Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 at 23:09:30 +0100 Alessandro Selliwrote: > On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 at 18:03:21 +0100 > Irrwahn wrote: > > [...] > >> According to: >> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all >> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no >> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me >> smell like negligent package maintenance, > > Here it says why: > > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/roxterm/rss > > Removed 3.3.2-1 from unstable > > --- Reason --- > ROM; Upstream discontinued; has RC bug > -- Roxterm's developer gave up due to the complexities of adapting/ working around GTK3 features: https://sourceforge.net/p/roxterm/discussion/422638/thread/60da6975/?limit=25#46a9 Tony Houghton - 2016-05-25 I'm afraid the time has come to put ROXTerm to sleep. I've had a look over the code and latest GTK API and I'm pretty sure there is no quick fix for bug #125, in fact there is even more code relying on the old geometry than I realised, and I could end up messing around with it for months trying to get all the sizing features right. The only satisfactory solution would be a major rewrite, which isn't really justified by whatever distinctive features ROXTerm offers over anything else that people (including myself) are relying on. With such a big bug in the way it doesn't seem worth tackling the other outstanding issues. Apologies to all the people who have taken time to report and discuss them. There is one potential killer feature I can think of, and that's to integrate the functionality of something like tmux or screen with remote capability, but I think that would require at least major support from a reworked vte, and I think it's over-ambitious for me. So, unless anyone else wants to take this over (seems unlikely), I'll soon start doing things like getting it removed from Debian. Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
Adam Borowski wrote on 03.01.2018 00:31: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:03:21PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: >> According to: >> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all >> there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no >> clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me >> smell like negligent package maintenance > > Yes, it is negligent package maintenance -- both upstream and in-Debian > maintenance. To get roxterm back, you'd need to step up for both positions. Ah, just as I thought! > Stuff won't fix itself... > > In the meantime, you can use one of remaining terminals. I see 31 that > declare Provides:x-terminal-emulator, and a wild guess is that only around > half of available terminals declare this tag. Luckily I'm not the one who asked for it; I seem to remember to have tried it once quite some time ago, and wasn't any more impressed by it than by any other old terminal emulator. Thanks for the info anyway. Best regards Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:03:21PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > According to: > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all > there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no > clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me > smell like negligent package maintenance Yes, it is negligent package maintenance -- both upstream and in-Debian maintenance. To get roxterm back, you'd need to step up for both positions. Stuff won't fix itself... In the meantime, you can use one of remaining terminals. I see 31 that declare Provides:x-terminal-emulator, and a wild guess is that only around half of available terminals declare this tag. Meow! -- // If you believe in so-called "intellectual property", please immediately // cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple // of Amon, whose priests will provide you with scribal services for all // your writing needs, for Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory prices. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:37:28PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that > xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as > roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar dependency > list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer version of libvte > (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped. And sakura seems to work quite nicely. Thanks. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 at 18:03:21 +0100 Irrwahnwrote: [...] > According to: > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all > there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no > clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me > smell like negligent package maintenance, Here it says why: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/roxterm/rss Removed 3.3.2-1 from unstable --- Reason --- ROM; Upstream discontinued; has RC bug -- Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2018 schrieb Irrwahn: > Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46: > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >>> I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii. > [...] > >> In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which > >> needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm. > > > > I'm not sure. Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer > > know. I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out. > > > > If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem. > > In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar > feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list > of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for > years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up > along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable > desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain. > > Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels > a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written > entirely(?) in python. > > Urban Terminator on ascii is 1.90 and depends on gtk3 - I was not very surprised to find it not functional any more. But Terminator from jessie (0.97, gtk2) still works on ascii. Anyway, nothing beats urxvt :-) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
Didier Kryn wrote on 02.01.2018 17:37: > Le 02/01/2018 à 17:13, Irrwahn a écrit : [...] >> In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar >> feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list >> of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for >> years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up >> along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable >> desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain. >> >> Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels >> a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written >> entirely(?) in python. > I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that > xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as > roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar > dependency list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer > version of libvte (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped. Yes, xfce4-terminal is quite usable, too, and I just found out I still have it installed. ATM I cannot recall why I stopped using it. Might have tripped over a borked version at some point in the past? According to: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roxterm=names=all=all there are roxterm packages in Debian Jessie and Sid, but I have no clue why it was dropped from Stretch. Situations like this to me smell like negligent package maintenance, so I tend to stay away from those, unless it is absolutely essential to me. (In which case I'd try to coerce the unstable version into whatever suite I'm actually using. The standard disclaimer about "Franken-De(bi|vu)an" systems applies, of course.) Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
Le 02/01/2018 à 17:13, Irrwahn a écrit : Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46: On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit : I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii. [...] In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm. I'm not sure. Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer know. I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out. If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem. In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain. Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written entirely(?) in python. I was a long time user of gnome-terminal. I found recently that xfce4-terminal is very close. xfce4-terminal has the same dependency as roxterm on libvte and libcairo. sakura seems has a very similar dependency list. Both sakura and xfce4-terminal depend on the newer version of libvte (2.91). Seems roxterm is delayed or has been dropped. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
Le 02/01/2018 à 16:46, Hendrik Boom a écrit : On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit : I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii. I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was. It worked find in jessie. In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking. The clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on the one I'm typing on or mousing over. Any ideas? In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm. I'm not sure. Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer know. I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out. If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem. roxterm is available in Devuan-Jessie/main, but not in Ascii. I tried to copy the 3 roxterm* packages from Jessie, but they have a dependency on libvte-2.90-9, while Asii has libvte-2.91-0. I don't think the two versions of the libvte can co-exist and don't know which one is installed on your system. In principle, either the old version is installed and prevents the installation of some other packages, or the new version is installed and your roxterm installation is broken. Didier Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
Hendrik Boom wrote on 02.01.2018 16:46: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: >> Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit : >>> I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii. [...] >> In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which >> needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm. > > I'm not sure. Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer > know. I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out. > > If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem. In case you become interested in a replacement with a similar feature set, yet still small-ish footprint and reasonable list of dependencies: I can recommend sakura! I've been using it for years now (after gnome-terminal and its clones went belly-up along with the rest of the train wreck that once was a workable desktop environment) and never had reason to look back or complain. Terminator would be another alternative. However, to me it feels a bit sluggish — might have to do with it being seemingly written entirely(?) in python. Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:04:32AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii. > > > >I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was. It > >worked find in jessie. > > > >In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an > >even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking. The > >clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on > >the one I'm typing on or mousing over. > > > >Any ideas? > > In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which > needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm. I'm not sure. Possibly somewhere Steve Litt recommended, but I no longer know. I'll investigate on the off chance I'll find out. If it's not in Devuan, obviously it's not a Devuan problem. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ROXterm flickers in ascii
Le 02/01/2018 à 03:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit : I've been using ROXterm in Devuan ascii. I'm not sure if I was using it in Jessie, but I suspect it was. It worked find in jessie. In ascii, though, there's a lot of flicker in the terminalwhen I ype, an even when I just move the mouse pointer over it withoug clicking. The clicker seems to extend across entire lines of text, only occasionally on the one I'm typing on or mousing over. Any ideas? In which repository did you find roxterm? I can find rox-filer (which needs some hand-made configuration) in ASCII, but not roxterm. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng