that undermine our public image, and > unfortunately many people want to ruin Devuan's image, for a reason or > another. Maybe for the future we might have a larger number of people > checking this stuff before an official press release comes out. I > volunteer from now to help in "typo-hunting", and I will start with > our website (which is *beautiful*, BTW). > > Talking of Devuan's image, I really appreciated that the release of > beta was not accompained by trumpets and drums, which helped giving an > aura of "well, this is what should have naturally happend, right?" to > the whole process. I have to admit that I was also a bit disappointed > at first in noting that most of the community out there had barely > noticed it. In the end, I concluded that this should not be a problem > for us. Let's face it: Devuan *is* a niche, a minority, an effort that > goes in a different direction from "mainstream", and there is nothing > wrong about it. The most important thing is that *we*, the > *Devuanists*, had something to celebrate yesterday, a great operating > system to use from today, and a solid project on which to build > greater things for tomorrow. All the great things started from niches, > minorities, contrarians, and *evolution* alone, not PR, has eventually > determined which of the many niches would survive. > > Finally, about evolution, I have seen several hundreds posts on reddit > and slashdot by people who "fight" to show that systemd is evil while > Devuan is "the right thing". I would humbly recommend people to avoid > wasting their energy in such useless chit-chatting. No informed > opinion by a tech-savvy will convince me that systemd is good, and the > same is true in the other direction. Devuan is not "against > something", but "towards something else". The things that will allow > Devuan to remain alive will be a reliable distribution, a large user > base, a thriving community. *Evolution* has already sweeped out > thousands of distributions, and will sweep out thousands more in the > future. Only those which are fit for the purpose they target will > survive, whatever is the opinion of the majority, or of their > supporters and fanboys. So it's better to put our efforts towards > building a stronger, better, fitter Devuan, since our opinions about > Devuan will not save it from oblivion. > > Now off to work to release Jessie stable ASAP. > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] > [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] > [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie - beta release announcement
Thank you very much for this Beta release. Go Devuan! On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Go Linux wrote: > On Fri, 4/29/16, Harald Arnesen wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie - beta release announcement > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, April 29, 2016, 7:07 AM > > >> Veteran Unix Admins [2016-04-29 13:32]: > > >> Debian GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd, on its way to > ^^ > >> become much more than that. This Beta release marks an important > >> milestone towards the sustainability and the continuation of Devuan as > >> an universal base distribution. > >> -- > >> Hilsen Harald > > > > Oops . . . This announcement definitely should have been passed by some > proofreaders. It is a little ragged and really could have used a cleanup > for spelling and ESL issues. There are those of us who are here to do that > but this is the first I've seen it. So much for 'team' effort . . . > > golinux > > PS. Apologies for being annoyed at this less than perfect unveiling of > the Beta. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
Nice work, really. It looks beautiful! On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 1:29 AM, hellekin wrote: > For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you > have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues?label_name=A11y > > If you have impaired vision, please consider: > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues/46 > > == > hk > > -- > _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
+1 Besides, * and [] are interchangeable. You can define a string as an array and use it later as a pointer: char s[] = "hola"; char x = s[1]; // Here x = 'o' char y = *(s+2); // Here y = 'l' And vice versa: char *s = "hola"; char x = s[0]; // Here x = 'h' char y = *(s+3); // Here y = 'a' On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Rainer Weikusat < rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > Edward Bartolo writes: > > > Hi, thanks for your help. > > > > So: [ I am recalling this from memory to test where I am ] > > a) type* pp; // declare a pointer pp > > b) *pp = RHS; // assign RHS to the data pointed to by pp > > c) type **ss; // declare a pointer to pointer. System only allocates > > space for one address > > (1) Background > -- > > The C type system is built around the idea that certain kind of types can > be > derived from already existing types. These are pointers, arrays (and > functions, but I'm going to omit them for simplicity). Eg, assuming type > identifies and existing type, > > type *pt > > declares a pointer to objects of type type and > > type at[3]; > > declares an array of objects of type type. When an object is defined, > the system allocates storage for it in some suitable location, eg, on > the stack or by reserving a register. > > (2)Typedef names > > > It's possible to create a new name for an existing type with the help of > typedef, eg, after > > typedef int *pint; > > pint can be used as type name to mean 'pointer to int'. Eg, > > pint pi; > > would define an object of type 'pointer to int' (the compiler will > allocate storage for). > > Pulling this together > - > > Assuming pint is declared as above. As per (1), new types can now > derived from it, eg, > > pint *ppi; /* "Dear customer ..." */ > > This defines a "pointer to pint", hence, the system allocates storage > for one. But that's really the same as > > int **ppi; > > which is handled in exactly the same way: An object with a pointer type > derived from some existing type is defined. Hence, storage for a pointer > is reserved. That the existing type is itself a pointer type doesn't > matter, for the given purpose, it's just 'some type'. > > > > f) strings are character arrays, so they obey the rules governing arrays > > They're really pointers to character arrays. Because an array is > converted to a pointer to its first element most of the time, a > character array, say > > char chars[] = "12345"; > > can be used as if it had been declared as a pointer. There's one > important difference: > > char chars[] = "12345"; > > cause the compiler to reserve six bytes (five chars + terminating 0) in > some location the program can write to. Afterwards, > > *chars = R; > > could be used to change the string to R2345. In contrast to this. > > char *chars = "12345"; > > causes the compiler to allocate storage for a writable char * and > initialize that with the address of a string literal which is not > required to be (and usually won't be) writeable. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
Exactly, any local variable comes off the stack, but I was talking about pointers :) On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:23:16 -0300 > Emiliano Marini wrote: > > > Edward, the only time the compiler allocates memory for data > > automatically is when using strings literals (as stated by Rainer > > previously) > > > > char *p = "Hola mundo." > > Also when you have a struct as a local variable: > > struct my_cool_struct mystruct; > > Like the char pointer, it comes off the stack, not the heap it would > come off if you used malloc(). > > Actually, any local variable allocates memory off the stack. Consider: > > int number_of_people; > > The preceding allocates sizeof(int) bytes, for number_of_people, off > the stack. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > March 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business > http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
Edward, the only time the compiler allocates memory for data automatically is when using strings literals (as stated by Rainer previously) char *p = "Hola mundo." This is because strings are a special case. https://www.cs.uic.edu/~jbell/CourseNotes/C_Programming/CharacterStrings.html On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi and many thanks for the replies, > > I can understand that a pointer being an address depends heavily on > machine architecture which means, on 32 bit machines it is 4 bytes > long and on 64 bit machines it is 8 bytes long. I also understand that > a pointer variable is essentially made of two parts as illustrated > below: > > address [always allocated] --> data [not allocated > automatically] > > The address does depend on architecture but the data? And what else > can enter into a pointer's definition other than what I illustrated? > > Compound/complex pointer definitions like data_type** U, work as > follows as far as my intellect can reason and deduce from what I > studied and from my now long experience coding. > > address1[allocated] -> address2[NOT allocated] -> > data_type[not allocated] > > My mistake was to assume in the case of data_type** U the compiler > would allocate the two addresses and link them, that is, store the > address of address2 in address1. The latter is not the case and a > coder is required to first allocate space for the 2nd address. In > fact, allocating space for void** ptr, in a sample program worked > without issues. I am attaching this sample program. > > Edward > > On 29/03/2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Hendrik Boom writes: > >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 02:46:50PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >>> This is a wrong assumption and it relies on behaviour the C standard > >>> doesn't guarantee. Any pointer may be converted (it's even converted > >>> automatically as required) to a void * and back and > >>> > >>> "the result shall compare equal to the original pointer" > >>> > >>> But a pointer to a void * is an entirely different animal and no such > >>> guarantees are made for that. This will work in practice if there's > only > >>> one 'machine pointer type' anyway, though. But using it is not > necessary > >>> as void * is sufficient. > >> > >> Last time I looked at the C standard (which was a while ago, things may > >> have changed) function pointers were not guaranteed to be > >> interconvertable with data pointers. > > > > Indeed. I didn't remember this while writing the text. > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
