Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual, politics and society
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Massimo Coppola wrote: > Please don't ever take things personally, anyone: the boat moves too > much and may topple, so we should _all_ stay sitting. It really does > not matter who shook it first or most. well said Massimo, thanks it doesn't matter at all who is who. we are looking forward to some understanding, with the most possible inclusion ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual, politics and society
Dear all as a usually silent listener, I do understand the exceptional need for moderation. Do not destroy the comunity with noise or completely not relevant topics: beyond some point this cannot be ignored, even in spite of useful tecnnical contribution, as it drives away more contributions. What Jaromil asked to Miro should really be taken seriously by everyone. I also wish to say that this is not a fight arena or a market: we don't need to break even with each other, and if someone ends up moderated because he really crossed the line, it does not mean we all automatically gain the right to go in the same direction or that much far. Please don't ever take things personally, anyone: the boat moves too much and may topple, so we should _all_ stay sitting. It really does not matter who shook it first or most. Since I like to try and be coherent with what I suggest to you all, I will not comment further on the thread: I hope I made myself clear and I did not offend anyone. But in case you think I am mistaken and out of topic, feel free to put my address on your ignore list. It may be a good start. Kind regards Massimo -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ Eternity is a mere moment, just long enough for a joke.(H. Hesse) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
People, Please stop replying, just apply the Del key. Because unless the list gnomes apply the cluestick (or worse), nothing will stop those who want to continue with their OT rants, self-righteously claiming they can do so because someone else also did. Cheers, Ron. -- Everyone talks about apathy, but no one does anything about it. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
you were warned, now in moderation. hope we are finished here? I definitely do not love doing this... to all newcomers please refer to this guide to understand what is going on and how to respect this open space for discussion about Devuan http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt especially the one-to-many section. The DNG mailinglist is the first campfire after the debianfork declaration, it now counts more than 500 subscribers and is almost 4 years old. Please do keep on topic, avoid personal attacks (also to developers of systemd!!) and refrain from telling us your world view, because we are many different people and we are not here to talk just about anything, but about Devuan. Any off-topic post accompained by disrespect for the diversity gathered here won't be tolerated and sadly moderated. Please also understand we do not love moderation nor have a dedicated staff for it, so fuzz may happen and is acted upon with a certain delay. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 06:07:52PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > My mail was an ironical way to remind of historical facts related to > Devuan and to repair the incredibly offensive words you wrote here, > abusing our open space. > > Beware I have zero tolerance on the subject you are now using to > attack me ad-personam, a subject which is OT on Devuan and most > importantly, an aggression against minorities, as you are waving the > right for unconsensual treatment against them. > > You are now moderated. I'm not even sure we'll have time to approve > your mails. So long for your favorite ranting space and helpdesk. Please tell me you're going to moderate extreme left views as well. I for one find both bible-thumping and SJWery to be equally repulsive. Neither has a place on a list devoted to discussing ways to fix regressions caused by systemd. And I hope you won't dismiss me without thinking -- while there's a lot more I should have been doing, at least I'm not all talk, having contributed to openrc, de-pulsification or my repository of de-systemdized packages. I'd prefer to have a place to ask for advice -- for example, it looks like there's an important battle coming by related to replacing logind now that -shim is falling apart (thus letting the systemd crowd claim a reason to make GUIs systemd-only) -- but if this mailing list is going to turn into an echo chamber for the extreme left, I don't think I'd be able to stay. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ A dumb species has no way to open a tuna can. ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A smart species invents a can opener. ⠈⠳⣄ A master species delegates. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
> From: goli...@dyne.org > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > On 2017-07-19 11:28, Fungi4All wrote: >>> Meow! >> >> I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I >> got from the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of >> the team >> that made devuan is what brought us here we should stick to our common >> interest >> of the system under this specific philosophy . . . > [political rant] > Good grief. GET A GRIP! What you"re saying may be very true. BUT THIS > IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. Please cultivate some restraint and THINK > before posting if you want to continue to post here. > golinux YOU GET A GRIP among other things. I have been bombarded with crypto-nazi propaganda for days and didn't say a word, and you are going to get strict with me! Seriously, if something else bothered you say so, or get a mental health advise or exercise restraint for who you choose to threaten of being silenced. Go and look at the stats of how many emails I have received on the subject before I chose to make a statement. REALLY GET A GRIP BECAUSE YOUR ARE REVEALING A CERTAIN IDENTITY___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
