Re: [DNG] My Qemu LAN-peer documentation is now in its first draft
Fri, 5 Mar 2021 18:56:25 + - Simon Hobson : > Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > > > For the sake of completeness and y'all's convenience, here a link to > > the related info in the Debianwiki: > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames [quote] * UNPREDICTABILITY it turns out even after all this there are still reported cases of interfaces changing their name on a reboot. All that needs to happen is that some buggy BIOS (or some new, less buggy version of a driver module, or systemd's naming policy) changes its mind about some detail like whether or not your hardware counts as the kind that should have an ONBOARD name. There are even reports of devices changing their PCI-port numbering due to other hardware being installed. [\quote] > Did anyone else read that and think it could be summarised along the > lines of : "We thought X was badly broken, so we developed Y which will > require you to reconfigure lots of stuff - but even we have to admit > that Y is actually more broken and here's the complicated ways to get > sane behaviour" "... and if even so it remains broken, even then it's not our fault: or it is a non-compliant device (with us), or it's a hardware problem." al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B pgpUbROVu7Bes.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to adjust mouse characteristics? SOLVED
Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:37:07 -0500 - Steve Litt : > Could you please tell me the make and model of the mouse? I love > super-sensitive mice. It was (now I am on a basic Logitech mouse) a TeckNet um013 (specs: http://www.tecknet.co.uk/um013-black.html) -- not sure if it falls under the definition of "super-sensitive mice". Anyway, it was difficult to me using it: even for small movements of the mouse I had too rapid and amplified movements of the pointer. Only by using a mousepad (made of a sort of firofiber fabric) I was able to "fix" its acceleration and speed in usable way. Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp28pyfp3qp0.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to adjust mouse characteristics? SOLVED
> The problem was that the mouse was way too sensitive, meaning the > pointer would go too far for a small mouse movement. Hi I had a similar issue some months ago with a sensitive high resolution mouse... For me the solution was simply to use an appropriate mousepad (designed for sensitive high resolution laser and optical mices) and then finely adjust by trials both mouse acceleration and sensitivity (LXDE). Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpDeiJspqIqf.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for assistance
Sun, 24 Jan 2021 19:59:19 -0600 - o1bigtenor : > Greetings > > (Asking this here as so far I've seen some seriously skilled folks > connecting in!) > > I've been working on getting a HiSense 50" TV (3840x2160_30) working > on a Nvidia GTX1050 Ti graphics card. I have a second graphics card > (Nvidia GT (IIRC) 570) with a present stable of 4 -1920x1080 monitors. > I am running Nouveau rather than proprietary Nvidia software and get > to use xrandr to set up my graphics system after every boot but > although it took me a while to learn how to do this setup its pretty > quick now. > > Part of the 'fun' in wanting to add the 3840x2160_30 monitor is that > EDID has become a more than somewhat 'challenging' system. Enough so > that I was able to find this: > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.6/driver-api/edid.html > > Creating this 'custom' EDID is a long ways from my wheelhouse - - - I > have spend some time today trying to find some of the stuff indicated > on that page - - - - can't find anything (maybe also a good thing!). I > am going to attach (hopefully the list accepts attachments) 2 files > which give enough information so that someone with the requisite > skills could create this 'custom' EDID that I need so that I could > then use xrandr to get this monitor working. Is there someone who > might be able to do this? (I think doing it might be a lot less time > consuming that guiding me through the doing of it - - - especially as > I have essentially zero programming skills) > > Please? > > TIA Hi I had the same problem with a Panasonic Viera TV. Here below the way I have solved. You need a valid right modeline for your tv/monitor with the desired resolution/refresh. You have the hardware specs of your tv/monitor, and its EDID file you attached which has: DTD 1: 3840x2160 30.000 Hz 16:967.500 kHz 297.000 MHz (1872 mm x 1053 mm) Hfront 176 Hsync 88 Hback 296 Hpol P Vfront8 Vsync 10 Vback 72 Vpol P Using these informations you should be able to find the modeline you need. See: Modeline Database - MythTV Official Wiki https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database Working with Modelines - MythTV Official Wiki https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Working_with_Modelines * Modeline Calculator https://arachnoid.com/modelines/ videogen http://www.dynaweb.hu/opensource/videogen/ Debian -- Package Search Results -- videogen https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=videogen=names=1=all=all Your modeline will be something similar to: "3840x2160_30.00" 339.57 3840 4080 4496 5152 2160 2161 2164 2197 -HSync +Vsync (Be very careful because using an incorrect modeline may DAMAGE the display.) Once you have the right modeline, you need to pass it to xrandr for each session. If you are using a DM (e.g lightdm), you can configure it to run a script when starting each session. Here is how mine is (you should change it accordingly to your tv/monitor model and modeline): ~~~ #!/bin/bash # ## DISPLAY SETUP # Modeline for Panasonic Viera 32" HDMI LCD TV (model: TX-32LX52F) xrandr --newmode "1216x684_60" 74.160 1216 1356 1396 1648 684 707 712 750 +hsync +vsync xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 "1216x684_60" xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode "1216x684_60" ~~~ Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpNV5Hy1F9Vy.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tor browser can't see current drive
Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:33:13 -0500 - Haines Brown : > Whether I install torbrowser-launcher from Beowulf repository or > download it from www.torproject.org, I find that it insists on > saving files to no longer mounted drive. > > When I browse other save locations, all locations are /dev/sdc, and > those locations are not accessible. I cannot write to the "save files > as" field in download preferences. When I set always ask where to > save, I can set the locationin preferences, but I'm not actually asked > where to save it. > > Some time ago /dev/sdc was mounted, but not used for tor browser. I > could not find in what file the tor browser configuration is located. > I have firefox-esp installed, but it does not have the problem. Hi Haines I have tor-browser (v. 10.0.8) on my Devuan Beowulf system and I am able to save downloads in every place, so I suspect something in your setup is wrong. Please note I do not use torbrowser-launcher from Beowulf repository, but the standalone package which is dowloadable from torproject: https://www.torproject.org/download/ It is *very important* to check its signature before using it. The advantages are: - you can explode the standalone package where you prefer (e.g. in `~/localprograms/torbrowser`), included any mounted disk or usb stick: all the stuff will stay into the container directory - when launching torbowser it will be auto-updated if a newer version is available from torproject (and you do not need to re-check the signature): you will have always the latest version! - when downloading files you can save them either inside the downloads subdirectory inside the container directory, or in every other place in your system. Also note that being based on Firefox (which might not have alsa support enabled) and being self-contained, torbrowser could not be able to reproduce audio using pulseaudio (this is what happens also on my system, which is a "pulseudio-freed" area...). The usual trick is to install the apulse package and to launch torbrowser with: ~~~ $ apulse /start-tor-browser ~~~ You can also change the torbrowser .desktop launcher: ~~~ Exec= /usr/bin/apulse /start-tor-browser.desktop ~~~ Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp0Dux2LvDcV.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux's sucky cut and paste: was: problematic mouse driver?
Wed, 18 Nov 2020 10:40:03 +0200 - "Dimitris T." : > you probably mean clipboard manager(?)... > i'm using parcellite mainly for that. gtk based, but also ran it in LXQT > without issues iirc... There is also ClipIt (forked from Parcellite, adding bugfixes and features). I do not use neither parcellite nor clipit, so do not know how it is good. project: https://github.com/CristianHenzel/ClipIt debs: http://ppa.launchpad.net/afelinczak/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/c/clipit/ Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpnoUoCy26Id.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (Almost) no sound under Beowulf
Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:36:32 -0700 - Ian Zimmerman : > On 2020-09-30 20:02, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > > Firefox, from a certain version onwards (sorry but I don't remember > > which one), removed support for ALSA from the default build > > configuration (maybe it will be restored in the future, I don't know > > if it has already been but I don't think so), keeping only pulseaudio > > support. > > > > This should explain why you didn't have audio on Firefox; while I can > > assume that the other problems depend on pulseaudio and its > > configuration (also because I seem to understand that they happened > > after you installed it...). > > FWIW, I am on Debian buster, which just upgraded firefox-esr to 78; I > have no pulseaudio; and I just checked youtube and it works ok. So, I > doubt this explanation of Marc's problem. As I said, "Firefox from a certain version onwards" (shoud be 52) "removed support for ALSA from the default build configuration (maybe it will be restored in the future, [...]" So if you have no pulseaudio and audio is ok with firefox-esr 78, IMHO it should mean that the ff release you have has been built with ALSA support (nice if they have restored it!!!) or that you run ff throught apulse... Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpgAp6fR2xMI.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:25:26 -0400 - "." : > [...] > > But I also have issues with LXQT, including similar audio problems as > what others are posting about. I just tried to "apt remove" pulseaudio, > but apt wants to remove lxqt along with it. Which is one of the main reasons I do not use LXQT and use LXDE instead... > So I have a two-part question: is there some way to get my numeric > keypad back under KDE ; or how can I remove pulseaudio without removing > lxqt along with it? Maybe using dpkg with -r --force-depends. Should be (Disclaimer: use it at your own risk): $ sudo dpkg -r --force-depends pulseaudio > Or do I have to move on to some other UI? (Okay, part 3 of a 2-part > question :-) Probably you do not have to... But why use something that tends to force the installation of packages that are not desederated (nor desirable)?... Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpxKYnF7qHfB.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (Almost) no sound under Beowulf
Fri, 25 Sep 2020 22:54:14 -0700 - Marc Shapiro : > I have been running Debian for over 20 years, but I want to avoid > systemd, so I am trying out Devuan. > > I installed ASCII a last year and just did an upgrade to Beowulf about a > week ago. [...] > The issue that I am having is with sound. My daughter reported that it > was not working. I tried playing a video (in Firefox) from my login and > also got no sound. > > I have since determined that pulseaudio was not running (it is > installed). So I started the pulseaudio daemon under my login, started > up Firefox and played a video. Sound. Yay! I logged into my > daughter's account and started the pulseaudio daemon, started Firefox > and played a video. No sound. Boo! > > The I started pavucontrol under both logins. My login shows the 'Built > in Analog Stereo' output device, and its monitor for input. My > daughter's login shows a 'Dummy' output device and its monitor for > input. under my wife's login, it shows the same 'Dummy' devices as my > daughter's login . > > 1) If anyone can tell me how to get pulseaudio to see my built-in audio > for all three logins, it would be greatly appreciated. > > 2) How do I get pulseaudio to run for each user when they log into the > system. > > 3) The 'play' utility from the sox package gives an error whenever I try > to play an mp3 file. Using 'aplay' to play .wav files works fine. What > do I need to do to play mp3s from the commandline? > > (NOTE: I boot to console only. Each user switches to a different VT and > runs startx from there.) I am running Beowulf and I have all the audio stuff perfectly running using just *only* ALSA (M Audio Audiophile 24/96 sound card, also connected to my hifi setup, whit a real-time audio configuration). I do not need any of the pulseaudio stuff (which is just a useless and total mess IMHO... Indeed, I have removed all the pulseaudio packages). Firefox, from a certain version onwards (sorry but I don't remember which one), removed support for ALSA from the default build configuration (maybe it will be restored in the future, I don't know if it has already been but I don't think so), keeping only pulseaudio support. This should explain why you didn't have audio on Firefox; while I can assume that the other problems depend on pulseaudio and its configuration (also because I seem to understand that they happened after you installed it...). The solution I suggest is to totally remove any pulseaudio stuff, use ALSA instead, install the `apulse` package which is a PulseAudio emulator for ALSA (this should ensure that Firefox -- and any other program which require pulseaudio -- will work even if pulseaudio is not present). Also I suggest to install some useful ALSA-related packages: - `apulse` - `alsa-utils` - `alsaplayer-alsa` (and `alsaplayer-gtk`) - `alsamixer` (and `alsamixergui`) to handle your audio devices - `volumeicon-alsa` a lightweight systray volume control Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp3tMJDDZfsx.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] RFC: wiki software
Fri, 4 Sep 2020 00:51:01 -0400 - Mason Loring Bliss : > Hi all! We're looking for opinions about wiki software. First choice at > the moment is TWiki but we want more options and more perspective to get > us to the best possible decision. > > [...] You could consider TikiWiki [1] (which is not TWiki). It seems to fit all your requirements, also being scalable and easy to install and configure. Regards [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiki_Wiki_CMS_Groupware https://info.tiki.org/HomePage https://doc.tiki.org/Keywords https://info.tiki.org/Benefits al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp2IAQ0j2UF1.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] terminology
Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:59:53 -0400 - Hendrik Boom : > There are files and directories. > > Is there an establiched word in the Linux/Unix xommunity > for something which might be a file or a directory? If you mean regular file and directory and you want something descriptive that isn't an acronym, here below some (not too short) ideas: data container information container storage space data storage space filesystem data container filesystem storage space Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpf8s_rilNYE.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] GNU Shepherd user services
Hello everyone I came across recently on GNU Shepherd user services: `The GNU Daemon Shepherd or GNU Shepherd, formerly known as GNU dmd, is a service manager that looks after the herd of system services. It provides a replacement for the service-managing capabilities of SysV-init (or any other init) with a both powerful and beautiful dependency-based system with a convenient interface.` [1] As an initial introduction, I took a look, among other things, at the pages at the links that I report below. Also to help me better understand what it is (my knowledge of service-managing is at user level, and therefore not very thorough), I would be interested in reading your comments and considerations. Thanks in advance Best regards Refs: [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ [2] https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2020/gnu-shepherd-user-services/ [3] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/manual/shepherd.html [4] https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/shepherd/ [5] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2013-11/msg00065.html -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpXz1VlOshUG.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] repository status problem?
Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:47:23 +0100 (BST) - Jim Jackson : > Some googling indicated that this sort of problem might be solved by doing > an > > apt update Indeed... While `apt-get update` not asked me to say Y, `apt update` did, and this solved the problem. Anyway this surprised me, both because it had never happened in so many years, and because of the different behavior of apt and apt-get. Thans all for your help. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp1Kx1fVsyib.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] repository status problem?
Hi I am using Beowulf coming as upgrade from ASCII, with my sources.list pointing to (using codenames): deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main After Beowulf has become stable, I can't update anymore doing $ sudo apt-get update which outputs an error about "http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease" has changed "Suite" from "testing" to "stable" N: This should be accepted before obtaining updates... I suppose either there is something wrong or missing in the repositories, or that we have to wait for the changes to propagate. How to behave? Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpu9YpMDUd27.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:29:58 +0100 - al3xu5 / dotcommon : > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? > Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can > you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long > experiments)? > > Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio > (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc > color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + > css + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would > like a de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and > "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... After successfully upgrading to Beowulf, and after carefully evaluating all the opinions and considerations received (thanks to everyone), I did some experiments... and finally migrated from MATE to LXDE. I am really very happy with the result. I have all the applications and features I need; there are far fewer dependencies; the use of system memory is less; the system is stable and much more responsive; the performance with qemu-kvm virtualization is excellent... System configuration and customization turned out to be less difficult and demanding than I thought. In short, a great general improvement. I still have some doubts if LXQt could be a better choice. Thanks again for your support Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp95fJKA9OL6.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
Fri, 22 May 2020 21:41:17 -0400 - Steve Litt : > > Trace out, please, the mechanism for how > > specifically that worked, according to you. > > 1. Redhat complexifies Linux. > > 2. People have trouble adminning the new Linux and finding folks >capable of adminning the new Linux. > > 3. People turn to Redhat for training, consultancy, and certs. Indeed. In the past, many IBM hardware was used in many farms (servers, nas, tape libraries etc.), which required optimized systems, configurations and drivers as well as considerable skills and knowledge from system administrators. And paying for the RH subscription (priority in getting fixes and patches, knowledge base etc) was the rule. And many more subscriptions, much more financial value... Now it seems to me that things have changed a bit (new strong competitors, cloud, saas, etc) and RH needs to maintain, in one way or another, the position it has held. And, it seems to me, it is trying to do it in a similar way: unnecessary complexity, very rapid version changes, problematic analysis and debugging etc, which means training, consultancy, and certs, which means financial value... Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp4IoesEeT1W.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
Fri, 22 May 2020 01:42:46 -0700 - Rick Moen : > C'mon, Didier. Explain please how adoption of systemd in RHEL and > CentOS either gave RHAT a superior competitive market position relative > to other market-relevant Linux distro companies or improved RHAT's > financial strength. Trace out, please, the mechanism for how > specifically that worked, according to you. (Please don't forget that > the codebase in question is open source, ergo you're going to have a > very difficult time asserting proprietary advantage, if that's what > you're thinking.) > > I stand ready to check and verify your financial analysis. > > Ideological handwaves are not an answer to the question posed. Sorry for the intrusion ... But why not the opposite? Why don't you explain why RH invested and is investing in efforts, advocacy and money to develop something (systemd) that was not necessary, and to "convince" everyone to use it? Why don't you prove that this has nothing to do with finding a dominant market position, and that it has nothing to do with direct and indirect economic benefits for RH itself in favor of "investors" and "sponsons" more or less obvious than RH? Why don't you show that all this happens only because RH wants simply to do good for the humanity or for - I don't know what - other positive reasons and/or ethical pushes? Why don't you demonstrate all this objectively and on a non-ideological basis (including, if you wish, possibly economic and progress ideologies)? Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpZwJO3ffW_J.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
Mon, 18 May 2020 08:57:39 -0700 - Ian Zimmerman : > On 2020-05-18 16:42, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > In particular by porting Window$ on top of Systemd-Gnu-Linux, just > > like MacOS lives on top of FreeBSD and makes big profit. > > How would that work from the legal POV? Linux is still GPL, pretty much > for this very reason. and herein lies the original sin... the GPL (which is not one license but a set of licenses) has three main flaws: - the LGPL license, which has allowed GNU/Linux environmental pollution over time - the lack of a non-commercial mandatory clause in the GPLs - the mistake of confusing 4 simple legal rights with freedom (which is something much broader I think), leading people to remain confined within technical, legal and - above all - economic aspects just my humble opinion Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpw0YTRdYopN.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upto date copy of QGIS ...
Tue, 5 May 2020 22:32:34 +0100 (BST) - Jim Jackson : > Hi, I'm seeking advice. > I need a more upto date version of QGIS, geographical information system, > than is in ASCII - I need a version 3. > > On the QGIS downloads site ... > > https://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#linux > > It gives info for adding to sources.list for debian/ubuntu systems. Is > there any chance any of those given would work with Devuan? Sure: debian buster -> devuan beowulf debian jessie -> devuan ascii Looking at: https://qgis.org/debian-ltr/pool/main/q/qgis/ seems the LTR qgis versions are: version 2 for jessie/ascii, version 3 for buster/beowulf... Adding to your sources.list: ~~~ deb https://qgis.org/debian buster main deb-src https://qgis.org/debian buster main ~~~ you could try to install qgis version 3 on ascii, but I dubt you will succeed because of dependencies... Maybe you need to "risk" upgrading to beowulf... I dit it a couple of weeks ago: success!!! I had just to manually fix some minor details related to MATE new (buggy?) version... Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpWPATwl43iZ.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] beowulf qcow2?
Hi all Please, can anyone tell me if a qemu image is available for beowulf? Otherwise, from where can I download safely the latest official devuan quemu image (I saw that in some of the mirrors there are ASCII 2.0 images... But not sure which one to choose...)? Thanks in advance Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp4F2jh1Fn3H.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] udev errors
Sat, 04 Apr 2020 13:48:45 +0900 - Olaf Meeuwissen : > al3xu5 / dotcommon writes: > > > Hi > > > > Examining the system after dis-upgrading from ASCII to Beowulf, I noticed a > > lot of udev errors during boot > > > > I attach the output of `dmesg -l err, warn` at the bottom. > > > > What can be the cause? What is the solution? > > Thanks > > > > Regards > > > > ~~~ > > $ dmesg -l err,warn > > [...] > > [5.540765] udevd[788]: invalid SUBSYSTEM operation > > [5.540787] udevd[788]: invalid rule > > '/etc/udev/rules.d/90-canonscanner.rules:3' > Please move that 90-canonscanner.rules file out of the way and see if > that fixes things. I *think* that invalid rule trigger the cascade of > errors you see. > > I don't see the offending file in any of the Devuan/Debian packages so > assume you installed a Canon provided scanner driver. In that case > Canon really should be fixing this up but you could post the file (here > or over at the sane-devel list) so I can take a look. Olaf, You were right. The problems were caused by `90-canonscanner.rules` which then messed up the rest of the rules causing the cascade of errors. It was an old rule that I had from before the upgrade and that I forgot to remove... I should have understood for myself that the problem was there... So I have now solved and there are no more errors. I apologize for disturbing Thank you very much Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpIF_0hhLQ6N.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] udev errors
Hi
Examining the system after dis-upgrading from ASCII to Beowulf, I noticed a lot
of udev errors during boot
I attach the output of `dmesg -l err, warn` at the bottom.
What can be the cause? What is the solution?
Thanks
Regards
~~~
$ dmesg -l err,warn
[0.005514] ACPI: 2 ACPI AML tables successfully acquired and loaded
[0.574233] mtrr: your CPUs had inconsistent variable MTRR settings
[0.590696] ACPI: Executed 3 blocks of module-level executable AML code
[0.728877] ACPI: Enabled 1 GPEs in block 00 to 1F
[1.559123] workingset: timestamp_bits=37 max_order=23 bucket_order=0
[1.669033] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range
0x0B00-0x0B07 conflicts with OpRegion
0x0B00-0x0B0F (\SOR1) (20160108/utaddress-255)
[1.669040] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range
0x0B00-0x0B07 conflicts with OpRegion
0x0B00-0x0B2F (\SMRG) (20160108/utaddress-255)
[1.669046] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range
0x0B00-0x0B07 conflicts with OpRegion
0x0B00-0x0B2F (\_SB.PCI0.SBRG.ASOC.SMRG)
(20160108/utaddress-255)
[5.540765] udevd[788]: invalid SUBSYSTEM operation
[5.540787] udevd[788]: invalid rule
'/etc/udev/rules.d/90-canonscanner.rules:3'
[5.713207] udevd[832]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata3/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/bsg/2:0:0:0/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.713262] udevd[832]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata3/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/bsg/2:0:0:0/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.717074] udevd[832]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata3/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg3/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.717126] udevd[832]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata3/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg3/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.723955] udevd[837]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata4/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/bsg/3:0:0:0/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.724007] udevd[837]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata4/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/bsg/3:0:0:0/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.726052] udevd[837]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata4/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg4/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.726104] udevd[837]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata4/host3/target3:0:0/3:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg4/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.729749] udevd[836]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata5/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.729812] udevd[836]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata5/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.733594] udevd[836]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata5/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg5/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.733647] udevd[836]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata5/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg5/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.760408] udevd[839]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:02:00.0/usb3/idVendor} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.760411] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:02:00.0/usb2/idVendor} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.760421] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:02:00.0/usb2/idProduct} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.760543] udevd[839]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:02:00.0/usb3/idProduct} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.764638] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:09.0/:03:00.0/usb5/idVendor} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.764717] udevd[839]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:09.0/:03:00.0/usb6/idVendor} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.764726] udevd[839]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:09.0/:03:00.0/usb6/idProduct} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.764881] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:09.0/:03:00.0/usb5/idProduct} for
writing: Permission denied
[5.768317] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata6/host5/target5:0:0/5:0:0:0/bsg/5:0:0:0/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.768369] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata6/host5/target5:0:0/5:0:0:0/bsg/5:0:0:0/idProduct}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.771033] udevd[834]: error opening
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:11.0/ata6/host5/target5:0:0/5:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg6/idVendor}
for writing: Permission denied
[5.771086]
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions [trash icon fix]
Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:53:17 +0100 - al3xu5 / dotcommon : > Yesterday I dist-upgrade ASCII 2.1 (MATE DM) to Beowulf, following [1]. > > [...] > > 5. Some MATE problems: > > [...] > > 5.2. The trash icon don't work as expected anymore: if the trash can contains > data then the full-trash icon and its label are displayed; when empty, there > isn't any trash icon bau the label is still in place. I suppose this is a > problem with the theme and/or the svg icon being used (but I cannot figure out > which one is among the many svg trash icons in /usr/share/icons ...) I have found a solution. The problem occurs due a rendering issue related to an improper reference in the SVG empty-trash icon /usr/share/icons/gnome-colors-common/scalable/places/user-trash.svg On around line 710 of the svg file there is a reference to `filter:url(#filter3625)` which doesn't exist in this svg file. Deleting that filter reference fixes the problem. see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1645368 Regrads -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpVl7eaHU66v.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] couldn't register with accessibility bus in Beowulf (workaround)
Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:06:57 + - Mark Hindley : > I can conform that slim seems to do the right thing at the AT_SPI_BUS is set > and available. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 08:06:22AM +, Daniel Abrecht via Dng wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've had that problem as well. [...] > > > > To me, it seams to be caused by a combination of something `lightdm` does, > > and something `at-spi-bus-launcher` does not do. > > After a login with `lightdm`, the X11 root window has the `AT_SPI_BUS` > > property set (`xprop -root AT_SPI_BUS`), however, it seams the > > `at-spi-bus-launcher`/`at-spi2-registryd` instance which created that > > property does not exist anymore, causing applications to fail to connect to > > it. In addition to this, the presence of that property prevents a new > > instance of `at-spi-bus-launcher` from starting. I had the same issue too after dist-upgrade from ASCII to Beowulf. > > My current workaround is to remove the `AT_SPI_BUS` property, and then start > > `at-spi-bus-launcher` again: > > ``` > > xprop -root -remove AT_SPI_BUS > > /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher & I have added: ~~~ export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1 ~~~ in `/etc/environment` and also I have installed `at-spi2-core`. This seems to have blocked the alerts, but I don't know if it's a real solution or just a workaround that doesn't solve the underlying problem. > Daniel, I get the same results as you with lightdm and your workaround is good > too. Although I don't have to restart the at-spi-bus-launcher process > manually, it is started automatically once a process tries to use it. > The issue seems to be that lightdm starts its own AT_SPI_BUS which is then > killed on login. But the AT_SPI_BUS property isn't removed so that it can be > relaunched in the user's session. This is depsite Debian #760740 being marked > as fixed. Also I am using lightdm (+ MATE). > That bug also suggests another workaround of setting 'xserver-share=false' in > /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf which also seems to work. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that it is similar to the `export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1` workaround. If so the 'xserver-share=false' setting in the lightdm configuration seems to me to be more appropriate. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpidHzgyeK_Z.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:42:59 + - Mark Hindley : > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:32:44AM +0100, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > > Does `apt install libpam-elogind' fix it? > > > > Hum... that's what I have: > > > > ~~~ > > $ sudo apt-get install libpam-elogind > > Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto > > Generazione albero delle dipendenze > > Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto > > I seguenti pacchetti aggiuntivi saranno inoltre installati: > > elogind libelogind0 > > I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI: > > libsystemd0 > > I seguenti pacchetti saranno aggiornati: > > elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind > > 3 aggiornati, 0 installati, 1 da rimuovere e 1 non aggiornati. > > ~~~ > > > > It sounds good... Should I apply? > > Within the limits of my Italian ;), it looks good. Ooops... sorry I neglected to translate or specify... I have run 'apt-get install libpam-elogind': elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind were updated (and libsystemd0 has been removed); but not calf-plugins. > I will have to look further as to why this needs an explicit command. Did you > `apt upgrade' or `apt full-upgrade'? None of this. I did: # apt-get dist-upgrade (as suggested in https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf) Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpIcuLC6Th5V.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:29:28 -0400 - fsmithred : > On 3/22/20 12:53 PM, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Yesterday I dist-upgrade ASCII 2.1 (MATE DM) to Beowulf, following [1]. > > > > > Now I have: > > ~~~ > > $ uname -a > > Linux computer0 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian > > 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux > > You can do one of two things to get the beowulf kernel - either install > linux-image-amd64, which is a metapackage that will always install the > latest available kernel, or you can install the kernel by the full package > name, currently linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64. I am using a -rt-amd64 kernel (for audio-related needs), so the kernel package which I am interested to should be: linux-image-4.19.0-8-rt-amd64 I haven't installed it yet because the system is stable and I would like to avoid problems because I'm using it for remote working. I will update the kernel during next ween-end... > If you do the latter, stay alert to when -9 comes out. You won't get it > automatically. If you mean I will need to update it manually, I will do it... > > 2. Having upower installed, I have downgraded upower packages as suggested > > in [1], to avoid problems like bug#394 [2] which seems mainly related to > > cinnamon. But I do not have cinnamon... So what I should do? Downgrade or > > not? If not, how to disable downgrading of those packages? > > Take the downgrade. It's not really a downgrade; it's an upgrade to a > lower-numbered version. (We no longer need to fork upower.) Ah ok. Great. Thanks a lot for your advices. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpc45K9oExsr.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Hi Mark Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:28:21 + - Mark Hindley : > > 1- There is one aspect of the upgrade that I don't think is in place, and > > that I would like to point out: elogind, libelogind0, libpam-elogind have > > not been upgraded; indeed these packages are marked as 'upgradable'. How > > should I manage this situation? > > To help us work out why, what does `apt policy libsystemd0 libelogind0 elogind > libpam-elogind' produce? See below (calf-plugins also was not upgraded): ~~~ $ apt policy libsystemd0 libelogind0 elogind calf-plugins libsystemd0: Installato: 241-7~deb10u3 Candidato: 241-7~deb10u3 Tabella versione: 244.3-1~bpo10+1 100 100 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports/main amd64 Packages *** 241-7~deb10u3 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status libelogind0: Installato: 234.4-2 Candidato: 241.4-2 Tabella versione: 241.4-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 234.4-2 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status elogind: Installato: 234.4-2 Candidato: 241.4-2 Tabella versione: 241.4-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 234.4-2 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status calf-plugins: Installato: 0.0.60-4+b1 Candidato: 0.90.1-2 Tabella versione: 0.90.1-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 0.0.60-4+b1 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status ~~~ > Does `apt install libpam-elogind' fix it? Hum... that's what I have: ~~~ $ sudo apt-get install libpam-elogind Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto Generazione albero delle dipendenze Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto I seguenti pacchetti aggiuntivi saranno inoltre installati: elogind libelogind0 I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI: libsystemd0 I seguenti pacchetti saranno aggiornati: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind 3 aggiornati, 0 installati, 1 da rimuovere e 1 non aggiornati. ~~~ It sounds good... Should I apply? > > 3. Programs with a graphic display started complaining about the warning > > "Couldn't register with accessibility bus: ..." [3][4]. Putting 'export > > NO_AT_BRIDGE=1' in /etc/environment seems to have blocked the alerts. I > > don't know if it's a real solution or just a workaround that doesn't solve > > the underlying problem. > > They are harmless. But installing at-spi2-core ought to make them disappear. at-spi2-core was already installed... Thanks -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpiOrTs4lxcA.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Hi all Yesterday I dist-upgrade ASCII 2.1 (MATE DM) to Beowulf, following [1]. Overall, the upgrade appears to have gone well; the process has completed and the system is fully functional. But there are some details (maybe minor issues) I would like to report, also with some questions. Now I have: ~~~ $ uname -a Linux computer0 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux $ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Debian Description:Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf) Release:3 Codename: beowulf ~~~ 1- There is one aspect of the upgrade that I don't think is in place, and that I would like to point out: elogind, libelogind0, libpam-elogind have not been upgraded; indeed these packages are marked as 'upgradable'. How should I manage this situation? 2. Having upower installed, I have downgraded upower packages as suggested in [1], to avoid problems like bug#394 [2] which seems mainly related to cinnamon. But I do not have cinnamon... So what I should do? Downgrade or not? If not, how to disable downgrading of those packages? 3. Programs with a graphic display started complaining about the warning "Couldn't register with accessibility bus: ..." [3][4]. Putting 'export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1' in /etc/environment seems to have blocked the alerts. I don't know if it's a real solution or just a workaround that doesn't solve the underlying problem. 4. After the upgrade, gtk has lost the font configuration, meaning that gtk applications had a generic sans font with an almost illegible minimum size. I suppose it's due to a change in the gtk theme. I solved it by manually setting font and size using Gtk-ChTheme. 5. Some MATE problems: 5.1. MATE shows a very *huge* amount of errors in .xsession-errors 5.2. The trash icon don't work as expected anymore: if the trash can contains data then the full-trash icon and its label are displayed; when empty, there isn't any trash icon bau the label is still in place. I suppose this is a problem with the theme and/or the svg icon being used (but I cannot figure out which one is among the many svg trash icons in /usr/share/icons ...) 5.3. MATE (1.20.4) has changed its default typeface which now is the *ugly* Cantarell, as used in Gnome 3 [5]. Since I don't really like Cantarell, I had to manually revert default MATE fonts to DejaVu... Please let me know your suggestions. Regards -- [1] https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf [2] https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=394 [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1056820 [4] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/532585/getting-dbind-warnings-about-registering-with-the-accessibility-bus [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantarell_(typeface) -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpHQ0_PrYhUv.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
25/02/2020 16:29:58 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon : > So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? First of all I would like to thank you all for the many interesting and useful answers. As I mentioned, my desire is to have a highly usable, easily configurable, stable over time UI. The problem is that I don't have much time available to implement a highly customized solution: for this reason I have been using MATE since its early releases (to avoid gnome3) and I can't decide to change. Someone asked why wanting to change MATE, the reason is the concern of being sooner or later "forced" to do so in case MATE evolves too much in directions that do not seem "appropriate" to me (systemd oriented deps, freedesktop / gnome3 "external" deps, wayland etc.) ... I have read the release notes for MATE 1.24 [1] and the roadmap [2] and some things seemed worrying to me: - they say "If your system doesn't, uh, support systemd [...]" uh ??? why uh ??? - they are going to: "Add support for AccountsService" "Complete support for systemd-logind" "Add support for Wayland" However, keeping in mind the advices I received from all you, I did some quick tests using a VM. The ideal for me would certainly be a pure openbox WM. But at the moment it would take me too long to arrive at a satisfactory configuration such as usability and pleasantness, in addition to the effort to change many of my habits ... I think LXDE could be a good compromise for me, because it has openbox but it is faster to configure and more "close" in use for those who come from a different "ready-made" DM... For now I am continuing to use MATE ... Soon I will do the upgrade ASCII -> Beowulf and then decide what to do... In the meantime, it would be useful for me to understand better if my concerns about MATE are sensible or are just some form of paranoia ... I thank those who want to give me an opinion on this. Regards [1] https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2020-02-10-mate-1-24-released/ [2] https://wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!pages/roadmap.md pgp4DNpDXUkMf.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Which DE?
Hi all I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long experiments)? Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + css + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? Thanks in advance -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpTf8IKehFnR.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Clean install of ascii: / is huge ~ 40gb
13/02/2020 19:33:27 +1100 Ralph Ronnquist : > Traversing / directly like that is not a good idea. Rather do: > > # mount -obind / /mnt > # du -sh /mnt/* > > so that you traverse the root file system without traversing all special > mounts (/proc, /sys etc) > > Thenn you'll do > # umount /mnt Indeed... On my updated 2.1 ASCII machine (with MATE desktop) and a lot of packages installed, I have / with a total of about 9GB: ~~~ 18M /mnt/bin 29M /mnt/boot 12K /mnt/dev 13M /mnt/etc 4,0K/mnt/home 220M/mnt/lib 5,0M/mnt/lib32 4,0K/mnt/lib64 5,6M/mnt/libx32 16K /mnt/lost+found 48K /mnt/media 4,0K/mnt/mnt 850M/mnt/opt 4,0K/mnt/proc 4,0K/mnt/root 4,0K/mnt/run 14M /mnt/sbin 16K /mnt/srv 4,0K/mnt/sys 16K /mnt/tmp 7,9G/mnt/usr 392K/mnt/var (some special dirs omitted) ~~~ > > On 2020-02-13 03:26, Owen wrote: > >> > >> The / partition was set as 40gb to be safe but today an "apt-get upgrade" > >> failed due to lack of space: > >> > >> I've increased / to 60gb but I was never expecting it to ever get past > >> 10gb. So, this is strange... Maybe checking disk usage as above could help. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpbGU7kos2cU.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Hyperbola is ditching the Linux kernel...
Hi I would like to point out an announcement from the Hyperbola website, which I think may be interesting to report here mainly for the reasons they highlight about future choices (see in particular the part 'Reasons for this ...' at the end of the text ... ). Regards https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-roadmap/ Due to the Linux kernel rapidly proceeding down an unstable path, we are planning on implementing a completely new OS derived from several BSD implementations . This was not an easy decision to make, but we wish to use our time and resources to create a viable alternative to the current operating system trends which are actively seeking to undermine user choice and freedom . This will not be a “distro” , but a hard fork of the OpenBSD kernel and userspace including new code written under GPLv3 and LGPLv3 to replace GPL-incompatible [0] parts and non-free ones [1]. Reasons for this include: - Linux kernel forcing adaption of DRM, including HDCP [2]. - Linux kernel proposed usage of Rust [3] (which contains freedom flaws [4] and a centralized code repository that is more prone to cyber attack and generally requires internet access to use.) - Linux kernel being written without security and in mind. (KSPP is basically a dead project and Grsec is no longer free software) - Many GNU userspace and core utils are all forcing adaption of features without build time options to disable them. E.g. (PulseAudio [5] / SystemD / Rust [6] / Java [7] as forced dependencies) [0] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses [1] https://notabug.org/jadedctrl/libertybsd-scripts-mirror/issues/5 [2] https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10084131/ [3] https://lwn.net/Articles/797828/ [4] https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:main:rusts_freedom_flaws [5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659338 [6] https://www.infoworld.com/article/3165424/mozilla-binds-firefoxs-fate-to-the-rust-language.html [7] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem_id=57217 -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpxBLK9xuam5.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problem installing Devuan-ascii
24/10/2019 11:19:14 -0400 Hendrik Boom : > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:04:36AM +0200, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: [...] > > I suggest you could create partitions *before* the installing process, using > > a "live" tool such is: > > https://gparted.org/livecd.php > > > > Then install using these partitions. > > That's likely a valid workaround. > But is there perhaps a problem with the ascii installer? I did not use the installer on my main machine, as have I upgraded directly from jessie... When I have installed ascii on my sister's machine, a lot of time ago, I remember it worked... But the ascii installed may be was a different version than the actual... Not sure... More recently, I have installed ascii also creating partitions on two different machines (uefi bios), without any problem. But different systems could have different issues... Using a good "live" tool just for partitioning might help you to find which is the problem in your case (and if it is related to the installer or not)... Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpPTYSzAC3R4.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problem installing Devuan-ascii
Hi Robert 14/10/2019 15:38:36 +0700 Robert Parker : > My several attempts at installing this on a desktop amd machine in legacy > mode do nothing but take me to a grub prompt. > Examining the result using system-rescue-cd reveal that no useable > partitions were created during the install. > > I have made a new install of xubuntu-18.04.3, partitioned the way I want. > Email from a successful user of Devuan tells me that he installed his > Devuan over the top of a Ubuntu system which was partitioned the way he > wanted it. Is this possible? I suggest you could create partitions *before* the installing process, using a "live" tool such is: https://gparted.org/livecd.php Then install using these partitions. > After 10 years of happy use of ubuntu variants, somewhere between systemd > and the snap software installer garbage, ubuntu has been converted into a > bigger POS than Windows. Unfortunately, you are right IMHO Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpt58LcoYBWw.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Future of gNewSense: Debian or Devuan?
Il giorno sabato 03/08/2019 12:36:10 -0300 pekman ha scritto: > I think GNewSense is welcome. > > Devuan will be a great basis for your development. The work to do is > not complex. I myself was able to remove all Non-Free Software on my > own and install Linux Libre bundled with Jason Self. That sounds very interesting indeed. Could you please give details of these procedures? Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpADaSz5jkji.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Future of gNewSense: Debian or Devuan?