+1 On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:04 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 09:16:22AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi and many thanks for the replies, > > > > I can understand that a pointer being an address depends heavily on > > machine architecture which means, on 32 bit machines it is 4 bytes > > long and on 64 bit machines it is 8 bytes long. I also understand that > > a pointer variable is essentially made of two parts as illustrated > > below: > > > > address [always allocated] --> data [not allocated > > automatically] > > > > The address does depend on architecture but the data? And what else > > can enter into a pointer's definition other than what I illustrated? > > > > Hi Edward, > > sorry but your description is incorrect. A pointer in C is just a > variable large enough to contain a memory address. Period. There is no > explicit or implicit linking between a pointer (which is a variable > large enough to contain a memory address) and the area of memory it > points to. You may have several pointers pointing to the same memory > area. You can have the same pointer (i.e., the same named variable > able to contain a memory address) pointing to different memory areas > at different times. You can use a pointer to wander around an > allocated memory area at your will, changing its value by using the > powerful pointer arithmetic provided by C. You can also have some > allocated memory area for which you don't have any pointer at all (and > this is what is called a "memory leak", and you should avoid it). > > Also, memory areas are not "typed" in C, meaning that you can in > principle access a correctly allocated memory area with pointers of > any type, the only problem being the semantics of pointer arithmetics, > which is entirely left to the programmer. > > But please forget any implicit linkage between a pointer (the > variable) and the memory area it points to (i.e., the address > contained in that variable), as you don't assume any intrinsic link > between an integer variable and the possible values that the variable > can contain. If you don't break this spell, you will never get around > with C pointers. > > Pointers are just variables which are able to contain memory > addresses. What you put in those variables does not bother them in any > discernible way. And shouldn't bother you either, as long as you be > careful in using them to refer to correctly allocated memory. SIGSEGV > is the alternative. > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] > [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] > [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
This is correct: int **L ===> Address1(preallocated) -> Address2(not allocated) -> > int (not allocated) > When you declare a variable, the compiler will reserve memory space to store it. No matter how may asterisks a variable has, from the compiler's view it's only a memory address. So it will reserve space to store an address: int *x; x will store a memory address, so the compiler has to reserve 8 bytes (amd64) for it. Conclusion: the size of a pointer will be always the same, no matter what is pointing to (an integer, a char, an address...) On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > As far as I know, the compiler automatically allocates memory for the > address where a pointer is saved. The unallocated part is the data > attached to a pointer. What happens with a pointer to a pointer like > void**? Does the compiler allocate memory for two addresses with the > first one in the chain pointing to the second one? Does it allocate > memory only for the first address? > > What I can say about pointers: > > a) int * K ===>Address(preallocated) ---> integer > [ not preallocated ] > > b) void** V ===> Address1 (preallocated) --> Address2(preallocated) > > OR: > > void** V ===> Address1 (preallocated) -> Address2(not preallocated) > > ? > > c) int **L ===> Address1 (preallocated) -> Address2(allocated) > -> int (not allocated) > > OR > > int **L ===> Address1(preallocated) -> Address2(not allocated) > -> int (not allocated) > > By 'preallocated' I mean the compiler will automatically generate code > to allocate memory for the actual pointer not the data. > > d) Is this allowed: void***, int***, double***, etc? > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
Exactly, to modify a pointer you need a pointer to that pointer. Remember
in C, function parameters are "read only" because they're always copies of
the calling variable's values.
This is wrong:
function abcd(void *p) {
p = malloc(sizeof(int)); // Memory leaking
*p = 1;
}
main () {
int *p = malloc(sizeof(int)); // [1]
*p = 0;
abcd(p); // Sends a copy of the value of p
// p is still pointing to memory reserved by [1], so *p equals 0
}
This is OK:
function abcd(void **p) {
*p = malloc(sizeof(int));
**p = 1;
}
main() {
int i = 0;
int *p = &i; // p has the address where i is located
// Here *p is 0
efgh(&p); // Sends a copy of the address where p is stored
// Now p is pointing to some address in the heap segment, and *p is 1
}
IMHO you need to be careful when allocating memory inside functions. In
some cases it would be a good practice checking the value of the pointer
before allocating (!null) to avoid memory leaking. However, if you look at
this last example, p is pointing to local memory, and you can overwrite
it's value safely (so checking if p is not null before allocating wouldn't
be any help).
