Re: [DNG] Why no ipv6 privacy extensions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 24. Aug 2018 um 3:02 schrieb Gregory Nowak: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 09:44:08PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > I disable ipv6 since there is no reason for me to use it (and my isp > > doesn't offer it anyways) but I noticed that there is a lack of ipv6 > > privacy extensions enabled in devuan and I believe this is an issue. > > This is inherited from debian. Also, those installing devuan on a > router/server system and running radvd will not want privacy > extensions enabled by default. Well, if you install a router/server, you want to explicitly disable privacy extension. That is more secure as the other way around. On my router, I have the following rules: -A FORWARD -o eth0 -m eui64 -j log_REJECT Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlt/vDwACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwXrgwAuYzRodj9U8wiiFjZlWoAl+lU6uOSkIljjeT3qoUwEAh/i7RlzI8p2kym /Vk4T4lEn8mdmzCgiFUiErt4nWlpUQ9brwVED2Qa3kAOiI99LZGgPiRAJJIvWkud FhEge+d76pOe2e9MoYvo6UZetDk5XpITWdKoo5OBfzTgYGeg9IfrYjJObMkILV9F 4rvngz10QR2ZGNoVoOY2U+Skp3N4Xhb5dGwWwvk/oOGCd0D4GWgdBXq66fxXjbR8 8aAojrHTD2S94mEEFDo6IQGvfDnyTr/dgQJq4Bik/rZ0rj/3nU0UATecY2d1NRgd GZjgWi/gcEcCW9qu0gMTHysrOV3YxIGjjJmySXpGVmvWp3m0JzNEX4ZPm2dJt1O0 6ximmqGnOrPChxDscs0LFbgWZAzzAZ6SWzZYwSB/0pSqUIButxTHF6KoP3gsn+Yv 46S8Vh5TO6AcCTyqn4P89Il+oZP+nOi6r6+pABxHIZG3RmkQwfNG/nO+Pv6scitN 8MpYlvOJ =XcZF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd and ssh-server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Do den 26. Jul 2018 um 14:23 schrieb Lars Noodén: > Looking at the DSC files, it seems that the culprit is either gnome or > ssh-askpass-gnome or both. > > Is there an alternative ssh-askpass-* graphical utility likely to be > more portable which can replace it? Well, I use gpg-agent instead of ssh-agent. That is a better way to handle keys and allows more control for about how long you allow the keys/pass to get cached. And gpg-agent uses pinentry that is available in many flavours. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAltZzDIACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyPwAwAo2lVEwrIAUK07cHvz6B/XcTBrc1yC6/qYZZjofb78MUz6nN+NfZz9kwP 1YZZMRMmVUn4H4Ek4RxKoi6jm2ZanbA/oWxwA5ATdMF7QlJeErNnExqA9BYQTYv8 Ur8uqRtyg4BJp38R2W95ru0M44jjYxARYgg87pI7twc14qy/SCc4MG2d9xnr7vBb Rc0dANwHS+6gv6gKWbF52ZrQxqQMTvDL4OFXluqZ/GxLcdDw5vYMR3zrc6gvNuar 4jX4lWJj1bhQ3ndEe3HFld0MAvtgHubNsxekaqNsnxoXfbTyRiN9MGFCDdvL6zhc ZwDgTlhmWtrNY89aTb0ME9WlVGtSj+XkctLb3kwtnTSbsNzN52+mHRFCiQkr8iJ+ Z1Uoskxux9ORFnt8A4MCfuPdXVamxONlM8lFgWIbXikKqFSuv3gjRwYoW1wN28PE WpeK6iN6/oL3gxzHdVITqj2hcW7zZAo6C3kKqHv7dgXCupIpyctPep/PK8Bhu6zv sdpgEszO =+QjX -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd and ssh-server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 23. Jul 2018 um 14:24 schrieb Rolf Schmidt: > I would ask, if it is true, that the openssh-server still needs > libsystemd0 in ascii? > > Can I expect e fix? If you trust me ( :-D ) you can use my package[0]. It is the debian package cleaned from systemd, the disastrous patch introduced by debian to lower security (user-group-patch) and two other small patches that are not accepted upstream. The most active dist is sid and ceres but I also have 1:7.4p1-11+securityfix1 for ascii and stretch. Regards Klaus [0] deb ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security sid unofficial-secured - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAltZxgoACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qynIwwAszwMF1AJ7F81nP205pvCSgN3mCPGKKQin8gDNhy2ltQonhB8QT85yUk5 XBe8S7Aqz5OgIByriBoe7if2xX2uWTVDLsFni5MJD2BYTwX8kG77ksYnXx7MhLFd RFNNK6JTKcYMMZqniDI4LSAu6WdlHS0Kqw6Lxw6FOZz7Qrh7vanj+elW3ncQGL/I aDaBLG/BnO5mfrdszMMPKDcdOkcwTeBjALXqppNzXkFrvGLiOu0roMWTsrEzxEYB ym9PX3tiSxp0K0aUyZ3L0fFpTN7+0QADrTLp03PaeFR4WgRsW8qF2CktKbQq0srF gmnz5DyVjgnTn8NfoPrdgbfhaZhulc8UIbtNPncvLdFNxvdDsH5CO0W27LqsLObW Rn+ockWovVCXlOscs4EescBKoRAbbONDO8KsIciiXCQhfLvDBARnHTG/2zxXv6Hx BeNfSvCVzCt1Jbt+X3W7xlQN9Fk8nFk30CsoPJn8ugFsNJzkzAOhC8vsLtVSDbcr nl+GzVao =YKjn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Unbound and EUI addresses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, recently I started logging and blocking EUI-64 addresses out of my network. For long time now I have privacy extension enabled on all interfaces. But what I seen is that unbound seems to not care about privacy extension and uses always the EUI-64 address for outbound requests. There seems to be no way to configure unbound to not use that address except to manually configure a outbound address via outgoing-interface. This seems to be a special Devuan (and Debian) problem as my Gentoo box seems to be ok. Anybody an idea why and how to solve it? ~> grep . /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/use_tempaddr /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr:2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/default/use_tempaddr:2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/use_tempaddr:2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/lo/use_tempaddr:2 ~> cat /etc/network/interfaces ... iface eth0 inet6 auto privext 2 ... (you can also use "pre-up /sbin/sysctl --quiet --write net.ipv6.conf.eth0.use_tempaddr=2" instead of privext. Currently I have no more ideas how to solve that. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAltEWWoACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qw5/wwAp8QJUZBci9VFGRDvXfOOcHWOHbSAEKA4QcdOnOPQUkUxqPpz7NNq2a6V SsZUp5GBuKWZeSStGCqqtA/VXOuVTUFbiL6N/13kBOzoGm4VTy/ig6Bjd3pZfr7Z fHCZLJQnvFN4/nkAmF57E9U5bmP35vjPgxcYpo6yqYCHX0XNKkdl5XhUmjrDiozo 2K8Ahwb97iE4WNucgNPaA/2kyANxD8f31QwoyaL0E6iS78RzTIoqghamkGUwEVpG y4LjcWaleENULAhrylpw2LbejQFPWfkC1y2BrPpz0atV1hVVaM+whRfjo6K/of7Z eM8Ur6DouC0bfXgXoGLVNTMwaEPDu4L30ea29uoBaQnG6K1Ii53Z31XKOPqHlJYZ z29wkrSUFnUpq9ty8qGuQEyAkfZ8/mlLc4CH4dg6l7t05Ifs4V/DbR+9POlaU6Bn Vx1djV+LKq9jBspQpHMbmMdl+/vYD8jNhrcaSM2iq2hrOoQntN0NaFJA9QGHFt9a nUhuBUIW =kv5F -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Solved: Can't disable touchpad under openbox (karl schattschneider)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 18. Jun 2018 um 16:14 schrieb karl schattschneider: > ??? ??? ITE Tech. Inc. ITE Device(8910) id=12 [slave > pointer (2)] [...] > Finally xinput set-prop *12* "Device Enabled" 0 did what I wanted to > achieve. When I found out that this was only valid for the current session I > just put the command in a shell script which is called from my ~/.xinitrc. xinput --disable 'ITE Tech. Inc. ITE Device(8910)' or xinput set-prop 'ITE Tech. Inc. ITE Device(8910)' 'Device Enabled' 0 Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlsoBwkACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwlRwwAp98y8veZqTqwEAN0nhDe5ReBqefbtj+CvSS3Zjm5CZlfKedViJzNjaIM sT9UU+5iWcPDuhcPqC2CJU7fxh5MEE8RAAMVQW/LaOmDYscAToThwt+gqWSI/urJ 5E1/cWd8s2O2oTPPgH5KZzWxQlxsnblBuTKkGtzWIsdOKzeilSqMBak2Zo/AGNrk ofdjoXo5urdUXpSq12m9gyYtHClqtbskO8bl7vzbmQWJTMYvSoBy9xbuIDSHoxI8 xPTj5OjYdnYJfS2R1It66Sk/s9FEqoGztka29EG2Cq+oJNp6gGhWcfeGTVYK3ieC zs2fWfcwtFiAwVE9E2Za7F4Tj5OkcjSf6PMzMWAg+w/hBXPWAO2BB40xIHr7Wa2u qqHBG3BF4KAAW9Pxe4NuepaJVWkwoPuhC1870csMWWZb4O0MiedBOUUg4pLQSp2n Y+nhtf1r/WS4RIUT7yq5NjLzZgv7lzlzn3in0ImSBRANesYNWdsrUcZrezOP+BQj gcBiSk8V =qv2T -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] procps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, for version 2:3.3.12-3 of procps, Ivan J. did a fix in devuan to not depend to libsystemd. Now, we got the updated version 2:3.3.12-4 from debian and there is a new version 2:3.3.13-1 in queue. When updating the system with 2:3.3.12-4 coming from devuan, it pull in all systemd dependencies. Could you please fix that again? Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlrDRRAACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qy5+QwAgrxcdGDpvc2r2+zge3NObCB6WGbt2rL661J5xIAdFtWxClQg1p5Kq/Ca DTzKsnIu84x4mtiNEGNPryb3QJ2MF7AWrjXPBFlJB2oINZvjZ6sgIymFauQNSnPX 7vlEUOe4UTvbBu/sR6LQaGq91gdWO5uIXeMs/0kjnghLVVhFa6wnfLGeG5JT1Ny1 GTMCbzhd5W/7wB5iivnwg/7sUL8u/BFHCgWq6N/LHPx3JYEIWJbNC+8KMLzNiQ4M aXvzUuFlS6cAyLTo2xxCyCXPVE8wPAwO2dS7j7F6LajBJji7EpPKoCeYfziyHSm/ 2+fBdFXdzdqMrqZkrOHWbEE71mapDxXIzl+7jLFHBoJLJ9xakX20n3kxwo7xK/+j y68MlyryocEsSjUGZdxc2x1cdoRV0vPgFumzoqM7TunUrwYcCZKkOzqw9UxfMTny Npi/yzQM4eb6gfm55R5XOQ8jvnKY5bFT7O6fg6ZsyomGW2NS7drrHXiO25dkE0Rj KTiCcBom =7Zw7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am So den 1. Apr 2018 um 15:14 schrieb fsmithred: > > In fact, debian did intentional break libpopt as the version in ascii > > installs to /lib but the version in ceres installs to /usr. [...] > Nothing installs to /lib anymore, because it's just a symlink to /usr/lib. > You can get this on ascii with a debootstrap install. Well, that is only true if you have the pöttering usrmerge package installed. If you do a minimal ascii bootstrap, you don't get infected by that package. The pöttering followers invented that to break all installations with separate /usr. In fact, that package damages your whole system sustainably. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlrA7LsACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyUAQwArmzzoYg/ATNV7yll7FP2rnR6SJOAlqhBLIlr76YjoD6hiUVkam7QqTfy i42F1mKKTPEoL49dBaWxbWCLCoB9QBDmmnzweqmrqHCUNOVSt6jy7IyqxsYPfsjD ifbHPcEvHx67fWwgWUeZjJCkjGlNrecFIEdg4j8gybBB8eaBmW0Y322FaIXwFtTg WD2/QJsCw4XrVWdXTfqgv4He+x5tKp5DXM3oqRc3ZYBO5a5lkjiilSllLzVEjZYe zKxUOGRPDmxOtG8MQetdV/80q81Tw9UQNYS2vBgPZoyNAadkwT6sXzRFYjE8zD1U EEplrqSbz9wLxDQGNcD4Sp0yo9lvXCKejWlPR7sdOFNLPhz1X2qFJNREKGYNOKRa XIm8Sy6+M38lmmQs8Yf6i8DnpI7oAJJvPdN2wt4UMZjLEaIzdY38VYsoyoh0vPC6 Vuz8W1QWjQuPsbOLqRzeg8eyg8z9c96q2k4Xw2nSeT7MKt/Zk20ApeHvi/KrHN3B 4yPlMESC =YUyP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am So den 1. Apr 2018 um 9:59 schrieb Klaus Ethgen: [libpopt and libargon] > I run ceres. ascii is not affected. In fact, debian did intentional break libpopt as the version in ascii installs to /lib but the version in ceres installs to /usr. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlrA4IAACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwETAwApT2xYs0D3vJgpeEwV0wzqfxVhmKzknQi3fuRWGOzUb9TRtzjwIIK53gp kXWVYiDv/nEiJNVxlPImytCR+xrxmw68oarxejz6Cpr1BOtVZ14Wki0RXqxIdxL6 94z7fZJ2FSj5E9GegDHDrABkYuM/Tj+SelUSc+SnvElx0NugToEdAQp634m71NWS 50WHy6S1+rvrost3ruuolOUK9SPx+o59VRoGUQspdCURIOy03ZoN0GN3yLw2JMga d4+2xYiFronmE3sNU8A22my+B+Cpa1LPX2l3idT0Jkcl4BcWAO2iTfB7Yk305fcH mxbZ1O1lyfADl1PxrvCIVGD9h0hD3a77wowB3cznEgE/bb1yoxgmJDlLg9rlA2Hd RuYm0NguCHN65tL6bWWknCqL2QuGTOyfp56/xYzCFwFgKQIJ1M1augoaYgi4gDSj 07zoL9sSezSBjHWwBvqGd9VcsalvJfbyJcCEO/8ZC3l85kAw432LdYDC3PACQM+t qFVHvzTh =Pi8v -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Sorry, resend to dng@lists.dyne.org Am Fr den 30. Mär 2018 um 20:29 schrieb Alessandro Selli: > On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 at 15:22:21 +0100 > Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > Hi, > > > > recently, debian patched the use of two libraries into cryptsetup, > > libargon and libpopt. Both are living under /usr. > > > > That leads to unbootable system when /usr is on separate partition and > > you using disk encryption (or even having /usr on a encrypted > > partition). This bug happens with or without initrd. > > I am not affected and I do use initramfs. What release od Devuan are you > runnning? You are only affekted if you have separate /usr and encrypted partitions that are decrypted in boot (like /home or even the whole system). I run ceres. ascii is not affected. And yes, this bug was introduced by debian, not by devuan. But devuan took the package from debian without a change. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlrAn4QACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qynRgv+LIC7Adqc5Ye4U67tHHbKrV6EaElLM5JOT7ALJ3UdmeevsMfN9ARmABHL 5fziZgkF4Ooz1a5x7ts1nllMrnFp0rUXva6k6hCwqfcoVKP2mkP0xeMBnrzlnCMT b248HWnLMq85A3gro6VmQqxvXq0gGKjbuzhcqpjGqRbE33ZO8Iej3YDeCmMti7sG YnRNMBfiMrhF3YqclBDx0TP3/XeTBdV15Y/tOTz+nyx1APthY8lQddvsuxiFID9m eUmWDSsGFQ4HZ7XRdOP3Br5ugKgsnQR+nrs6o967jH31h2zE6EXWi2LP/Ujio5+O 0fNbyjBUtYw89Bdcl1TTHVc01hMBTsSACuNzngNComyJ/bEOGbtY4eweDD7i1MCt MiyjjgcHUlK+EqD3KGHoM0LOOvIP3vH4SBntxbGdYC0aTcY1jKldc3fiobHPfpWz 9tl6k9mv44wGo7/HTi2nCgaMhyCWT0UTHK7M5njSFnmmSd6NKyM2n+xXO5zsYKwI bIJgevjs =PTDQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, recently, debian patched the use of two libraries into cryptsetup, libargon and libpopt. Both are living under /usr. That leads to unbootable system when /usr is on separate partition and you using disk encryption (or even having /usr on a encrypted partition). This bug happens with or without initrd. Debian does not care anymore if the user system is bootable or not but this change got into devuan too. Could you please fix that by one of the following: - - reverting the patches that brought this library linking into cryptsetup if it is not needed or - - Move that libraries to /lib I will also file a bug report. But give me some time to find out how, or is the reportbug tool now usable? Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlq+SBEACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qy5GAv+OyJOJCa8FfudfCBz40f4JM5Llwo4w4Kdk4pfQOGaCL27/gsE/3lUz7JK 6lhd0PP8Grpcnx420Sbuw+A9HITPq+lAHAV68wxpxNd7gg7BGDmS06gU5r1BsmqO xk1y/276D4j7B1t46p4H0x/ers1xib6c/rj+XIMDqyPIwyAK226F7KQsqVsXgd2b h3VAj6OIRatmfZDBoTUA5y2lBFozycjWV17KOzxylxglOrxUH7F1og2JiBzgXypT hJ62XKWDTPFqNgk7vE/p6qXvJB07P7HPDQJLlAV1UDTTqPOrJeNn7wf/WNwBpI9Y S/AWJJZltoWKMqlBPiE3Zzlzuzwne0+WK/zbYUhFoHp1ZvKJzfbIyuXRvPf2N9T3 pdOFkokhGS1ud1WfX2xa+8Tijg67Eofvr1DDmmO3AKQEZkE8PR/BzqzBqY4tbecC Q3RIncZlibg8l+SfMAuPeaRVJHchr3Fdyj5Jb82ZKNgG/ULhEqfCqfgjQXlc++hK 0DD1S1S4 =x9vo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Debian systemd arrogance
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I just found today the post[0] of Petter Reinholdtsen, one of the sysvinit maintainer of debian. While I agree that it is good that they migrate to git, I hear the arrogance in "and there probably will be until systemd start working on Hurd and FreeBSD." and "Surprising as it might sound, there are still computers using the traditional Sys V init system" Regards Klaus [0] http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/The_SysVinit_upstream_project_just_migrated_to_git.html - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlqJTUwACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qw/ogv+LnmkqXcVkxTBx4jvu1jeLtF6PnXQreR/33KQ8pjae9gAKSrWBvgrDq0G 7IheCeru5y3FYwT4OcZlCDE8URH2d0G+LgoSmrf9XEStjzWfhxnRwm7m7LjOGhhQ rukRwu8nCztgyAQUJ6ZvcyhAOZI2wOGdN6OaM7Y2ETTjoafvP3N62BQAR3T+zrC/ X8+fFQNpzMYDRXibdkCB0uK6tZ+Bhquhw4xvu7R2+SKNAC1yz3rJ8QJ4F2O2pd5L GuMS9lXofQyFg+v5HIyOzR5EvM+LErAAHR5564xTXvfW00/jxd9Zx1q7v3B2LkTA 104CRYxLq9ZYbRjzwF5BiRrLQWj5K/ZwiqtaEm96s9DeJaAhVOz1QiVdqJmmGQrB 5d1L0Ivhob9BEQzOFq/lfAEfrHGWTucqiJGLDBbP0c5NSMQcIUjx5nMHosGmsrqV HP2wQWq2HdpfLLOPYEAYGBv8NJT6qMY+MDxeefLKPCFjTuM3sunwn0h+KqfjGxHU sLX3pKCE =zRjE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Grave bug in procps, depending on systemd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, please answer on the list. Am So den 11. Feb 2018 um 8:59 schrieb KatolaZ: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 08:50:09AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > The new procps 2:3.3.12-4 depend on systemd what leads to a unbootable > > system. > ceres provides 3.3.10+devuan1.0 for amd64, armel, armhf, i386, so if > you don't mix debian and devuan repos, you'll get the correct version, > that does not depend on systemd. Well: ~> apt-cache policy procps procps: Installiert: 2:3.3.12-3+devuan2 Installationskandidat: 2:3.3.12-3+devuan2 Versionstabelle: *** 2:3.3.12-3+devuan2 500 500 http://packages.devuan.org/merged testing/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2:3.3.10-4+devuan1.0 500 500 http://packages.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages ~> apt-cache policy libprocps6 libprocps6: Installiert: 2:3.3.12-4 Installationskandidat: 2:3.3.12-4 Versionstabelle: *** 2:3.3.12-4 500 500 http://packages.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2:3.3.12-3+devuan2 500 500 http://packages.devuan.org/merged testing/main amd64 Packages ~> ldd =ps ... libsystemd.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 (0x7f62ff567000) ... liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1 (0x7f62fed09000) ... That new package came from devuan. And it is in fact libprocps6 that is broken; what comes from the sam source package. It IS depending on systemd now and the system IS prevented from boot. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlp/+V4ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qz8rgv6A/aoekeCAJZ4ItEFmyG7uLwcFkn7lIEBAHVgMbA530Xgq+V+QQHb2ZZK EqKjrfD/uhA5IwOGUoQfnB77CV51Bncat/0KIuZ3Mefalv+UAQfs3nqQTi8AdzT+ EOeuX/EkGNcDiDjIbYF+YtGgHLH3EGI1LDdedx82oHe+6XcGuSsde3XUs0We8lLi KCVX0YQpLxr2hYYK5pgfXALXELiNvepzFbzRcpi4v93zO1kTQYO4A5ZUNVww+2uY D4QGF0q6248vgM4veSuu8w89pL5rx9Ajly1+gbNMoQOOxGRuhl+sFo/NJjI4VY5d mXMLyHZyHzQFXoqMCyGxj+rOX/bSWV+eFsHqm2svR2lM8CLHgrtGQ13uvBXDuLdh w562qr/D2fRb/qCHcrioj58E/wrM92NayLs59fMLHEsEML3fWDbBHYQd2pvrA7gi D9Q15DiQn5Hc+qotQ60D9vqWc9EekmNBiI3GuHXHfhtQo/uXeIc+Yrre29qP3frO 8k+E7zaa =AvSD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Grave bug in procps, depending on systemd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, The new procps 2:3.3.12-4 depend on systemd what leads to a unbootable system. I already filed a bug but had to do manually as reportbug wanted to send to debian. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlp/9bAACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qzhggwAvIFOwCVfPGZsfHUvgCHM03Ex8pqBsenaFje0OZFxdHqClYWC6zxyDHh/ PCBoa2Vc/3UtMmad5v5JRdqKf+Y9ESBDtOLkXqXD9CHW2dMPaWS6tfMzqjyGel9q fxcsW1vPXZQi40yh/Ahlom2RWVCG7CRwq5/bbJMZb7MFpawgTDd8nWKH53Zg4dKr Wtg5MNlkQGgvAoYBLTQUKwmJ9S5BwzMJOG7QVh9KtGpXuVSn1BZbJLcUmW+H5WSM fe4kAAGSLf1xHBWs0qWvRholYC3PzsAK2SulMtrZU7cPklUflif7DEowTb1Vjt3v hv7fkT7S2rOD3zZvYQKAt8T86Vo6DY0R9j5EB6nQPi74x5Yy8ecAG5yHSdzEkH1y TVp5O8fulAh+KqUohA2PJflrafPsBcplfcr0bYFZPMaB7tsl3YqyyGbMSYBkgirq 1bXrJpmOKoWfD6hPNCYx9OB/hlDTV9yBPhhli0z7sFo38e6lmabip1pAtcPl8gHi SmQe/mQV =Lmc9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Suspend
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am So den 14. Jan 2018 um 0:17 schrieb Adam Borowski: > But, what is your reason to run a _laptop_ this old? I expect these to be > barely functional. Well, why to buy a new one when the old is good and fast and have proper interfaces (like VGA to connect to my beamer) and so on. My X61s and T43p are way enough to run in my environment. Even more, they have no camera or other spy stuff. And the keyboard is much, much better than the keyboards on all newer laptops that seems to be invented by Apple. Clear, if you want to run Gnome on it, ... But who want's that? For my setup with fvwm, to watch movies or use a browser or do some hacking it is way enough. And Firefox is even slow on my i7, There is not that much performance difference on that laptops. Gruß Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlpbWZEACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qxTJQv/bRfsSB3B4CbUqXiV/0h3XgoxWDLjQL0dEHLOi1lpjFJC9b1HYT+1GFim tCj7q6fmwxzdQtfLfPnW3RnmuYzUWvxlfKzxbLgEkS9LvkDOIA7A6csnmxVeyUUA FsFHFUz/oAIR5YWu6Y0eCWtREOwhiqT5VVM/MW8IzCb9ZqpL+idXtsCMr3VvO3CI E2MMbTETZLf8VAym9qDy+czYA+WEUtFPjHMKD1vRHKmNTm+k1fOG2sMbMX4HpbYe 8X21ZUYFvrZf43GjJCqCUbEfQo6/GK+zMadEH8F+NXO8qeCNPABzvBN6uyg6Yquh cb+v//1pdk3LNCxuPNOcmhveJ9jkbGyF73vPUkl2A3Wq0Sq8c3B052q8GT6Ugzm4 2Rg74oFtwVO66zd1Oj03Qy5yuQtUFsaAVnazFCWHAZEH6s5ULe1kzIZksFnknDlY 0Do8AFOyJJm1KDZgKavofFsIAd785U1VgUp2tRnd+RhCIb8N4Rv573QasgRSQWMu Ezl7tsNa =b6AS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Suspend
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I have a rather strange behavior recently with suspend. I usually suspend all my laptops to ram. I have two laptops, one with custom kernel (4.14.12) and one with the usual ascii kernel 4.14.0-3-686-pae (now). Both are ascii and both are 32bit. Since few weeks, the laptop with the distribution kernel shows a strange behaviour. When I send it to sleep, it starts enabling the xscreensaver (I use wdm and fvwm) then kills the X so I get the wdm login dialog. Now the system stays up with the sleeping LED blink. Nothing more happens now, I can login; even via ssh; and do stuff. But when I do a reboot or halt at that point, the system goes to sleep instantly. When I wake it up again, it does perform the reboot/system halt. The other laptop with my own kernel works fine. So I suspect that one of the latest kernel updates did something that prevent a clean suspend. Any one an idea? Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlpaf2QACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwGIwwAj0xbI2NV0KmMfE8VlnMlwVEejI2y6Zovf7d+WC2twE3VqDD27Gcg10QY 4yLb1O8bHAvJA5GJCfASf53FskQzcNFIw9mT95gn0DR85QQyeZR7yd5KFq4lV//F r0TwulXT/RErxR7yMWPkdxqvGqxZHWRUMbf+9yXI03qAiVWZWv/VAIEzk0HSMJhz A+n5V0zl9W+zNORNdmm1/ArfJVNPsuOQEzrJe5r4aaplaoKx496JJYTrZqz8SzJr u9xh8XubRLgtBWEs8ZKhYUrj6EhyTbzHGPyP/LPXg4I3vUSiE9VpYEN2TV5DtRIX V8WWUSgN/+ShrxKIPHSBytCyi9LL+q6d1K6UFdnFpycI7P/ntfKT0nwpYgCehEiG 5Kzlm+TV25KnDkL8GgCIG5pAQvLNAtmUWlYbQvBXbMCVT1P1SGeVV2q0onIPPBSR p+IhL+W0Ic1BGwcPssU9qU7SVfqXswVy3wOzA6t3BFLqDGwf3Sbi4V90GcK6SANh hJqZmiaV =c9y0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii packages with dependency on libsystemd0 ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Di den 2. Jan 2018 um 10:11 schrieb Mike Tubby: > Over the new year holiday I decided to debootstrap ascii on to our ARM-based > vehicle router and have it working, which is good, however when installing > openssh-server I notice that it pulled in libsystemd0: Yes, and it has some insecurity patches that was refused by upstream and even the debian maintainer himself is not sure anymore if it was a good idea. If you wish, you can use my debian-security repo to get a recompiled version without systemd and without that patch above. You can, of course also build them yourself, I have the full sources over there. deb ftp://tschil.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security ceres unofficial-secured deb-src ftp://tschil.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security ceres unofficial-secured Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlpLYJYACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qy7RQv+Lcks7COx29fmQFGrxfMcTwN5hvWrlT4qOyaQFtGoliqbimHndaCLdXcl rP/3FCDmPOBZWgPsWE6FRS3bA1/Jmf+0KF4ufp5tr2UNgfso30Hfho0nAgP18AJA ByGNN0qEpr3OUEt5LhujQznb7+GIEQ+HqD9s65r5usxu3HJVhLNrjSmHefbWmf6J MEzHIDn1r5lrQ4/Y4XpuK5/ayaOmYWym6dHCSEv07i+Q7ktpidS6rKAjVFnHOaaA NUDK5wex05PERQWsjPJB6IlgeqAFrfQl6osTEbVASB1RA6bmn/YAj6W99G3hBa0r BFFymRuRHMUXXSZUC14ZB0cJEiFt3Mj72MqCMpPf8X+rY6sgNdcJJb3imMhxfRu+ +hN6pn7/5atGW+cPKvje6RUQADX60ZEpzTQ5P7U50hKTcD9GcOAcfuO8Be/h0LXA ugLUBr+7qOhIfxaGFmT1/cltCezeAm5jKZq8RvsslUa0Yf4VyzB7HyNLx2LJay06 GHc1DABS =9BPi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Broken suspend to ram (Was: Summary of investigations on Lid open/close in ASCII)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi folks, I do not know if it is related to this probems but I remembered the discussion when I updated my laptops yesterday and suspend to ram did not work anymore. I have two laptops, both with devuan unstable and both with eudev. The only different is that one is running with the default kernel and the other has a own kernel build specific for this box and without initrd support. With both laptops, suspend to ram did work bevore yesterday upgrade. (I do never do more than suspend to ram as all other is unsecure as hell. Writing RAM content to unencrypted disk is a very, very bad idea.) Since yesterday, when I send the laptop with default kernel to sleep, it takes some time, than it kills the window manager (I use fvwm on all my systems) instead of locking with xscreensaver. After that it hand forever with blinking sleep indication. When I login in this state remotely via ssh and do a reboot, it goes instantly into sleep and I have to wake up to finish the reboot. The laptop with my own kernel seems to be not affected. It still works as before. Anyone seen the same? Does anyone have any idea? Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlpJ64oACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qxY+Av+M7C7Wt2JjcXQX9uRS57s1UUj7IhZDMRC/N+sh5lf7yDH/+ONtK14pph0 cnEVcgCNXvTXtavl+GA3ujB2ScZPTFDdQ1wU9bhYS96/R2tN+aZW83uC+tu9xAlp DfaT1O5o4nz3F8tJW5g6kh7T3foaT1lZdDcntXd1olRvVBTNOK1f1+sa4kF/roKE VTlcnEki48guY3C6ypDIjjX/FybWF0lZd4JbdywJxATBgPl+lOjL/ta8y9Wqpxqw nY7Hji6BlXP/3+XOj9cIZdUqgXjmO3oi+a2rsaU0SNTogYa19Y50cmDICQFqQj27 1uH43H9ZOQlz8Dhj5PraRKH9tNC7ofTf7D6bPwx2d0k/UqkykSbkkcNrqOfaqvVo +ss8xVs3rLH9Ijrwiog8mnpDPrKstgi7j/iMvdM2QeSoh/fW76cUkp82TqQPBIHj IgN2D3Xzy4YhCgAdsbdzKOVufzDnsBQle4THRg6/0Qds6pI2MyoeRNcdGH0Qt7rE wo1ao0J9 =gban -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] eudev naming of network interfaces
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Di den 26. Dez 2017 um 20:04 schrieb J. Fahrner: > eth0 works normal in network-manager. The error is only during boot. I'm > wondering why ifup tries to activate eth0, since this is not in > /etc/network/interfaces. Where does this info come from, that it should > enable eth0? Does it come from udevd? Are you sure that there is no entry for in /etc/network/interfaces.d/*? Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlpFcQoACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyi6Qv/Ykp2L7Xz9vFQG/+eXA23I5VPs9jd+Bch8PlX5SdKMpjMU+wk7xl56uCu RkU54fIgFHHoqlqOJ9lTU2twTEPQvsKxPKUFTbCJepYfh0j9IlJqcHv8ji2oceMq ugQtUYuuC9z5/riHkpGgiUkyFkH+KewfArhXLFCQ+sbpRvgqYd30xbrcHI4KgSlf gxCMIJHjmIiA3awZwX8VyafUsLWix+LuMhbW4Asf6Xl+9DTWWBYEgxtEFbyWkg8C OZAibQwKNolWugkkreIRODdMAIxvL5s7ey3jpgXUQquZZDiVFlSLAqLMbwkt1woz azM2n/yUXRGV8EGQEGzINKw34mUkkKi/V7L7SA1cjyK7mpSeNEBEPGmGoiySKiIx O7sg9zLN3XzeJ4oeZ5vzq8gNnb7dzY4IQpKAf8BvDwdpoC1/w6tZjXrOxfBD1k6D FqjC9o7g4ve1lO8ePUIWBnHGLZu7fhUcI4WyUG411ssh0MxcQsl9LsHLYCr4tmey 80gAxfRy =wgHv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Ansible (and probably other configuration management systems) and Devuan facts
ig2017-12-10 15:11:55.389637887 +0100 +++ distribution.py 2017-12-10 15:36:22.463056530 +0100 @@ -310,6 +310,18 @@ rc, out, err = self.module.run_command(cmd) if rc == 0: debian_facts['distribution_release'] = out.strip() +elif 'Devuan' in data: +debian_facts['distribution'] = 'Devuan' +release1 = re.search("PRETTY_NAME=.* ([0-9]+) \(([^)]+)\)", data) +release2 = re.search("PRETTY_NAME=.* ([^ \"]+)\"", data) +if release1: +debian_facts['distribution_release'] = release1.groups()[1] +debian_facts['distribution_major_version'] = release1.groups()[0] +debian_facts['distribution_version'] = release1.groups()[0] +elif release2: +debian_facts['distribution_release'] = release2.groups()[0] +debian_facts['distribution_major_version'] = release2.groups()[0] +debian_facts['distribution_version'] = release2.groups()[0] elif 'Ubuntu' in data: debian_facts['distribution'] = 'Ubuntu' # nothing else to do, Ubuntu gets correct info from python functions @@ -411,7 +423,7 @@ 'Ascendos', 'CloudLinux', 'PSBM', 'OracleLinux', 'OVS', 'OEL', 'Amazon', 'Virtuozzo', 'XenServer'], 'Debian': ['Debian', 'Ubuntu', 'Raspbian', 'Neon', 'KDE neon', -'Linux Mint'], +'Linux Mint', 'Devuan'], 'Suse': ['SuSE', 'SLES', 'SLED', 'openSUSE', 'openSUSE Tumbleweed', 'SLES_SAP', 'SUSE_LINUX', 'openSUSE Leap'], 'Archlinux': ['Archlinux', 'Antergos', 'Manjaro'], Do you see a better way to do the stuff? Best would be to use the lsb stuff but that is only available when lsb-release is installed. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlotT4oACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qytqQwAnwIaOrPDUygVPOBT3ntQbwLoDyi2848XjORbQtdAKQJ1RzDl5Potyd07 MuZOQMjU8S5GGwwR2NFA+fKEA1v6x3hwnE/WXL+tsvxt5qtjQ12h0oAfDon1tkj/ P/E++JPu0KB1Ci+f/QNr7u0nO8yAtnE18ReK/a7NRlCJYJKheJ6t/HCy7J3mLQxh l2n4+Ytkt2RFzO3DwupT8W8u6x5VPCyq5LY+DBGVngoWPRksejjoMbC1plyOfoHx jO/evv9H+Dvv/VjGDQu1RtmpikyJ2E/1KrHrsXjFL7XBrxzvk/2jqTknz6UFT184 fR3yH3uZMRdJPvO/e7o+PiwS3EuFYKdSfXgOE8AFNQVseThUj12LLDY1rnac3fmd YGYbOvMldqc501xl1m5xY06CkkyeGNB/BXRsJeOI/gHX3ulyoK3Ec6BdKgNZjG/b e//6Bi2dYX0TaarYvjzIHCeU9QlRV5Qbt7G02BUdENzT9JX5LDzS/Icwmo1jxaki +aST6tEL =auWh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 27. Nov 2017 um 11:42 schrieb Jaromil: > for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in > experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the > candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by > talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise. [...] > apt-get -t experimental install eudev Works great! Finally I could get rid of one more pötering-crap! This just works after the need to stick forever with version 215-18 of udev as later versions was just broken. (With later versions of udev the system would not reboot and heavy boot delays of 10 minutes and more) This eudev package just work and it feels faster than udev 215-18. If you ever come to the area of Zürich, I owe you a beer or two. :-) Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlocCgwACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyijQwAhO5Grtj1mXRvpmem9dwTQsJ1E7g6ECG9sVYJppmfDzHvSUOeJfd1NcZd PIKSYZ8qHdyqrpr6hqO+aygiOUlB5QxcgQVKM5fR2ck+J+ug+wEXbg0NuQa16n0S w+sN0U1oV5aRAVY4Xy/s6qzgeKe3ZinviLNWGXeodWn+uV6rz1qPt/0l2RKGu2b1 hGuZPqWw1KzyHbdBMmsmkfGo7tm8dM0HN3Yr1OVwn1OX+CKijogkArXT+UJNNydW e1HiDYPtw5naY5/7UqBGJwDCrsFd6y7sfIh0iFLtY6GHrUwfqqSU4y8TPz8Px/fh eohWgiMc0T3cdZdwlAscbvKtrVSd1EJ2jX2yyN6YOJdkE+TMifVLPplIds1bzv+n 0e1AYHSytqXrnwWonOqowkb0y5Kf5aoZL+Dq/r2iKa6JlNL9V8fOD1YmRLVVRh9P P2+TJSDmyWzzjsVKT9xF+OXJJp7IdWUVRcw+AxaIa2BjGknVfqe47uYF9daN6K8V P/Z6XfUB =/aO/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi folks, I add the lvm source package to my debian unbreak repository[0][1]. Note that there is also a debian-security repository[2] that fixes some security problems introduced by debian (and refused upstream for security reason). Regards Klaus [0] ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian/pool/unofficial/l/lvm2 [1] deb ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian ceres unofficial [2] deb ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security ceres unofficial-secured - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAloIO8cACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyCvgwAwrgyMVA3WdCM0DCbSsCfstx/6ifyK1xnuo6Cd4dSYwPUs5EYChvpiLWP 0+P6av64/NGzkHiL/MNyklB3Giej/Q89k0cFk6LlMSjKAnV9eIiJLt80D+3nQBK+ N55FHVfo9sDpKdUjic+4Jc3cGdxGHu89hKbR+p7TUQx+IgRis1GY9BLgvsFGRqYK 5gQlBvxx4lQCMMRyA0NEbQs11OBLNi2rlUjOsclLTwBYN+20wmfm5sNGngzruVVo OyQYEcTJwiqCIHvkypBv7P88IWQmaask/ov9k1z8Uphi+uKA4w+mmClhcxPcKgTe oXR+I0dTsQes5eBlY63v47R8KwjZ1N0NpIhkKKw83VRM64XYtB7g0QJqVdhX675X grdpNkaQxuoG8KRJxTsQZ1QXJ4VxEYNq4W4df06WsQ3Q3zmZmYjbYMvh1UX22hWy YVQOMmjGG+cGEKNQnvmSLgTcT8BHAC00uxGK3ImYg8KH3mJKXnpptgf26ek/E4G5 NFBZAXrb =1xuf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 #157 Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAloB290ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qy4qgv7Bl/ZLp7QXyJQYt7K5PKTQW84rupI5exwPmQOi2c4FyBLtB0rCQ+ZFjIy O6KW7ZHqvJ2wpRs4jQMj9TppMPS7jbYME3UtWzsATnQSGqtEv2JXWTAwnSDkIq99 9gT0eFoPwh4timUmm4skP9qdXvPh7G5OZ33R5VFlWh64ejiybjw2l1Mp6sMa8xJy J7VW4ZvGlGGrv1UP8rsY3kV2NyIJ1xqHb2Le+t5orDXqN/8r7S7rkWJmMnlixo0O 8Z3QC56r2jzpFyfsVSYpUOH0nDtTqcm1ymUPBOfHkMddjOmmZfv/ntS/YGGxoYjs vyc964xerSNtyAAR+K7mA43rxTfdcWDW6V+bZl3a1R730nfiGcd+3aDMPjiIUEJx 5KoPpk4UwY0s0NAzZM5HyS5ABQkfRlBGpynfKjWUs6gRYTnellD3dJnaP2h16gxf LdS9/EXjCS0pIm86WBIjmT6p3r3wt2fOqckDv8lRLus4U2lrR9MBNYj1QRALcMQ7 3mhnSFgo =f//S -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 17:07 schrieb John Hughes: > > Well, Debian deprecated a separate /usr as systemd is not working good > > with a separate /usr. > > They actually deprecated it as many things were not working with a separate > /usr. systemd has no more or less problems than anything else that uses > things on /usr. > > I come from a Unix background -- separate /usr was deprecated in the 1990's > with SVR4.2, I'm kind of amazed it took Linux so long to catch up. Well, it was never a problem until they brought systemd into debian. All my systems have separate /usr and just a very small /. That SVR4.2 deprecated that was just the fact that proprietary packages often polite other path under / like /opt or even worse. It is the best way to keep your /usr flexible to further lvm grows for example. > In this particular case it's a bit irritating, it could be fixed by moving > liblz4 to /lib or by not linking the various lvm2 binaries against > libsystemd. Well, yes, the proper solution would be to not ling against libsystemd. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAloB26gACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyCSgwAi2+q0b0OW1PTlUHHGwigFg3kZFisXV2M5v6SCXyF6Eww6zZeYsnzJy8t FmE2WjCyxIECJLWiUBQfAMw5GpxVkHcVrKq2AKZfzdDvUV6rK6NE6CCQi+IqPx3O hi4AvG1LC6YlauHsOwVmB48wdVx+7TQmLu4Mth+E0hIPO+32PTfUhHLZlKoTMm0x MpUSBEr7LKnts2UjZnT0qcPzGtQV3g6w9ioqNsHytRgjgDSDIjZY7rf3A/J/89+Y EIotJuGwHNuEcpwZHm68YYaRO0UasZt2zEhOQozdm2dD0Vyn7wQKZpFIauHteGus RblSyPpdUtdKAfdEyjz8fi7UbvGn91tnWGr5VUmnOStqEwOJqJv9l46wzDZbqdyv b/Umfq54A1HGF6CS3jzF3h5E5mx59dboGLE/vfWGEqkTX4UH7jIYQDE2duedSbES uk4FCXE9AOV/KR1FwblAD6Ndqr1o7OCInSvCeRmgnW7t//MKG/F1X1RkbVZ3FOau vGSqYkbf =j9Jq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 17:00 schrieb Klaus Ethgen: > > So, could you please also file a bug report in Devuan with a link to > > Debian's bug report? Use bugs.devuan.org for that. > > Done. Hmm... Doesn't seem to work. I sent the attached mail but nothing happened. Regards Klaus -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C --- Begin Message --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Package: lvm2 Version: 2.02.175-1 Severity: critical Debian-Bug: #881057 - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAloB17cACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qxZzAwAlFcMHa0sFqAbZ9jpltQv/jGqfqEaVJBJVRg1330QdDslv/AUg1hmU18A razNeKeUKjE7q4chuFT1B9YzRbDOGUKxUpL2jSD2K67TK1NgwPEK2XHZZw/NXv5X azO12eHHtkc4tQ4RVMJN0zQM9fr0fu5VjyfxoEtJHUcLJShqhFqPWebzJj26+eYB a5ruZ0cR2PDtfH6GD2l5Iq1aXaA6hYWbB+2e5j/g4aMkvglyCBnZ8hB7nTd2yxeY kRJSFFLfGz8GzE3gvaPQi61O/9YmNbgDtVzjltjpKx3Gvb88guMwoQQZL3QF7P+I 1uL2F874CUPajIQ2OOxtvrzYdjj6JU3P6lZI/piqG573+xwtG4HOf5LGi3pscs4M H+/O0uZw1/iM/Y27Kbj6YZuSbuJkEBQ44uFj2h4qF9AzG0E23HqWp3rEE/8gQLQM vV/pfKyPUMUOfJD0gkvEBftgl3sJ2KXEetGFvWKj9LoDErQ0xf7A9XmgMOZ7IOX/ H86dcVHX =d2Sf -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- End Message --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 16:50 schrieb John Hughes: > So, it seems some things depend on lz4. But nothing mentions it directly. > > But, here's the problem -- lvm2 depends on > /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 and *that* depends on liblz4. > > This is sad. True. Especially as that dependency is absolutelly not needed. It is the way they want to bring systemd dependencies into any package. > To allow /usr-less booting either lvm2 should not depend on libsystemd, or > liblz4 should be moved to /lib. Well, nothing should depend on libsystemd. liblz4 is not needed by lvm. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAloB2WIACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyk+gwAuSkjN9X804keuhoyq99jkgkJZeD3ki4fiu1duuV6wa3FsBrGo6bbEFP9 8mKXGkb6yMjfAyylRU+xP646YuDZ4PKMVj8bHEzs2zW02LzUa1K7r7e5A4fOeSJ/ yMnwsB+xJurSKFoWtzzicysV/E8F8+BmDCv3jMnFfjg/w2BN9vpSnJBomp0EOdvL xR8DfvMXBLefmZYZHJ9M0r+ZH1nv5dK5759/3YhUa0QjUJXv2gdohFIe90drCWqY IEnyj/o3KcZWfP+kIdPgz0s+CCX01SdGUJYxsTXcwNlly3IZaBy6mYKfUBmm1ELX 1ExeJDpnuFV4EEJkIpGMNEZZ28Ix9kmkuxJvwMMj6kQNkso6AjlFxOq0gk1n7cK+ +t5WmbzT5eYQoQ+m97CsalSc264wlFzaFJQkVmT5keGA4KVM8mW5XV2SVcTDP0Xw W51WjS3b9S4tHHbhnsDurNBk7gyVoRaLEYXio/PtXYJ2mYb7zYhXbwqGaBbqz3cH OevxqmCo =byNB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 16:22 schrieb Evilham: [broken lvm2 in debian] > This is quite serious. > > If you found the issue only appears with 2.02.175-1, Devuan Jessie and > Ascii would be safe, so no need to worry yet. We do have to keep track > of how (and if) it gets fixed in Debian. The first broken version is 2.02.175-1, or other way, the last working version is 2.02.173-1. > So, could you please also file a bug report in Devuan with a link to > Debian's bug report? Use bugs.devuan.org for that. Done. > Change log and WHATS_NEW file don't contain mentions of a > similar-sounding issue. The only thing fixed regarding 2.02.175 is: > - Fix detection of moved PVs in vgsplit. (2.02.175) > Which doesn't sound like your problem. > It wouldn't hurt to try to chroot your way into the system and upgrade > the package though. Well, The problem is that I _did_ an upgrade and ended with a unbootable system. I had to boot with grml and installed version 2.02.173-1 what fixed the problem. ldd do show the dependencies to /usr if you want to check yourself. Gruß Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAloB2LIACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qxQ9gv+PDN9A7ry3uc23PDrMjUgZ0SkDlYT37KcSBGLdx+NmmWedKaBuqVRVogU +tt9gn9lbkEbs5d9xKHP+LnT5GIwa+vRjtkojh+zA8I8xsyBnAJoZdlcfNGBaqNs 1xfe8pQOPI6pP4vwPWVZcVRS1w0/2Unuos9QsP9A0Krs8nGMUEnx4ZJW1TIQsVLH E+t2p8ixw9UhcHLVNg3rqCtdZms/p/98/y9oGtPSLj+P96kmOY7FLIpuwrnX8zH6 75vfegz7ILq2WhKV/ogtZ97gmEC1uGutD+4Wfr7PzG+2nnJ5Vm01YlNLp5fo3HzP t8jAaPYnKqSgLx0G1MaHjACKCKvMJR6+SPp0LnH3l0IGPybNXHG1jqkhWaP2ywbc NkYGpAxDzuBk0kTtmGosOEWIccauIFll85B2W05qSSrmo6lubtPShoGCVJtheb/7 +TnBnZRFbOIq8W11m4UWPHYqb5BDidnNVZemyhUKNVhJuInvVkcE0N6U2f6XELHB zstCkphs =ei4u -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 16:21 schrieb John Hughes: > On 07/11/17 15:29, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > > today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it > > starts to depend on library in /usr. > > Which binary? What library in /usr? /sbin/lvm Lib /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1 > > If you have an seperate /usr (what is not supported by the ignorance of > > systemd) and that /usr on lvm and a kernel with no initrd (what does not > > exist in the ignorance of systemd), then you are doomed and your system > > will not boot anymore. > > What does this have to do with systemd? Well, Debian deprecated a separate /usr as systemd is not working good with a separate /usr. > If your system uses sysvinit instead of systemd does it manage to mount /usr > if /usr is on lvm? How? Well, lvm as all important binaries never depend on any in /usr. So why shouldn't that work? It was a common setup until systemd found the way into debian. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAloB1k8ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qy8AQv/e5BRGf5b6gzwESflesMkZVxS2eu3oDCarbjN+szC/sNN+mQHgEtsdQNt 0+uKYGq0a7lD90rJhjJdJG6MuR7UMtc0t3xFoqBwiXIyyM4brME3gwxWLPUrc6l3 ERY5zrDTirg+Z6dqiFyaMGVg04+C0lmSnTsvUWVxrF5QK6Dh+Vv8opjzvw+Iawlx UqB3lY4v2dvKeFshGJ71XYCkDq/0ed7to73MBrR5kqZDsugSmtekN4XvIFLEWZOK z2kA0V52FhFn9AIkz75J1cRSReg8lvD+BrzjyPu5NyGDkyGG3eKiuDX01V41xTO1 LGQYYwORi278Dt6uW9sAgP/fEJK1yaqJJqzApBBtkSs08OZELIt6/vMKt0bb+w6s LtK0kSVK53lJC85FSnwkKkx67yJmrWInEp15ebzcAziDCCOJDDqqLtE7Z0TM9B+f MbtNKCcYYnAlrdeHwbmgPdj+0ozOMKkglHuVi/Jhou0Q/MhUxksucj3FYI9xz7Hu +X8ocGHq =z6wT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it starts to depend on library in /usr. If you have an seperate /usr (what is not supported by the ignorance of systemd) and that /usr on lvm and a kernel with no initrd (what does not exist in the ignorance of systemd), then you are doomed and your system will not boot anymore. How is that going in devuan? Will it be repaired? I already filled an bugreport in debian but I believe it will be closed as wontfix by Biebl, the systemd priest in debian. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAloBw1MACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyktgv/UT/00niL0wDjdRUqDd1ddzSSbfgrP8t2jm7T9YNtC2n19xZsaZ0tQpFm NKUTrYog0mZHVKVSoqiDwin13LFNX0RwAslIN3bE/gHUiQ+RM/bZGcj0m/iX3Tgn nI7Eqp9cfiNWD8F3YPf1aSQyAmN3g4uxdWSjHRiUaHXif+b+4GBALutRCjIY+7Dx uSd5YyrbSurU44nVLxC+KwIBknxrtbV2EYcV9RnY6h8ICbXDzH+APC17XTxWeb/B DDhTjgdfWSrWawsopd/oK8VUCSUFSKBdvEjwstgmadl6Zmr+Bh84B24g36HUBci6 FqFaXcsebihECKsWPNk9CWQFm+4IljmQY0trQFyk2WCghL2VZFT1wxv35nzFhDIB 4TUHNozdrZabA9JS6Tz36fhT41dYOX68ZYWmoRcv2nguhJ2p72G7nUHYGrUHxYNW VsQdn1ktIfzGeZzZbgHCYdgJJuETIjndu+Nj4gPuQfMMW5fI04pdaI3t2NLcy7mB ObsmxFZ7 =X0xT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Fr den 22. Sep 2017 um 10:37 schrieb Didier Kryn: > Le 21/09/2017 à 17:12, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit : > > Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the > > CLI. > > This could never work. su does not transmit the X connection (don't know > the details). You got to use gksu or gksudo, or some equivalent command. > With just su you can only use the CLI parted. Not true. That is the job of pam_xauth.so. Just use it as session plugin in pam. Gruß Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlnE2uUACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qw4dgv/Y978XvLHhHqxy9AdK0ZwyiuyzVhdAKvrHk0hQN8CkCkczVb8b+TAybQF kta1iXepIYw2UbRmMWz8C6smySTUP7S84CILGCBsyxlQQgksAlik9VqJQ2sIqfNY vN6FVrsGwzPGycjqNs8Z4hDJH65iuZk1o1wpWTDmETZGe/S2RJCevof9QREhxYtl oVymldScvkR1sCeMSt4pRtREtan4eAqErL2CqqR/hmysmRWwhruuYLUjHsJrwqdM Q7IeDYRJOXJ14/vM13UaGGz2jTOlXTphOoUgyReSc2Tp5X4FLO+oIKpaZnxltWjr NPB5cA0OQzH2KoCpYZreK4uRadxACSVpWwb2xtYI/iiAOVeHP44zE+JpIdQVCCrv L2Fr07outRNzoWXrgZUYV3d+GFmcg+9OrrYd0qDJwtRKGr9SjFcjErLq76Pf2VkR je2Z51U35emJpOU8I/tVUXLjaQ0eZSdhJFPcIIbQHSbUXzlk+15NZkguKRN0hY1P 5IUgDXs/ =v3y6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apt-get update issues today
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am So den 7. Mai 2017 um 8:11 schrieb KatolaZ: > On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 05:41:44PM -0500, hal wrote: > > I tried apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade today and not > > sure what's going on. Some kind of issue with makedev or udev > > along with a warning about the kernel and initramfs-tools > > > > Can somone offer some insight on how to resolve the issues in this > > console output? > > > > https://pastebin.com/q55wVD1S > knowing what are dist-upgrading from/to would immensely help > understanding what is going on. While that is true, it doesn't help that much. I have such issues from time to time. When this happens, I usually stop immediately and try to resolve it via `apt-get upgrade` followed by manual resolving of the conflicts. Keep in mind that apt will, sometimes, deinstall stuff instead installing alternative libraries. About dist-upgrade, there is something in-between. Try `apt upgrade`, what is something like `apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade`. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlkO1isACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyg1gv9HhGc22HUP5dVw0EVfRwkgtDcyxR7QxT33HNBD3913c9xsM/pEREBfzmM EhP7QwJUe7WukEPwuuZUX5kQG+6SSP+L51l9xUcl3ZLS8ngTIZZHrMxbEqRc5i1D Rjx4SgniMDC0aW11zQYA8Sls01OQ29Mt3OG+m8pkKrJ8Z5udtwAhdipfmNVWlWex sQW0mX1A6UzYzW7hzKU4lTm/BA34qNUWXqHzHpn2UzjZw5IqI7VSDeWCyxyGHcPc Noo0i3FqZXmewzs+wi1S9FfW61qZvobnevavFlygtX9lZR4iXyGE9PqBmwXCo4eO uRQ+xdg9UvQfwukFYFIy2xIcLlaBDMTxr6tRuwsV4obHA89l6LssTQP3cDcxXynS 3I2D2ZtLiTHrpMCo6tDluSmVnAfiZtwIELZPfN2E9bhjvlc09YwvTJGJMFYrfxl1 yfyKYe8FqIL5sl1aLfi23VuP4+pLYXTzF5Z7GCoXR7X4GUDTcr/1bIAvXnDSWxs0 dnQp1M6i =otIS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 No further comment needed. Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog) Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlj0iFIACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qzKJQv/a3Z7bcm+omXOwzIcE14U0Xz98RFWKm3Rgqwxva+Y2DmIQHTNjrFkQz8x MJrYyjydiasRQ2F9/JoJVw9TkWNM+v/t9K394KzN7rQth/5eBawpiAeCgbPaHEE0 W4ambK5j/ZydsH+lzLpPVsrtzbpzK9fe5/Xr3+KUrrF626CnsjbwGqX4a+Gfj2aL dLOqKA38inyeeodiha0VCIIRWNSxHtv2SGGcf28Pq89U2PGN/NImymPzn6RVN7am CGksBg+m0nPPgAE+BlAqb74HEOwCKiYZRQATNpvBG0dbbmqqPKoob61Hf2+DSwEs nms+W7+0nmW8VoKf+gORPScqh2hF6AqImr6qYTo7lXGZga2+iz+EbntB1VI0jZc0 GWTBm7FISc3TccaCw8mQAPAcLPmSZzilVu9j/3DYzLs12ISd4vNYDcDl2XPm0cNe xZzqseh0YCuCmYOlpoQP+LmDeCe+h/CTp/Wmu4NbzbnXh5fOyVPjhGZ1LWoRkxZW V0TaOAeg =7Cfl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mi den 12. Apr 2017 um 16:58 schrieb Steve Litt: > I have no knowledge of the origin of this thread, probably having to do > with my .procmailrc /dev/nulling certain people. But I have a very > clear message about this thread's subject: There's no place in Devuan > for init system agnosticism if such agnosticism includes a tolerance > for systemd. > > Once installed, systemd makes it 50 times harder to install other > inits. And even though there may currently be Debian > package-manager-foo that can do it, there's never a guarantee that will > survive. > > Systemd actively sabotages the ability to replace it, whereas no > other inits do that (that I know of). It would be stupid of Devuan to > allow systemd into their software. Not only that. With including libsystemd0 in every package dependency, it makes them factually unable to build. Take for example openssh, I provide patched packages on my server that remove the patches of debian that lower ssh security for just gaining a bit more comfort. However, in the recent days it was even not possible anymore to build as it build depend on libsystemd-dev that is starting to depend on systemd itself. But this libsystemd-dev dependency is not needed at all. Other think, did you ever try to deinstall libsystemd0? It will deinstall many other packages; at least on ceres. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAljvKEQACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qy46gv/SrQLyD5rjaHZXEspIFSNrUHRXndMaDNxlx5sC6DscRLr7dBybTn2kpZF gmhXWF03pA7RRmz6GAhX+CeisH6NkrwyXnSxkEOpz/4mIBivOG/Yqz7lkHq17N1O FL1yeSyprmumRKAdIg3oTuCj82wZLDshYx0/PAUpE3EmOoBPUmqM4SWIRuDKVGPG 0kR3VHZNdzvDgwcc0RqmwhS7wA8ZrO75owEXGZYugFhUahLgt4jq6buT5NjCC3ZL 6xrZDfM7bULYvvuPK8EB7QhgZswzuxJiI0hRpJvA4uIqYXS2YcBZfFxVOvpA7JwU JIk5XYepAV40H0H70BsMv9NYlSl4v//gID9iJutQURDUqhYhcODPkosg42N07pmv 3MuTt4hTReHKYttKUSLpr9MFEZmTXf0iHxY4cKTjTFbMZrnt0Y2urozMDA8IQtow dYycn7N4TipfgwFjCKmktIL8RWlTMHdUk4khDCU5YP2dj+RR6pRM1dhM++7VHsjX Kxy4N+mZ =HGj5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mo den 10. Apr 2017 um 22:09 schrieb Alessandro Selli: > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more > times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) That is a common misunderstanding. If you have (like many people) have your account allowed to do everything with sudo, than it doesn't matter if you have to type the root password or your own. If a attacker can get hand on one of that two, he can use it. Moreover, it raises the attack vector from one password to two. That stupid use of sudo (That was initialize introduced by ubuntu) should have an end. Another think is if (or not) you should allow login as root via password at all. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAljsdA8ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qw9eQwAoVxp91qFTzDq0AEGXs4IJqnpPu/rJ5jbkcyOCCRnBJB/Lrr/CyBB6HcF xvVwHy2ReprGpUEOhnPQxPujtL0JLFzw0wrs2W8m29R/NudgI26j4Yu3FVtOYacc kvNofJfp6o8gRvgE8ontlNY8VheKLy9d8G/tub1SyiYg9vqZ7uizCee0UWD1wB+n T7U3ZX1Do6mPim1no03SrfQ25dHSRND3JaRYfg2wgV+ACaVtKOfkaTtMLCV6O8xJ L/3jMBvAxgRrxl11zEQyeKsRUkbgVvt14VRPW/f8p7NqDJRRPffU0+2xN5yrltRi z4n47ynBWdsIJIFdJ5nq4UQdsq3F8kT/PBL9gNw5DjO8EZY921EIiALF3NC88K4C QjATaCWggznidyz4Pm1bJ13474uo9htX42UBngTgi0ESFdNNtXCUiDC9+ApyQTlp AM9odcsdrLY/FGNj2c99TI2Cb77OXzeACBRToIfhIGCiydoSnA873yggIR/WRD/5 P1xeWINK =KNz/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 3. Apr 2017 um 21:46 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Yes. However, it didn't process my Severity. > That's a problem with reportbug, since the list of severities does not > match those configured in the BTS. It's my fault. I will now open a > bug on reportbug :) Well, I created that mail manually by using the same pseudo headers reportbug does as I wrote it on a system where I cannot install the devuan reportbug right now. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAljiukUACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qw0mwv/XWs9e9HN/AG9Jop3ud9T/HfD8DCZTf+RCCUXHfi2vblf/ZRkfH/A/q8a mV0aLVE5f7hEXz90H8929wX/tKaBQaDaTuIvB6P72hOF07oo0DC+LbA7dABwij9D CP/tEkcQKlJooFCj2jOdJ3syAaX86vszCqUnaO0qEnFuozGQQEtCDjSBdhPM1LnW ju+7u2VWjtbH4PO8IrnwHn7VjAeI5Sf0nFaFKVBJnRe/xlmmNG9eKh/E+ZLgfN7a +gePorHSkfTWZ2tOdJDx4K3ZGvyV/Qs6HmftTxvLgM5zOTBs5C+KbBrjLmOG3Rle QYROaBH4VahIh9oE8ntHiz+/HMh/Q7MNDFtEnSO9tk1cQrkkklsLkosbyufdPAje mTjwF/bdxf6gs9L9ul1Fc/TfHsCHBa/jS1J2CUgJibE5x6rKMzFM616j3ruohWMi dde8P6DMweixZ+rq9eVZ2maDKF0yT/wxM6jF0+86mS00FT0joPvsiJ9ZrE2I9KdM pPfIgjPc =4d03 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 3. Apr 2017 um 21:26 schrieb KatolaZ: > you should just be patient. Yes, this is my "Bug". ;-) > Incoming bugs are processed by a cron script, and the web pages are > updated at a slower pace. Ah, ok, thought it is processed by MTA directly. > You should have already received a confirmation email from the BTS > saying that the bug has been received and processed. Yes. However, it didn't process my Severity. Nice think, it has bug number 53 and is about DNS(SEC). :-) Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAljis00ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwYgwwAsB+tbLnpOXeoAeyLgwB8FDqFdH9hS+aVMvKwVSrGQtDuOZI7wRRARyYk +hTlkoHPwU08HMaSbGVzRg2ErXNDI0kvxvMi548IywrcW489Z/J9Df0CX0+FHZA0 aw1Zmd8HkQrMbrfuoLmnwZuHNE4ycJbbFgpWFAHrAk21YLkrGdGw5QOxqqFaHmj3 n1BO7Y69n/tYXzuZrXELLRhry8oRHxbzQtXOpVn7P+gv9T+VuH47ISXTVC786m9A 91DBZst5u1gsPLc0X8MOfmYyGr3AHYl2ZWC88WEkwkqHGPFG+ANJJQFB8qnJPi3u wZZFwwho6fg/m7B1P1svyeKSyPdr/VMMWSClesBb12KO0mmTYeJP5mtizid3KXre PihVg6KT+EDqMGf24OmNUxQSQZXEzHjxlAnVArNne13kBinfP1S+WZDg1gm3Uuys X2d249myu4OFOHrU2IxMvDDjIrwC5n6ea65XWC2UlGQ939yp7fgAawp+XuH3PSjO A7qV+CGM =MwEk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online
