Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
On 29/11/18 16:11, KatolaZ wrote: I think I will be there, and I hope to see many D1rs there;) HND KatolaZ Me too. I can't promise to be there, but i'll try :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Just to clarify, I live in a state called Tennessee, and I have a southern drawl as well, however, most folks on the Devuan team have spoken to me over video chat and I'm apparently comprehensible. Airfare from where I live, in the Knoxville, TN, USA area, to Europe is usually between $1400-2300 USD. However, due to the fact the VUA has given us plenty of forewarning, I've found flights out of Atlanta, which is about a 4 hour drive, for around $650, which for my current situation is reasonable. SteveT - I don't have 6 children, but I do have 3, 19 year old identical twin daughters, and a 7 month old baby boy. You may see him here: https://www.instagram.com/linux.obeardly/ Thanks to everyone for all the great feedback. *Linux O'Beardly* linux.obear...@gmail.com http://o.beard.ly On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 4:59 PM Rick Moen wrote: > [/me nervously looks around for the listadmins before messing around > being off-topic] > > Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > > > And if we find ourselves talking to a call centre in Glasgow - well > > that's worse than the ones in India :D > > Glaswegian's delightful, though, even though there's a learning curve. > Following amusing clip _slightly_ exaggerates it for comic effect: > > http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/02/02/apple-scotland-having-a-wee-bit-of-trouble/ > > Circa 1978, I found myself on the Flying Scotsman (British Rail - R.I.P.) > express train from King's Cross station, London, to Edinburgh, in a > compartment with a teenager from Tryon, North Carolina and a thorougly > drunk Scot. FWIW, I found the soused Scot's brogue easier to parse > than the displaced Southerner's drawl. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
[/me nervously looks around for the listadmins before messing around being off-topic] Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > And if we find ourselves talking to a call centre in Glasgow - well > that's worse than the ones in India :D Glaswegian's delightful, though, even though there's a learning curve. Following amusing clip _slightly_ exaggerates it for comic effect: http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/02/02/apple-scotland-having-a-wee-bit-of-trouble/ Circa 1978, I found myself on the Flying Scotsman (British Rail - R.I.P.) express train from King's Cross station, London, to Edinburgh, in a compartment with a teenager from Tryon, North Carolina and a thorougly drunk Scot. FWIW, I found the soused Scot's brogue easier to parse than the displaced Southerner's drawl. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Quoting Jamey Fletcher (ja...@beau.org): > No, it's because I'm po' - they done repossessed my r and my other o. To > be fair, I'm not quite *that* poor - but $350+expenses for five days in > Amsterdam ($75 a day, I expect?) is pretty much my discretionary spending > for several months gone, and I've been trying to use that to pay down my > various debts. Just the flight alone is half my monthly rent. Then, for your present situation, indeed that would be a very expensive luxury. I hope things improve for you and your household, Jamey. -- Cheers, "I am a member of a civilization (IAAMOAC). Step back Rick Moenfrom anger. Study how awful our ancestors had it, yet r...@linuxmafia.com they struggled to get you here. Repay them by appreciating McQ! (4x80) the civilization you inherited." -- David Brin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Adam Borowski wrote: >> Walking around Glasgow, you might find >> the brogue bewildering, but in Amsterdam? Never. > > There are worse cases. There's a place called "London", where a sign says > "Sloane Square" yet the station announcement (by a person paid to have clear > diction) says "Ten Ske". > > So people in, say, Stockholm, bother to learn English, people in London > don't. Ha, yes that is true ! I think it was Jasper Carrot (a brit comedian from Birmingham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasper_Carrott) who did a gag some years ago about how foreigners go to great lengths to learn English - then they come here and find that we don't speak it. A significant element of his comedy was maming fun of the Birmingham accept (or "Brummy"). And if we find ourselves talking to a call centre in Glasgow - well that's worse than the ones in India :D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:00:56 -0600 "Jamey Fletcher" wrote: > No, it's because I'm po' - they done repossessed my r and my other > o. To be fair, I'm not quite *that* poor - but $350+expenses for > five days in Amsterdam ($75 a day, I expect?) is pretty much my > discretionary spending for several months gone, and I've been trying > to use that to pay down my various debts. Just the flight alone is > half my monthly rent. I bet you don't have six children. SteveT Steve Litt November 2018 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 04:00:03PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Adam: > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > > > Also, don't sweat the language thing. Especially in the > > > Netherlands where everyone seems to speak English with breathtaking > > > acuity, you'd have zero problem. Walking