But, if you call this function twice, you will leak memory:
efgh(&p); // [1]
efgh(&p);
// Now you can't free the memory reserved at [1]
Cheers,
Emiliano.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for dedicating some of your time to answer me. I used:
>
> void change_value(void** ptr)
>
> Because I wanted to enable myself to allocate memory for the pointer
> inside the function, therefore I needed a pointer to a pointer of type
> void. Void allows such a function to handle different data types in
> which case an ordinal typed parameter may be used to allow a switch
> statement within the function to handle the different data types. I
> used such a construct in Delphi Pascal in the past, and consider it a
> powerful feature that can have its uses. This is why I am anxious to
> comprehend the why behind pointer to pointer use.
>
> This is a program employing the use of a pointer to change the value
> of a parameter inside a function.
>
> #include
> #include
>
> int afunc(double* dd) {
> *dd *= 2;
> }
>
> int main() {
> double* mm;
> mm = malloc(sizeof(double));
> printf("value of mm after creation, unassigned: %f\n", *mm);
> *mm = 1.0;
>
> int j;
> for (j = 1; j <= 20; j++) {
> afunc(mm);
> printf("value of mm after function call %d: %f\n", j, *mm);
> }
>
> free(mm);
>
> return 0;
> }
>
> I will post tomorrow a reply illustrating the allocation of memory to
> a pointer within a function. This means the function must be able to
> modify the pointer not only its data. For that I will probably need a
> pointer to a pointer or use typecasting with a standard data type
> having the same number of bytes as a pointer. The reason for this is
> the fact that a pointer is a number.
>
> I found using the return value of a function makes code much more
> readable and probably more reliable. Multiple return values can be
> encapsulated inside a structure which would be returned by a function.
> I used this construct in simple-netaid-lightweight which avoids the
> use of GtkBuilder.
>
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Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
I was wrong because in this examples p was a pointer to int. Sorry, I was thinking on something like this: int *p; *p = 0; Cheers, Emiliano. On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > You're right. > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Rainer Weikusat < > rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > >> Emiliano Marini writes: >> > char *p; >> > p="01234"; /* skeezy, but makes the point */ >> > >> > Warning! Here "p" is pointing to nowhere, you don't know which memory >> > locations are writing to. >> >> The 'memory location' (if any) reserved for the pointer p itself by the >> compiler, IOW, this is totally correct. >> >> > >> > char *p; >> > *p=malloc...* >> > p="01234"; /* skeezy, but makes the point */ >> >> And this is a memory leak as the pointer returned by malloc is >> overwritten. >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
You're right. On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Rainer Weikusat < rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > Emiliano Marini writes: > > char *p; > > p="01234"; /* skeezy, but makes the point */ > > > > Warning! Here "p" is pointing to nowhere, you don't know which memory > > locations are writing to. > > The 'memory location' (if any) reserved for the pointer p itself by the > compiler, IOW, this is totally correct. > > > > > char *p; > > *p=malloc...* > > p="01234"; /* skeezy, but makes the point */ > > And this is a memory leak as the pointer returned by malloc is > overwritten. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
The main difference here is where you are storing the value "2000".
In the first example, p is located in addresses belonging to "main" memory
space (the stack presumably, beacuse "main" is the first function called
upon start). You are passing the memory address of p (where p is located)
to the function "change_value". The function assumes the memory address you
are passing it's valid (meaning that it can be written safely). If you call
"change_value" with null or with an invalid address (an address outside of
all segments) you will cause a segfault.
In the second example, "change_value" creates a new memory space (in the
heap) to store "2000". This means you aren't "changing" anything. Every
time you call "change_value" it creates a new """instance""" of "2000".
Plus, if you don't free p before calling it again ("change_value(&p)"), you
will be trashing memory (memory that cannot be released later, because you
don't know their addresses).
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As the title of the email indicates, I am doing some exercises to make
> sense out of C pointer syntax. I have been using pointers for as long
> as I have been programming without issues, apart from the usual
> initial programmatic errors when new code is run for the first time.
> However, C pointer syntax is proving to be as unintuitive as it can
> be. For this reason, I am doing some exercises regarding C pointer
> use.
>
> I am attaching two short C programs that I created and which I tested
> to work although the mechanism by which they work is still somewhat
> hazy to me. Both programs use a function to change the value of a
> parameter. I want to understand, as opposed to knowing by rote, the
> mechanism why they work. Please note that I didn't consult any books
> to create the pointers. This is because I have already the concepts,
> but I cannot make sense, as in deeply understanding the details, of
> pointer syntax as used in C.
