Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet? -- SOLVED

2021-10-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:38:08AM -0700, spiralofhope wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:15:13 -0400
> Hendrik Boom via Dng  wrote:
> 
> > Machine works fine now, running devuan ascii.
> 
> That's good news.
> 
> I guess memory can "wear out", but hopefully the memory wasn't damaged
> by some fault in the motherboard or power.  I hope your new memory is
> safe.

I hope so too.

It seems to be working well enough for a seamless upgrade from ascii to 
beowulf, anyway. While continuing to receive email and the website 
remaining up.  I guess I'll see how seamless it really was when I reboot. 

-- hendrik

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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet? -- SOLVED

2021-10-27 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:15:13 -0400
Hendrik Boom via Dng  wrote:

> Machine works fine now, running devuan ascii.

That's good news.

I guess memory can "wear out", but hopefully the memory wasn't damaged
by some fault in the motherboard or power.  I hope your new memory is
safe.

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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-27 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 09:49:20 -0500
goli...@devuan.org wrote:

> Took a while to get them to play nice. Seems that only one 
> configuration of sticks in the 4 slots would work. Hardware . . . 
> grr . . .

When there's a problem, the hardware guys blame software, and the
software guys blame hardware.  :)
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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet? -- SOLVED

2021-10-27 Thread Hendrik Boom via Dng
Not dead, but just injured.
Replaced two 312M RAM cards with one faster 2G RAM card.
Old RAM defective; tech told me that its speed was actually mismatched to
the rest of the system, slowing it down.  Of course "defective" was the
crucial issue, not speed.
Machine works fine now, running devuan ascii.

Next plan: upgrade to current chaemera in stages

Thank you for all the testing suggestions.  They really helped narrow down
the problem.  Not mention moral support.

-- hendrik
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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-27 Thread golinux

On 2021-10-27 00:35, spiralofhope wrote:


This may be obvious, but a memory testing suggestion:

Remove all but one stick

With that one stick in a particular slot, memtest

If failed, repeat with each single stick in that same slot

If all fail, move up a slot and test each stick

I know it's a pain, but it might determine if the any/all memory sticks
or if the motherboard are bad.



I am hardware-phobic but I can do a few things like switch out ram.  
Some years ago, I got some shiny new sticks to increase my ram to 8 gb. 
They all seated well but nada. I switched some around several times. 
Still nada. By this time, I'd had enough, packed it up and took it to my 
local hardware guy. He removed them all all and basically did the above 
procedure.  Took a while to get them to play nice. Seems that only one 
configuration of sticks in the 4 slots would work. Hardware . . . 
grr . . .


golinux

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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-27 Thread onefang
Oops, sorry, replied directly to spiralofhope instead of the list.

On 2021-10-26 22:35:57, spiralofhope wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:15:15 -0400
> Hendrik Boom via Dng  wrote:
> 
> > I'll have to replace the RAM, I guess.  Or find out what memory bus
> > is failing.
> 
> I know this sounds odd, but I had memory errors galore which were
> solved by a new power supply.
> 
> Apparently a jackass flipping breakers off and on quickly had stressed
> it out.  Linux worked without complaint but Windows 8.1 occasionally
> bluescreened.  If you have a spare PSU, try that first.

I've had that sort of arsehole in the past to.  A paranoid guy that
thought everyone else in the house was an undercover cop spying on him. 
He would kill the power to the house every now and then.

> This may be obvious, but a memory testing suggestion:
> 
> Remove all but one stick
> 
> With that one stick in a particular slot, memtest
> 
> If failed, repeat with each single stick in that same slot
> 
> If all fail, move up a slot and test each stick
> 
> I know it's a pain, but it might determine if the any/all memory sticks
> or if the motherboard are bad.

I've had to do that in the past, the result was that I found out it was
one particular slot in the mother board, all the RAM was fine.  Replaced
the motherboard, all was fine.

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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-27 Thread Steve Litt
Hendrik Boom via Dng said on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:15:15 -0400

>Chimaera didn't help, though the symptoms changed.
>I booted from the chimaera live desktop, and it started looking
>hopeful, but before much was running it had a kernel panic -- attempt
>to kill init. Yes, I checked the checksum on the download.
>And when I used chimaera to boot another computer (a Purism laptop) it
>worked flawlessly.

Just for fun --- is your video hardware nVidia? NVidia hardware, its
proprietary drivers, and its reverse-engineered FOSS drivers make all
sorts of nasty intermittent problems.

You can get a good, simple, modern Radeon card pretty cheap these days.
No good for gaming, but I watch videos with it just fine, and it has no
fan.

If replacing nVidea with Radeon doesn't work, I think you've ruled out
the video hardware, and you still have a nice Radeon for your next
build.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-26 Thread spiralofhope
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:15:15 -0400
Hendrik Boom via Dng  wrote:

> I'll have to replace the RAM, I guess.  Or find out what memory bus
> is failing.

I know this sounds odd, but I had memory errors galore which were
solved by a new power supply.

Apparently a jackass flipping breakers off and on quickly had stressed
it out.  Linux worked without complaint but Windows 8.1 occasionally
bluescreened.  If you have a spare PSU, try that first.

-

This may be obvious, but a memory testing suggestion:

Remove all but one stick

With that one stick in a particular slot, memtest

If failed, repeat with each single stick in that same slot

If all fail, move up a slot and test each stick

I know it's a pain, but it might determine if the any/all memory sticks
or if the motherboard are bad.
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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-26 Thread Hendrik Boom via Dng
Chimaera didn't help, though the symptoms changed.
I booted from the chimaera live desktop, and it started looking hopeful,
but before much was running it had a kernel panic -- attempt to kill init.
Yes, I checked the checksum on the download.
And when I used chimaera to boot another computer (a Purism laptop) it
worked flawlessly.

I'm once more suspecting hardware.
Next stop -- memtest.

And memtest shows an enormous number of memory failures.  Which makes me
suspect something systemic, not just a bit here or there.

I'll have to replace the RAM, I guess.  Or find out what memory bus is
failing.

-- hendrik

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 11:26 AM tempforever  wrote:

> Download links are available on the devuan download page
> https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan
>
> choose a mirror (for example, mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/) then navigate
> to the devuan_chimaera/ directory where you will hopefully find a
> desktop-live/ directory which should contain
> devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_[amd64|i386]_desktop-live.iso along with the
> shasums files.  If you prefer not to use http(s), there are ftp mirrors
> and torrent on that same download page.
>
> Hendrik Boom via Dng wrote:
> > Then I'd have to figure out how to get a new kernel into it while it
> crashes during bootup, > which it now does quite consistently. > > If I had
> made recent
> changes (such as upgrades) I'd consider a kernel problem more likely. >
> But it has been running for months with only occasional problems, and
> now I get problems > every time I boot.  Since I haven't done an upgrade
> at all yet this month, I'll suspect hardware. > > Still, I will try,
> say, a chimaera live CD if I can find one.  Where are the Devuan live
> CD's? > I seem to remember that they were called something other than
> "devuan". > (Yes, I'm aware that the live CD will likely be a USB stick)
> > > -- hendrik > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:47 AM Boian Bonev
> mailto:bbo...@ipacct.com>> wrote: >
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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-26 Thread tempforever
Download links are available on the devuan download page
https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan

choose a mirror (for example, mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/) then navigate
to the devuan_chimaera/ directory where you will hopefully find a
desktop-live/ directory which should contain
devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_[amd64|i386]_desktop-live.iso along with the
shasums files.  If you prefer not to use http(s), there are ftp mirrors
and torrent on that same download page.

Hendrik Boom via Dng wrote:
> Then I'd have to figure out how to get a new kernel into it while it crashes 
> during bootup, > which it now does quite consistently. > > If I had made 
> recent
changes (such as upgrades) I'd consider a kernel problem more likely. >
But it has been running for months with only occasional problems, and
now I get problems > every time I boot.  Since I haven't done an upgrade
at all yet this month, I'll suspect hardware. > > Still, I will try,
say, a chimaera live CD if I can find one.  Where are the Devuan live
CD's? > I seem to remember that they were called something other than
"devuan". > (Yes, I'm aware that the live CD will likely be a USB stick)
> > -- hendrik > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:47 AM Boian Bonev
mailto:bbo...@ipacct.com>> wrote: >
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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-26 Thread Hendrik Boom via Dng
Then I'd have to figure out how to get a new kernel into it while it
crashes during bootup,
which it now does quite consistently.

If I had made recent changes (such as upgrades) I'd consider a kernel
problem more likely.
But it has been running for months with only occasional problems, and now I
get problems
every time I boot.  Since I haven't done an upgrade at all yet this month,
I'll suspect hardware.

Still, I will try, say, a chimaera live CD if I can find one.  Where are
the Devuan live CD's?
I seem to remember that they were called something other than "devuan".
(Yes, I'm aware that the live CD will likely be a USB stick)

-- hendrik

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:47 AM Boian Bonev  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Hi Hendrik,
>
> It is clearly saying that is a soft lockup, if it was a hardware problem it
> would say hard lockup isn't it? 
>
> That problem really does not indicate a hardware problem, most probably a
> bug
> in the kernel; it can also show when a kernel driver is waiting for e.g.
> hard
> drive that is slow to respond. Try upgrading to a more recent kernel (e.g.
> 5.10.x or 5.14.x) - maybe the problem is already fixed there? It may also
> be a
> temporary condition - a very rare edge case that made the kernel lockup,
> then a
> reboot will help to clean the state...
>
> With best regards,
> b.
>
> On Mon, 2021-10-25 at 20:28 -0400, Hendrik Boom via Dng wrote:
> > I think I may have a clue to the mysterious stoppages of my server.
> > I ssh'd into it today and got the following.  It is time to give up on
> this
> > machine and replace it?
> >
> > -- hendrik
> >
> >
> > hendrik@april:~$ su -
> > Password:
> > april:~# ps | grep lighttpd
> > ^C^C
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:15:48 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5700.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:16:16 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5728.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:16:52 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5764.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 23s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:17:20 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5792.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:17:56 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5828.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:18:24 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5856.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:18:56 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5888.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:19:24 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5916.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:20:00 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5952.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
> > Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:20:28 ...
> >  kernel:[ 5980.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
> 22s!
> > [ps:9184]
> >
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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-26 Thread Boian Bonev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

Hi Hendrik,

It is clearly saying that is a soft lockup, if it was a hardware problem it
would say hard lockup isn't it? 

That problem really does not indicate a hardware problem, most probably a bug
in the kernel; it can also show when a kernel driver is waiting for e.g. hard
drive that is slow to respond. Try upgrading to a more recent kernel (e.g.
5.10.x or 5.14.x) - maybe the problem is already fixed there? It may also be a
temporary condition - a very rare edge case that made the kernel lockup, then a
reboot will help to clean the state...

With best regards,
b.

On Mon, 2021-10-25 at 20:28 -0400, Hendrik Boom via Dng wrote:
> I think I may have a clue to the mysterious stoppages of my server.
> I ssh'd into it today and got the following.  It is time to give up on this
> machine and replace it?
> 
> -- hendrik
> 
> 
> hendrik@april:~$ su -
> Password: 
> april:~# ps | grep lighttpd
> ^C^C
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:15:48 ...
>  kernel:[ 5700.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:16:16 ...
>  kernel:[ 5728.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:16:52 ...
>  kernel:[ 5764.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 23s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:17:20 ...
>  kernel:[ 5792.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:17:56 ...
>  kernel:[ 5828.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:18:24 ...
>  kernel:[ 5856.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:18:56 ...
>  kernel:[ 5888.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:19:24 ...
>  kernel:[ 5916.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:20:00 ...
>  kernel:[ 5952.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 
> Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:20:28 ...
>  kernel:[ 5980.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!
> [ps:9184]
> 

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Re: [DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-26 Thread d...@d404.nl

On 26-10-2021 02:28, Hendrik Boom via Dng wrote:

I think I may have a clue to the mysterious stoppages of my server.
I ssh'd into it today and got the following.  It is time to give up on 
this machine and replace it?


-- hendrik


hendrik@april:~$ su -
Password:
april:~# ps | grep lighttpd
^C^C
Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:15:48 ...
 kernel:[ 5700.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:16:16 ...
 kernel:[ 5728.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:16:52 ...
 kernel:[ 5764.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 23s! [ps:9184]



Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:17:20 ...
 kernel:[ 5792.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:17:56 ...
 kernel:[ 5828.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:18:24 ...
 kernel:[ 5856.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:18:56 ...
 kernel:[ 5888.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:19:24 ...
 kernel:[ 5916.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:20:00 ...
 kernel:[ 5952.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:20:28 ...
 kernel:[ 5980.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck 
for 22s! [ps:9184]


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I would try another kernel version first that solved it on one of my 
desktops.


Grtz

Nick

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[DNG] Is it dead yet?

2021-10-25 Thread Hendrik Boom via Dng
I think I may have a clue to the mysterious stoppages of my server.
I ssh'd into it today and got the following.  It is time to give up on this
machine and replace it?

-- hendrik


hendrik@april:~$ su -
Password:
april:~# ps | grep lighttpd
^C^C
Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:15:48 ...
 kernel:[ 5700.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]

Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:16:16 ...
 kernel:[ 5728.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]

Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:16:52 ...
 kernel:[ 5764.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
23s! [ps:9184]


Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:17:20 ...
 kernel:[ 5792.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]

Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:17:56 ...
 kernel:[ 5828.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]

Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:18:24 ...
 kernel:[ 5856.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]

Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:18:56 ...
 kernel:[ 5888.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]

Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:19:24 ...
 kernel:[ 5916.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]

Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:20:00 ...
 kernel:[ 5952.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]

Message from syslogd@april at Oct 25 20:20:28 ...
 kernel:[ 5980.156005] NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for
22s! [ps:9184]
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