On 2017-07-19 11:28, Fungi4All wrote: Meow! I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I got from the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of the team that made devuan is what brought us here we should stick to our common interest of the system under this specific philosophy . . . [political rant] Good grief. GET A GRIP! What you're saying may be very true. BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. Please cultivate some restraint and THINK before posting if you want to continue to post here. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
> Meow! I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I got from the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of the team that made devuan is what brought us here we should stick to our common interest of the system under this specific philosophy (# of bugs is irrelevant if you want to struggle under the same ideals as those diclared by founders). Although I totally reject all symbolism as significant, color choices and symbols have little to do with why we are here. On the other hand, and I am unfortunately not gay, if such a rumor goes around and keeps out all kinds of fascists, authoritarians, religious freaks, nationalists and all sorts of fanatic fans of anything, I will not mind at all, nor will I be willing to participate in any such change. I will have to think about it in more detail, but going to a gay parade with a rainbow flag and a Devuan logo or t-shirt is within the scope of things I do. :) If it pisses off systemd priesthood, google-nazis, mozilla-nationalists, and microsoft cops, I am all for giving them heartache. Unfortunately as stated above is that I am socially conditioned to fear to love or be loved by a person of the same gender. It is a psychopathology that lucky gay people don't have or they have overcome that fear. And I am dedicated to the struggle of being free. Fortunately I did love my father and love my son, comfortably. But "gender ideology", get a grip of yourselves. There is nothing more conservative than not having an ideology, from being middle of the road, or neutral. Were you neutral when the Turks exterminated Armenians, when the Cypriots were exterminating Turks, when the Nazis exterminated the Jews, or when the US invaded Serbia, or when Greek authorities were murdering Syrian refugees trying to reach the coast? What in this world is it that you don't care about and you are neutral about. 10 centuries of English apartheid in Ireland maybe? At least fascists have an alibi of having a belief, you have nothing, whoever you are being neutral, you consumer you, you false excuse for a being!___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > I don't think, and I believe I speak here for a huge majority of > people, I don't think they came to Devuan to be in anything like a > gay club... noone came here to read you ranting about homosexuals being sick and in need of cure. You started this, so now its your choice to end it here. My mail was an ironical way to remind of historical facts related to Devuan and to repair the incredibly offensive words you wrote here, abusing our open space. Beware I have zero tolerance on the subject you are now using to attack me ad-personam, a subject which is OT on Devuan and most importantly, an aggression against minorities, as you are waving the right for unconsensual treatment against them. You are now moderated. I'm not even sure we'll have time to approve your mails. So long for your favorite ranting space and helpdesk. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 03:11:16PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:51:48 + Miroslav Rovis > wrote: > > I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you, you just do not > know when to stop digging ;-) Actually, at this point I'd say it's Miroslav who's right (even though I vehemently disagree with ideology he's pushing). Basically, we have proponents of two, extremely and about equally vile, worldviews, and one of these sides doesn't stop hypocritically calling everyone bigots and demanding them to stop talking while keeping promoting their side. It's not to say the other is any better -- they have a history of using violent means to silence opposition, up to and including genocide; I'm just pointing out that it's the Left that's in force on this list. And at this time, the Left has a near-monopoly on racism, sexism, and so on, despite their own rhetoric. The Right also has massive downsides (like, keeping a coal plant of 30MV+ running just two days kills one human by short-term pollution alone, not including long-term global warming), etc. The total amount of evil on both sides is staggeringly high, and surprisingly balanced. I'd elaborate more but such a discussion would be the worst idea if we want to turn down the flames. Thus, I'd propose an, at least temporary, ban on issues not related to getting rid of systemd and other software nastiness, running a distribution, assorted _tech_ banter. Even telling us your daughter damaged her bike by driving onto a porcupine, while OOT, is harmless. On the other hand, let's forbid discussing _here_ the matters of orange nazi clowns vs the Mother of Lies, pushing leftist or rightist views of sexuality, and so on, so on. It's hard to have sex over a TCP/IP connection, you see -- thus it's completely irrelevant to people not in your proximity. And I'm saying this as someone whose country is undergoing a coup by extreme Right that's likely to leave us worse than Turkey -- so I don't love them the slightest bit. But let's have balance, and if polite discussion doesn't seem to be possible, let's move such topics elsewhere. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ A dumb species has no way to open a tuna can. ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A smart species invents a can opener. ⠈⠳⣄ A master species delegates. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