>
> Edward
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Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
char *p;
p="01234"; /* skeezy, but makes the point */
Warning! Here "p" is pointing to nowhere, you don't know which memory
locations are writing to.
char *p;
*p=malloc...*
p="01234"; /* skeezy, but makes the point */
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:51:19 +0200 (CEST)
> k...@aspodata.se wrote:
>
> > Rainer Weikusat:
> > ...
> > > One thing to note here: Every C pointer is really a pointer to an
> > > array of values, although the size of the array may just be one.
> > ...
> >
> > I thought it was the other way around, a pointer is just an address to
> > some (a single) memory location which can be part of an array
>
> You're both right. A pointer is definitely an address of a single
> memory address of a single byte or char or int or whatever, but that
> single memory address *could* be the first element of an array, thus
> defining the beginning location of the whole array. And of course the
> end of the array must be defined by a second pointer, an integer
> length, or a sentinel value such as '\0' or NULL.
>
> char *p;
> p="01234"; /* skeezy, but makes the point */
> printf("p points to char %c\n", *p);
> printf("p indicates start of string %s\n", p);
>
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: [DNG] no downtime registered [was: Devuan mirror down]
Sorry, missed Jaromil message. I know understand files.devuan.org has no HTTPS suppport at this time. The problem is browsers default to HTTPS when opening a new URL. Inspecting the HTML source code of files.devuan.org, links in anchor tags have no protocol associated. So, I think changing this: 00_README.txt For this: http://*files.devuan.org/00_README.txt ">00_README.txt Will solve this issue. But, you really need to adopt HTTPS ASAP, because once you open one page over HTTPS browsers will cache it, and you can't go back to HTTP (unless you clear your browser's cache). Tell me if you need help with Let' Encrypt. I have successfully installed Let's Encrypt certificates on my site and I posted about this on my blog (Spanish): https://www.linuxito.com/seguridad/616-como-obtener-un-certificado-ssl-gratis-de-let-s-encrypt https://www.linuxito.com/seguridad/647-como-renovar-un-certificado-de-let-s-encrypt Cheers, Emiliano. On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > Port 443 is refusing connections: > > root@linuxito:~# nc -vv files.devuan.org 80 > files.devuan.org [104.236.249.173] 80 (http) open > ^C sent 0, rcvd 0 > root@linuxito:~# nc -vv files.devuan.org 443 > files.devuan.org [104.236.249.173] 443 (https) : Connection refused > sent 0, rcvd 0 > > Maybe it's something firewall related? Are you filtering based on source > IP on your firewall? > > Cheers, > Emiliano. > > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Micky Del Favero > wrote: > >> Corrado Primier writes: >> >> > I can confirm this from at least one of my systems, while it's ok from >> > another. >> >> For me first attemp to load http://files.devuan.org/ using chrome (http, >> not SSL) is ok, but at first click i've redirected to https that refused >> connection, then trying to connect to http://files.devuan.org/ redirects >> to https://files.devuan.org/ that refused connection. Also on >> http://packages.devuan.org/ i've experienced the same issue. >> >> If I try using w3m instead of chrome I've no problem (no forced redirect >> to https). >> >> If I try to load https://files.devuan.org/ using w3m goes bad (also from >> an OVH box): >> >> micky@maya:~$ w3m https://files.devuan.org >> w3m: Can't load https://files.devuan.org. >> micky@maya:~$ >> >> it seems that there's no server listening on port 443. >> >> I'm in Italy, my providers are ASDASD (http://popwifi.it) and Digital >> Combel (digitalcombel.it that's using McLink's IP). >> >> Ciao, Micky >> -- >> The sysadmin has all the answers, expecially "No" >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no downtime registered [was: Devuan mirror down]
Port 443 is refusing connections: root@linuxito:~# nc -vv files.devuan.org 80 files.devuan.org [104.236.249.173] 80 (http) open ^C sent 0, rcvd 0 root@linuxito:~# nc -vv files.devuan.org 443 files.devuan.org [104.236.249.173] 443 (https) : Connection refused sent 0, rcvd 0 Maybe it's something firewall related? Are you filtering based on source IP on your firewall? Cheers, Emiliano. On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Micky Del Favero wrote: > Corrado Primier writes: > > > I can confirm this from at least one of my systems, while it's ok from > > another. > > For me first attemp to load http://files.devuan.org/ using chrome (http, > not SSL) is ok, but at first click i've redirected to https that refused > connection, then trying to connect to http://files.devuan.org/ redirects > to https://files.devuan.org/ that refused connection. Also on > http://packages.devuan.org/ i've experienced the same issue. > > If I try using w3m instead of chrome I've no problem (no forced redirect > to https). > > If I try to load https://files.devuan.org/ using w3m goes bad (also from > an OVH box): > > micky@maya:~$ w3m https://files.devuan.org > w3m: Can't load https://files.devuan.org. > micky@maya:~$ > > it seems that there's no server listening on port 443. > > I'm in Italy, my providers are ASDASD (http://popwifi.it) and Digital > Combel (digitalcombel.it that's using McLink's IP). > > Ciao, Micky > -- > The sysadmin has all the answers, expecially "No" > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] files.devuan.org not working