around Glasgow, you might find > > > the brogue bewildering, but in Amsterdam? Never. > > > > There are worse cases. There's a place called "London", where a sign says > > "Sloane Square" yet the station announcement (by a person paid to have clear > > diction) says "Ten Ske". > > > > So people in, say, Stockholm, bother to learn English, people in London > > don't. > > No, we don't learn english here, we learn a mixture of english and > swedish called swinglish :) But at least svangelska is understandable (at least to a person from an European country). It seems like the language can completely differ even by the next street. For example, in Charlottesville (US) people at the university spoke in a way that's completely fine for me, yet a short way away I needed the fine point technique to communicate. But it can go worse. When I was 18, I wore long hair yet had no beard. 22 years ago no man in the US had long hair -- unlike the Europe where it wasn't widespread but at least not an oddity, I don't recall seeing _anyone_ at all with long hair. So in Atlanta, in a public toilet, a guy insisted in Ebonics that it's the toilet for men. I didn't manage to explain... Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Ivan was a wordly man: born in St. Petersburg, raised in ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Petrograd, lived most of his life in Leningrad, then returned ⠈⠳⣄ to the city of his birth to die. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:57:21PM +0100, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > On the fourth anniversary of the birth of Devuan, > once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > # Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam! > > ## From Friday, April 5th through Sunday, April 7th 2019 > > # The power of choice > I think I will be there, and I hope to see many D1rs there ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Quoting Rick Moen : > Quoting Jamey Fletcher (ja...@beau.org): >> Quoting Rick Moen : >> I dunno about you, but I would certainly consider $340-500 a "very >> expensive luxury". > I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I often encounter fellow > Americans who assume it would be far cheaper to go on holiday for five > days to a domestic city (e.g., San Francisco, NYC) than to five days in > Amsterdam, because they never bothered to look up how much food and > lodging costs in SF and NYC relative to Amsterdam. (Answer: much more > expensive. See also: Miami, Santa Barbara, Boston, Honolulu.) [...] > (I suspect mostly, though, it's just a convoluted way of saying 'This is > unfamiliar, and I'd rather stay home. Which, fair enough.) No, it's because I'm po' - they done repossessed my r and my other o. To be fair, I'm not quite *that* poor - but $350+expenses for five days in Amsterdam ($75 a day, I expect?) is pretty much my discretionary spending for several months gone, and I've been trying to use that to pay down my various debts. Just the flight alone is half my monthly rent. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Adam: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > > Also, don't sweat the language thing. Especially in the > > Netherlands where everyone seems to speak English with breathtaking > > acuity, you'd have zero problem. Walking around Glasgow, you might find > > the brogue bewildering, but in Amsterdam? Never. > > There are worse cases. There's a place called "London", where a sign says > "Sloane Square" yet the station announcement (by a person paid to have clear > diction) says "Ten Ske". > > So people in, say, Stockholm, bother to learn English, people in London > don't. No, we don't learn english here, we learn a mixture of english and swedish called swinglish :) Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Also, don't sweat the language thing. Especially in the > Netherlands where everyone seems to speak English with breathtaking > acuity, you'd have zero problem. Walking around Glasgow, you might find > the brogue bewildering, but in Amsterdam? Never. There are worse cases. There's a place called "London", where a sign says "Sloane Square" yet the station announcement (by a person paid to have clear diction) says "Ten Ske". So people in, say, Stockholm, bother to learn English, people in London don't. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Ivan was a wordly man: born in St. Petersburg, raised in ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Petrograd, lived most of his life in Leningrad, then returned ⠈⠳⣄ to the city of his birth to die. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Quoting Jamey Fletcher (ja...@beau.org): > Quoting Rick Moen : > > > Quoting Linux O'Beardly (linux.obear...@gmail.com): > > >> Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare > >> from the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury [...] > > > (Hi, son of a commercial airline captain, here.) > > > > International (IAD). Round-trip fares are running currently around > > $340-500. Inexpensive lodging abounds in Amsterdam, and public > > transportation is cheap and very reliable, not to mention the city being > > very walkable. > > I dunno about you, but I would certainly consider $340-500 a "very > expensive luxury". I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I often encounter fellow Americans who assume it would be far cheaper to go on holiday for five days to a domestic city (e.g., San Francisco, NYC) than to five days in Amsterdam, because they never bothered to look up how much food and lodging costs in SF and NYC relative to Amsterdam. (Answer: much more expensive. See also: Miami, Santa Barbara, Boston, Honolulu.) So, if the total of that $340-500 airfare plus other costs is far too much, and yet a similar stay in a popular domestic city is more, then I'm certainly sympatheic: It sucks to be unable to find dicretionary funds. But whether it's a 'very expensive luxury' is a relative matter, and being anywhere, including at home, also incurs costs. (I suspect mostly, though, it's just a convoluted way of saying 'This is unfamiliar, and I'd rather stay home. Which, fair enough.