On 07/19/2017 10:42 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote: Hi there, On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote: ... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ... Yeah, me too. Putting up with that guy is worse than living with systemd; frankly, taken along with all the other noise on this list, it isn't worth my time even to delete the rants, never mind read them, so I'm going to unsubscribe and go back to Debian. I'll make a note in my diary to pop back in a year or so, if I should live that long, and hope things change for the better - like people getting some sort of a grip on their personalities and actually remembering what this list is for. I'm sorry it didn't work out. On 2017-07-19 10:00, zap wrote: I hope at some point you do return, though maybe we need a better structure for the mailing list... No. We need more tolerance and compassion for those who are socially inept. And also more self-restraint when the urge to post inappropriate, off-topic content to this list arises. This list is not a chat room. Or a soapbox. What has been going on lately is not good for the community. It's driving people away. So please everyone . . . get a grip and THINK before you post. Make those bytes count for something that will advance Devuan. It is NOT about YOU - what you think or feel or believe - but what you can bring to Devuan in a constructive, collaborative way. golinux PS. Bottom posting is preferred on this list. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
> [cutting-259-lines-OT-stuff] > > Could everyone please try to stay on topic and refrain from posting > long and mainly unrelated material of any sort? > > Really Miroslav: first the Croatians and the history of their > heritage. Next the interpretation of the bible. Then a mixture of > random rants about gender and conservatorism. > > Everything potentially interensting, but probably not that much at all > for the large majority of the subscribers of *this* *list*, who are > just focused on getting systemd out of their computers, and developing > Devuan. > > You should probably consider opening a blog for that stuff, and stop > infesting community mailing lists. > > WithLove > > KatolaZ > I don't want to sound nasty, but if people want to leave this mailing list because of problems, this isn't going to solve the problems. Instead of unsubscribing, contacting the admins to put a stop to this, is much more of a solution. they do say patience is a virtue after all... i see why in my own life... but yeah... unsubscribing only helps the person who leaves. let's rally for changes in the mailing list. If this is an issue which I think it may be... and i admit, i was guilty too... but i am willing to change and so should everyone else who is involved. > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
G.W. Haywood writes: it isn't worth my time even to delete the rants, never mind read them, so I'm going to unsubscribe and go back to Debian. It's perfectly possible to run a server on devuan without paying any attention to this list, so you can save yourself the work of reinstalling. I understand there are troubles now and then, and that laptops aren't as stable as one might wish, but my servers run and run. Nice stable linux. Tante grazie to the VUA cabal. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 01:51:48PM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ( some --such as missing-- quotes manually reinserted ) > [cutting-259-lines-OT-stuff] Could everyone please try to stay on topic and refrain from posting long and mainly unrelated material of any sort? Really Miroslav: first the Croatians and the history of their heritage. Next the interpretation of the bible. Then a mixture of random rants about gender and conservatorism. Everything potentially interensting, but probably not that much at all for the large majority of the subscribers of *this* *list*, who are just focused on getting systemd out of their computers, and developing Devuan. You should probably consider opening a blog for that stuff, and stop infesting community mailing lists. WithLove KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
I hope at some point you do return, though maybe we need a better structure for the mailing list... On 07/19/2017 10:42 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote: > Hi there, > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote: > >> ... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ... > > Yeah, me too. > > Putting up with that guy is worse than living with systemd; frankly, > taken along with all the other noise on this list, it isn't worth my > time even to delete the rants, never mind read them, so I'm going to > unsubscribe and go back to Debian. I'll make a note in my diary to > pop back in a year or so, if I should live that long, and hope things > change for the better - like people getting some sort of a grip on > their personalities and actually remembering what this list is for. > > I'm sorry it didn't work out. > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
Am 19/07/2017 um 16:11 schrieb Rowland Penny: > Please stop with the rambling posts that make my eyes glaze over. they > also have little to do with Devuan. Thank you. As far as anyone here is concerned, I'm a female humanoid lizzard married to a human woman. And nobody should care. Just quickly pointing out to d1g's (almost) no code of conduct; which should probably apply everywhere: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=17 -- Evilham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
Hi there, On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote: ... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ... Yeah, me too. Putting up with that guy is worse than living with systemd; frankly, taken along with all the other noise on this list, it isn't worth my time even to delete the rants, never mind read them, so I'm going to unsubscribe and go back to Debian. I'll make a note in my diary to pop back in a year or so, if I should live that long, and hope things change for the better - like people getting some sort of a grip on their personalities and actually remembering what this list is for. I'm sorry it didn't work out. -- 73, Ged. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
Devuandom Welcome To The Pleasuredome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrnvPCSP6Q8 ;> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:51:48 + Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ( some --such as missing-- quotes manually reinserted ) Please stop with the rambling posts that make my eyes glaze over. they also have little to do with Devuan. I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you, you just do not know when to stop digging ;-) Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