http://files.devuan.org As far as I can see, HTTPS is down: root@linuxito:~# nc -vv files.devuan.org 443 files.devuan.org [104.236.249.173] 443 (https) : Connection refused sent 0, rcvd 0 On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Nikolay Hristov wrote: > hello, > > is there any other place i can download iso images? > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apt-file "Ignoring source without Contents File:"
Ok, no problem, thanks for your reply Daniel. On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 12/03/16 01:30, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > Maybe someone can help me. > > > > I usually use the apt-file tool to know from which package a file comes > > from. This works for me on Debian, but on Devuan apt-files tells me this: > > > > root@devuan:~# apt-file update > > Ignoring source without Contents File: > > http://br.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/Contents-amd64.gz > > Ignoring source without Contents File: > > http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/Contents-amd64.gz > > Ignoring source without Contents File: > > > > > http://br.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-updates/main/Contents-amd64.gz > > root@devuan:~# apt-file search mysql_secure_installation > > E: The cache is empty. You need to run 'apt-file update' first. > > > > I'm behind a HTTP proxy but apt-get it's working ok. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Emiliano. > > > We don't yet provide the contents or translations yet for /merged repo. > It's on the todo list for amprolla. > > Regards, > Daniel. > > -- > Daniel Reurich > Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. > 021 797 722 > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Assembly resources
+1 On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > Here are even more: > > Info on SysV ABI: > http://www.x86-64.org/documentation/abi.pdf > > amd64 registers: > http://www.logix.cz/michal/devel/amd64-regs/ > > x86 opcode and instruction reference: > http://ref.x86asm.net/ > > Thanks to genss from LQ. > > All links are collected in the thread > on LQ: > > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/assembly-resources-4175573485/ > > Mitt > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] apt-file "Ignoring source without Contents File:"
Maybe someone can help me. I usually use the apt-file tool to know from which package a file comes from. This works for me on Debian, but on Devuan apt-files tells me this: root@devuan:~# apt-file update Ignoring source without Contents File: http://br.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/Contents-amd64.gz Ignoring source without Contents File: http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/Contents-amd64.gz Ignoring source without Contents File: http://br.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-updates/main/Contents-amd64.gz root@devuan:~# apt-file search mysql_secure_installation E: The cache is empty. You need to run 'apt-file update' first. I'm behind a HTTP proxy but apt-get it's working ok. Thanks in advance, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Assembly resources
Maybe the C compiler adjusts what registers to use for C code to avoid conflicts, or saves his registers on the stack before the assembly code. I'm just guessing, I never embed assembly code in C programs. On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 08:55:20AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > But be aware that gas is the one GCC uses for in-line assembly embedded > in > > C programs. So, if you are planning to embed assembly instructions in C > > code, you will need to learn gas syntax. > > I've always wondered how the C code generator manages not to get > confused between the registers I use and the ones it allocates. > > -- hendrik > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Assembly resources
You welcome. BTW: about debugging with ddd, you have the (huge) manual here http://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/manual/pdf/ddd.pdf Or a nice quick guide here http://cs.smith.edu/~thiebaut/classes/231_0708/doc/quickstart.html Greetings, Emiliano. On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > Thanks for the advice and the links, Emiliano. > I appreciate it. > > Peace, > Mitt > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Assembly resources
Honestly, I use yasm because it was Teacher's choice before I was a Teaching Assistant. Anyways, yasm supports gas and nasm syntax, and multiple binary object formats. yasm/nasm use a syntax similar to Intel's, and gas uses a syntax similar to AT&T. It's a matter of taste but, to me, AT&T it's less readable. Check this page: http://www.imada.sdu.dk/Courses/DM18/Litteratur/IntelnATT.htm I think you should pick the one with the syntax more comfortable to you. But be aware that gas is the one GCC uses for in-line assembly embedded in C programs. So, if you are planning to embed assembly instructions in C code, you will need to learn gas syntax. Check this other page for more info: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/X86_Assembly/x86_Assemblers Maybe yasm/nasm (Intel's syntax) is more adequate to learn/teach assembly, and gas to production (again, if you are planning to embed assembly in C programs, and you are using GCC). Thanks for sharing those links. Cheers, Emiliano. On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > Emiliano Marini wrote: > > > >I teach assembly, but x86. I use yasm to compile and ddd to debug. > > >You can start with this: > > > [...] > > > Thank you, sir, that's galore. I myself found asm.sourceforge.net > and dugan from LQ recommended me http://programminggroundup.blogspot.ca/ > > Why do you use yasm? If we consider the three, gas, nasm and yasm, > which one is, say, preferred by many and why? > > > Mitt > > P.S. Accidentally sent this to dng dash request at lists dot dyne dot org. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Debian 6.0 Long Term Support reaching end-of-life
> > I am sure that the best Debian ever is yet to come, and it's name will > be Devuan Jessie :P > +1 On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:19 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 09:01:38AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > Debian 6 LTS has reached EOL yesterday: > > > > https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160212 > > > > The best Debian ever? > > If I should cast a vote for the best Debian so far, my vote would go > to Sarge, even if Woody will always have a special place in my > memories. > > I am sure that the best Debian ever is yet to come, and it's name will > be Devuan Jessie :P > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] > [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] > [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Assembly resources
I teach assembly, but x86. I use yasm to compile and ddd to debug. You can start with this: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs216/guides/x86.html http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/manual/html/manual.html http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sergey/cs108/tiny-guide-to-x86-assembly.pdf http://cs.smith.edu/~thiebaut/classes/231_0708/doc/quickstart.html http://leto.net/writing/nasm.php http://docs.cs.up.ac.za/programming/asm/derick_tut/ http://syscalls.kernelgrok.com/ http://fresh.flatassembler.net/lscr/ Cheers, Emiliano. On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 09:07:01PM +0800, Brad Campbell wrote: > > > > I started with the 6502 and a dead tree of the Apple ][ ROM source a > > couple of moons ago. That was so much more pleasant than x86 > > assembly, but that method works just as well. > > x86 has an ugly machine language, and with all the modification > prefixes, it has become uglier still. The ARM processors seem to mme > to be nicer, though I haven't had a chance to generate code for them yet. > > -- hendrik > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Debian 6.0 Long Term Support reaching end-of-life
Debian 6 LTS has reached EOL yesterday: https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160212 The best Debian ever? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd==bad according to Mark Twain
Nice quote. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:04:11PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Steve Litt writes: > > > > [...] > > > > > Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section on > > > debating Poettering himself, and that section refers heavily to the > > > video you mention: > > > > > > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/systemd/debating.htm#debating_poettering > > > > Hmm ... the way to debate people who simply cook up whatever bullshit > > suits them is "You don't" as that's a hopeless quest: Refuting bullshit > > usually takes some amount of research and will end up in a complicated > > statement someone who isn't an expert in the subject matter likely won't > > understand (and if that someone was such an expert, he wouldn't have > > fallen for the BS in the first place). Bullshit can also be taylored to > > the preferences of an audience while statements of fact can't, hence, > > the audience will usually like the BS (and the guy who utilizes it) > > better. Lastly, this is an eternal uphill battle because someone who > > isn't overly concerned with technical accuracy and logic can cook up > > more bullshit much faster than it could be refuted. > > Mark Twain said it thus: > > “A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on > its shoes.” > > -- hendrik > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