Il giorno giovedì 01/08/2019 12:26:02 -0400 Steve Litt ha scritto: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:29:39 +0200 > Narcis Garcia wrote: > > > Missatge reenviat > > Assumpte: Re: [gNewSense-users] Stepping down > > Data: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:45:32 +0200 > > De: Sam Geeraerts > > A: gnewsense-us...@nongnu.org > > > > On 29/07/19 17:10, Will Hill wrote: > > > It would probably be easier to take non free software out of Devuan > > > than it is to take Systemd out of Debian, so I'll be happy if > > > gNewSense continues the easy way. > > > > Indeed, at least technically. If there's anyone here who knows some > > Devuan people it would be interesting to hear from him/her. > > There's not enough context here to understand, [...] Hi I was a gnewsense user (and a contributor to the website documentation also) in the past. [0] [0] http://www.gnewsense.org/Main/HomePage gnewsense was one of the first distributions listed among the "Free GNU/Linux distributions" which follow the FSF's "Free System Distribution Guidelines (GNU FSDG)". This means they include, and propose, exclusively free software, rejecting nonfree applications, nonfree programming platforms, nonfree drivers, nonfree firmware “blobs”, nonfree games, and any other nonfree software, as well as nonfree manuals or documentation. [1] [1] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html The last gnewsense release was 4.0 of May 2016, derived from Debian (platforms: i386, amd64, Lemote Yeelong) but with a Linux-libre kernel and only with libre packages (using a "Builder" script to remove nonfree software). [2] [2] https://savannah.nongnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=8535 About ten days ago (Jul 23), Sam Geeraerts announced the gnewsense-dev mailing list that it has decided to step down as the maintainer of gNewSense. [3] [3] https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-dev/2019-07/msg0.html Therefore, I think I understand that the actual "gnewsense context" is: - find a new manteiner, and contributors - restart development to produce a new updated version - decide which distribution to base on for the future The quoted message above come from the gnewsense-users mailing list [4], where there is some discussion about which base distribution gnewsense should adopt in the future. [4] https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2019-07/msg00011.html It seems to me the discussion is just about technicals details they need to know to decide how to move on. > Anyway, if this is a suggestion to yank all nonfree out of Devuan and > call it something else, that's fine with me. As a matter of fact, > Devuan could slowly, selectively and judiciously make the same > substitutions as the child distro. +1 -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp1FSKkJuPkz.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] usb automount
Il giorno giovedì 18/07/2019 20:31:20 +0200 Andreas Messer ha scritto: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 08:16:31PM +0200, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Please I need your help. > > > > I have installed a fresh ASCII on a small barebone pc to be used as audio > > server. Using MATE and lightdm. > > > > I have also installed some multimedia stuff and apt updated & upgraded > > packages. > > > > When I plug any usb stick as normal user, it is not automounted and I get a > > 'not authorized to perform operation' error; I can mount the stick manually > > as root (sudo). > > > > Which is the problem? Any idea? > > Could you please check if you have installed: > > libpam-elogind > elogind > libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 > > If not, install these packages, log out and in again. Should work > afterwards I missed the libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 package (maybe because it conflicts with mate-power-manager, which is not needed being mate-power-manager-common enough). So, now usb automount is back! Thank you a lot Andreas. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp6tiQ2hGz3n.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] usb automount
Please I need your help. I have installed a fresh ASCII on a small barebone pc to be used as audio server. Using MATE and lightdm. I have also installed some multimedia stuff and apt updated & upgraded packages. When I plug any usb stick as normal user, it is not automounted and I get a 'not authorized to perform operation' error; I can mount the stick manually as root (sudo). Which is the problem? Any idea? Thanks in advance -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpKYdTaBhj6k.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Where to reply for Steve Litt
Il giorno giovedì 23/05/2019 20:07:17 -0400 Steve Litt ha scritto: > On Thu, 23 May 2019 15:21:30 -0700 > Rick Moen wrote: > > [snip] > > My claws-mail has a reply-to-list, which *usually* does the right thing My cent in this regard... At the ML side: - dng ML user configuration (https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/dng) has the 'Avoid duplicate copies of messages?' option which could be set ON At the user side, claws-mail (IMO the best available email client) is great handling MLs [1]: - has a Reply-to-list feature (needs the ML has been configured (by admins) to send the 'List-Id:' header, as is with the dng ML) - let users to perform a Reply-to-list when receiving ML emails in digest mode with respect to _each_ single message in the digest (needs MIME digests has been activated in the ML user configuration) - let user to define 'actions' to run terminal commands with emails... - let user to define filtering and pre and/or post processing rules... and more [1]: - let user complete control over spam management (official plugin) - handle signed and/or encripted emails (PGP/GPG and S/MIME) (official plugin) - multiple accounts and both mailbox and mbox formats are supported - ... I am sending this message with claws-mail, from one of my several email accounts, selecting the message to which to reply from the digest, signing the reply with GnuPG directly in the compose windows, and using reply-to-list to send... Regards [1] https://www.claws-mail.org/features.php -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgplSnVfwXD2v.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] systemd0, login/elogind, udev/eudev, dbus
Hi I have Ascii + Mate-1.16 on a amd64 machine. My system come from Debian Wheezy, which I upgraded to Jessie in August 2016, which I later upgraded to Ascii in July 2018. Looking at the installed packages, I found things that I would like to better understand and manage, with your kind support. # 1- systemd0 $ dpkg -l | grep .systemd. ii libsystemd0:amd64 Is it right? # 2- login/elogind $ dpkg -l | grep .login. ii login I thought I had elogind... If I try to remove 'login' I have a warning "the system may be unusable". What should I do? # 3- udev/eudev $ dpkg -l | grep .udev. ii eudev 3.2.2-13 ii gir1.2-gudev-1.0:amd64 230-3 ii libeudev-dev:amd64 3.2.2-13 ii libeudev1:amd64 3.2.2-13 ii libgudev-1.0-0:amd64230-3 ii libgudev-1.0-dev:amd64 230-3 ii libinput-bin1.6.3-1 ii libudev-dev:amd64 1:3.2.2+devuan2.11 ii libudev1:amd64 1:3.2.2+devuan2.11 ii system-config-printer-udev 1.5.7-3+b1 ii udev1:3.2.2+devuan2.11 Both udev and eudev (and some libraries) are installed... Do not sure what should I have here, and what should I do... # 4- dbus $ dpkg -l | grep .dbus. ii at-spi2-core 2.22.0-6+deb9u1 ii dbus 1.10.22-1+devuan2 ii dbus-x11 1.10.22-1+devuan2 ii libdbus-1-3:amd64 1.10.22-1+devuan2 ii libdbus-1-dev:amd64 1.10.22-1+devuan2 ii libdbus-glib-1-2:amd640.108-2 ii libdbus-glib-1-dev0.108-2 ii libdbusmenu-glib4:amd64 12.10.2-2 ii libdbusmenu-gtk4:amd6412.10.2-2 ii libnet-dbus-perl 1.1.0-4+b1 ii libqt4-dbus:amd64 4:4.8.7+dfsg-11 ii libqt5dbus5:amd64 5.7.1+dfsg-3+deb9u1 ii libqtdbus4:amd64 4:4.8.7+dfsg-11 ii python-dbus 1.2.4-1+b1 ii python3-dbus 1.2.4-1+b1 ii python3-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5 5.7+dfsg-5 ii qdbus 4:4.8.7+dfsg-11 Dbus is istalled, also with a lot of related stuff... And this is the mess: $ apt-cache showpkg dbus Package: dbus Versions: (snip) Reverse Depends: dbus-1-dbg,dbus 1.10.8-1+devuan1~5.gbped435d udisks,dbus slim,dbus libdbus-1-3,dbus libdbus-1-3,dbus 1.9.16-1~ dbus-x11,dbus dbus-tests,dbus network-manager,dbus 1.9.18 xdg-dbus-proxy-tests,dbus x2goserver-xsession,dbus ocserv,dbus nfs-ganesha,dbus libdbus-1-3,dbus 1.9.16-1~ mumble-server,dbus gajim,dbus policykit-1,dbus zemberek-server,dbus xineliboutput-sxfe,dbus wmshutdown,dbus wmpomme,dbus wicd-daemon,dbus usbguard,dbus urfkill,dbus upower,dbus ulatencyd,dbus udisks2,dbus system-tools-backends,dbus 1.1.2 syncevolution-dbus,dbus spacefm-gtk3,dbus spacefm,dbus smart-notifier,dbus slim,dbus rtkit,dbus rhythmbox,dbus python3-secretstorage,dbus python3-dbus-tests,dbus python-secretstorage,dbus python-dbus-tests,dbus python-carquinyol,dbus pommed,dbus policykit-1,dbus policycoreutils-sandbox,dbus 1.8 phonefsod,dbus pacemaker,dbus open-infrastructure-container-tools,dbus ofono,dbus oddjob,dbus ocserv,dbus network-manager,dbus 1.1.2 neard,dbus mumble-server,dbus mpdris2,dbus mdbus2,dbus ltsp-client-core,dbus loginkit,dbus live-task-recommended,dbus lightdm,dbus libxineliboutput-sxfe,dbus libunique-3.0-0,dbus libunique-1.0-0,dbus libsyncevolution0,dbus libsyncevo-dbus0,dbus libgdbussyncevo0,dbus libdbus-1-3,dbus gnucash,dbus 1.8~ kupfer,dbus gvfs-daemons,dbus gsm0710muxd,dbus gpsd,dbus gpomme,dbus dbus-1-dbg,dbus 1.10.26-0+deb9u1 gnome-flashback,dbus gnome-do,dbus gajim,dbus fso-gsm0710muxd,dbus fso-gpsd,dbus fso-frameworkd,dbus fso-deviced,dbus fprintd,dbus firewalld,dbus ffado-tools,dbus 1.0.0 ffado-dbus-server,dbus 1.0.0 evolution,dbus elogind,dbus 1.4 distcc,dbus dbus-x11,dbus dbus-tests,dbus dbus-test-runner,dbus avahi-daemon,dbus 0.60 corosync-notifyd,dbus consolekit,dbus 1.1.2 connman,dbus certmonger,dbus bluez,dbus blueman,dbus accountsservice,dbus audacious,dbus ario,dbus Dependencies: 1.10.22-1+devuan2 - adduser (0 (null)) lsb-base (0 (null)) libapparmor1 (2 2.8.94-0ubuntu1) libaudit1 (2 1:2.2.1) libc6 (2 2.14) libcap-ng0 (0 (null)) libdbus-1-3 (5 1.10.22-1+devuan2) libexpat1 (2 2.0.1) libselinux1 (2 2.0.65) default-dbus-session-bus (16 (null)) dbus-session-bus (0 (null)) 1.10.8-1+devuan1~5.gbped435d - adduser (0 (null)) init-system-helpers (2 1.3~) lsb-base (2 3.2-14) libapparmor1 (2 2.8.95) libaudit1 (2 1:2.2.1) libc6 (2 2.14) libcap-ng0 (0 (null)) libdbus-1-3 (5 1.10.8-1+devuan1~5.gbped435d) libexpat1 (2 2.0.1) libselinux1 (2 2.0.65) dbus-x11 (0 (null)) Provides: 1.10.22-1+devuan2 - 1.10.8-1+devuan1~5.gbped435d - Reverse Provides: How I should