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Quoting Rick Moen : > Quoting Linux O'Beardly (linux.obear...@gmail.com): >> Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare >> from the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury [...] > (Hi, son of a commercial airline captain, here.) > International (IAD). Round-trip fares are running currently around > $340-500. Inexpensive lodging abounds in Amsterdam, and public > transportation is cheap and very reliable, not to mention the city being > very walkable. I dunno about you, but I would certainly consider $340-500 a "very expensive luxury". ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Quoting Linux O'Beardly (linux.obear...@gmail.com): > Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare from > the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury [...] (Hi, son of a commercial airline captain, here.) Mark, I would encourage you to look into the exceptions. I see on your blog that you're a participant in DC Linux Users Group, so you _might_ be in the Washington, DC metro area. (That does not necessarily follow, For example, people on the Melbourne, Victoria LUG mailing list who invite me to join them down at the pub are sometimes surprised to hear that this would be a logistical challenge, starting from near San Francisco as I would be -- rather a ways to travel even for a pint of Victoria Bitter.) Taking the DC metro area as an example, I note that WOW air (somewhat obscure Icelandic low-cost carrier), Icelandair, American Airways, British Airways, Aer Lingus, and others fly to Amsterdam-Schipol (AMS) from either Baltimore-Washington International (BWI) or Dulles International (IAD). Round-trip fares are running currently around $340-500. Inexpensive lodging abounds in Amsterdam, and public transportation is cheap and very reliable, not to mention the city being very walkable. One tip: Assuming you're a fellow Yank, get in your application for a US passport _ASAP_, because the State Department's Passport Bureau is not really a world-class model of speed and efficiency. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/requirements/where-to-apply/passport-agencies.html Other than that, trans-Atlantic travel is really neither expensive nor difficult. Also, don't sweat the language thing. Especially in the Netherlands where everyone seems to speak English with breathtaking acuity, you'd have zero problem. Walking around Glasgow, you might find the brogue bewildering, but in Amsterdam? Never. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
Jaromil, Thanks for the quick response. I don't know if I'll make it; airfare from the states to Europe is a very expensive luxury, but I certainly hope to and look forward to fraternizing with the Devuan community. *Linux O'Beardly* linux.obear...@gmail.com http://o.beard.ly On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 2:37 AM Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Linux O'Beardly wrote: > > >I don't want to be "that American," so I'm writing to ask: will this > >conference will be done primarily in English or another language? > > it will be entirely in english. Also in Amsterdam you can be reassured > everyone speaks and understands english. the announce contains some > spelling mistakes that may suggest otherwise :^) and that's entirely > my fault to rush it out. > > ciao! > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 08:37:12AM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Linux O'Beardly wrote: > > >I don't want to be "that American," so I'm writing to ask: will this > >conference will be done primarily in English or another language? > > it will be entirely in english. Also in Amsterdam you can be reassured > everyone speaks and understands english. the announce contains some > spelling mistakes that may suggest otherwise :^) and that's entirely > my fault to rush it out. I used to live in Amsterdam; everyone spoke English at the slightest provocation. I tried hard to avoid so provoking them because I was trying to relearn my mostly forgotten native language, Dutch. Well, some exceptions. Young children may not. Though I did meet some five-year-olds who were learning German from the German edition of Sesame Street. And I once met a German tourist who didn't speak either English or Dutch. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Linux O'Beardly wrote: >I don't want to be "that American," so I'm writing to ask: will this >conference will be done primarily in English or another language? it will be entirely in english. Also in Amsterdam you can be reassured everyone speaks and understands english. the announce contains some spelling mistakes that may suggest otherwise :^) and that's entirely my fault to rush it out. ciao! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!
