Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 10:20:04PM +, chill...@protonmail.com wrote: > > Note that I deliberately didn't call systemd GNU/Linux, as it doesn't leave > much of GNU left. Imho an important point against the propoganda is that it's > a very different OS. > I call it systemd/Linux, to distinguish it from GNU/Linux and Android/Linux. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
Imo this is not a losing battle. The ascii release is a win for many with the increased desktop support. The propaganda is a battle of it's own. A corporation will have an upper hand there, but a bigger issue is the belief systemd will make Linux popular on the desktop. The bigger issue remains as it has always been, lack of platform support for games and other popular applications that have little to do with init. Note that I deliberately didn't call systemd GNU/Linux, as it doesn't leave much of GNU left. Imho an important point against the propoganda is that it's a very different OS. Cheers, chillfan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:09:13 -0500, Эльбрус wrote in message <1532624953.7475.10.ca...@asynchronousexchange.com>: > On Thu, 2018-07-26 at 18:10 +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl > wrote: > > > > I am not into conspiracy theories and keep it simple: > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html and then ask why the hell > > does someone wants a init system to do all this stuff? Easy answer: > > latest row in table on that page "Easily writable, extensible and > > parseable service files, suitable for manipulation with enterprise > > management tools" which is not by coincidence the main business of > > Red Hat. > > > > Grtz. > > > > Nick > > I agree with this latest point. While most probably they placed a > backdoor in systemd, they may have plenty of them in the hardware and > linux kernel. Access in the military goes by the security clearance of > the individuals, thus any backdoor in systemd may just add another > layer to the stack. ..any chance that systemd backdoors can be used to control, or at least learn more about these hardware backdoors? > The largest profit of systemd arises from withdrawing the control of > the users from their own machines, the same way android and windows > did so successfully. More sheep, more profits for everybody, more > easy to rule over them. For 30 years they have fought against linux > systems because users do whatever they want with their machines. ..30 years? I could believe 25 or so years, of seriously meant backdoor engineering by these 3 letter .gov et al agencies on us, and that's assuming they were on the ball on Linus' first post. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:40:02 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message <20180726194002.kdw7ht2dv52b6...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 11:07:42AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > > > Anyone thinking of dissing a nation on this *technical* list > > > should look long and hard at the deficiencies of his/her own > > > country. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. > > > > Careful. Those Icelanders have plenty of hard rocks, and some of > > them are really hot, too. ;-> > > So does Hawaii. ..er, like Trump's rock hard toughness on Putin?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzwuTBx93uA ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
"Propoganda"? Why not use the more appropriate word, "marketing"? This kind of mail threads should be marked as SPAM or TRASH. Devuan needs to prove itself to be a viable alternative that works, and that lets computer admins/users configure their systems as they need, without the requirement of unnecessarily hard workarounds. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
Steve Litt [2018-07-26 18:44]: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:00:45 +0200 > Basati wrote: > >> I would like to recall that RedHat is a company of the American >> military complex. With close relations with civil intelligence and >> the military of the United States > > Damn Americans! Every one of them voted for Trump, owns ten > semiautomatic rifles, owns stock in Red Hat, loves systemd, profits > and enjoys his country's military complex. > > Let's make a deal, you and I. I won't accuse your people of being > separatist terrorists if you don't accuse mine of being > Redhat loving militarists. > > Anyone thinking of dissing a nation on this *technical* list should > look long and hard at the deficiencies of his/her own country. Let he > who is without sin cast the first stone. > > Steve Litt > Orlando, Florida, USA > Campaigned and voted for Clinton in 2016 > As if that should be anyone's business but mine > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Well said! Americans are the worst and the best people in the world - just like anyone else! -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 11:07:42AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > Anyone thinking of dissing a nation on this *technical* list should > > look long and hard at the deficiencies of his/her own country. Let he > > who is without sin cast the first stone. > > Careful. Those Icelanders have plenty of hard rocks, and some of them > are really hot, too. ;-> So does Hawaii. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Anyone thinking of dissing a nation on this *technical* list should > look long and hard at the deficiencies of his/her own country. Let he > who is without sin cast the first stone. Careful. Those Icelanders have plenty of hard rocks, and some of them are really hot, too. ;-> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
On Thu, 2018-07-26 at 18:10 +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 26-07-18 18:00, Basati wrote: > > I would like to recall that RedHat is a company of the American military > > complex. With close relations with civil intelligence and the military of > > the > > United States > > > > I acknowledge that I used this argument with the DGN trap prior to the fork. > > > > My opinion has not changed systemd is a troll horse not yet activated. When > > it > > is impossible to remove and has thousands and thousands of lines of code > > that > > make it very difficult to audit. They'll open the back door. > > > > For 30 years they have not been able to cope with linux systems. They come > > and > > go as they please on the windows. > > > > The article is clearly biased. It lies and does the same thing that was > > done > > in debian to obviate the underlying reason. > > > > We don't have the resources or the contacts to fight this battle. > > > > But we have something much more powerful. We have devuan, its very > > existence > > is already a resistance. As the number of developers and users increases > > little by little. It will strengthen us to deal with this. > > > > But they can do NOTHING, we are the ones who DO. > > > > I honestly don't think we should waste time with these propaganda anti > > devuan > > actions by redhat. I'm convinced they're behind the article. It's their > > specialty that they know how to intoxicate. > > > > Basati > > > > > I am not into conspiracy theories and keep it simple: > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html and then ask why the hell does > someone wants a init system to do all this stuff? Easy answer: latest > row in table on that page "Easily writable, extensible and parseable > service files, suitable for manipulation with enterprise management > tools" which is not by coincidence the main business of Red Hat. > > Grtz. > > Nick I agree with this latest point. While most probably they placed a backdoor in systemd, they may have plenty of them in the hardware and linux kernel. Access in the military goes by the security clearance of the individuals, thus any backdoor in systemd may just add another layer to the stack. The largest profit of systemd arises from withdrawing the control of the users from their own machines, the same way android and windows did so successfully. More sheep, more profits for everybody, more easy to rule over them. For 30 years they have fought against linux systems because users do whatever they want with their machines. Regards. -- Elbrus Kondratiev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:00:45 +0200 Basati wrote: > I would like to recall that RedHat is a company of the American > military complex. With close relations with civil intelligence and > the military of the United States Damn Americans! Every one of them voted for Trump, owns ten semiautomatic rifles, owns stock in Red Hat, loves systemd, profits and enjoys his country's military complex. Let's make a deal, you and I. I won't accuse your people of being separatist terrorists if you don't accuse mine of being Redhat loving militarists. Anyone thinking of dissing a nation on this *technical* list should look long and hard at the deficiencies of his/her own country. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Steve Litt Orlando, Florida, USA Campaigned and voted for Clinton in 2016 As if that should be anyone's business but mine ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
On 26-07-18 18:00, Basati wrote: > I would like to recall that RedHat is a company of the American military > complex. With close relations with civil intelligence and the military of the > United States > > I acknowledge that I used this argument with the DGN trap prior to the fork. > > My opinion has not changed systemd is a troll horse not yet activated. When > it > is impossible to remove and has thousands and thousands of lines of code that > make it very difficult to audit. They'll open the back door. > > For 30 years they have not been able to cope with linux systems. They come > and > go as they please on the windows. > > The article is clearly biased. It lies and does the same thing that was done > in debian to obviate the underlying reason. > > We don't have the resources or the contacts to fight this battle. > > But we have something much more powerful. We have devuan, its very existence > is already a resistance. As the number of developers and users increases > little by little. It will strengthen us to deal with this. > > But they can do NOTHING, we are the ones who DO. > > I honestly don't think we should waste time with these propaganda anti devuan > actions by redhat. I'm convinced they're behind the article. It's their > specialty that they know how to intoxicate. > > Basati > I am not into conspiracy theories and keep it simple: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html and then ask why the hell does someone wants a init system to do all this stuff? Easy answer: latest row in table on that page "Easily writable, extensible and parseable service files, suitable for manipulation with enterprise management tools" which is not by coincidence the main business of Red Hat. Grtz. Nick signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.
I would like to recall that RedHat is a company of the American military complex. With close relations with civil intelligence and the military of the United States I acknowledge that I used this argument with the DGN trap prior to the fork. My opinion has not changed systemd is a troll horse not yet activated. When it is impossible to remove and has thousands and thousands of lines of code that make it very difficult to audit. They'll open the back door. For 30 years they have not been able to cope with linux systems. They come and go as they please on the windows. The article is clearly biased. It lies and does the same thing that was done in debian to obviate the underlying reason. We don't have the resources or the contacts to fight this battle. But we have something much more powerful. We have devuan, its very existence is already a resistance. As the number of developers and users increases little by little. It will strengthen us to deal with this. But they can do NOTHING, we are the ones who DO. I honestly don't think we should waste time with these propaganda anti devuan actions by redhat. I'm convinced they're behind the article. It's their specialty that they know how to intoxicate. Basati Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