Re: [DNG] New application ready to test: hopman
Il giorno mercoledì 24/04/2019 01:24:09 +1000 wirelessd...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > On 24 Apr 2019, at 01:06, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >> Le 23/04/2019 à 13:22, Edward Bartolo via Dng a écrit : > >> Making it a Debian package should be easy. Use dh_make to create a [snip] > May I suggest looking at this reference? Apologies if you have already seen > it. > > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html [snip] Hi Let me suggest also this tutorial last updated 2019-03-13: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpymNv0AvFsJ.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
Il giorno venerdì 12/04/2019 10:41:53 +0200 Antony Stone ha scritto: > On Friday 12 April 2019 at 00:53:40, Steve Litt wrote: > > > I suggest we pass the following resolution: > > [cut] > Do we want to emphasise purely "sans-systemd", or do we want to promote > "freedom of init choice"? [cut] > Functionally they come down to the same thing, but I think a positive phrase > is better than a negative one. Hi that's what I suggest, partly agreeing with Antony (I suggest using both, positive first and negative later but explaining) and also thinking it should be better to emphatize more the "human", "social" and "freedom" aspects: At Devuan we favor the advantages for individual users and communities of people, over economic benefits for corporations. We seek to make life fun for all users, developers, caretakers and contributors, promoting freedom of init choice within the overarching umbrella of delivering systemd-free GNU/Linux systems in order to preserve simplicity, modularity and interoperability. === Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp9SrZ35sqPL.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
Il giorno giovedì 11/04/2019 13:27:08 +0200 Edward Bartolo ha scritto: > It was surprising to me to read what Jaromil wrote in one of his > replies regarding the April Fools prank. In short, the statement was > that Devuan takes no responsibility whatever the outcome of its use. What's surprising about this? Perhaps that corporations like Micosoft or RedHat and others, that sell licenses or support fees at high prices, take some responsibility whatever the outcome of their systems? > Any invester will definitely make a lot of effort to avoid such a > possibility that can ruin one's business, as confidence is a very > determinant variable in economics. investors? business? economics? All this is not (or should not, at least I hope) Devuan! I and other people here and out in the world, contributing and/or simply using Devuan systems, we should essentially be interested in safeguarding the principles (technical, ethics etc.) for which Devuan was born. Otherwise what would be the meaning of the Debian fork that is Devuan??? Investors, business, economics are what mainly keeps me (and I hope many more) as far away as possible from Debian, RedHat and many other corporations... These are the same things that would also make DDD equal to others. > This simple principle does not need > a degree in economics to understand. Maybe as well as the disinterested collaboration and the mutual exchange of ideas and support are difficult concepts to understand for those who cannot think if not in "economic" terms... > Although, I was not present in the conferences, I can imagine what was > the problem. That prank was completely misplaced: as someone replied, > one does not joke with security. But in this case security has nothing to do with it, and it was very clear and evident that there was never any problem whatsoever: only corporate interests (and individual paranoia and bullying, maybe involuntary) were involved. The reality has been distorted. I renew full confidence in KatolaZ and Devuan veterans crew, hoping that Devuan will continue as done so far, keeping any economic interest as far as possible. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp84EODwdxfh.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
Il giorno venerdì 05/04/2019 11:22:48 -0700 Rick Moen ha scritto: > Quoting Andrew McGlashan (andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au): > > > What if Katolaz gets hit by a bus? > > Ah! A proper scientific question. There is precedent for this: > http://web.archive.org/web/2003013913/http://segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2=38b40d78-087dd360 Hey Katolaz... I hope at least you are collecting a large collection of amulets against misfortune ;-) ps: It was really a great April's fool, you brought me back about 25 years... Anyway, I had a suspicion that it was a joke, and I don't understand how others haven't had it, nor do I understand all this mess for a problem that with Devuan there hasn't been... I am asking myself: Who uses other systems, asks the same questions or claims the same requirements to those who manage them; and how can we be sure that they have always informed us in the presence of real security problems? Does anyone personally know all the Debian or RedHat sysadmin, just as examples? And based on what are they trusted? Has anyone received the keys to sign the packages directly from all of them? And besides, does anyone care about rootkits that are most likely present in their hardware firmware or kernel blobs, or is this not a real security problem? OK, sorry, I'll stop here ... they were just my irrelevant thoughts, don't take that into account. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpTb1R6qQuZB.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
Il giorno venerdì 05/04/2019 13:50:03 + chill...@protonmail.com ha scritto: > Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package another > browser to try to solve the problem, since it comes from the hyperbola > project. Another is the GNU/IceCat browser: - IceCat project https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ - downloads: https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ - bug-gnuzilla mailing-list archives https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/ - user documentation https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/ Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpHvK5uhKXfT.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi 3B+. Sound card driver installation.
Il giorno giovedì 14/03/2019 23:23:52 +0100
Edward Bartolo ha scritto:
> I have a raspberry Pi with a Pi DAC Pro sound for which there is no
> driver installed. Searching online takes me to readily prepared
> operating system images that I do not want to use as I am using
> Devuan. Does anyone know what I should do to be able to use the Pi DAC
> Pro sound card under Devuan?
I think the 1st thing is the ALSA setup.
Configuration files are:
~/.asoundrc
/etc/modprobe.d/alsausb.conf
I have a barebone computer working as audio server, with an external Audiolab
DAC connected via USB:
~~~
$ cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [MDAC ]: USB-Audio - Audiolab M-DAC
Lakewest Audio Audiolab M-DAC at usb-:00:1d.0-1.6, full
speed
1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI
HDA Intel HDMI at 0xf7d0 irq 43
$ lsusb
...
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0451:adac Texas Instruments, Inc.
...
~~~
As an example of what your setup might be, here is my ~/.asoundrc :
~~~
pcm.!default{
type plug
slave {
pcm "hw:0,0"
channels 2
}
}
~~~
and, using a usb connection, my /etc/modprobe.d/alsausb.conf :
~~~
# ALSA portion
options snd cards_limit=2
alias snd-card-0 snd-usb-audio
alias snd-card-1 snd-hda_intel
options snd-usb-audio index=0
options snd-hda_intel index=1
# OSS/Free portion
alias sound-slot-0 snd-usb-audio
alias sound-slot-1 snd-hda-intel
~~~
There are also a lot of system optimization you can do if you want you machine
being a better bit-perfect real-time audio...
Anyway, other setup is required if you are using a software audio server.
I have mpd running, and here (as na example) is the content of my mpd
configuration file /ect/mpd.conf (the DAC setup is in the
`audio_output`section) :
~~~
# Files and directories ###
## music directory: local files
music_directory "/media/AUDIO/AudioHiFi"
## playlist directory
playlist_directory "/home/mmusr/.mpd/playlists"
## other
db_file "/home/mmusr/.mpd/database"
log_file"/var/log/mpd/mpd.log"
sticker_file"/home/mmusr/.mpd/sticker.sql"
pid_file"/tmp/mpd.pid"
state_file "/tmp/mpd.state"
# General music daemon options
## user / group that MPD will run as
user"mpdusr"
## Network
bind_to_address "localhost"
port"6600"
## Other daemon settings
log_level "default"
restore_paused "yes"
auto_update "no"
state_file_interval "300"
# Symbolic link behavior ##
#
# following symbolic links outside of the configured music_directory
#follow_outside_symlinks"yes"
# following symbolic links inside of the configured music_directory
#follow_inside_symlinks "yes"
# Zeroconf / Avahi Service Discovery ##
zeroconf_enabled"no"
# Input ###
input {
plugin "curl"
}
# Audio Output
## ALSA output
audio_output {
type"alsa"
name"MDAC"
device "hw:0,0"
mixer_type "none"
replay_gain_handler "none"
dsd_usb "no"
auto_resample "no"
auto_channels "no"
auto_format "no"
}
# Character Encoding ##
filesystem_charset "UTF-8"
id3v1_encoding "UTF-8"
# Playlist plugins
playlist_plugin {
name "cue"
enabled "yes"
}
playlist_plugin {
name "embcue"
enabled "yes"
}
playlist_plugin {
name "flac"
enabled "yes"
}
playlist_plugin {
name "m3u"
enabled "yes"
}
playlist_plugin {
name "extm3u"
enabled "yes"
}
playlist_plugin {
name "rss"
enabled "yes"
}
~~~
Obviously, you should refer to *your* specific hardware and software
configuration, having a closer look to the ALSA (and MPD if used) documentation.
Hope it helps.
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Re: [DNG] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id -- new dbus version
Il giorno lunedì 11/03/2019 11:04:53 +0100 aitor_czr ha scritto: > > Unitil I will migrate to Beowulf, I guess adopt this proposed solution: > > > > 1) symlink /etc/machine-id to /var/lib/dbus/machine-id > > > > 2) run boot: echo date +%s%N | md5sum | cut -c 1-32 > > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id > > > > So please help me: what is the right way to run the previous command at > > each boot? > > The short answer, locate it in /etc/init.d and give permissions to it: > > # chmod +x
Re: [DNG] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id -- new dbus version
Il giorno venerdì 08/03/2019 23:58:02 +0100 KatolaZ ha scritto: > Dear D1rs, > > following the discussion about /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, you find a > new version of dbus in unstable and beowulf. The new version is > 1.12.12-1+devuan2, and it should hit pkgmaster in the next 10 minutes. > > [cut] > > Regarding /etc/machine-id: it looks like it is installed only by > systemd, so any devuan installation which originally was a Debian > might probably have it. ]...]My guess is that it should be possible to > remove it altogether. If any application wants it (somebody mentioned > chromium) you could replace it with a symlink to > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id. > > I guess replacing /etc/machine-id every 10 minutes [...] Hi I am using ASCII, migrated from Jessie, migrated from Debian (maybe but I do not remember)... Unitil I will migrate to Beowulf, I guess adopt this proposed solution: 1) symlink /etc/machine-id to /var/lib/dbus/machine-id 2) run boot: echo date +%s%N | md5sum | cut -c 1-32 > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id So please help me: what is the right way to run the previous command at each boot? Another point... I have: $ hostid 007f0101 What the best to do about this? Keep this value? Change it to what else? ... Thank you Regards -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
Il giorno sabato 09/03/2019 13:25:29 +0100
Alessandro Selli ha scritto:
> [cut]
> > Maybe your system is different to mine, but try compiling the below
> > and find out for yourself:
> >
> > #include
> > #include
> >
> > int main()
> > {
> > int id;
> >
> > id = gethostid();
> >
> > printf("my id is 0x%08x\n", id);
> >
> > return 0;
> > }
>
> my id is 0x007f0101
>
> [...]
>
> my id is 0x007f0101
>
> [...]
>
> my id is 0x007f0101
>
using the `hostid` command, I have (Devuan ASCII):
$ hostid
007f0101
which is the same value!!!
I wonder... is it a "fixed" id for all Devuan installation as it seems to be?
And if it is so,is it correct that it is?
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Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id
Il giorno sabato 09/03/2019 10:54:08 +0100 KatolaZ ha scritto: > On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 09:05:20AM +0100, marc wrote: > > [cut] > > > [cut] > > [cut] > > In any case, there are dozens of ways to identify a host and a user > with very good accuracy, even across reboots and even when it travels > through different locations, [...] sure > [...] so the cure is to make sure that no > unwanted usage of this information is made by the software you > run. > And the only guarantee for that is that the code is free and open > source. uhm... unfortunately I would not be so sure about this ... first, because we commonly call "free and open" even programs (and libraries) that are not, and this because "free and open" refers to the license, and the license does not guarantee anything compared to many "social" aspects such as privacy example (an example: the vanilla kernel, which is GPL2, is stuffed with binary blobs ... another example: the LGPL libraries, which can be used together with malicious code); and it does not even guarantee anything about the hardware it runs on ... second, because even if the code "free and open" is inspectable, then it must be done and, in this case for example, that it is also done with respect to privacy ... and I do not think that always happens ... regards -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [car...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4393-1] systemd security update]
Il giorno lunedì 18/02/2019 23:44:01 +0100 Didier Kryn ha scritto: > Le 18/02/2019 à 23:38, KatolaZ a écrit : > > Please upgrade your systemd packages :P > > It's automatic and unattended on Devuan (~: ... and a 9GB hidden partition is reserved to safely store updates :o -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy
Il giorno mercoledì 30/01/2019 18:57:05 -0600 goli...@dyne.org ha scritto: > On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > Might interest someone: > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ > > > > [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet > > > > Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human > > suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in > > audiences". Benno Rice took his inspiration from that definition for > > his > > 2019 linux.conf.au talk on the story of systemd which, he said, > > involves > > no shortage of suffering. His attempt to cast that story for the > > pleasure of his audience resulted in a sympathetic and nuanced look at > > a > > turbulent chapter in the history of the Linux system. > > > > ___ > > > > Unfortunately . . . > > "The page you have tried to view (Systemd as tragedy) is currently > available to LWN subscribers only." > > Too bad. Might have been entertaining . . . > > golinux > Some tragedy happens also in the audio world: https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-user/2019-January/111568.html Regards -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. __ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] libreplanet discussing systemd vs sysvinit
Hi all Just a notice on this thread at libreplanet: [libreplanet-discuss] a question to developers (not packagers) re. systemd vs. sysvinit https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2017-03/msg00017.html -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] wheezy to devuan migration
Hi all! I am following devuan since it has started (also with a little contribution) talking about it the distributions based on devuan to my friends and at work. So, first of all: thanks! Now, it is the time for me to migrate my system from wheezy to devuan, so I need some info and advices... Please help me: HOWTOs a) dev1fanboy's guide at: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan seems to be quite accurate and updated... Is it? There are other good (accurate & updated) sources I should read? More advices? REPOs b.1) Are these: deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main the right and only repositories I should use? b.2) Are there others? b.3) How is the correspondence between devuan and debian repos (main, contrib, non-free)? Does devuan's 'jessie main' is the same of debian's 'jessie main'? ENV My system: Linux xxx 3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 3.2.81-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux c.1) I am using mate as DE, not xfce. Should I expect any problems? c.2) My system is targeted to graphics and realtime audio. Should I expect any problems? Thank you all in advance. Regards -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change
On 2016-02-04 07:03, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Do you agree to renaming netman? NO -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop.
This is my first email here, so... Hi all! And thanks Devuan. (And sorry for my bad English.) > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:46:40 +0100 > From: Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> > To: dng <dng@lists.dyne.org> > Subject: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop. > > [...] > Call me paranoid but I am noticing big companies like Microsoft making > it very difficult to buy a computer or laptop without Windows > installed. > > Are you experiencing the same difficulty and what do you do when you > need to buy a new machine? My personal experience follow: (1) Computer (desktop/workstation) I assemble my computers by myself. First I prepare a sort of project, listing all the components I need to buy. I select *ALL* the single hardware components checking to have 100% Linux compatibility (have to run in a 100% free software system, with neither kernel binary blobs nor binary firmware modules). More, the motherboard should support BIOS (or UEFI) replacement (coreboot or libreboot). Some useful resources are: https://www.h-node.org/ http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/desktop-computers-gnu-linux and others... Also I check compatibility between components (product specifications, forums, friends/contacts etc.). Then I bought the hardware I need components (new components or, much better, refurbished or reused components if I could find them), assemble my computer by myself and, finally, install a *100%-libre-GNU/Linux-system*! Yes. Not simple as to buy a pre-build computer coming from a big company... The cost is usually the same (and often is less), but consider the unpayable fun of the hardware+software hacking experience! (2) Laptop Assembling laptops starting from hardware components (where to found them?) is too hard... So my options are: (a) buy a new or (better) refurbished 100% libre/free (in the sense I have written above) laptop... some resources are: https://shop.libiquity.com/product/taurinus-x200 http://minifree.org/product-category/laptops/ http://minifree.org/product/libreboot-t400/ http://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/ https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/notebook-computers-gnu-linux-2 (b) buy a new or (better) refurbished or used laptop which could be upgraded to became 100% free i.e. some good ThinkPad models would be 100% libre/free except for the wifi card (requiring a binary firmware)... so it is just to be replaced... some replacement here: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux Once I have the free hardware, again I install on my laptop a *100%-libre-GNU/Linux-system*! Regards -- al3xu5 / dotcommon Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