I don't want to be "that American," so I'm writing to ask: will this conference will be done primarily in English or another language? *Linux O'Beardly* linux.obear...@gmail.com http://o.beard.ly On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:57 PM Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > On the fourth anniversary of the birth of Devuan, > once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > # Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam! > > ## From Friday, April 5th through Sunday, April 7th 2019 > > # The power of choice > > > The Devuan Conference 2019 is a not-for-profit event, this means that > the conference fees will cover the bare cost of venue, catering, > logistics and documentation materials. > > At this stage we accept donations and offers for sponsorship: if you > like to help, contact us at or make a donation > using the description '**Devuan Conference**' directly to: > ``` > Paypal: foundat...@dyne.org > ``` > Or via bank wire to the IBAN below : > ``` > Dyne.org foundation (non-profit) > Bank: ABN-AMRO - Amsterdam, The Netherlands > IBAN: NL87ABNA0406496021 > BIC: ABNANL2A > ``` > > # Call for Sponsors > > Space at the conference is limited and we are trying to balance the > amount of registration with the size of the venue and resources > available. Hence registrations at this time are called mainly for > **talks** and **sponsors**. In two weeks we will follow up with more > information and an early bird offer for tickets. > > Please do consider sponsoring this event! We will work hard to give > you and all the conference attendees all the visibility deserved. > > Send your sponsorship proposal to with the > word `sponsor` in the subject. > > If we have enough sponsors to cover all costs we'll be able to grant > free entrance! > > # Call for Papers > > Devuan Conference 2019 is YOUR conference! Please share your ideas and > passion. > > > If you would you like to: > - present on a Devuan-related topic, or > - report on a particularly successful/unexpected/original use of Devuan, or > - host a Devuan-related workshop for users or developers, or > - run a Devuan-focused hacking session, or > - > > Then please contact us at > > If you like to propose a talk please send us a title, description, > length in minutes and any URL or PDF via email, please also include > the word '**CFP**' in the subject. > > # Travel and accomodation > > The costs for reaching and staying in Amsterdam are entirely on > participants, but we hope that by releasing early this call everyone > has enough time to conveniently book a place in this beautiful city > and perhaps allow a couple extra days to visit it and hang out. > > # Live streaming and recording > > The conference will be a great occasion to have in-depth interviews > with developers and adopters as well plenary sessions of Q with the > public, in the hope to exchange more information about the future of > Devuan. The event will be streamed live and recorded and all > recordings will be freely made available online. > > Journalists interested to participate are welcome to contact us, we > will prepare a press folder and make sure they can reach anyone they > want to interview. > > # Contact > > For any further questions please feel free to contact our conference > organisation committee via email at we are > happy to receive suggestions and wishes and requests, to make this the > best possible conference for our community > > # Further steps > > Thanks for reading up to hear! if you or anyone else is interested > please make sure to subscribe our devuan-announce list here: > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-announce > updates will follow in the coming months, meanwhile if you are sure to > attend make sure to reserve your tickets and stay in Amsterdam: on 5-7 > April 2019 the very first Devuan Conference is happening! > > Happy Hacking! > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