Hi, Doesn't seems to work. The mail (see attachment) went out but no bug is opened. 2017-04-03 21:53:05 1cv82D-0004E2-4w <= kl...@ethgen.de H=(ikki.ket) [192.168.17.4] P=esmtpsa X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 CV=no A=plain_server:ikki S=3678 id=20170403195304.e2srg6biwapru...@ikki.ethgen.ch 2017-04-03 21:53:08 1cv82D-0004E2-4w => sub...@bugs.devuan.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=tupac2.dyne.org [178.62.188.7] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128 CV=yes DN="OU=Domain Control Validated,OU=Gandi Standard Wildcard SSL,CN=*.dyne.org" C="250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 776B018BF8E" Regards Klaus -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C --- Begin Message --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Package: devuan-www Severity: important Since several months, the web page (www.devuan.org) is not viewable for those who care about security and trust only the certificate that the owner has access to instead of every untrusted CA. The way to do that is DNSSEC with TLSA and thankfully, devuan does support that. Unfortunately, since several months, (I believe, when devuan switched to that horrable Let's encrypt) the page doesn't match the TLSA record anymore. That leads to a unviewable page if one cares about security. So the TLSA record should be updated to match the SSL certificate of the page (or the right SSL certificate should be used). There are few solutions for this if it is really the switch to Let's encrypt that is the cause: - - Every time you replace the SSL certificate, update the TLSA record too. That is very painful as Let's encrypt drives security adabsurdum by replacing the certificate with every single new load. (Keep in mind, not everyone is checking the side every hour.) That is the most stupid (sorry) way. - - Get a certificate from a more stable source that is not replacing the certificates that often. You still need to change the TLSA record every time you replace the certificate. That is, in my opinion, the most reliable way. - - If you don't care about the fucked up CA stuff, just generate a self signed certificate and put the right stuff into TLSA record. This is the most honest way to go but realistically, as browser vendors seems to passively boycott DNSSEC, this is no way to go for a site like devuan. - - The last way would be to use the CA fingerprint instead of the one of the actual certificate. Or use the fingerprint of the key if you don't change it with every certificate renewal. This is making good face on a bad matter but it is working too. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAljiqBkACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qxL3QwAnLn7R6wiJzo0NCIrYg4gsr3rEfFHczVn+LA6aduIUYMOsqlhe8pCLqkF ytVR9TZhuvVskK9diRYHQnuOBSc4+dKzdTbt5IYV2y2NQhJQbe0kSNx2lkwIF6Nt zycNTlTntuSjtF5UVflsQFTDoNqbQB86l/Dp3K96kiOwVVE7luhPhqX8oCM7C1n6 YQbXeGexrhVx/Y1nSR6MALWthZvumlJJFcC3MARJkgIwZ03r64xsgYYjDHEgKZs/ 9fxWir+JR+gTDHV5Y8lQRtEdShA37Sv/H5WNxhGjKB2jzuuhaKhNn9DeZEp3v7DY GeAXi8NC2fi0qwbKSUHq0xy2U8JgrEicPpTwSvRnjGzyfknmC6Sfz6LvtDTftbGx EYZzacTmch/vqIwv+qwaED9VHWLKP0w8IAHjcSLyDE8S4TGytv7qeAiHs3MbThkx 4WJBrbxBzFMUgSV8LurYlACw74S0XWQpXC/altjlLLNEWnb5+Nf4SJRsDIgtAkqY Y8+uLt68 =4Rvp -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- End Message --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 3. Apr 2017 um 13:58 schrieb KatolaZ: > just to let you know that the Devuan's bug tracking system is finally > available online at: > > https://bugs.devuan.org > > The system is compatible with the BTS used by Debian (we are actually > using the same code base), and shares the same workflow. Thank you very much! I thought myself of implementing it but I do not know where to get the source base from. Nevertheless, I might have one very urgent bugreport to file on the web page. (The problem that TLSA is not working) So are there metapackages for website? Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAljice8ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyvtQwAvdNkUho5OrPbs7b7deeaBFI3fobe8VjBhs8+43LfRIXLF4ALaObFHgIc X2u0zqFxI0lSztObUGe7Xwzd9TQNFLBXlVmi9iTpbzBlkknn/VOZ0EUu49+gPomG RmuyKz1ohQKMHjJIfsvti/OAOTc5biTDTAlqNeEXvLclmOdLQl3DsGf6G9rbdd+s hCzoOO8HoJ/E5Ff6bmGXRCden0XgPJeGBhLjwmzsP48uV6x9skyzUNFW3np/cKcR 8gL7uRAFyJQmC/gZvjDOYUbitG1nuhQB9x2gK38OKXWoe/q4W0zoivTd2a7F+/pw VJ4Y3jQXJNiYiXWhkOdYI5M5m2zYFqmIU+es36RKGwS1i/UV7fQJzFrkjzmwMEVm t7WwzCJtlgmq3CzEvvWt2FE/x/aNbUdngwk9SsuBsy8CDh8PEbZOHw5x8AKKV11O q+Vyl46xtTi8uxexxFHs9pBQ2nRabjZztHVj9xgpLST3FyTUTwLbi2BE89JpQVAS Ut6utkFr =zmOU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Announcing the git.devuan.org connection
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Di den 7. Mär 2017 um 7:15 schrieb Ralph Ronnquist: > The newest addition to the dev1galaxy.org forum intends to make > git.devuan.org (gdo) more directly accessible and understandable to Devuan > users as well as to (hopefully) help solve outstanding project issues posted > at gdo. Hmm... Still not reachable as the TLSA record is different of the certificate I get from the page. > Ralph (for the dev1galaxy team) > https://dev1galaxy.org That is reachable but has neither DNSSEC nor a TLSA record. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAli+VEYACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwHKAv/bWQqr5WqPRZjs87Yn8wyJiRz3AyeQSy+GdtxgE8+t02w4Ouxma6anabx iPIvkzV17IsVpWppd+K5bmyOZ7VC7itxYs5xpNa7fgJLZTH+juuPIzFTSo769BNA WBdxSg9lbBF+6fNvyRv+m7h8wsSOO09Gsvk/9bXrB+7lufRLkkGZ5jwp8QL3DQk1 wIPC4DFL4UGybolB7WDkV9CCY2cL1ghz280EXhLk/3IAePzsUlGKweKSAeTChOr/ zo/cUlvV3o5axLsCb/XCXR2Fi1SKtsCw5d0zdxv8TN93ZQ4xKMov2W8pux/iMswV lBH050iXUlfNO3wuwCbQmQuzKxWbUoxISznHfUPneECyrGlBf0O4VluBQzRCOhyh iwkXrl5KoZgrxOw977vbSzNAiCO22Zdo2FgyvKI2HD/9ivMIkxNnZGJY9JhEbpZu AcYgvVwZI33bU3CbiKv7rlIOUz0BNs4AD6GXzthAoBMNvtmq3mb2nkFd7IvIKe45 N1Lm6y4b =Ya7c -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] SSL certificate on devuan.org invalid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi guys, Could the SSL problem on the web pages please get fixed? Since weeks it is imposible to access the devuan.org pages due to a different TLSA-Entry. It is good to have a TLSA record as the SSL CA system is systemically broken. But as it is right now, the page is worse than not existing. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAliquHYACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qxF1wv/VxB9QJn06KwRLyyF2M3X0jFz6llKzmp+jtEUoUjK75RF/ELEgmuBKYB+ /E0MkYrOtJpmLsdLdza2dzlZ543Thra+/XrQuvi7GoTnOGpgOqOJL+wI956Z7l9e yl9l6SCe04RAGsPp/nQaRaulCUPa0uon6MygEOaGisEYVPXZAMXrIh57GdVSwu9T Vy5e1Q9eltiNjv8X/QRIHIKiATfqK2DsBmlSrgb1710xoJN5Q2j2pWUv7PFKuOEk fwH1rPdE4JOiLzjUpGoVSOQ4s+/aVwthY8LZ0ds3JOjmEs0ZKA6It6+C1deniQVv ZybP4HknmPZNdyp2UfzJiQeJUd6X55YG1ie2GM2gtCvjJKhY/XLQLJ38aG3PvVfR I4HpCHr/G8816WCewBKdfT8A5vxtZE36+ei/RSCDexEal1+4mectJKohTBmG2KyS 6lpmU7oCw/J7FegKbirURz58p50dt+ywFZZolJPMCty3i1wsnQVgxUsz0PF9O6N0 KBKciVbR =5l0k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] SSL certificate on devuan.org invalid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi folks, Am Di den 31. Jan 2017 um 19:35 schrieb Klaus Ethgen: > the SSL certificate for website devuan.org is invalid again and does not > match the one in TLSA record. That problem gets serious now. I even cannot access www.devuan.org anymore. On all pages I get certificate mismatch. There seems to be one that is impersonalizing devuan.org with a faked Let's Encrypt certificate. The Fingerprint I get currently from the website is: CF:C6:BE:F8:22:E5:30:16:3A:50:3B:1A:B8:99:FC:9D:83:B3:E5:38 And tlsa verification gives: ~> tlsa --verify www.devuan.org FAIL (Usage 3 [DANE-EE]): Certificate offered by the server does not match the TLSA record (46.105.191.76) FAIL (Usage 3 [DANE-EE]): Certificate offered by the server does not match the TLSA record (2001:41d0:8:2c55::a1) As the impersonating uses a Let's encrypt certificate I think it is a more sever problem than just that my side would be tampered. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlie0D0ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwlNwwAsnBMgJMneXjX7k51MOSoKKKOsOAf+fm3htpoUnVDIEqy3eP6vpdJ1QP1 yI6WhgkW20xMNlflOd2H6ubg/MTaY+CrmVPPfUt911+1yqilQRp8GGtMiLtL0aLf XRaFGU2XOWkJ9Y5yS4SO6ZBn/O0OBsKB+Lq4JGgH1CKhe9IVvzmnCCeT6NgILtdj fxm1ptxRwa7md3RM4wjq4XluC/wAkf4vsp6h907/CMcuoZUI6j1R8H1qT56OGQM1 N/u/WlZRhCr27xp1JhTBxnMCgzFxw2LcZ1vBedkSuCvLnZFP2kmUbAVX1b8uSInb ftTD9NA51gTv3v7obubPLnQy1t+lRyWnubWGz84Fkn8r//FGQRhLGIf+wEexyvKj 0LC9y40yteYAiLpxAEjaQcmw3zsjwBdUsQhLB6rgcgf5e7Gshf72muhlMws/4eyS C8lrLWbdKOfWArapcIEg2D6YmxsCGKX8uHeedBIrf7X5i+Sxw7+ks1VL/jr/SLjd cwTPHAOu =9mHF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 23:32 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > > > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan, > > > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it would be good to > > > upload them on the Devuan gitlab, and then help integrating them back > > > in Devuan. > > > > I have noaccess to that. > > You can just register an account at: > > https://git.devuan.org Hmm... I cannot access that site as the TLSA-Certificate does not match the CA I get from it. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAliVBrYACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qySAgv9GnanT4l/A8iMl0nDNBfiwFP/XmBM/XBvQ/cl7jTRQyEDNFP3j74Ney39 x6t47dJ4RS445V1izqfgT9R8KyTZsGnqGAVNUYwZN01BmHvHpj5Y4mMjAquaS/Sd FKX9pX6wS60rbT0a8U+I8YqtEvkiZQabNK0XQEetCjkg8pJYT1VpthtwHr/HeINt 4/TwkXp+sdZD9WpdHGAkuyMGQ6LQfMIZ4xeJW0FDtXeBKmL5q6u8YREM1sJ9BTQU hwHwTwJ6jXGGJhY/0ZBEbY41d0bL/BagsJmfB229rQz8pC3/z3sShgjMqWpzClRH B6cPdIUbUefhv1AFUjOs2eulm7ypYsppBbfsjTL3pYNT0FVwNiRC110gKQf9ANgP mN48rIKv4YGdYt5BKCejfSvDfHERNH/DVVZ4WC8Nt74FqkGYXvFZmSlKVYRs1bmw 1cEl2GP+ERF0xWwFmBIfdNm8/vDXJJ6/+eJ/AtrJvPb4sYk8mo0/cXAfhFWs01Kj f5r1u/pD =zMMh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan, > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it would be good to > upload them on the Devuan gitlab, and then help integrating them back > in Devuan. I have noaccess to that. But see ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian/dists/ceres/ and ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian/pool/unofficial/w/wine-development/ Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAliU7pMACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qzbdwwAj8/atq9huoUXhnAQQJtMYeAhztiyhizpe+tK/IN8B9ArdThCR+C6SIFl pob3jY0NeDuNW0j64RsbS964EzQ4riAngYMC93VXf9Bv3X/b2suMN5cAQrVpEZsn 7sIb0Ps6uUSIoXkxyREFFTK5PqfugaH0pFL6wyJE0EgplyVzPo3PJRbbOxC7uQYg onw1bWNmbUFWmPSyZ5TCvIYSr2XDBnxmsfyq0pBAzm1pXsVZLsQ8Jz77z1A7AaJu 4KtFmANPakhkVObmWeHa7zG4hlRA/8dZXy8cZ5JSZB0Cg74Sh46LOaCGe5qMUQf0 659SllSDpACiTj7qtt/hf8vpIgv/5L91Z35axSJqko6lHnU9NIcAk1+BV2IQaKT2 6h/cJ9XxkZ/i5nX5CDEUbce41DbZ9l3tWe8kY/31FvtqJ+fde4P05SYndU4lrIWs mMgXxzPXNeNUmDCD3uDC1eHBDSA2peo1leJgnwbctw67mB88/nhXdJYzEKa0szjH sOCk3y1r =V4YT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Folks, Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 8:51 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound. > > > > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long > > time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in > > only supporting one (non-working) sound system. > > > > Letting the user choose implies providing adequate support. Are you > volunteering to maintain OSS support in Devuan? That would be great, > indeed. Meaning, maintaining oss4 packages? Currently I stay in contact to the debian maintainer as the dkms package works fine but not the standalone kernel package. I have a self maintained version already on my server reenabling it. Nevertheless it is not optimal. Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 9:34 schrieb Arnt Gulbrandsen: > Klaus Ethgen writes: > > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long > > time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in > > only supporting one (non-working) sound system. > > There are two questions here. Open source support is limited by a) volunteer > availability and b) project policy. Which part are you asking about? First the second one. I seen in debian more and more working interfaces removed or actively destroyed. OSS(4) is one of them. It work fine until one maintainer not liking OSS removes it from support (Like recently done in wine). About point a, I think, that is doable to some extents. As I mentioned before in one mail, my time is (like time of most here, I think) limited. But I already maintain some stuff parallel to debian as debian destroyed it. Only problem I see currently, my contribution to geeqie (upstream) suffer a bit.. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAliUUTEACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwYMwv8D8JGEw0P6navCHAK76QjP8n3ChAK/iRcTiCJ7qs5N+cKQMmDi7LgETuR TxC5f7OvQjA1RhpHSaV4WuxNmcyOfMs+LWb1zS0OtWmpy3Lce4kdR77YQCs89z6w TXTK3g+fjbY0BOL37+9ob0N27wC6lFUUDf+LdEC0y/hXaXsdnPZDyOkOwz6R6Wf1 BoPqSV1g+eFxbe+bQpCFwQVrkZdP+1Ur6cGsJtaeqtk57r4kmQgxl+hd2hOjNrmz vKS4N5NuIfmiR8KrzDjNAso5SDH3DAm6XoL17RAI5OcW2d+ysQcy59Cbl0pUeHif FB0hM48Dh9ZE2L+y3vhdnweMIifA7xrx0J6g3MGN4BE48fV0qUIE00DT4vZOQSBJ LqzCXMznapjO/nFUqCQQ1m9PkX7SsIVjURD7tSLQoSNIFm3HdkoeI5qOKb1Mlj0H hbFFdraDXNA7aOYv2Y8raPkNsF1wfB7+nPoXk4OHG7SdKo9VYQCzEgvDZJwKBmZo Im0MFj9K =q7yN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan and oss(4)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello folks, debian stopped working oss under most current wine. That brings me to the question which way Devuan is going respective fredom to choose sound system. Backround is, that alsa never worked for me. The best I was able to get out was some cracking sound that gets worse when I move the mouse. But I also experience several kernel panics when trying alsa. Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound. I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in only supporting one (non-working) sound system. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAliUMQQACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qy7twv/W4VtnCt7tGD0FYq8DlwCXQ1jL+yIqagsXlwDihDNoqAsljh7Pc0CppP4 /7eYhg6sPvs5PsCUBI3OtAWMBgsqZDLiR/ld379hyhbtzTdA0VSptSI0beM1LC4H bSr0dGC9rky1/hchqCSkAdykrY51b2sSbBIfBm+yLbw1nPeejdbCuJplKpqZ1F9i jQDWvBNiQg+IKD30fyMQ7n2ARYF5MNNTn+D4q12kAloQqOIPego8JZ34lQNLcrbh 5MmYPz0vdiUG8PBdYiMvpJ3hWi2WeYPOJ+E9SS9fIpS4HgdsjmeyHO7sm9jxPLJB si5lMo/pmT7ijFOCxzAgpj8lKzR5b9dPGvW9NYY/5E71pFq5BOlS0/MtUHyDw7GE 9WkWfgwIFTGf5G2vOEOJOUZ4Oud1raP9Imb3Zvp7vf2me6B8u4JI+gZEg1DQbmVf p1A57n6H2lRCqwjJc6yOyho+nAYCnAwOltmA6aIbOarFu7O5kHA77aiktODsCm/t LllVRMks =c+xo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] SSL certificate on devuan.org invalid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, the SSL certificate for website devuan.org is invalid again and does not match the one in TLSA record. Could you please fix it? Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAliQ2PwACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyXjAv/XtwkJkYKAyVS3yda0G3wDtiSVJyc9It/lXafXHEDucZ3AQx6/RIktxvy ZIkD0ksReJ1n5SOSyKTKLsAdUO+cAUVmMqzxBs4rJCCXYys9jVZKABWrRZTOsD4b 5Lpw1mOt/wkpZ/8vebAzhHh8pbpOPZwTgB7qUuc144ih3JnYfPG2ZBTo6BnvKHd3 8i/0i8bARx1JgtYryvZqc7DtLla0Fe8K3ck+r6MM+riw2VsvMup7uXrSSxlkzjoK 6VzzmeRu6XSUuMY3hi+OOO0YKqMrw8jyqlgrcZKtxRGpQ5ngdqP+eR2G60uNS2St K5kaTd2i0At0xCCqAEON5z3lViZPOy4EIlAKPxTpSl1nLI+QQ5i4YBLerDknwtyy jjYRtYe72M/cLeBWlRMrSwX61ogpzxMbg1ZEi6vBvlghwAieZTjP4So36gJSkMJr aQjA+25ux7itwY0njE/Jcis2Pm5HL6nOEa+lGLXranUGVE9/8N7S8vv+yTmGAXPv 2Y+mhc0z =8n0J -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] bindeb-pkg (Was: Won't boot after dist-upgrade)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Fr den 16. Dez 2016 um 19:32 schrieb Adam Borowski: > I'd recommend against using kernel-package, it is basically unmaintained and > produces broken packages, at least for modern kernels. If you're trying to > compile a recent kernel, you'll be far better off using "make bindeb-pkg". Never seen that bindeb-pkg... I always build my kernels with make-kpkg. With "make bindeb-pkg", is there a way to build additional modules like it is with make-kpkg? I use oss4 and nvidia modules and I depend on them. So I need a way to build them too. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlhVFxQACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qyAlwv/dMNVfLnGUyCz0+Sm+4LmtbhMx4tJ/QjvQvOVFewCQvMCR+spP4rXUnty Oq37soiniF3dyf/mhPLQUUMAvyZaUz12/BuxLytoOTWa0h+3mpCz0lngM6cLtJdP YQ1CHbfHIdDwAZzQxt91s+ZYYzUEdKfo3Zv5M6G6msWNosGAq2MF24UX4aTgLGOT nYwhlLTAY911RMqzIqMU8NqUpK+29L3nIB1ZgRVF9ulqhH3qJG2EzRMRY6WQj5E9 /6S5PiKSRCtOEYDn4XOQqkIcdakoEzmKENmVz2QItZjg6GcY2KkVhpv2NuwGuksE UH44h77XH+j9MbZxd3pLlSUALwJz/ao5HXnfPvmE1iE/G5TNQ4WI0myujr0jKQIb CyTvSgmdCkwteQVKGIr0tICLZMLPunx1bo8+r/6pye2GIlxXwfGDtl1LeGDObQrG a8pdUC/EJTtVzCXoS58oN2zlj2j7qC0QbcCRkZWvZ6x3bYyuo+CmKwbGMuP5dOVs sq/64ByG =NurF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Recommended location for iptables rules
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi folks, Am Di den 6. Dez 2016 um 0:07 schrieb Daniel Reurich: > On 06/12/16 05:50, Lars Noodén wrote: > > Where should we be commending the storage of iptables rules in Devuan > > Jessie? > > There should not be a default location. It should be left to each > firewall application to define. This is particularly important as > iptables has a competitor in nftables and likely to be deprecated at > some point so we can't guarantee into the future that iptables will > always exist. Well, I think, there should be an advice. Historical I use /var/lib/iptables. But that is only great when using dynamic iptables. Present days I do them manually so /etc/something might be better. > Generally a well setup Linux system has no network connectable services > running that aren't intended to be, in which case it's relatively > resistant to hacking attempts. This means firewall in a well secured > network is generally not necessary or desirable. The only instance I'd > consider a workstation firewall is a laptop connecting to untrusted > networks regularly. Well, except avahi, cups, samba, ntp, rpcbind and some other bad designed tools that default listen on 0.0.0.0 and that are pulled in with a common linux desktop installation. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlhGfOIACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwjTAwAplGCDBgKXqCG6dBTDGQMvSq7njhWqfnjgzGVPXc6zrcVvF2HHpJd5D7Q MnmMzoEHRa7dma9JAThaAU4qY/zJJH9/k9EOpNUE1Ktx/3wWuQ+BOjggD5ogmVcY wjKPgiwkf9v55CWGVRPWas2IRZL6z+SqUcJMPDEId02EUiiAZMDGRc8K8RRKtkTY onX7Cbe2YMM9l4ngmTEqmkkns10+dRlWe5aB1FfFtSKYE6js4fQLpI43nZjcol74 5Qz5Er96gsTgfTMwk6VCqBPLD/CMb30x2npbKwOQigVlHHxeBAsJ7Gu2MizL/JAV tCuWRaCsj2CDPrhcwOQd8FifzJawUEMLzBNv04XSBUrthJEiutJ4W9VWOVWb/sd8 8Kp0WQBZI+gvuqDq9psl+n2dF8ifjBwioo07jWF1IniVNoI77/HOVQH6SDwY4OWR P4LWH3irqseCdRHY87Q5qn6eevO2S4g74EGMA9zUJTwSnEDgg23/aw0YUqNFPOHZ xA4uEeST =+yMS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd-Illness in procps.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 5. Dez 2016 um 9:01 schrieb Aldemir Akpinar: > Seems like it's been infected about 1.5 years ago. > > https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/procps.git/commit/?id=e24f0f994ad3279eb387bea8cda907d4e6f61926 Might be. I just seen it recently when it start linking to /usr libs. > (Correct me if I'm wrong) I think the idea is to retrieve login details > from systemd-login for ps output. Is this information available on a > systemd system with normal syscalls I do not know. Sure. Nice API, isn't it!? Every Tool has its own tools to query special values. Just systemd must infect every standard tool. The same I could ask why ls does not display acls (getfacl) or capabilities (getcap and why does ps not show them? (getpcaps)) or fileattributes (lsattr)? Only systemd has to infect all other tools that aggressively. And look at the costs. It pulls in all the systemd environment just for a ps!? It breaks several usecases. Not to mention, why such daemons like tor or stunnel need to be linked against systemd. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlhFIikACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qybCwv+LO0UG3ouzUS35EAlyIxO4Y0gDelwkeA1IQnCyBl9lSzo+wdpRv0XtKZe wMnRJ0Myg02TpGKKdGsWic9JMVsE4ugV9uzYU55hua0At2qJ7mn71UDgK120Miwf aZMtpdpzI41Hmdb6Q1Yig5Uyz1Lzho6Sykmxd8OWs4f4spGe0bY8vx9AZ/Ua1xVo NMXIDNIeZv2/8ei8G09s6a9scgxqnEalv9CFUyfx5zWMawCT1f/DcSgTaRtPzQM0 Z13Ov+FvfEsRsZ7m/IaNaSsvdEgI7zQGRlEe/l2BQ92arLIjfmMx8AESUQEkCYzl 3O9zFHLIikllkWsfEwIedonT4onyJbU/ZfgFJyAabzsSZ66vxHJGmO0ztroIdAUJ qV1+LvTZndeIieX0N+6JOPWbO/c3xyx8nski2p6ucbQOOD4qhGFBUvPKQgnrHG9a LRRDm0Kq3cLP/wIlB0ywwpTY4DbUZFWqz7+bsGKi1de995TS87RmvGPVXxYlaNek qK5UlDcY =w2ph -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Systemd-Illness in procps.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Now we get that systemd illness in devuan too. Stealthy at the moment as procps is not broken until now but one after another. There is absolutely no reason to build procps against libsystemd and pull in all that shiny /usr/... namespace which makes systems unbootable in the end. ~> dpkg -L libprocps6 /. /lib /lib/i386-linux-gnu /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libprocps.so.6.0.0 /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/libprocps6 /usr/share/doc/libprocps6/NEWS.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/libprocps6/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/libprocps6/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/libprocps6/copyright /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libprocps.so.6 ~> ldd /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libprocps.so.6.0.0 linux-gate.so.1 (0xb779b000) libsystemd.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 (0xb76c) ^^ libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xb76bb000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xb7504000) libselinux.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1 (0xb74d7000) librt.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/librt.so.1 (0xb74ce000) liblzma.so.5 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5 (0xb74a2000) liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1 (0xb748f000) ^^ libgcrypt.so.20 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcrypt.so.20 (0xb73c1000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb73a1000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7384000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x8000d000) libpcre.so.3 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpcre.so.3 (0xb730b000) libgpg-error.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgpg-error.so.0 (0xb72f5000) That is pulled in by intel-gpu-tools. By the way, other packages that are linked to libsystemd for no need or even worse: - - tor - - stunnel4 - - rpcbind - - rsyslog - - openvpn - - iodine Just to name some important out of "apt-cache rdepends libsystemd0". But not important as the procps as that is killing systems in the end. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlhEj7IACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qxCBQwAg9732FxZiCbNPi4rX/Fj1Qf3rJzbwGwshb3lTVY32Vve/9l/Y+cFot5o XaHH4y48lxS4SDu5wIhOTA/QCVVwu3w9+WvK6vYEwpFxSoCqe4cr1IkHoYxnRvs8 K/qLshgYgNTVQwfeKL3v870+/McZEPr5xxE3DMcsX1OV8AI1di2Pxyz1LnLvOZiK i8Hmw85zM6ckYxELEeLF2NSh6Hvdp9ejw16cs4HjyFpM5HB/oWP3sEmDcZIb1dnK 7riX5o6aFKUOqeVlmdgAh65/MPg0QmltwkR8dXMCVX24GvUYSgyqtBwqPXQcpa/q IUYbVlRLGi4K+iQFzzbO5NndxaIk8qTk0EuaBQRdU4AIhse1IUtAaq8ihQzRy3DE EBTIg8jKNNNh5bwG8mefMN34FdOxV0g02hKjWbTW1VzSG1XVPgv9f0Z9y0jvNTVI OlfJJof1/As55DmJq2iiTSuN2QG1SopBiUA3OHh6IHLQ3O+eQCck8zLpak/Of1UX x8DJOIYD =DZ/n -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] HTTPS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi folks, https://devuan.org/ is not reachable anymore as the certificate is expired. With this, I will remind you that https://git.devuan.org/ is not reachable too as the certificate does not match the TLSA entry. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlhBJSMACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qw4mQwAwefAOP2TTJiWfHN5UcYYGESPfZgTBFJGwTx2r7HOZhbnWGp7UtYTfrUO hvq8zvnPwTOBQKrXFW1gbhLGeUmjsuCGgrZAeyYhzP4zNcw3wv+8IiHn2tqObeUx Ml7pFhNlBTPWPy0pTteVpubfjpzNA45ggjKgRvvwJEPxrHYsG4HENM4PQX7I2WLG 3y4VD8Fzd3npHc0tleny8fZVp4IWm1cPjjWjUUmZwXT1yPd/mIbQOI26opRWSGyv WpetPdjdXp5YBRcQGepq9Yqt9t1JZ/d96pMg6mSXe3odlLSxYH0iMiwic1WkuP9M CkcUBZGTaphLTjpvyWGGRx0SaiT1WwudzAPBiNw6bUFyB/j+caln1cKvLLDw6a1A ub3gbCoMHLldvSWNZz8Fqz/M4ADcRSsGNZNHv2nup3sMNYtdomd5Nl3eh/DBObyb HPeLMCRJx4RmdqYbaWXQEvzO8LgIN9JPpTX7yCw5frnn1sPUjhjWVWMAdYudNctF i8PPpJ3b =Y2n8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] reportbug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 28. Nov 2016 um 16:40 schrieb Jaromil: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2016, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > is there any plan to get reportbug working in devuan too? It is one of > > the thinks I liked debian more than other distributions that using > > horrible bugzilla or even worse, launchpad. > > while we are using gitlab' issues for now, there hasn't been any > strong reason against using also reportbug and Debian's bug reporting > infrastructure which is quite well integrated with other tools. What > we lack is a volunteer to take up this task, since all developers > involved are already fully engaged with what is going on. > > you and others reading are very welcome to take up this task or even > better help form a team that can install and maintain a Devuan BTS. Hmm.. That might really a job I could do. I have only little resorces to give but if it make devuan better... I will think about that. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlg8iS4ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwAHwv+PNa/sxd0LCjMEDe2r8RvGGTSAO20TK1bjcHEE+kKEaM9jkz4U/VF2wip x5cwpGmxjDMA/eqdYZSxtok0RJFuwRlCpdlP/1rCfBZ5fhQWbggRs9lrCJT6Mdmu PZ77gkJjBQDnjcrMKQfOx7WqcBuqMlC4vP4j1qS1+mbb5yAVDkRrMlZjRIlohhoF PyEvBB0bgnutP22OceUwsBc+1P2C+dg4dBdvMhofAEOuipiQceJcnjBosW1vjZLq eG8HRXMPByxfcO7pXxu4y8ByGYir4PXcBzNl729fAEyr0PoB1xwbHSm4OMHFi2Tl NRBrm2mbkQAnmY5xOJdqhs494qPELe9uPpf1q0ORA3H9K2UFg5bckHiZ02605j/S dFBwswRQWSNRxmhKw+qH5eFfXWpV2p+qCLXVyILnP3yXGnl2vnAmRkufmeNAwpyt xw/QrCNTzK6MYhj9Fi1golhyFENL1iud18Xmj1m7iB9xG02GGxOl7mOM3jA2zHYO mIVzrFVD =kS2I -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am So den 27. Nov 2016 um 23:47 schrieb Rowland Penny: > I still don't understand why you cannot mount /usr, just what do you > gain by doing it the systemd way ?? Well, To mount /usr, udev has to make it available first (via mddevice and lvm). But udev uses ps internal and ps is, in new debians, linked against libsystemd and libsystemd depends on libraries in /usr. And Biebl in his divine wisdom just closed the bug report as wontfix. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlg7zLIACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qxswAv/R80rChvDZsR+iVZwdnfNaGX3btIbv8al/AjqUUn4hKt8TUYEKbdGYE9y 9D23kHX3Az9OskhnkKtY4cokHP7WS8+4I+0LtlmHxhW+/mftWRQM04BooSlaXXD+ vAeMSmbzLKMBZxm78CfMfgcDyAvUrH/rwv8swP+1uyowbOVquNYU0lklRRwO31Ud rpb1rD6DplEEVXPlDPwGoG5m7mwhCPNGkuGBOs+DR1p1uPP7xaj/FUdGgOj+7Fsb LHICURGENbAm4+UQ0nKAayE9zPp6SKkSFEbzRevhGfhlDyZj30L8cGOYoUuSqtX0 asRbFWzH2j5vPSnl0GJ3c7YTFaDJFumOnJhBviQPA8M2J2WFedrXToxZJezr+hZT x8rBz4DyNqiePIZ04DU46/nlA9vZZL5iWT470EMXNfHLFlu9t6wH4eh+mPMzQBkg RAidnC0PEuQxr+QOnkYmePLwaHLvt80uL3xiugEcH2fihvDoOiDd9MBA12LzX18s jsLSdOHA =y6Mf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] TLSA certificate on https://git.devuan.org/
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, the certificate on https://git.devuan.org/ does not match the one in TLSA record. ~> host -t tlsa _443._tcp.git.devuan.org _443._tcp.git.devuan.org has TLSA record 2 0 1 7FDCE3BF4103C2684B3ADBB5792884BD45C75094C217788863950346 F79C90A3 Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlg7XtgACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qzu7wwAmnVppS9I1zl7Nz6Zx6cWvFcUfJIWRB7N5Bv3tWpiG1GdtmP8AOpjTCER +q2vI0cYqjK8wg3Bxs/KVEKJPO1M9mwnGL4DbCqdl+5JxR7/J5HB1KvyXJ/E125B JWg6wRWW793E4W7B69nTxEFebjktsE6+7TzoLdU+d7JsxNuAxpLtMeDnVVSI92LV Jd5oKxqItpR7Elsec1vjSi4Mza/zIumQGXsKREqd6jROCAOdSCjyAr493hrPSK9F wBg1yqGb4xJ86UdieHRKgiK3AQntucT4oG1e/HfwhngPGMqT8ktHTGi1HcZCFtSK RYwEs0XiBqEYhKkErA3uOxOmROUU7wayEyDQf3bhwQxaudLkSvtjWh7u+D75i4pt U8CRDcTFLmJGQbDa8HyDZrxLbbBrOLdzNRtt00luv7of0Ny2QDB+fMUYTyxYh8N7 cGnrVA4qt8hEEgGT8E8oTkJIeccOlCKAS6EBLZrw9Z16dxSisMOQw3zUbv07T/Re YF0tZTqF =zPuz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Just for your amusement or your seriousness, have a look at the most recent gaffe of debian systemd people Biebl. #845480. The ignorance of that guy has no limit. :-( In the begin, I asked Craig to not reassign it to systemd as I already knew of the outcome. But then, this Biebl sees it and closed it right away with a ignorant note. It is really hard to not get personal to him via mail. Luckily I didn't had to do with Pötering. I expect him the same. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlg7WFwACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwURgv/dw0cp+yY60PfZ3hTHhx9UoZAizR+2dKgjVy1AQo5m4ia7chkVn9rficU oq/KrAVREAbr94wDhVytjUN0pEIz0LE3xh4yAAGSOzpJaJOuI6jL+FkMcaDu1YNg qW9/dgvm6618WfkMr0lYzVr9OshgKBEaJ4XclDrWu/yFqucOfn8Kk5joqxeMZcmD y/nFhEgJHd5wfp1jb8rru1Ag2gy8lTLfR6VV7NktPZpagmtiQluacYcQdJ1BqUEf woLr+0cNjIM1h3Gt+45wSxORHALOEFdeEPIgggtv3lr3a2cX7cOxX76RHCAov/2A XAPRjbOat2OZm+VMofgcO6U1TmGfoztW64bapqPXvAFRkdFbfpVapcMWBWbpkX3I gg08i26ecBnGAc506EmagW2EJiMgsCuyh0GC6vtl1wiqIEWa5wUh6Lp3mRg0TtRt a1KK5l/eJCNMe6KjSm/Lvsjky7jLBBFA5JQgYCnAn1j6uOmamPJQbKOi8uqfyr5r FMvbULC+ =2fmS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] reportbug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Folks (again ;-), is there any plan to get reportbug working in devuan too? It is one of the thinks I liked debian more than other distributions that using horrible bugzilla or even worse, launchpad. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlg7VdcACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qzKMAv+KfJV/l8vYZEuyDNaOB62U42AioxFT9/VvRvf/4lXV+3V9hGyqiJY8/tc 6nnfx1CXk8jQ7EDDKuuEYpQGnWc2QRiU39xrv1+aQ6SY5XOt5a1fL4QeE6RRf9FH IaeiN/QmXVuhkmCi3+FFHDCpxWErdlykuaT9Iqk/LWF7dwbd6yIBhh+ZIjfwUNF5 S5Uhau2EIynISvCCu5LaBvl3UflL83dJuIGMXJAlhsxNd5B6vuk0y6794kWlN2Tm so6qJ24doN5ruXY0E0NKTktmhLZ9vDR4hvZ4A0+NElA7CCuIukq0b6cp/bP5WSby cTEzRDJIJn44YExMw/IHju5izAvxRbXj6A8qT8OYqa/8r4kkKVzYdvdVaOLCq9FI hgh+4yMPwR9n/qWebpSmyThy92E1QxGEUneBhz6dTvYfEbIBHQ6sNH7pjZxQah6O 4Ic8FPb/PbBF7uU7dhDvAaQz2l3k473iKkog+HuVRzH/P9XpYxCj23/1udi1fAfb mDrYlpE3 =02X2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] rsyslog on ceres
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi folks, recently, I tried to install rsyslog on ceres. Unfortunately I found it uninstallable due to a dependency to unavailable liblognorm2. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlg7VVMACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwMQAv+O+2fkSxw6pjWZscc8+Zan74Je6IW7kjNl5Gx0VlsO2ZcCURj7h1ulEFL YTlRtHu1qCy7p44TpPnKAz2nLD6yfyiR7C890cLKPblOsWZ8Gd2HCbfOC7Smi59q Zkys5jrIVLk8rIH8LIZSNOw7di0S+En8DaO9br2haoE9CJCIaHNDWrE/Xgpqp7ov okvlVy951Gh2E4CKLS9gJQImgDFtSl3MVPtj3IfwzlBlJ0oVIKpKSDkwh6jAm7xH N1/3OzPh32tufF9qXeyATkxulT8yaerZwBWO7idJtiglFT7KOBogeVu8fQEW7MFN pI1+vKPZMjaJ4w9TH6L/hFdb6pHANWi/4uACfbh/kRhNMfCffFETZtZL8SH3sFzp pIveVx5zA++s/HlPL3AH2h93/4c61spZwin+0a7i+wj+W7mbnjYHL2EkUOH0zQnK /g1jQIBFq2nO67GgO6IRDI2fesEUk+TjocDZijIGY5N4P0GQm18RF+zBhp9TE/47 fZR5WBsR =uy9O -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vi for beginners
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Do den 16. Jul 2015 um 17:04 schrieb John Crisp: > Nice HowTos thank you. So, and to make the stuff complete, please a (easy) way to leave emacs (without breaking my fingers or getting a knot into it.) :-) I always get stessed if emacs get started on a new computer where I did not check the editor settings. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVp/rvAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasSaIMAIkw8rIomQrVWl3wukGUrt0b XOM/zQQvVzPCEdjPu4cSiMiL9W9SgAcGHjhj5ta5GCG3yn4wZej65L9Mzfst22yf B+YTEmg0p8o1JChDhfzqJppRcG6lSddCE4K2OZr+X2CFmulcMy0Tbcb8bpXNlqbl oLdTCPLrGAq89aGgl1Nez4+YvUatmIhMacQ5EqBLOSSnizl25dY6ZQAaZ/7G7eoC XeP4PDaKXgJrhXdl3kRgfTrTkfVgWuGjxQSrjklh+6ugcfvVJFw0jD0v4Um9HyRO TCVeEHJNZc7VPsOsZum9LH/ftQDSuLrFXqn1P9V1PfwE+p2XvzjrRHS73jNfwknY IIG5sKYJ5N9lYxKZCN5wBqZSBYqW8sIgNm0bRbmYwlsloFhJ51AmcfSbppZ9XIK/ zuiM6t8j8c+70+q6D+mD8IEjFglUlOHn+FyjZbwvuNT9RKbDZKVq525PO0lyAWAl CIsZ/g6TtXxJY8r+O5jtR6MIOC/eXOOcQUQ5Hs8gcg== =eYEx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Answering in the list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 17:36 schrieb Franco Lanza: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 05:29:22PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > is it to much to ask not to include me in the To: when answering my > > posts? Obviously I read the list so the discussion should stay here. > Well, did your client support "reply to list"? Well, /mine/ does. But I got mails as a private reply that shoud go to the list. > > And another plea, please don't post TOFU[0]. The same than /my/ client support proper quoting. :-D Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVppUbAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasgGsL/3e8yqWe5+Ilij7abGAAjTN3 +eNqlts+Pl4mDq3d2GHRdRCeOTOYtTEfVJvGbhSyo+6lwLACJiDZdpo7wI+rYiAf rN5b5QoDMB2EXf4qb4gREKSmb8wjo4PCPeI7PwJ3lO1FPYw6y207PrJDgdaK3FZs S+AsFz7BCkLFcmILdhsma/njnSmQ7mkoZpOEKAn0CBjchVBDD1hdqFMCg+TNCNMJ hxZ0lUezSo8XbD7YXlUtieVNgvpvojzpI6l7lhDhqJRVFvU2jT26Pyis45u7Fs7W rjGFKDmsP8499pEfgvPPP6IGplhaeBSWE32cTrba+ns2DsBGr8NFCploIPYVx9Kl GfmaSaXnEyaIdanWD6VM398catWJMPW4Q7DTd0oyEid6o7Tps32yLA0VtB22M8nR 693EtwV0abN3jTe720ArqbegXaoyz/9mad5xs98Ts+/KCoNYy08JMgouz4qmlvHZ VfeqlUhEL0zYCav98Ezya6fJwIVtpF45/RrU2uXoQg== =rGNB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Answering in the list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi guys, is it to much to ask not to include me in the To: when answering my posts? Obviously I read the list so the discussion should stay here. And another plea, please don't post TOFU[0]. Regards Klaus [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVpopZAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasdjML+wXzhYe5+WQ2ucfA4ICqS/PO FIvZEDUAn0bBaao7mie5bvqA3FaX8ylHRgbEMvPWPUlGG5LQ/sZ6Ro82fGmSfYs0 EHHeyiRfEXqcLzKkyj7HDdCR3jt0qnOGIVl7MEmkzVgKdSZoDAraXJlxmi+1HW9J RPNdFgjXwABDeqjr8NtkubTHKYOWLJCmWFCwfi96U/4oN8AJj+/7Y91vneoqJj7V +j8kcwbtTCgRS0l3ffUZpPuHmhcQoA2X+oLNxz9lUXCsphfHSXGp0bxLJ1hKLy9s viF2DLr54tsFpKELjeFS18tC6H5mwpt0csz7Di/4qy7KNK+9ycyXFfvPA8EyuI9S Tpuf1Qq28OfunyyUDZwETF/BEpMAK5PI4kVhkHalxUr7m2DLT/62h5a74q+AbkVM Lv+0qCSOVuQX/lZjd2BXb80FJROAC8d8W3HBIVQTVOZ32pYIECKsdXgdHtjvtl0w licoZ5hjqyicUg/miz//klbRwHTjV1zvHgYijjU5Jg== =xBat -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 1:59 schrieb Franco Lanza: > exim -> postfix Why not nullmailer? nullmailer is fine for most beginners and for more you want to choose yourself. I personally do not like pestfix. It has some drawbacks: - - It is good for simple tasks but when the setup gets a bit more specific it is a pain in the a... - - It has no stable queue-ids - - It starts so many different daemons that are not fully clear if one needs them or not. (Cleaning up master.cf is a mess.) Definitely no KISS principle. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVpoWCAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasgM0L/3qhehc6yw4/XcWPEPB/yVa3 oAhhB/9jcs0I8T8zDb5Th9XySW8SPB7+JfDPl4iz+nsv5c0P+KmVnVvkg0vjRukQ hcLi1ScvvkPO3hKt1eEBUVWLehDXjxwt3jUjTia62yXRFOndSHoeOQeVS+ngiI3W nPYN6oRHo7s6k5VbU3E4ErSeoDLWxaAFjQEAMk5SmvFcg1FU/T9oBg+s2eWiXucR /uGU3Kc/Yo9smhSX8ZQqeUYXanz5kSW1G9MCFBp6f++D5Xm9Ai4KpVCvki9593yE vWykFjWuQ6kRgaLz4q7NOhIsVX2cXRk6xBLqypca6RrtbQVH48byR0YLJdgXriMb +dEJe4CXN1crsw/hEriUJi6GYZST5ZZ3XOw+jr3tC/vPWfkyLmscONVV+Ac8dSig 5k87Wjce+R7aQLCjsHgt1tq60JcU3zIvvVGAUNSMoKxrurv+C8RoyJHnGMri5qJA Atnh2BfiO09hcd9j0NrD6UkLZIw/gIEKIpuUHPCEQQ== =rxtY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 16:27 schrieb John Crisp: > On 15/07/15 17:14, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > > > mc respectible mcedit is also a pain in the a... How often did I loose > > stuff due to the editor.. I have to damit that I used it sometimes 25 > > years ago when I start with linux but i learned pretty fast that it > > makes you just slow and not to use it... > > > > Seems the first release was 21 years ago (we all get a little memory > loss) and I've used it pretty well since then and never lost a file (I > can't say I am a heavy user). I've recovered plenty of systems with it > though. :-D Well, nearly.. I started playing with linux somewhat around '92 or '93. far before the version 1.0 However, had some experiences with other unix before and used NC on dos obviously. > It's a good tool for some quick navigation around and tickling the odd file. It was on dos with a limited shell. But with current shells like zsh I am much faster without and, most important, more flexible and more safe. Even though mc is something good for beginners but debian or devuan is not focusing on beginners and even devuan is focusing on "veteran unix admins" so vi(m) would be the only proper choice. :-D Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVpoQmAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfaswasL/243yXGukIvP57a/0QpKVC4u qjuKrf9/jXykR96BqlwgxAo+BnnYMaZaACCoPVzM1IzbtktO6iaPne7pbIC1KKMA xM7YpYornEYmB5Sbs+nWu9uPKa86BudKeK1bP62l4DqK3G9taVRG7X30vvGuCaI+ ydlJViozKaSbhv8FKHRtPaD5efnJBwtTaFYxog42jjT7cf3jSRfRizWFGg0Gd7mn kOqjemTCWtYIkPlmWkpmz09zbxf7SxuAKfWBe4weWQlqECgH/pqxLvciphKYxaQC yKEcTV+Doeg4V8zI/jE9nySQ68Hs6HZQkLXIUWIMu2zsfXHm/eGbDtIdOCuzUCUN FSUbHfuRCX+nkSg3NNQfG2Wj9k2rf/Bh1zAMEskc1LQI/lWrg7X8K1cseTLT7QXb hu0wU+VnPDglvk0VqUfP22NxVGNrdzigSrDVbGqQidvLPEtMcuIcaDIJr173puDD X4vhIBwgHgR13srf/XWW7HJAPfy5ZetzlLzy0+rsrw== =Czkw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 16:06 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI: > On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +0200 > Franco Lanza wrote: > > > traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it. > > Except that Debian does not have it when a boot prob sends you to the rescue > console ;-3( Yes, and that is a pain in the a... nano is such a unusable editor; I never was able to use it. Even leaving is not that easy. vi (or vim-tiny) is the only editor that would be proper for such a important point. Some might argue "emacs" but that is a too big one (And I don't like it. ;-) mc respectible mcedit is also a pain in the a... How often did I loose stuff due to the editor.. I have to damit that I used it sometimes 25 years ago when I start with linux but i learned pretty fast that it makes you just slow and not to use it... Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVpni5AAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasUGoL/1mb61jqf6WeAgPl/eNa5xPC jIfwV7vQz4ZC2SFsI8IvGMY7kmZnVklRTWIynWSpOKVJgb83+ev9J5WIgxwR7VEa RGMwvbbCY6IUbnSPd1Ic3lE4oisF+S5ZQv6tlRV3M1VsYvezRzBnaP2xaMszmjo5 0jLxbXU3EAazXk5KTgBRh8I0Pz9yqeb/A8ShMeqpCpZlC6je9gMBbfz18XydqRSR 8MXGyfANAYnx6F81GRofScm0AGgvIXfwSWGHZG8fNX61dS3RoRS3tb23UU9Sk28A U6wVoD9jmm2/x/1zkbHyHxSEVhpeCpqIEvsmPernWaFCc4nGVzroBk6DibFyjjSR y+0mcOp+q/NYslQ83At/8TuSxNZ7FZNLwmZZm37lsr6sC9u9vqlJo/d8aYmBK+GI xyy6YXQGKk71fINpV3h01N61Oh8wu1yD54/kULpQZVyy14toTrDeWRQ0rOXEOs58 9DiU3VLvGZfOC3tLsbu95ZiCNam3OQHfg4OpNoxDsg== =MjwZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 3. Jul 2015 um 8:52 schrieb ?? : > I would give you an advice then: stand far from such overhelming > projects as «KDE» and «GNOME» are -- pick out of a bunch of > applications your own desktop. I am not Gregory, but This two DEs are on my blacklist at all. Being a fvwm user for more than 20 years now and still happy with it. :-D Some of /my/ reasons for not choosing KDE or GNOME - - Many daemons started by this DEs. I am a control freak and does not want all that daemons. (For using KDE applications, I even have "alias kdekill="pkill -9 'kded4|knotify|kdeinit4|kio_http_cache_|kuiserver|kwalletd'"" to cleanup that crap afterwards.) - - I like to configure my DE for /my/ needs and not the ones of the developers of that DEs. - - I dislike devs who tries to place me under disability as GNOME does. - - I like a mostly console (xterm) setting. The DE should most time only be there to switch between them. Why should I use a overblown system for that? - - I like my DE even on limited hardware. Try that with KDE on system with up to 1G Mem, slow disk and slow CPU. Believe me, that is no fun. - - ... Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVllIpAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasPyoL/ilkShtcG7FcFku7PWwcDCxx Xk6o4xCziBI7Bf6gjnRjOufS4V+rSseSEnk0OL4hS0SVbphWb3G8W7U57UqtJvaX ILTD60/eGmzC64RXRTAAMQtTxrq5Of4MgmcdS9rMQD+j+HxLiVQwzpELldkpLvbu 2RNtIu36CFOR3H6MV858hZXDm2QorYKsufeahytsOP8VW/Ufj0cb/jOn2Ig1FftT H5LUuN2sRjI911sdLiTlFYF5nmdMylgG3Lw/1/yyGM2rcc0hEeLQm6fv0187YTiI Nn4BTlSgW36Ue4LWbOcQXY2Rq8XD5Ti7Eppt9njL3THiY+IArJRM3pyPx0NE5QXs pVKe5jzCbEgjgNSGTvDHi+y8F456w1FmyxDnhWWde3MTtl13LXY5NSet10uKfoSx MpvydVbZbjvZvlqceYKJQiz7FkLL91HWOA5hdY530+adHT977XgXtrp0tRTbMu2f tehN2g0JG3lTIx0VvtqqqWmwjKJt8cVfxU3lrr96/A== =3wQ7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 18:40 schrieb Joel Roth: > > For example the localizing problem. I use tu have a locale that has the > > "," as decimal divider. Now, I have to write floating point values in > > .asound with a "," instead of a "." to get parsed but then, the code > > behind the parser does not know what to do with the ",". > > If you are a casual user of ALSA, you won't need *any* .asoundrc. Well, if you need sound in multiple applications, you need to configure that under alsa in that file. If you have more than one or two speaker, you need to configure that in this file and so on. But true, if you just have one audio source and one or two speakers, you don't need that file /usually/. > > Another problem are the kernel panics that happens very often within > > alsa. The best what I get was about one hour between panics. Usual I get > > panics and oops after two minutes. > > This is probably specific to your system/kernel/hardware. > ALSA is used very widely and reliably. More likely you need > help to troubleshoot your system. I don't think so. Without alsa, my systems are all very stable. It is only alsa that adds instability in all kernels, independend if they are from the distribution or if they are self compiled. And if you have a look at the code of alsa, you do not wounder about this instabilities. > You can try asking on the Linux Audio Users mailing list. No. I wrote some bug reports years ago but currently I don't care anymore. There is a far better sound system with OSS4 that is just working, has sound multiplexing without fiddling with some broken config files and much better sound quality. And I gave alsa several tries in the past, not only one. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVlk+jAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasNmQMAMOL26HTRAZzFhHLe/5l0deH 9/TqLY0WUjpxkPlo0bkWOqaG+xChbOQmAxfPjCQmLAlIxw+8gHMs6anYaiKVgPNq vbgeJbsUsKPgVVGeYsaZHh1Z4V2eKbV10pF+1Oa72wIiZuloSSlbR3s53RcwpCE8 a7jwb06PXqRBAy4WCcJ/YtQPq45NUofj8KWAXoIqoP5m+RPSREwz8Qdu8bWTZBBd srpE6fT3oos9/iiHGeFLiIJ6LJIoFxI2DDAdq2ItOkKqOqUEzDcVH0ARXQ83r/UX HTSabiHZqJcNiQXpjKzsQt+RvqgyHnUcQAeMdBZ+dkTy5nTap6NuogUB7ygnr1Es 4GQ7M0aLVk0b0HU9W1aykqVySytwbErpoQxCdR0xM3H0JC3dABjiyote2iW90VWa nY3frZXDnVNMQjrqqzqgp0XuAIDX/ZLPHRtEfJ/NTGRG3OS32HJkCIOLUUjpxDxk hbLPQcvbI/0QMVBnRJyEHxW2kLPwfPs/C9ZV1T2sGw== =Wuj8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 First, please answer on the list only and not via group reply. There is no need to add my own address to the recipients. Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 12:37 schrieb Daniel Reurich: > >What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull > >state. It has partly translated config files but not in the parser, > >has always cracking sound and kernel panics. It lags the ability to > >play multiple streams and more. > > What sort of sound card/chipsets? Well, all sort from consumer grade to a bit betterones. I have to admit that I never tried a high end chipset. Currently I am using: ~> ossinfo Version info: OSS 4.2 (b 2010/201503091929) (0x00040100) GPL Platform: Linux/x86_64 4.0.7 #1 SMP Tue Jun 30 19:22:02 CET 2015 (ikki) [...] Device objects 0: osscore0 OSS core services 1: oss_hdaudio0 Intel HD Audio interrupts=4454425 (4454425) HD Audio controller Intel HD Audio Vendor ID0x80863a3e Subvendor ID 0x10438357 Codec 0: ALC888 (0x10ec0888/0x104383c0) 2: oss_usb0 USB audio core services MIDI devices (/dev/midi*) Mixer devices 0: High Definition Audio ALC888 (Mixer 0 of device object 1) Audio devices HD Audio play front /dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/pcm0 (device index 0) HD Audio play rear/dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/pcm1 (device index 1) HD Audio play center/LFE /dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/pcm2 (device index 2) HD Audio play side/dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/pcm3 (device index 3) HD Audio play pcm4/dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/pcm4 (device index 4) HD Audio play spdif-out /dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/spdout0 (device index 5) HD Audio play spdifout/dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/spdout1 (device index 6) HD Audio rec mix /dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/pcmin0 (device index 7) HD Audio rec mix /dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/pcmin1 (device index 8) But the most is due the really bad code quality of alsa. For example the localizing problem. I use tu have a locale that has the "," as decimal divider. Now, I have to write floating point values in .asound with a "," instead of a "." to get parsed but then, the code behind the parser does not know what to do with the ",". Another problem are the kernel panics that happens very often within alsa. The best what I get was about one hour between panics. Usual I get panics and oops after two minutes. > I've used it on Digital Audio > Workstations (using jackd) and had very little trouble like that. I can't > see pulseaudio being able to work around fundamental issues that alsa has > seen pulseaudio uses alsa. > > I've used it with pro and semi pro sound cards as well as all manner of > consumer chipsets and had very little issues. > > > >On the other hand, OSS (OSS4) did always work and is the easier to > >implement solution. It supports natively sound multiplexing and > >several channels. > > > >Unfortunately some applications does refuse to work with oss, even > >applications that was long OSS only (Teamspeak, commercial product) > > > >Pulsaudio was /one/ solution to mitigate that but no good solution as > >it adds many problems with sound. > > > >So I am interested in the strategy, devuan will go here. > > > I think we will support as many options as possible and let people choose. > But as with systemd, if any solution prevents being able to support other > solutions, then it's out the door. > > That said, pulseaudio should be amenable with a bit of 'gentle persuasion' > from my sledge hammer :P > > > -- > Daniel Reurich > Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. > 021 797 722 > Gruß Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVlSrwAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasIYEMAIft1+/8EKpoPPorvg3emaSM ks87070VUy4ysGQfHOw+L5zafS/QUUt+aSMTcQreyIZx9eQCzBuCwem6+mQhQ4Gh 5pCriFWZNTahXLBAcyDOnRZXvZBTQTFtmL6JbE6SkGIzFR1VCpf4FkiJ8GA9Gg6K 3z2owklM5xf0qBMeR4/RHfepBAGk9h24IXGNQYAH9/iYARAqkj0Tmhmv/uxQtyo1 RbhE5pFLOUEyTJ+NPev3MthOs4rpn3HWbqKhIGTUvbrKek97eIpcT/fko+z63Z2r EC0K4/QuOjbUepDV4jBaN7AbetoCHO4sylyMp5AVUeYy1oYZFevVIGP9Si0Tgh5n PDg41UX81pjjBRFaFJgg9PXdVOEqTWUr7f+glg6PHrZMAz4Mk9JQ4xanFD3f2l68 dfgVewLWZ0ddM5vsfMCGFB2QFTkhMJG+ZmTiwG+/VLKEIYVqV5IxBFHQpcbKvMLq 219bZxaBsDM51RLJx0rX0LtKffiavtLwG5NvphJM+Q== =EnCN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 8:55 schrieb Jaromil: > We see Devuan as a system for professionals, not consumers, and that also > includes audio/video professionals. > > Pulseaudio will likely be eliminated from available choices, because of its > poor latency and lack to support anything that is not just a desktop player > or voip application. From an upstream POV I can well understand why > professional software like hydrogen or ardour have very little interest in > supporting pulseaudio and even if they'll do PA won't ever be the best option > for those of us using all this in studio production environments. What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull state. It has partly translated config files but not in the parser, has always cracking sound and kernel panics. It lags the ability to play multiple streams and more. On the other hand, OSS (OSS4) did always work and is the easier to implement solution. It supports natively sound multiplexing and several channels. Unfortunately some applications does refuse to work with oss, even applications that was long OSS only (Teamspeak, commercial product) Pulsaudio was /one/ solution to mitigate that but no good solution as it adds many problems with sound. So I am interested in the strategy, devuan will go here. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJVlRaBAAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasG6gMALCPAwKyC4X+a3NDNpLW2F+k AXINI5+zHIl4nXjTE732MTG4lTI+n5ecEKKwb+TPv824FylAuVN4u9oE6RAZzglc HUWGwxBH09UIs1sP/OUatOFHpMqR1+Php1ge3VGRawRFyTluO3zN4gWpVgGajDB0 jgBOqrzj+5t/tA7EPZlaGnhyfGcmMtlrY/8VqCSgLjSZolEdUTYoW0oDLNb+bIcl yfU/kqjl9i7U74EZiSwL6AUzLsRs3BuU2R5b+uGxe4Gs5fAB2sEfkVBtM/acm5ut 8PSOhK4HIT0eSmkB1Hpd8iCgNPgohNbOxJOv2L7x2q2TqL/9php1k5l0TkIyUZIf 9ARL3VoncV/ZmCx0mGlkqndL4KnJdnDdn5+DWWJ+n9c1+5nFeXi4rKKQ+MKBoJ6h wvXpePNX6EL5iCWrKnzhfhGIkI2ru35S3yvxYvgBKNlFvD5mjKuol+UEwa7/Uqp/ 7iItz9JdOWe3XxBKLwr6/V9mtkL6TlvLDd6vMYt7Rg== =FL9k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Packaging system
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 15. Dez 2014 um 17:23 schrieb Christoph Lechleitner: > Am 2014-12-15 um 17:15 schrieb Francesco Il Parente: > > > >> Devuan will use apt/dpkg as debian does. > > > > of course but the apt and dpkg depencies on systemd, > > Neither apt nor apt-get nor aptitude nor dpkg depend on systemd yet, and > I don't see how why they ever should. Thats true. But look around, there are many packages out there depending to systemd for no reason. That is how the aggressive systemd integration work; adding dependency for it to many unrelated packages. So believe me, they will find a "reason" for adding systemd dependency to apt or aptitude. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16 Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJUl/n4AAoJEKZ8CrGAGfasRB4L/iIY3AKZzTzaOwwKCTJQOjW8 p5jjahXo2TPrARUzWGG4TgwQUX0vZNHM3Ajn/FNstvZOEu4Y6sGy/HBxXAGyR0jZ VnK9kHkXUeFnnzp0VgzliKOpyEnUl7cXuGNqa+dgB/2x+nb4f/e/ZYIxZX9OUiOl eOMvy6/KUvE7SlinWVFGxntd9jSZgq40KVobtsxDSQIA2j2hggZsZSz6VgY4IvTa DhoL35dp2apzYS08lVU+jTgiTakhnckubHr8CYRHDym6mD22PyiKIt/8QR0Uvpo+ zYCItRLuWSZEtLacYDd9JUABks+JEapxn7WUAk5ibXUUgem41+AmAohLUnR8v2w4 tHE5yA8cd5kBXADbV4cWFNYDUSp3NQFIVcER/TW/myKU3+fGNSf1QdCm1XqNtQbI 4/BHAlprYkn3OVryTxhhW3Fa7/YuhemV0miFhwOmWTH9qGJgp1hhtIt0TNEIGRZ3 vWzpQ6JVb7ru/GiawgS886uIyBp/9VonT/nLsApYpA== =7Nm8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng