Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Edward, congratulations on wrapping this up! However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git i get the following errors: * directory ./backend_src/obj missing * directory ./bin missing * link-time error: backend_src/src/backend.c:248: undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded somewhere? Best regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Mon, 9/21/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: [DNG] What can I do after netman? To: "dng" Date: Monday, September 21, 2015, 11:41 AM > > Dear All, > Since netman is effectively ready, and I can still offer my coding > services to the Devuan project, I would like to ask what task should I > take as my second attempt at helping with the project? > > Edward ___ Find a project that interests you and join in! Or take on something totally original if you like!! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Tilt, I will guide you to successfully compile both the GUI frontend and the CLI backend. If you have the source code, it should not be difficult to build both executables. To compile and build the backend change directory to where the netman source directory is. i) cd netman/backend_src/src Invoke gcc as follows: ii) $ gcc -lm -I../include core_functions.c file_functions.c backend.c essid_encoder.c automated_scanner.c -o backend gcc should create an executable named backend. Please note that you need the math.h library. This was used to calculate the absolute power received from the surrounding wifis iii) Now cd back to where the Lazarus source files are as follows: cd ../../ Your path should change to netman/ To compile the Lazarus frontend, issue this command: fpc -MObjFPC -Scghi -O3 -Tlinux -vewnhi -Filib/x86_64-linux -Fl/opt/gnome/lib -Fu/usr/lib/lazarus/1.2.4/lcl/units/x86_64-linux/gtk2 -Fu/usr/lib/lazarus/1.2.4/lcl/units/x86_64-linux -Fu/usr/lib/lazarus/1.2.4/components/lazutils/lib/x86_64-linux -Fu/usr/lib/lazarus/1.2.4/packager/units/x86_64-linux -Fu. -FUlib/x86_64-linux -l -dLCL -dLCLgtk2 netman.lpr You should now find the netman executable in the same directory. To install copy backend and place it where you suggested me, ie in: /usr/lib/netman/bin And don't forget to change backend's ownership to that of root, ie issue this command: chown root:root backend And also give it an SUID belonging to root as follows: chmod u+s backend Create where to store the various wifi interfaces files as follows: mkdir /etc/network/wifi Edit the /etc/network/interfaces to contain: iface wlan0 inet dhcp but do not use "auto wlan0" Now, run netman, the frontend from wherever you decide and it should find the backend. To enable automatic connections, use the --auto-conn parameter when running the frontend. If you want me to implement indirect support for wlan1, eth1 please tell me. This can be done indirectly using a configuration file. Hopefully, that sets you going. I have been using netman since it has been a foetus of a few days. Edward On 21/09/2015, tilt! wrote: > Hi Edward, > > congratulations on wrapping this up! > > However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at > > https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git > > i get the following errors: > > * directory ./backend_src/obj missing > * directory ./bin missing > * link-time error: > > backend_src/src/backend.c:248: >undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' > > Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded > somewhere? > > Best regards, > T. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 09:35:46PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Tilt, > > I will guide you to successfully compile both the GUI frontend and the > CLI backend. If you have the source code, it should not be difficult > to build both executables. > > To compile and build the backend change directory to where the netman > source directory is. [cut] > > Hopefully, that sets you going. I have been using netman since it has > been a foetus of a few days. > Hi Edward, would it be possible to automate these steps? The question is naturally rhetoric, since the answer is "yes, it is possible (and very easy) to do so, by using either autoconf/automake or something similar, e.g. cmake". I would warmly suggest one of those config/make tools, since nobody is going to maintain a package whose compile and config steps are provided as a TODO list... My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi KatolaZ, What I provided is a guide for Tilt to compile and install netman on his system since there is still no .deb package available. Regarding packaging for Debian including making the source capable of being built by dpkg-buildpackage, that is a task Aitor is taking care of. Edward On 21/09/2015, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 09:35:46PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Hi Tilt, >> >> I will guide you to successfully compile both the GUI frontend and the >> CLI backend. If you have the source code, it should not be difficult >> to build both executables. >> >> To compile and build the backend change directory to where the netman >> source directory is. > > > [cut] > >> >> Hopefully, that sets you going. I have been using netman since it has >> been a foetus of a few days. >> > > Hi Edward, > > would it be possible to automate these steps? The question is > naturally rhetoric, since the answer is "yes, it is possible (and very > easy) to do so, by using either autoconf/automake or something > similar, e.g. cmake". > > I would warmly suggest one of those config/make tools, since nobody is > going to maintain a package whose compile and config steps are > provided as a TODO list... > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] > [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] > [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Tilt, I debianized it, and shortly i will push it to Git, and i will offer also a little APT repository containig it, the lastest version of linux-libre and Compiz Fusion. Now i need a description for netman-gui and netman-backend to add them to the debian/control file. Regards, Aitor. On 22/09/15 04:44, "tilt!" wrote: Hi Edward, congratulations on wrapping this up! However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git i get the following errors: * directory ./backend_src/obj missing * directory ./bin missing * link-time error: backend_src/src/backend.c:248: undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded somewhere? Best regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, Thanks for helping in this project. Here are two little descriptions for the debian/control file. netman, A simple and intuitive GUI network manager that uses a CLI backend as its workhorse. backend, a CLI program that uses ifup and ifdown to connect and disconnect to a wifi. Wired connections are also supported. Various 'interfaces' files are used for wifi configuration. On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Tilt, > > I debianized it, and shortly i will push it to Git, and i will offer > also a little APT repository containig it, the lastest version of > linux-libre and Compiz Fusion. > > Now i need a description for netman-gui and netman-backend to add them > to the debian/control file. > > Regards, > > Aitor. > > On 22/09/15 04:44, "tilt!" wrote: >> Hi Edward, >> >> congratulations on wrapping this up! >> >> However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at >> >> https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >> i get the following errors: >> >> * directory ./backend_src/obj missing >> * directory ./bin missing >> * link-time error: >> >> backend_src/src/backend.c:248: >> undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' >> >> Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded >> somewhere? >> >> Best regards, >> T. > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, When it is time to merge my latest code, please let me know. Edward On 22/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Aitor, > > Thanks for helping in this project. Here are two little descriptions > for the debian/control file. > > netman, A simple and intuitive GUI network manager that uses a CLI > backend as its workhorse. > > backend, a CLI program that uses ifup and ifdown to connect and > disconnect to a wifi. Wired connections are also supported. Various > 'interfaces' files are used for wifi configuration. > > On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: >> Hi Tilt, >> >> I debianized it, and shortly i will push it to Git, and i will offer >> also a little APT repository containig it, the lastest version of >> linux-libre and Compiz Fusion. >> >> Now i need a description for netman-gui and netman-backend to add them >> to the debian/control file. >> >> Regards, >> >> Aitor. >> >> On 22/09/15 04:44, "tilt!" wrote: >>> Hi Edward, >>> >>> congratulations on wrapping this up! >>> >>> However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at >>> >>> https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >>> >>> i get the following errors: >>> >>> * directory ./backend_src/obj missing >>> * directory ./bin missing >>> * link-time error: >>> >>> backend_src/src/backend.c:248: >>> undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' >>> >>> Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded >>> somewhere? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> T. >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Ok, i will push it to 'git.devuan.org' (i am registered) and i will call it: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) in order to distinguish it from yours. Thanks for the descriptions. Aitor. On 22/09/15 09:20, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi Aitor, When it is time to merge my latest code, please let me know. Edward On 22/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >Hi Aitor, > >Thanks for helping in this project. Here are two little descriptions >for the debian/control file. > >netman, A simple and intuitive GUI network manager that uses a CLI >backend as its workhorse. > >backend, a CLI program that uses ifup and ifdown to connect and >disconnect to a wifi. Wired connections are also supported. Various >'interfaces' files are used for wifi configuration. > >On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: >>Hi Tilt, >> >>I debianized it, and shortly i will push it to Git, and i will offer >>also a little APT repository containig it, the lastest version of >>linux-libre and Compiz Fusion. >> >>Now i need a description for netman-gui and netman-backend to add them >>to the debian/control file. >> >>Regards, >> >>Aitor. >> >>On 22/09/15 04:44, "tilt!" wrote: >>>Hi Edward, >>> >>>congratulations on wrapping this up! >>> >>>However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at >>> >>> https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >>> >>>i get the following errors: >>> >>> * directory ./backend_src/obj missing >>> * directory ./bin missing >>> * link-time error: >>> >>> backend_src/src/backend.c:248: >>> undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' >>> >>>Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded >>>somewhere? >>> >>>Best regards, >>>T. >> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. Greetings, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Good idea :-) On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. Greetings, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, If you can still rename the netman package I would like to have it renamed "netman-devuan-nm". It is important for any users to know from where netman was conceived, and this is, the Devuan Project. Edward On 07/04/2021, aitor_czr wrote: > Good idea :-) > > On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >> On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >>> gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >> >> People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >> >> I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >> >> Greetings, >> T. > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Beautifull idea !! I will add to debian/control: Homepage: http://devuan.org XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git Aitor. On 22/09/15 17:37, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi Aitor, If you can still rename the netman package I would like to have it renamed "netman-devuan-nm". It is important for any users to know from where netman was conceived, and this is, the Devuan Project. Edward On 07/04/2021, aitor_czr wrote: >Good idea:-) > >On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >>On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >>>gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >> >>People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >> >>I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >> >>Greetings, >>T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Dear All, My question is still open as I have no idea which project I can join to help. I was told it is easy to continue contributing to the Devuan Project, but this is proving to be next to impossible. This is NOT a rhetorical question; yes, I know the obvious answer that I can help in other projects, but which projects? I expected someone to provide some information, after all, feedback between coders is among the many purposes of the mailing list. Snappy answers indicating an irritated sender, do not help: first calm down, then think, and when you have the right frame of mind, reply in a polite and educated manner. Edward On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: > Beautifull idea !! > > I will add to debian/control: > > Homepage: http://devuan.org > XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git > XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git > > Aitor. > > On 22/09/15 17:37, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Hi Aitor, >> >> If you can still rename the netman package I would like to have it >> renamed "netman-devuan-nm". >> >> It is important for any users to know from where netman was conceived, >> and this is, the Devuan Project. >> >> Edward >> >> On 07/04/2021, aitor_czr wrote: >>> >Good idea:-) >>> > >>> >On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >>On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > >>>gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >> >>People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >> >>I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >> >>Greetings, >>T. > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
They are ready, but it is a test: http://gnuinos.org/netman/ I think something goes wrong, because if i run netman in the command line i get the following message: $ netman TApplication.HandleException Executable not found: "/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend " Stack trace: $005B6822 $00461464 $00461FD7 $0045EB7D $00447342 $0042E3C1 $0060BC44 $00449460 $0061976D $0060909A $00608FC0 $0044D5E8 $006075D8 $00626042 $00622398 $00446EAA $0044BE82 and an applet saying: Executable not found: "/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend ". Press OK to ignore and risk data corruption. Press Cancel to kill the program. Building the packages, i get something like this: Target OS: Linux for i386 Compiling netman.lpr Compiling mainform.pas Compiling backend.pas backend.pas(98,47) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be initialized backend.pas(152,3) Note: Local variable "i" not used backend.pas(211,30) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be initialized backend.pas(238,30) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be initialized backend.pas(261,30) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be initialized backend.pas(271,31) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be initialized backend.pas(343,47) Hint: Local variable "Buffer" does not seem to be initialized backend.pas(307,5) Note: Local variable "aline" not used backend.pas(380,10) Warning: Function result does not seem to be set backend.pas(488,3) Note: Local variable "equalPos" not used backend.pas(27,63) Hint: Unit "BaseUnix" not used in backend Compiling formeditconnectprops.pas Compiling detailed_info.pas detailed_info.pas(36,28) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(51,40) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(52,24) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(53,24) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(54,42) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(54,59) Hint: Parameter "User" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(55,27) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(46,29) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(111,3) Note: Local variable "s" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(47,32) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(122,3) Note: Local variable "i" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(48,28) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(49,35) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used formeditconnectprops.pas(50,28) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(60,27) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(61,26) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(62,24) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(63,30) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(64,36) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(167,24) Hint: Mixing signed expressions and longwords gives a 64bit result mainform.pas(65,27) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(215,34) Hint: Local variable "pw" does not seem to be initialized mainform.pas(58,28) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(259,45) Hint: Local variable "Buffer" does not seem to be initialized mainform.pas(228,13) Note: Local variable "s" not used mainform.pas(59,36) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(299,10) Note: Local variable "pw" not used mainform.pas(56,30) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(327,10) Note: Local variable "backend_text" not used mainform.pas(327,24) Note: Local variable "prev_caption" not used mainform.pas(55,31) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(54,35) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(57,34) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used mainform.pas(30,29) Hint: Unit "ComCtrls" not used in mainform Compiling resource /tmp/buildd/netman-0.1.0-c296e06/lib/i386-linux/netman.or Linking netman ... ... Sender is a parameter used to send signals, something similar to the SIGNAL/SLOTS system in Qt. Anyway, the proccess ends successfully. Cheers, Aitor. > On 21/09/2015, tilt! wrote: >> > Hi Edward, >> > >> > congratulations on wrapping this up! >> > >> > However, attempting to build "netman" from branch "master" at >> > >> > https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> > >> > i get the following errors: >> > >> > * directory ./backend_src/obj missing >> > * directory ./bin missing >> > * link-time error: >> > >> > backend_src/src/backend.c:248: >> >undefined reference to `autoWirelessScanPlus' >> > >> > Also, wasn't there a Debian packaging effort? Can it be downloaded >> > somewhere? >> > >> > Best regards, >> > T. >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, Sender is the originating object sending initiating the event. For example, let us consider Button: TButton. The latter's OnClick event can be used to call method: ButtonOnClick(Sender: TObject); Sender points at Button. So, inside the event handler, the cast TButton(Sender) can be used to operate directly on the calling object. However, Sender need not be used and it is normal practice in Lazarus/Delphi code not to use it. Regarding the following exeption, this is caused because "/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend " was not found and the exception was forwarded to the TApplication object. TApplication.HandleException Executable not found: "/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend " I think, the error is simply an extra space at the end of: backend=/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend Edit the file /etc/netman.conf and see what happens. If you are not using /etc/netman.conf, something else is causing the error, but I doubt this is what is happening. Also, as a test, try to remove the --auto-conn parameter and check whether netman loads. If it loads, it would corroborate my conclusion that the cause is an extra space at the end of the line mentioned above. Edward On 23/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: > They are ready, but it is a test: > > http://gnuinos.org/netman/ > > I think something goes wrong, because if i run netman in the command > line i get the following message: > > $ netman > TApplication.HandleException Executable not found: > "/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend " > Stack trace: > $005B6822 > $00461464 > $00461FD7 > $0045EB7D > $00447342 > $0042E3C1 > $0060BC44 > $00449460 > $0061976D > $0060909A > $00608FC0 > $0044D5E8 > $006075D8 > $00626042 > $00622398 > $00446EAA > $0044BE82 > > and an applet saying: > > Executable not found: "/usr/lib/netman/bin/backend ". > Press OK to ignore and risk data corruption. > Press Cancel to kill the program. > > > > Building the packages, i get something like this: > > Target OS: Linux for i386 > Compiling netman.lpr > Compiling mainform.pas > Compiling backend.pas > backend.pas(98,47) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be initialized > backend.pas(152,3) Note: Local variable "i" not used > backend.pas(211,30) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be > initialized > backend.pas(238,30) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be > initialized > backend.pas(261,30) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be > initialized > backend.pas(271,31) Hint: Local variable "s" does not seem to be > initialized > backend.pas(343,47) Hint: Local variable "Buffer" does not seem to be > initialized > backend.pas(307,5) Note: Local variable "aline" not used > backend.pas(380,10) Warning: Function result does not seem to be set > backend.pas(488,3) Note: Local variable "equalPos" not used > backend.pas(27,63) Hint: Unit "BaseUnix" not used in backend > Compiling formeditconnectprops.pas > Compiling detailed_info.pas > detailed_info.pas(36,28) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(51,40) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(52,24) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(53,24) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(54,42) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(54,59) Hint: Parameter "User" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(55,27) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(46,29) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(111,3) Note: Local variable "s" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(47,32) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(122,3) Note: Local variable "i" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(48,28) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(49,35) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > formeditconnectprops.pas(50,28) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(60,27) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(61,26) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(62,24) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(63,30) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(64,36) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(167,24) Hint: Mixing signed expressions and longwords gives > a 64bit result > mainform.pas(65,27) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(215,34) Hint: Local variable "pw" does not seem to be > initialized > mainform.pas(58,28) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(259,45) Hint: Local variable "Buffer" does not seem to be > initialized > mainform.pas(228,13) Note: Local variable "s" not used > mainform.pas(59,36) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(299,10) Note: Local variable "pw" not used > mainform.pas(56,30) Hint: Parameter "Sender" not used > mainform.pas(327,10) Note: Local variable "backend_text" not used > mainform.pas(327,24) Note: L
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Tilt, I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including three branches: 1.- Upstream branch 2.- Debian branch 3.- Pristine-tar branch Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here: https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master Aitor. On 07/04/21 23:21, aitor_czr wrote: > Good idea :-) > > On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >> On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >>> gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >> >> People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >> >> I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >> >> Greetings, >> T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, I used your netman .deb packages to install netman on my computer so that I can test it to discover what is the cause of the error. As I told you, it was an extra space in /etc/netman.conf. Remove the space and netman should start without errors. Please, also note that before adding "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces, you check whether this line already exists so that it wouldn't be replicated. On my system it was replicated and netman failed due to that. Removing the replication, netman worked. Edward On 23/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Tilt, > > I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including > three branches: > > 1.- Upstream branch > 2.- Debian branch > 3.- Pristine-tar branch > > Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here: > > https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master > > Aitor. > > On 07/04/21 23:21, aitor_czr wrote: >> Good idea :-) >> >> On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >>> On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >>> >>> People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >>> >>> I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> T. > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
My bad, thanks for explaining - perfectly fine of course. Best regards, T. Am 23.09.2015 um 20:57 schrieb aitor_czr: Hi Tilt, I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including three branches: 1.- Upstream branch 2.- Debian branch 3.- Pristine-tar branch Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here: https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master Aitor. On 07/04/21 23:21, aitor_czr wrote: Good idea :-) On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. Greetings, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Thanks Edward, i will apply the changes :-) Aitor. On 23/09/15 21:26, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Aitor, > > I used your netman .deb packages to install netman on my computer so > that I can test it to discover what is the cause of the error. > > As I told you, it was an extra space in /etc/netman.conf. Remove the > space and netman should start without errors. > > Please, also note that before adding "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" to > /etc/network/interfaces, you check whether this line already exists so > that it wouldn't be replicated. On my system it was replicated and > netman failed due to that. Removing the replication, netman worked. > > Edward > > On 23/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: >> > Hi Tilt, >> > >> > I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including >> > three branches: >> > >> > 1.- Upstream branch >> > 2.- Debian branch >> > 3.- Pristine-tar branch >> > >> > Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here: >> > >> > https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master >> > >> > Aitor. >> > >> > On 07/04/21 23:21, aitor_czr wrote: >>> >> Good idea :-) >>> >> >>> >> On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >>> On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >>> >>> People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. >>> >>> I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Aitor, fsmithred found that /etc/network/interfaces should not contain partially commented lines. Please make sure comments are whole lines. Edward On 23/09/2015, tilt! wrote: > My bad, thanks for explaining - perfectly fine of course. > > Best regards, > T. > > Am 23.09.2015 um 20:57 schrieb aitor_czr: >> Hi Tilt, >> >> I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including >> three branches: >> >> 1.- Upstream branch >> 2.- Debian branch >> 3.- Pristine-tar branch >> >> Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here: >> >> https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master >> >> Aitor. >> >> On 07/04/21 23:21, aitor_czr wrote: >>> Good idea :-) >>> >>> On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. Greetings, T. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
I already guesed it. I added the comment in the same line because i was testing a netman.postrm file in order to remove the line added by netman in /etc/network/interfaces when the package is uninstalled. But perhaps it is not necessary. After that, i forgot to remove the comment. Thanks. Aitor. On 24/09/15 07:45, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Aitor, > > fsmithred found that /etc/network/interfaces should not contain > partially commented lines. Please make sure comments are whole lines. > > Edward > > On 23/09/2015, tilt! wrote: >> > My bad, thanks for explaining - perfectly fine of course. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > T. >> > >> > Am 23.09.2015 um 20:57 schrieb aitor_czr: >>> >> Hi Tilt, >>> >> >>> >> I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including >>> >> three branches: >>> >> >>> >> 1.- Upstream branch >>> >> 2.- Debian branch >>> >> 3.- Pristine-tar branch >>> >> >>> >> Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here: >>> >> >>> >> https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master >>> >> >>> >> Aitor. >>> >> >>> >> On 07/04/21 23:21, aitor_czr wrote: >>> Good idea :-) >>> >>> On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: > On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >> > gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) > > People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. > > I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. > > Greetings, > T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
I didn't express myself well. Aitor. On 23/09/2015, tilt! wrote: >> > My bad, thanks for explaining - perfectly fine of course. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > T. >> > >> > Am 23.09.2015 um 20:57 schrieb aitor_czr: >>> >> Hi Tilt, >>> >> >>> >> I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including >>> >> three branches: >>> >> >>> >> 1.- Upstream branch >>> >> 2.- Debian branch >>> >> 3.- Pristine-tar branch >>> >> >>> >> Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here: >>> >> >>> >> https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master >>> >> >>> >> Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
I pushed to git.devuan.org all the suggested improvements: https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/netman/branches Thanks. Aitor. On 24/09/15 07:45, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Aitor, > > fsmithred found that /etc/network/interfaces should not contain > partially commented lines. Please make sure comments are whole lines. > > Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi again, I uploaded the updated packages of 'netman' to: deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main If you want to test them, add the above repository to your sources.list and import the public key installing: # apt-get install gnuinos-keyring Then run: # apt-get install netman-gui netman-backend Netman-gui depends on netman-backend. Aitor. El 24/09/15 a las 07:45, Edward Bartolo escribió: Hi Aitor, fsmithred found that /etc/network/interfaces should not contain partially commented lines. Please make sure comments are whole lines. Edward On 23/09/2015, tilt! wrote: >My bad, thanks for explaining - perfectly fine of course. > >Best regards, >T. > >Am 23.09.2015 um 20:57 schrieb aitor_czr: >>Hi Tilt, >> >>I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including >>three branches: >> >>1.- Upstream branch >>2.- Debian branch >>3.- Pristine-tar branch >> >>Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here: >> >>https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master >> >>Aitor. >> >>On 07/04/21 23:21, aitor_czr wrote: >>>Good idea:-) >>> >>>On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't. I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project. Greetings, T. > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
I forgot one issue, the most important: iface wlan0 inet dhcp replicates!
I will add in netman-backend.postinst something like this:
|
FILE=/etc/network/interfaces
|if grep "^|iface wlan0 inet dhcp|" ${FILE}
then
echo "|iface wlan0 inet dhcp| allready exits in /etc/network/interfaces, doing
nothing..."
else
|
echo "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" >> /etc/network/interfaces|
fi
Aitor.
El 24/09/15 a las 13:02, aitor_czr escribió:
Hi again,
I uploaded the updated packages of 'netman' to:
deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main
deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main
If you want to test them, add the above repository to your
sources.list and import the public key installing:
# apt-get install gnuinos-keyring
Then run:
# apt-get install netman-gui netman-backend
Netman-gui depends on netman-backend.
Aitor.
El 24/09/15 a las 07:45, Edward Bartolo escribió:
Hi Aitor,
fsmithred found that /etc/network/interfaces should not contain
partially commented lines. Please make sure comments are whole lines.
Edward
On 23/09/2015, tilt! wrote:
>My bad, thanks for explaining - perfectly fine of course.
>
>Best regards,
>T.
>
>Am 23.09.2015 um 20:57 schrieb aitor_czr:
>>Hi Tilt,
>>
>>I was referring to a branch into the netman project in Git, including
>>three branches:
>>
>>1.- Upstream branch
>>2.- Debian branch
>>3.- Pristine-tar branch
>>
>>Being a branch in Git, the name is not confusing. See here:
>>
>>https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/linux-libre/tree/gbp-master
>>
>>Aitor.
>>
>>On 07/04/21 23:21, aitor_czr wrote:
>>>Good idea:-)
>>>
>>>On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote:
On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
>gpg-netman (git-buildpackage)
People will think it's related to "gpg", which it isn't.
I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for that project.
Greetings,
T.
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Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On 9/22/15, aitor_czr wrote: > XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git > XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git These two should point to a package repository not an upstream one. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
What about these? deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main Edward On 24/09/2015, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/22/15, aitor_czr wrote: > >> XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git >> XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git > > These two should point to a package repository not an upstream one. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On 9/24/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: > What about these? > > deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main > deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main >>> XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git >>> XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >> These two should point to a package repository not an upstream one. Once again: XS-Vcs-* should point to VSC (git/hg/svn/etc) repository of debian package. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Hleb, Those lines are located in debian/control. So..., an APT repository pointing to itself? Here you are an example random search in git: https://github.com/andrenth/postfix-erlang/blob/master/debian/control Aitor. El 25/09/15 a las 05:02, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> escribió: On 9/24/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: >What about these? > >debhttp://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main >deb-srchttp://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main >>>XS-Vcs-Git:g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git >>>XS-Vcs-Browser:https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >>These two should point to a package repository not an upstream one. Once again: XS-Vcs-* should point to VSC (git/hg/svn/etc) repository of debian package. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Hleb, you are right !! El 25/09/15 a las 08:44, aitor_czr escribió: Hi Hleb, Those lines are located in debian/control. So..., an APT repository pointing to itself? Here you are an example random search in git: https://github.com/andrenth/postfix-erlang/blob/master/debian/control Aitor. El 25/09/15 a las 05:02, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> escribió: On 9/24/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: >What about these? > >debhttp://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main >deb-srchttp://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main >>>XS-Vcs-Git:g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git >>>XS-Vcs-Browser:https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >>These two should point to a package repository not an upstream one. Once again: XS-Vcs-* should point to VSC (git/hg/svn/etc) repository of debian package. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi again Hleb, the link in my example points to a *Git* repository *of a debian package*. I didn't understand you, sorry. The Development Team of BulmaGes has been using those lines: |Homepage: http://bulmages.net XS-Vcs-Git: git://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages.git XS-Vcs-Browser: https://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages/trees/. during years in debian/control. Gitorious is missing. But here you are an example: https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/bulmages/blob/gbp-release15/debian/control So, it is wrong? Have a nice day, Aitor.| El 25/09/15 a las 11:16, aitor_czr escribió: Hi Hleb, you are right !! El 25/09/15 a las 08:44, aitor_czr escribió: >Hi Hleb, > >Those lines are located in debian/control. So..., an APT repository >pointing to itself? > >Here you are an example random search in git: > >https://github.com/andrenth/postfix-erlang/blob/master/debian/control > >Aitor. > >El 25/09/15 a las 05:02, Hleb Valoshka<375...@gmail.com> escribió: >>On 9/24/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> >What about these? >>> > >>> >debhttp://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main >>> >deb-srchttp://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main > >>>XS-Vcs-Git:g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git > >>>XS-Vcs-Browser:https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >>These two should point to a package repository not an upstream one. >>Once again: XS-Vcs-* should point to VSC (git/hg/svn/etc) repository >>of debian package. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On 9/25/15, aitor_czr wrote: > Those lines are located in debian/control. So..., an APT repository > pointing to itself? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageInformation QUESTION: is that (Vcs-*) an upstream source or a debian source? ANSWER: It's the debian source. There is a difference because often the Debian developers have a version control system where they do the packaging, which is not necessarily the same one used by the software author. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Another clarification about XS-Vcs headers: as of dpkg 1.14.6, the Xs- prefix is no longer necessary. See this link: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/xs-vcs-header-in-debian-control.html Aitor. El 25/09/15 a las 11:35, aitor_czr escribió: Hi again Hleb, the link in my example points to a *Git* repository *of a debian package*. I didn't understand you, sorry. The Development Team of BulmaGes has been using those lines: |Homepage:http://bulmages.net XS-Vcs-Git: git://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages.git XS-Vcs-Browser:https://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages/trees/. during years in debian/control. Gitorious is missing. But here you are an example: https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/bulmages/blob/gbp-release15/debian/control So, it is wrong? Have a nice day, Aitor.| El 25/09/15 a las 11:16, aitor_czr escribió: Hi Hleb, you are right !! El 25/09/15 a las 08:44, aitor_czr escribió: >Hi Hleb, > >Those lines are located in debian/control. So..., an APT repository >pointing to itself? > >Here you are an example random search in git: > >https://github.com/andrenth/postfix-erlang/blob/master/debian/control > >Aitor. > >El 25/09/15 a las 05:02, Hleb Valoshka<375...@gmail.com> escribió: >>On 9/24/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> >What about these? >>> > >>> >debhttp://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main >>> >deb-srchttp://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main > >>>XS-Vcs-Git:g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git > >>>XS-Vcs-Browser:https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >>These two should point to a package repository not an upstream one. >>Once again: XS-Vcs-* should point to VSC (git/hg/svn/etc) repository >>of debian package. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On 9/25/15, aitor_czr wrote: > The Development Team of BulmaGes has been using those lines: > > |Homepage: http://bulmages.net > XS-Vcs-Git: git://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages.git > XS-Vcs-Browser: https://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages/trees/. > > during years in debian/control. Gitorious is missing. But here you are an > example: > > https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/bulmages/blob/gbp-release15/debian/control > > So, it is wrong? Of course, they should point to actual location. And XS- prefix should be removed. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
I will send again this post rectifying the content in the Digest: El 23/08/15 a las 17:19, Steve Litt escribió: I make mistakes, that's why my pencil has an eraser. Well..., when i built those packages, Gitorious had already announced the end. But there wasn't a consensus on which use in the future: BitBucket, GitLab, GitHub...? I porposed trying with Savannah, but there was no time... Thank you again for your clarifications. Aitor. El 25/09/15 a las 12:19, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> escribió: On 9/25/15, aitor_czr wrote: >The Development Team of BulmaGes has been using those lines: > >|Homepage:http://bulmages.net >XS-Vcs-Git: git://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages.git >XS-Vcs-Browser:https://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages/trees/. > >during years in debian/control. Gitorious is missing. But here you are an >example: > >https://gitlab.com/aitor_cz/bulmages/blob/gbp-release15/debian/control > >So, it is wrong? Of course, they should point to actual location. And XS- prefix should be removed. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I have been following the devuan mailing list during the last couple of weeks, and I would like to present myself, I come from a human science and media arts background always involved in F/Loss communities, where I search for new forms of creativity and social organisation. I am based in Brussels where my point of reference is www.constantvzw.org, but I also have other research activities in academia. As Jaromil has already explained at the beginning of this month I am very interested in understanding the way Devuan community organises itself, and eventually helping to formalise some collaboration model. I have no personal or professional goal in this process,(I am not planning to study or write about anything happening here). I am rather interested to contribute to the project with skills that are different from those of a developer's but that I believe can also help the project . On 09/22/2015 09:58 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Dear All, > > My question is still open as I have no idea which project I can > join to help. I was told it is easy to continue contributing to the > Devuan Project, but this is proving to be next to impossible. This > is NOT a rhetorical question; yes, I know the obvious answer that I > can help in other projects, but which projects? I expected someone > to provide some information, after all, feedback between coders is > among the many purposes of the mailing list. > > Snappy answers indicating an irritated sender, do not help: first > calm down, then think, and when you have the right frame of mind, > reply in a polite and educated manner. > > Edward Apparently there has been no direct answer to this question through the list, I wonder if you have found others sources that could inform you about projects that needed your help in Devuan, and if not, it would be nice to have your view: how would you explain that the response does not seem so obvious? cheers Natacha > > > On 22/09/2015, aitor_czr wrote: >> Beautifull idea !! >> >> I will add to debian/control: >> >> Homepage: http://devuan.org XS-Vcs-Git: >> g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git XS-Vcs-Browser: >> https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >> Aitor. >> >> On 22/09/15 17:37, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> Hi Aitor, >>> >>> If you can still rename the netman package I would like to have >>> it renamed "netman-devuan-nm". >>> >>> It is important for any users to know from where netman was >>> conceived, and this is, the Devuan Project. >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> On 07/04/2021, aitor_czr wrote: > Good idea:-) > > On 22/09/15 11:20, tilt! wrote: >>> On 04/07/2021 10:54 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > gpg-netman (git-buildpackage) >>> >>> People will think it's related to "gpg", which it >>> isn't. >>> >>> I would like to suggest the name "netman-package" for >>> that project. >>> >>> Greetings, T. >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWBTxuAAoJEB4vJZJLVJYmJKEQAIHfb0K7lt5clMZ2lw1x6XVo 88rfg4wZ7kUjtCeeqC0hT2aebD0PJhU0U+w2D5pMK1TCMzCB9memW75VqjlvxB9o uOvL9XgHtpP2rK95ZprRqMJBVY4Ni+E4Ro9UfC/+JuFi40r658hwdD3KctH3/54R URDawYnjHB3slLVH0b+TUGFDrFWDFnHpLUBXQWpOfxnyq98glgW9fAcgVeErJDwn /NzRMXZDO3nJIL/b9KG5wRuCvemuDnywnHD9dxAYhnfk8Vw8lmqtBR4jhzgQcZ4H zGCFMyFB3h9eKmHXiDOaxgf+jQWo/qAMbhkNFpI19jY8YjurbKYKm4fw9bSiwqkZ qH91aXdryQr0djFz8IOQzwSYmeFu+hOAkUVPw7g0UurgciDhkv8LIz5RjuTGQmC+ QTA07BNR1MQ0rKYIKJGx2rn/b8dj4WNO/ZQmv8zM5eWBr49uQ1uWujOcJQVo5Dqz CzfN7F0h6BatcqgmZbQIqCmglFv2UtAd2bFwNm9Xk1bSmGe6Fq1DImJjDSb8GUDC 7mZASlMqaiAbcTGZL8OrCvWSP9VSdpinASvcRm5cIJPyQlZSnehuj30nnfupT3f/ PLoLi02eGSNJCwQLicAc6MSFmuvyd93MpwW/XC/v8n6ulNpGi4Hrq9b2G6KFrhcX WCzryN7JviT7Q8uopd9x =yJ48 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Maybe we could make a meta Roadmap/Priority project. This project would use Milestones to track releases and their issues. This could be a central place to determine the highest priority work. -Rich ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On 9/21/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Since netman is effectively ready, and I can still offer my coding > services to the Devuan project, I would like to ask what task should I > take as my second attempt at helping with the project? If your possible next project will look like netman then please do nothing. It's a lowest quality project I've ever seen. It looks really bad. You better read a good book about software architect. I don't see any reason to throw away wicd and replace it with your tool. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On September 25, 2015 5:07:31 PM GMT+02:00, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote: >If your possible next project will look like netman then please do >nothing. It's a lowest quality project I've ever seen. It looks really >bad. You better read a good book about software architect. I wish you'd be more diplomatic, yet you have a point. hope no feeling is hurt, but when I read the C part of netman I can't stop thinking it should be just shell code, since its spawning so many external processes. I just wish this can be a learning process for everyone involved, then some things could be said using some tact. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Fri, 9/25/15, Jaromil wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? To: "dng" Date: Friday, September 25, 2015, 5:12 PM On September 25, 2015 5:07:31 PM GMT+02:00, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote: >> If your possible next project will look like netman then please do >> nothing. It's a lowest quality project I've ever seen. It looks really >> bad. You better read a good book about software architect. >> > > I wish you'd be more diplomatic . . . > Indeed. The tone of those comments was cruel and uncalled for. Edward (and any contributor) deserves better . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:07:31 +0300 Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/21/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > > Since netman is effectively ready, and I can still offer my coding > > services to the Devuan project, I would like to ask what task > > should I take as my second attempt at helping with the project? > > If your possible next project will look like netman then please do > nothing. It's a lowest quality project I've ever seen. It looks really > bad. You better read a good book about software architect. Wow Hleb, you're a dick! Don't worry, Jaromil, after this email I'll /dev/null him so as not to be tempted into a repeat performance. Here are the facts: While the rest of us, *especially* me, flapped our lips about a NetworkManager replacement, Edward actually did it. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 09:20:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Here are the facts: While the rest of us, *especially* me, flapped our > lips about a NetworkManager replacement, Edward actually did it. It's worth adding I think that for those of you who have a low opinion of Edward's attempt, there's nothing stopping you from writing your own network manager implementation which will satisfy your quality standards. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Dear All, As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books from specialised booksellers and studying on my own. Now regarding the bad marks I am getting (2/10?) for writing a project that has been working since its inception although I have been using it for a month now without issues. Furthermore, I don't want to use shell scripts or any interpreters: those who want to use them can easily, or I dare say not so easily, as coding requires commitment, especially, if it is done for free as in my case, opt to code a network manager in THEIR TIME. Intellectual myopia or better, the urge to troll and discourage me to continue with this project, is preventing those who criticise it negatively, not to see the ultimate aim of the project, which is to avoid using ifup, ifdown and any interfaces files. However, DEVUAN was in an urgent need of a network manager, and I offered my help, and indeed, humbly presented a NOT SO PROFESSIONAL APPLICATION that works. Yes, it is not shiny, and it does not create a systray icon from where it can be invoked, but it works and it is stable. From the remarks I am getting, apart from some genuine Devuan DDs, I think, I have got a FAIL in this project, which is to be evaluated against the context of a coder who has had NO FORMAL TRAINING IN PROGRAMMING. Please, also note, being arrogant and disrespectful, does not persuade anyone to do what such an attacker wants. You have your time and a brain, use them to create your own network manager according to what you deem best. I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better the next time. Edward On 26/09/2015, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 09:20:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> Here are the facts: While the rest of us, *especially* me, flapped our >> lips about a NetworkManager replacement, Edward actually did it. > > It's worth adding I think that for those of you who have a low opinion of > Edward's attempt, there's nothing stopping you from writing your own > network manager implementation which will satisfy your quality > standards. > > Greg > > > -- > web site: http://www.gregn.net > gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your > contacts. > > -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Le 26/09/2015 08:04, Edward Bartolo a écrit : not to see the ultimate aim of the project, which is to avoid using ifup, ifdown and any interfaces files Edward, This was, up to now, a hidden goal. It might explain why you never replied to my mails, because I was advocating the opposite: cooperate gently with the existing infrastructure instead of bypassing it all. This goal was probably not hidden to those reviewing the source, but it is not my way to look into the source before reading a clear statement about the intentions. to be evaluated against the context of a coder who has had NO FORMAL TRAINING IN PROGRAMMING. Instead, you presented yourself from the beginning as an seasonned programmer and rejected some wise recommendations. I won't evaluate the result. About the method, I would say it is a good way to keep people like me out of the loop; but I'm not saying it was intentionnal. Thanks for your effort. I bet you have learned a lot about Linux, linuxers and cooperative development. I hope you won't be discouraged by the reactions. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 08:04:15AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: [cut] > > I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a > headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go > a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better > the next time. > Again guys, the quality of a software does not improve of get worse if we spend more words about its pluses and minuses, or if we bring in the discussion more motivations and excuses about what we think is a plus or a minus. A software is good if it serves a need or solves a problem in a good way, whatever your notion of "good" is. If this happens, (some) people will use, change and improve it, and the software will survive. Otherwise, it will fall into oblivion, as has already happened for 99.9% of the code written so far. For Edward: I know it is almost unavoidable to get comments on the software you produce at a personal level, but as in any other creative activity, the take of the creator on his own creature might (or would? or should?) differ from the opinion of others. You should probably accept it and live with that, if you want to continue writing software. It's just impossible to make everybody happy, so if you want to keep coding just code for your own happiness, as every free software coder does. Sometimes your happiness will match the happiness of somebody else, while most of the times it will not. If this is a major problem for you, go choose another creative activity and have fun :) Having said that, I also had a quick look to netman C code, and it seemed a bit kinky to me, even putting aside the fact that it does not compile out of the box, which is quite irritating as well... My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Edward, Although i will stay with wicd i am glad that with netman i do have a choice. And most important of all you actually did something whereas others still are sitting on their hands. So if someone friendly point out some improvements make us of it. And if some dick is just criticizing without any real suggestion for improvement just ignore him. Just my 0,02 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:04:15 +0200 From: Edward Bartolo To: dng Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? Dear All, As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books from specialised booksellers and studying on my own. Now regarding the bad marks I am getting (2/10?) for writing a project that has been working since its inception although I have been using it for a month now without issues. Furthermore, I don't want to use shell scripts or any interpreters: those who want to use them can easily, or I dare say not so easily, as coding requires commitment, especially, if it is done for free as in my case, opt to code a network manager in THEIR TIME. Intellectual myopia or better, the urge to troll and discourage me to continue with this project, is preventing those who criticise it negatively, not to see the ultimate aim of the project, which is to avoid using ifup, ifdown and any interfaces files. However, DEVUAN was in an urgent need of a network manager, and I offered my help, and indeed, humbly presented a NOT SO PROFESSIONAL APPLICATION that works. Yes, it is not shiny, and it does not create a systray icon from where it can be invoked, but it works and it is stable. >From the remarks I am getting, apart from some genuine Devuan DDs, I think, I have got a FAIL in this project, which is to be evaluated against the context of a coder who has had NO FORMAL TRAINING IN PROGRAMMING. Please, also note, being arrogant and disrespectful, does not persuade anyone to do what such an attacker wants. You have your time and a brain, use them to create your own network manager according to what you deem best. I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better the next time. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi All, I was asked for the current netman's frontend GUI screenshot. Here it is: http://s13.postimg.org/lirdshy07/2015_09_26_124924_1600x900_scrot.png I liked it for its simplicity... but I will have to adapt to what potential users want. Edward On 26/09/2015, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > Edward, > > Although i will stay with wicd i am glad that with netman i do have a > choice. > And most important of all you actually did something whereas others > still are sitting on their hands. > So if someone friendly point out some improvements make us of it. > And if some dick is just criticizing without any real suggestion for > improvement just ignore him. > > Just my 0,02 > >> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:04:15 +0200 >> From: Edward Bartolo >> To: dng >> Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a >> network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >> PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books >> from specialised booksellers and studying on my own. >> >> Now regarding the bad marks I am getting (2/10?) for writing a project >> that has been working since its inception although I have been >> using it for a month now without issues. Furthermore, I don't want to >> use shell scripts or any interpreters: those who want to use them can >> easily, or I dare say not so easily, as coding requires commitment, >> especially, if it is done for free as in my case, opt to code a >> network manager in THEIR TIME. >> >> Intellectual myopia or better, the urge to troll and discourage me to >> continue with this project, is preventing those who criticise it >> negatively, not to see the ultimate aim of the project, which is to >> avoid using ifup, ifdown and any interfaces files. However, DEVUAN was >> in an urgent need of a network manager, and I offered my help, and >> indeed, humbly presented a NOT SO PROFESSIONAL APPLICATION that works. >> Yes, it is not shiny, and it does not create a systray icon from where >> it can be invoked, but it works and it is stable. >> >> >From the remarks I am getting, apart from some genuine Devuan DDs, I >> think, I have got a FAIL in this project, which is to be evaluated >> against the context of a coder who has had NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >> PROGRAMMING. >> >> Please, also note, being arrogant and disrespectful, does not persuade >> anyone to do what such an attacker wants. You have your time and a >> brain, use them to create your own network manager according to what >> you deem best. >> >> I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a >> headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go >> a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better >> the next time. >> >> >> Edward > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > I was asked for the current netman's frontend GUI screenshot. Here it is: > http://s13.postimg.org/lirdshy07/2015_09_26_124924_1600x900_scrot.png > > I liked it for its simplicity... but I will have to adapt to what > potential users want. > > Edward > > On 26/09/2015, info at smallinnovations.nl > wrote: >> Edward, >> >> Although i will stay with wicd i am glad that with netman i do have a >> choice. >> And most important of all you actually did something whereas others >> still are sitting on their hands. >> So if someone friendly point out some improvements make us of it. >> And if some dick is just criticizing without any real suggestion for >> improvement just ignore him. >> >> Just my 0,02 >> >>> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:04:15 +0200 >>> From: Edward Bartolo >>> To: dng >>> Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a >>> network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >>> PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books >>> from specialised booksellers and studying on my own. >>> >>> Now regarding the bad marks I am getting (2/10?) for writing a project >>> that has been working since its inception although I have been >>> using it for a month now without issues. Furthermore, I don't want to >>> use shell scripts or any interpreters: those who want to use them can >>> easily, or I dare say not so easily, as coding requires commitment, >>> especially, if it is done for free as in my case, opt to code a >>> network manager in THEIR TIME. >>> >>> Intellectual myopia or better, the urge to troll and discourage me to >>> continue with this project, is preventing those who criticise it >>> negatively, not to see the ultimate aim of the project, which is to >>> avoid using ifup, ifdown and any interfaces files. However, DEVUAN was >>> in an urgent need of a network manager, and I offered my help, and >>> indeed, humbly presented a NOT SO PROFESSIONAL APPLICATION that works. >>> Yes, it is not shiny, and it does not create a systray icon from where >>> it can be invoked, but it works and it is stable. >>> >>> >From the remarks I am getting, apart from some genuine Devuan DDs, I >>> think, I have got a FAIL in this project, which is to be evaluated >>> against the context of a coder who has had NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >>> PROGRAMMING. >>> >>> Please, also note, being arrogant and disrespectful, does not persuade >>> anyone to do what such an attacker wants. You have your time and a >>> brain, use them to create your own network manager according to what >>> you deem best. >>> >>> I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a >>> headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go >>> a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better >>> the next time. >>> >>> >>> Edward >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
FYI, ./ps_mem.py |grep netman 8.5 MiB + 1.4 MiB = 9.9 MiB netman ./ps_mem.py |grep wicd 6.7 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 7.9 MiB wicd-monitor 8.4 MiB + 858.5 KiB = 9.2 MiB wicd 14.6 MiB + 2.1 MiB = 16.8 MiB wicd-client And the 9.9 used by netman is recovered by closing the program after you connect. I know people who are running with only 256MB RAM, and they will be happy with this. fsr On 09/26/2015 07:25 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. > http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ > > On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I was asked for the current netman's frontend GUI screenshot. Here it is: >> http://s13.postimg.org/lirdshy07/2015_09_26_124924_1600x900_scrot.png >> >> I liked it for its simplicity... but I will have to adapt to what >> potential users want. >> >> Edward >> >> On 26/09/2015, info at smallinnovations.nl >> wrote: >>> Edward, >>> >>> Although i will stay with wicd i am glad that with netman i do have a >>> choice. >>> And most important of all you actually did something whereas others >>> still are sitting on their hands. >>> So if someone friendly point out some improvements make us of it. >>> And if some dick is just criticizing without any real suggestion for >>> improvement just ignore him. >>> >>> Just my 0,02 >>> >>>> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:04:15 +0200 >>>> From: Edward Bartolo >>>> To: dng >>>> Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a >>>> network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >>>> PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books >>>> from specialised booksellers and studying on my own. >>>> >>>> Now regarding the bad marks I am getting (2/10?) for writing a project >>>> that has been working since its inception although I have been >>>> using it for a month now without issues. Furthermore, I don't want to >>>> use shell scripts or any interpreters: those who want to use them can >>>> easily, or I dare say not so easily, as coding requires commitment, >>>> especially, if it is done for free as in my case, opt to code a >>>> network manager in THEIR TIME. >>>> >>>> Intellectual myopia or better, the urge to troll and discourage me to >>>> continue with this project, is preventing those who criticise it >>>> negatively, not to see the ultimate aim of the project, which is to >>>> avoid using ifup, ifdown and any interfaces files. However, DEVUAN was >>>> in an urgent need of a network manager, and I offered my help, and >>>> indeed, humbly presented a NOT SO PROFESSIONAL APPLICATION that works. >>>> Yes, it is not shiny, and it does not create a systray icon from where >>>> it can be invoked, but it works and it is stable. >>>> >>>> >From the remarks I am getting, apart from some genuine Devuan DDs, I >>>> think, I have got a FAIL in this project, which is to be evaluated >>>> against the context of a coder who has had NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >>>> PROGRAMMING. >>>> >>>> Please, also note, being arrogant and disrespectful, does not persuade >>>> anyone to do what such an attacker wants. You have your time and a >>>> brain, use them to create your own network manager according to what >>>> you deem best. >>>> >>>> I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a >>>> headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go >>>> a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better >>>> the next time. >>>> >>>> >>>> Edward >>> >>> ___ >>> Dng mailing list >>> Dng@lists.dyne.org >>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>> >> > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi fsmithred, Thanks for the encouragement. Edward On 26/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: > FYI, > > ./ps_mem.py |grep netman > 8.5 MiB + 1.4 MiB = 9.9 MiB netman > > ./ps_mem.py |grep wicd > 6.7 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 7.9 MiB wicd-monitor > 8.4 MiB + 858.5 KiB = 9.2 MiB wicd > 14.6 MiB + 2.1 MiB = 16.8 MiB wicd-client > > > And the 9.9 used by netman is recovered by closing the program after you > connect. I know people who are running with only 256MB RAM, and they will > be happy with this. > > fsr > > > On 09/26/2015 07:25 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. >> http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ >> >> On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I was asked for the current netman's frontend GUI screenshot. Here it is: >>> http://s13.postimg.org/lirdshy07/2015_09_26_124924_1600x900_scrot.png >>> >>> I liked it for its simplicity... but I will have to adapt to what >>> potential users want. >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> On 26/09/2015, info at smallinnovations.nl >>> wrote: >>>> Edward, >>>> >>>> Although i will stay with wicd i am glad that with netman i do have a >>>> choice. >>>> And most important of all you actually did something whereas others >>>> still are sitting on their hands. >>>> So if someone friendly point out some improvements make us of it. >>>> And if some dick is just criticizing without any real suggestion for >>>> improvement just ignore him. >>>> >>>> Just my 0,02 >>>> >>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:04:15 +0200 >>>>> From: Edward Bartolo >>>>> To: dng >>>>> Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a >>>>> network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >>>>> PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books >>>>> from specialised booksellers and studying on my own. >>>>> >>>>> Now regarding the bad marks I am getting (2/10?) for writing a project >>>>> that has been working since its inception although I have been >>>>> using it for a month now without issues. Furthermore, I don't want to >>>>> use shell scripts or any interpreters: those who want to use them can >>>>> easily, or I dare say not so easily, as coding requires commitment, >>>>> especially, if it is done for free as in my case, opt to code a >>>>> network manager in THEIR TIME. >>>>> >>>>> Intellectual myopia or better, the urge to troll and discourage me to >>>>> continue with this project, is preventing those who criticise it >>>>> negatively, not to see the ultimate aim of the project, which is to >>>>> avoid using ifup, ifdown and any interfaces files. However, DEVUAN was >>>>> in an urgent need of a network manager, and I offered my help, and >>>>> indeed, humbly presented a NOT SO PROFESSIONAL APPLICATION that works. >>>>> Yes, it is not shiny, and it does not create a systray icon from where >>>>> it can be invoked, but it works and it is stable. >>>>> >>>>> >From the remarks I am getting, apart from some genuine Devuan DDs, I >>>>> think, I have got a FAIL in this project, which is to be evaluated >>>>> against the context of a coder who has had NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >>>>> PROGRAMMING. >>>>> >>>>> Please, also note, being arrogant and disrespectful, does not persuade >>>>> anyone to do what such an attacker wants. You have your time and a >>>>> brain, use them to create your own network manager according to what >>>>> you deem best. >>>>> >>>>> I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a >>>>> headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go >>>>> a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better >>>>> the next time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Edward >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Dng mailing list >>>> Dng@lists.dyne.org >>>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>>> >>> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On 25/09/15 17:07, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > > If your possible next project will look like netman then please do > nothing. It's a lowest quality project I've ever seen. It looks really > bad. You better read a good book about software architect. > Your comments are a disgrace and do nothing but inflame, upset, and dissuade people from trying. They are the comments of an ignoramus and do nothing but divide a community. Were you so good when you started coding ? Please take your obnoxious and negative comments elsewhere - if I could I'd give you 10c to go try and find someone to phone who actually gives a damn what you think. You say things like this because you can hide behind an email address. Would you say the same to his face, or mine ? I doubt it. > I don't see any reason to throw away wicd and replace it with your tool. Excellent. Who said you had too ? Is it compulsory or obligatory ? I don't remember seeing that anywhere. But there is at least another alternative for those who might want something different. Make some positive contribution on how to do something better. But please leave out the unhelpful and destructive negativity. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 01:25:09PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. > http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ Your aerial view walpaper is lovely. It's on the verge of giving me vertigo. I'm wondering if there are technical reasons to switch from wicd to netman. As far as I know, wicd is systemd-free. Is there any reason to suspect it's going to be otherwise? There is a nontechnical reason, of course, which is supporting our own developers. The main issue is I have with switching is that if I have trouble with it, whether it's my fault or not, I'll lose the convenient network access I use to ask for help. I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it seems to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wifi, it detects it, then allows me to enter the local wifi password. But when I'm away from it, there seems to be no way to tell it about the now-remote site. Now the occasions on which I want to use it are vanishingly small. But is has once happened that I'm initialising a new device, and it would be massively convenient not to have to visit every wifi spot I plan to use merely to transfer the passwords from the old device to the new. Can netman do this? I also like a mode in which I can see the password I'm entering. I'm not a great typist, and I'd like to know whether I have the wrong password or merely entered it wrong. When my wife broke her wrist, correct password typing became an unsurmountable obstacle for her. Seeing the password is a security risk, but it's also an invaluable accessibility feature. All in all, considering where you started from, you've done an amazing job. I haven't read the code or tried it, but the UI looks straightforward and to the point. You have probably learned a lot, too. Keep up the good work. -- hendrik > > On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I was asked for the current netman's frontend GUI screenshot. Here it is: > > http://s13.postimg.org/lirdshy07/2015_09_26_124924_1600x900_scrot.png > > > > I liked it for its simplicity... but I will have to adapt to what > > potential users want. > > > > Edward > > > > On 26/09/2015, info at smallinnovations.nl > > wrote: > >> Edward, > >> > >> Although i will stay with wicd i am glad that with netman i do have a > >> choice. > >> And most important of all you actually did something whereas others > >> still are sitting on their hands. > >> So if someone friendly point out some improvements make us of it. > >> And if some dick is just criticizing without any real suggestion for > >> improvement just ignore him. > >> > >> Just my 0,02 > >> > >>> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:04:15 +0200 > >>> From: Edward Bartolo > >>> To: dng > >>> Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear All, > >>> > >>> As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a > >>> network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN > >>> PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books > >>> from specialised booksellers and studying on my own. > >>> > >>> Now regarding the bad marks I am getting (2/10?) for writing a project > >>> that has been working since its inception although I have been > >>> using it for a month now without issues. Furthermore, I don't want to > >>> use shell scripts or any interpreters: those who want to use them can > >>> easily, or I dare say not so easily, as coding requires commitment, > >>> especially, if it is done for free as in my case, opt to code a > >>> network manager in THEIR TIME. > >>> > >>> Intellectual myopia or better, the urge to troll and discourage me to > >>> continue with this project, is preventing those who criticise it > >>> negatively, not to see the ultimate aim of the project, which is to > >>> avoid using ifup, ifdown and any interfaces files. However, DEVUAN was > >>> in an urgent need of a network manager, and I offered my help, and > >>> indeed, humbly presented a NOT SO PROFESSIONAL APPLICATION that works. > >>> Yes, it is not shiny, and it does not create a systray icon from where > >>> it can be invoked, but it works and it is stable. > >>> > >>> >From the remarks I am getting, apart from some genuine Devuan DDs, I > >>> think, I have g
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
If you know the essids and the corresponding password you can reenter these by clicking the New button and filling the essid and password. You can also switch between obfuscating the password chars and seeing exactly what you type. netman uses an algorithm where it gives first priority to the best wifi signal available provided a corresponding essid file exists. So, if you are away from say wifiX, netman will not attempt to use it unless you force to do so. Edward On 26/09/2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 01:25:09PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. >> http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ > > > Your aerial view walpaper is lovely. It's on the verge of giving me > vertigo. > > I'm wondering if there are technical reasons to switch from wicd to > netman. As far as I know, wicd is systemd-free. Is there any reason to > suspect it's going to be otherwise? > > There is a nontechnical reason, of course, which is supporting our own > developers. > > The main issue is I have with switching is that if I have trouble with > it, whether it's my fault or not, I'll lose the convenient network > access I use to ask for help. > > I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it seems > to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wifi, it detects it, > then allows me to enter the local wifi password. > > But when I'm away from it, there seems to be no way to tell it about the > now-remote site. > > Now the occasions on which I want to use it are vanishingly small. But > is has once happened that I'm initialising a new device, and it would be > massively convenient not to have to visit every wifi spot I plan to use > merely to transfer the passwords from the old device to the new. > > Can netman do this? > > I also like a mode in which I can see the password I'm entering. I'm > not a great typist, and I'd like to know whether I have the wrong > password or merely entered it wrong. When my wife broke her wrist, > correct password typing became an unsurmountable obstacle for her. > Seeing the password is a security risk, but it's also an invaluable > accessibility feature. > > All in all, considering where you started from, you've done an > amazing job. I haven't read the code or tried it, but the UI looks > straightforward and to the point. You have probably learned a lot, too. > Keep up the good work. > > -- hendrik > >> >> On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I was asked for the current netman's frontend GUI screenshot. Here it >> > is: >> > http://s13.postimg.org/lirdshy07/2015_09_26_124924_1600x900_scrot.png >> > >> > I liked it for its simplicity... but I will have to adapt to what >> > potential users want. >> > >> > Edward >> > >> > On 26/09/2015, info at smallinnovations.nl >> > wrote: >> >> Edward, >> >> >> >> Although i will stay with wicd i am glad that with netman i do have a >> >> choice. >> >> And most important of all you actually did something whereas others >> >> still are sitting on their hands. >> >> So if someone friendly point out some improvements make us of it. >> >> And if some dick is just criticizing without any real suggestion for >> >> improvement just ignore him. >> >> >> >> Just my 0,02 >> >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:04:15 +0200 >> >>> From: Edward Bartolo >> >>> To: dng >> >>> Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Dear All, >> >>> >> >>> As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a >> >>> network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN >> >>> PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books >> >>> from specialised booksellers and studying on my own. >> >>> >> >>> Now regarding the bad marks I am getting (2/10?) for writing a >> >>> project >> >>> that has been working since its inception although I have been >> >>> using it for a month now without issues. Furthermore, I don't want to >> >>> use shell scripts or any interpreters: those who want to use them can >> >>> easily, or I dare say not so easily, as coding requires commitment, >> >>> especially, if it is done for fr
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi All, Now netman, the GUI uses a systray icon. Right clicking shows a popup menu and left clicking displays the netman main window. Since there are window manager users and I don't use a window manager, I would like to know whether using a systray icon will negatively impact users of window managers. In other words, is it possible to display a systray icon in a window manager? If not I will need to do something about that. Please give me feedback. Edward On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > If you know the essids and the corresponding password you can reenter > these by clicking the New button and filling the essid and password. > You can also switch between obfuscating the password chars and seeing > exactly what you type. > > netman uses an algorithm where it gives first priority to the best > wifi signal available provided a corresponding essid file exists. So, > if you are away from say wifiX, netman will not attempt to use it > unless you force to do so. > > Edward > > On 26/09/2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 01:25:09PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. >>> http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ >> >> >> Your aerial view walpaper is lovely. It's on the verge of giving me >> vertigo. >> >> I'm wondering if there are technical reasons to switch from wicd to >> netman. As far as I know, wicd is systemd-free. Is there any reason to >> suspect it's going to be otherwise? >> >> There is a nontechnical reason, of course, which is supporting our own >> developers. >> >> The main issue is I have with switching is that if I have trouble with >> it, whether it's my fault or not, I'll lose the convenient network >> access I use to ask for help. >> >> I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it seems >> to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wifi, it detects it, >> then allows me to enter the local wifi password. >> >> But when I'm away from it, there seems to be no way to tell it about the >> now-remote site. >> >> Now the occasions on which I want to use it are vanishingly small. But >> is has once happened that I'm initialising a new device, and it would be >> massively convenient not to have to visit every wifi spot I plan to use >> merely to transfer the passwords from the old device to the new. >> >> Can netman do this? >> >> I also like a mode in which I can see the password I'm entering. I'm >> not a great typist, and I'd like to know whether I have the wrong >> password or merely entered it wrong. When my wife broke her wrist, >> correct password typing became an unsurmountable obstacle for her. >> Seeing the password is a security risk, but it's also an invaluable >> accessibility feature. >> >> All in all, considering where you started from, you've done an >> amazing job. I haven't read the code or tried it, but the UI looks >> straightforward and to the point. You have probably learned a lot, too. >> Keep up the good work. >> >> -- hendrik >> >>> >>> On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> > Hi All, >>> > >>> > I was asked for the current netman's frontend GUI screenshot. Here it >>> > is: >>> > http://s13.postimg.org/lirdshy07/2015_09_26_124924_1600x900_scrot.png >>> > >>> > I liked it for its simplicity... but I will have to adapt to what >>> > potential users want. >>> > >>> > Edward >>> > >>> > On 26/09/2015, info at smallinnovations.nl >>> > wrote: >>> >> Edward, >>> >> >>> >> Although i will stay with wicd i am glad that with netman i do have a >>> >> choice. >>> >> And most important of all you actually did something whereas others >>> >> still are sitting on their hands. >>> >> So if someone friendly point out some improvements make us of it. >>> >> And if some dick is just criticizing without any real suggestion for >>> >> improvement just ignore him. >>> >> >>> >> Just my 0,02 >>> >> >>> >>> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 08:04:15 +0200 >>> >>> From: Edward Bartolo >>> >>> To: dng >>> >>> Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >&g
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:21:43 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it > seems to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wifi, it > detects it, then allows me to enter the local wifi password. IIRC wicd uses dbus, which is more and more being corrupted by freedesktop think, if not actual systemd dependencies. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi All, netman now has systray icon support. The following are screenshots of how the GUI looks. The menu: http://postimg.org/image/hmpmi1mn1/ The main window: http://postimg.org/image/3qpcg3jcp/ The Detailed Information popup window has been integrated with the main window. This was done so that the GUI looks less fragmented. Now clicking the button for detailed wifi information hides the main window components to display a multiline text edit with the information displayed and a close button underneath. The main window with the components hidden showing detailed wifi information: http://postimg.org/image/o68snvlbt/ The next GUI changes will involve the New/Edit dialog box as users have suggested that netman displays more information. Please give feedback as to what you want. Edward On 26/09/2015, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:21:43 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > >> I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it >> seems to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wifi, it >> detects it, then allows me to enter the local wifi password. > > IIRC wicd uses dbus, which is more and more being corrupted by > freedesktop think, if not actual systemd dependencies. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts > http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Interested Users, Tell me what information should I display on the New/Edit dialog box? I also need some 'artist' who wants to create a couple of icons for netman that will be used to indicate connected and disconnected status. Edward On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > netman now has systray icon support. The following are screenshots of > how the GUI looks. > > The menu: > http://postimg.org/image/hmpmi1mn1/ > > The main window: > http://postimg.org/image/3qpcg3jcp/ > > The Detailed Information popup window has been integrated with the > main window. This was done so that the GUI looks less fragmented. Now > clicking the button for detailed wifi information hides the main > window components to display a multiline text edit with the > information displayed and a close button underneath. > > The main window with the components hidden showing detailed wifi > information: > http://postimg.org/image/o68snvlbt/ > > The next GUI changes will involve the New/Edit dialog box as users > have suggested that netman displays more information. > > Please give feedback as to what you want. > > Edward > > On 26/09/2015, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:21:43 -0400 >> Hendrik Boom wrote: >> >> >>> I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it >>> seems to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wifi, it >>> detects it, then allows me to enter the local wifi password. >> >> IIRC wicd uses dbus, which is more and more being corrupted by >> freedesktop think, if not actual systemd dependencies. >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Ed, if you're taking requests for features, I've got some... 1. netman --help (to show what command line options exist) 2. If the config file will accept a definition for an interface other than wlan0 or eth0, a commented example showing the correct syntax would help. And while you're thinking about this, maybe it's a good time to think ahead to when the interface names will change, if you haven't already done that. (e.g. from ethX to enp-blah.) 3. Some way to display the IP address when connected, either on-demand or along with the word, Connected, or some other way. fsr @Hendrik, Here's are the places I know where wireless connection information gets stored. You can probably just copy the files over to a new system. I've never tried it. /var/lib/wicd/configurations/* /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections fsr On 09/26/2015 12:13 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Now netman, the GUI uses a systray icon. Right clicking shows a popup > menu and left clicking displays the netman main window. > > Since there are window manager users and I don't use a window manager, > I would like to know whether using a systray icon will negatively > impact users of window managers. In other words, is it possible to > display a systray icon in a window manager? If not I will need to do > something about that. > > Please give me feedback. > > Edward > > > On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> If you know the essids and the corresponding password you can reenter >> these by clicking the New button and filling the essid and password. >> You can also switch between obfuscating the password chars and seeing >> exactly what you type. >> >> netman uses an algorithm where it gives first priority to the best >> wifi signal available provided a corresponding essid file exists. So, >> if you are away from say wifiX, netman will not attempt to use it >> unless you force to do so. >> >> Edward >> >> On 26/09/2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: >>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 01:25:09PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ >>> >>> >>> Your aerial view walpaper is lovely. It's on the verge of giving me >>> vertigo. >>> >>> I'm wondering if there are technical reasons to switch from wicd to >>> netman. As far as I know, wicd is systemd-free. Is there any reason to >>> suspect it's going to be otherwise? >>> >>> There is a nontechnical reason, of course, which is supporting our own >>> developers. >>> >>> The main issue is I have with switching is that if I have trouble with >>> it, whether it's my fault or not, I'll lose the convenient network >>> access I use to ask for help. >>> >>> I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it seems >>> to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wifi, it detects it, >>> then allows me to enter the local wifi password. >>> >>> But when I'm away from it, there seems to be no way to tell it about the >>> now-remote site. >>> >>> Now the occasions on which I want to use it are vanishingly small. But >>> is has once happened that I'm initialising a new device, and it would be >>> massively convenient not to have to visit every wifi spot I plan to use >>> merely to transfer the passwords from the old device to the new. >>> >>> Can netman do this? >>> >>> I also like a mode in which I can see the password I'm entering. I'm >>> not a great typist, and I'd like to know whether I have the wrong >>> password or merely entered it wrong. When my wife broke her wrist, >>> correct password typing became an unsurmountable obstacle for her. >>> Seeing the password is a security risk, but it's also an invaluable >>> accessibility feature. >>> >>> All in all, considering where you started from, you've done an >>> amazing job. I haven't read the code or tried it, but the UI looks >>> straightforward and to the point. You have probably learned a lot, too. >>> Keep up the good work. >>> >>> -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Ed, if you're taking requests for features, I've got some... 1. netman --help (to show what command line options exist) 2. If the config file will accept a definition for an interface other than wlan0 or eth0, a commented example showing the correct syntax would help. And while you're thinking about this, maybe it's a good time to think ahead to when the interface names will change, if you haven't already done that. (e.g. from ethX to enp-blah.) 3. Some way to display the IP address when connected, either on-demand or along with the word, Connected, or some other way. fsr @Hendrik, Here's are the places I know where wireless connection information gets stored. You can probably just copy the files over to a new system. I've never tried it. /var/lib/wicd/configurations/* /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections fsr On 09/26/2015 12:13 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Now netman, the GUI uses a systray icon. Right clicking shows a popup > menu and left clicking displays the netman main window. > > Since there are window manager users and I don't use a window manager, > I would like to know whether using a systray icon will negatively > impact users of window managers. In other words, is it possible to > display a systray icon in a window manager? If not I will need to do > something about that. > > Please give me feedback. > > Edward > > > On 26/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> If you know the essids and the corresponding password you can reenter >> these by clicking the New button and filling the essid and password. >> You can also switch between obfuscating the password chars and seeing >> exactly what you type. >> >> netman uses an algorithm where it gives first priority to the best >> wifi signal available provided a corresponding essid file exists. So, >> if you are away from say wifiX, netman will not attempt to use it >> unless you force to do so. >> >> Edward >> >> On 26/09/2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: >>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 01:25:09PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ >>> >>> >>> Your aerial view walpaper is lovely. It's on the verge of giving me >>> vertigo. >>> >>> I'm wondering if there are technical reasons to switch from wicd to >>> netman. As far as I know, wicd is systemd-free. Is there any reason to >>> suspect it's going to be otherwise? >>> >>> There is a nontechnical reason, of course, which is supporting our own >>> developers. >>> >>> The main issue is I have with switching is that if I have trouble with >>> it, whether it's my fault or not, I'll lose the convenient network >>> access I use to ask for help. >>> >>> I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it seems >>> to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wifi, it detects it, >>> then allows me to enter the local wifi password. >>> >>> But when I'm away from it, there seems to be no way to tell it about the >>> now-remote site. >>> >>> Now the occasions on which I want to use it are vanishingly small. But >>> is has once happened that I'm initialising a new device, and it would be >>> massively convenient not to have to visit every wifi spot I plan to use >>> merely to transfer the passwords from the old device to the new. >>> >>> Can netman do this? >>> >>> I also like a mode in which I can see the password I'm entering. I'm >>> not a great typist, and I'd like to know whether I have the wrong >>> password or merely entered it wrong. When my wife broke her wrist, >>> correct password typing became an unsurmountable obstacle for her. >>> Seeing the password is a security risk, but it's also an invaluable >>> accessibility feature. >>> >>> All in all, considering where you started from, you've done an >>> amazing job. I haven't read the code or tried it, but the UI looks >>> straightforward and to the point. You have probably learned a lot, too. >>> Keep up the good work. >>> >>> -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Jaromil writes: [...] > when I read the C part of netman I can't stop thinking it should be > just shell code, since its spawning so many external processes. It can't be "just shell code" because it is (or was when this was communicated for the last time) supposed to be installed setuid-0 in order to enable the GUI to perform certain actions "as root". Considering this, it should really avoid using the shell for anything. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Edward Bartolo writes: [...] > I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a > headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go > a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better > the next time. As soon as you do something, especially if it seems to be something reasonably simple, a lot of "cable TV guys"[*] will feel the overwhelming urge to tell you that "it sucks and you suck, too". Since that's all they ever do and it's totally useless, they're best ignored. [*] Supposed to refer to people who spend their days with a remote in hand, aimlessly zapping from channel to channel because "everything sucks" (as frequently communicated to anyone willing to listen). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 08:16:06AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 08:04:15AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a > > headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go > > a beating and a severe bashing instead of being guided to do better > > the next time. > > > > Again guys, the quality of a software does not improve of get worse if > we spend more words about its pluses and minuses, or if we bring in > the discussion more motivations and excuses about what we think is a > plus or a minus. A software is good if it serves a need or solves a > problem in a good way, whatever your notion of "good" is. If this > happens, (some) people will use, change and improve it, and the > software will survive. Otherwise, it will fall into oblivion, as has > already happened for 99.9% of the code written so far. > > For Edward: I know it is almost unavoidable to get comments on the > software you produce at a personal level, but as in any other creative > activity, the take of the creator on his own creature might (or would? > or should?) differ from the opinion of others. You should probably > accept it and live with that, if you want to continue writing > software. It's just impossible to make everybody happy, so if you want > to keep coding just code for your own happiness, as every free > software coder does. Sometimes your happiness will match the happiness > of somebody else, while most of the times it will not. If this is a > major problem for you, go choose another creative activity and have > fun :) For Edward: You'll get feedback from users. when I had a job as a professional programmer, my best days were the ones when I got actual feedback from users, telling me what was wrong with the software I was in charge of (often not written my me) or what they wanted done. Someone was actually using what I was working on! That gave it an immediacy and a purpose I never got from anything I just wrote for myself. And I learned from it. I ended up discovering that you can't copy C string by assuming they stop at the first zero byte. (Korean two-byte characters sometimes contain zero bytes). When the C interpreter I was maintaining failed to process a users's program that was submitted in strict ANSI mode, I discovered that code in Sun's include files violated the standard. But the program that gave me the most joy was way back in the 60's, when I was a complete amateur. THe keypunch operators had typed in a few thousand cards of what now would be called a relational data base, leaving the fields with missing data blank. Disaster. The program that read it would read the cards in a way that read blanks as zeros, which, unfortunately, were valid data. They started retyping it with a newly chosen escape value to reppresent missing data. I intervened. I wrote a short assembly-language routine that read the cards in alphanumeric mode, which could distinguish spaces from zeros, and punch them out with theproper missing-data code. They were much pleased. They really didn't want to repunch all those data again. I gather that it had been relatively unpleasant, exacting work. I was pleased too, to have saved them a lot of that work. About the code you wrote. As I said elsewhere, I haven't read it. But I have every intention of installing it when it's available from devuan as a netman package. Currently I don't find it in jessie. I hope I'll get to install it when it's ready, in this release or the next. You are learning. Keep at it. -- hendrik > > Having said that, I also had a quick look to netman C code, and it > seemed a bit kinky to me, even putting aside the fact that it does not > compile out of the box, which is quite irritating as well... A to what you should do next, please shepherd into the devuan release. And follow up by maintaining it. Once it gets to users, you'll discover what else it needs. I mean what else turns out to be essential functionality no on thought of yet. I don't mean decorating it with prettiness. -- hendrik > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] > [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] > [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Hi Edward, Using systray icons will not impact negatively to window manager users. I'm a window manager user. Panels like tint2, bmpanel, etc... support systray icons. Aitor. El 26/09/15 a las 22:13, Edward Bartolo escribió: Hi All, Now netman, the GUI uses a systray icon. Right clicking shows a popup menu and left clicking displays the netman main window. Since there are window manager users and I don't use a window manager, I would like to know whether using a systray icon will negatively impact users of window managers. In other words, is it possible to display a systray icon in a window manager? If not I will need to do something about that. Please give me feedback. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:41:27 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Dear All, > > Since netman is effectively ready, and I can still offer my coding > services to the Devuan project, I would like to ask what task should I > take as my second attempt at helping with the project? Hi Edward, If I had one thing to ask you to do (besides what you just did), it would be to fork ncurses and make it so that it would work with Valgrind when you use a specific command line option. As ncurses stands now, you must recompile it to make it not erroneously tell Valgrind that it's leaking like a sieve. I'm a brave guy, but I'm not going to recompile nCurses and everything that depends on it. I've asked Thomas Dickey several times for this change, and his attitude is "probably never." SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Quote "If I had one thing to ask you to do (besides what you just did), it would be to fork ncurses and make it so that it would work with Valgrind when you use a specific command line option. As ncurses stands now, you must recompile it to make it not erroneously tell Valgrind that it's leaking like a sieve." Could you please give me more details about what such a project would involve? What is the package name we are after, and what does it do? You don't need to give me many details, you only need to set me on the right path, and I will continue from there on. Edward On 27/09/2015, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:41:27 +0200 > Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Since netman is effectively ready, and I can still offer my coding >> services to the Devuan project, I would like to ask what task should I >> take as my second attempt at helping with the project? > > Hi Edward, > > If I had one thing to ask you to do (besides what you just did), it > would be to fork ncurses and make it so that it would work with > Valgrind when you use a specific command line option. As ncurses stands > now, you must recompile it to make it not erroneously tell Valgrind > that it's leaking like a sieve. > > I'm a brave guy, but I'm not going to recompile nCurses and everything > that depends on it. > > I've asked Thomas Dickey several times for this change, and his > attitude is "probably never." > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts > http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Edward Bartolo writes: > Quote "If I had one thing to ask you to do (besides what you just did), it > would be to fork ncurses and make it so that it would work with > Valgrind when you use a specific command line option. As ncurses stands > now, you must recompile it to make it not erroneously tell Valgrind > that it's leaking like a sieve." > > > Could you please give me more details about what such a project would > involve? What is the package name we are after, and what does it do? https://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ Considering https://www.daniweb.com/programming/software-development/threads/352855/ncurses-memory-leak-problem http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ncurses.faq.html#config_leaks http://valgrind.10908.n7.nabble.com/valgrind-with-curses-library-td33748.html the issue seems to be more on of interpreting the valgrind output incorrectly: It didn't report any memory leaks (allocated memory which is no longer reachable) but that the library allocated memory it retained for future use which is still reachable. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Thanks Edward for your great effort, commitment and persistence and Aitor for packaging. I have yet to work out how to automatically connect on boot. A manpage is needed. An installation and some live images here use (self-compiled) eudev. The wireless inteface is not necessarily wlanx but a string which I haven't yet identified where it comes from. Maybe it's to do with newer (systemd-)udev which eudev tracks. However it does show and work in wicd. I would like to see netman identify and use other than wlan0. I have used wicd for convenience and ability to autoconnect but am not keen on dbus reliance. Before I used wpa-gui but it has qt4 deps. Netman wouldn't work here till after reboot, with wicd initscript disabled. David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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To connect automatically on boot you only need to pass --auto-conn parameter to netman, the frontend GUI. I use it that way and it connects as soon as I log into XFCE4. Configure your desktop or window manager to run netman with --auto-conn as a parameter. So, the command should be like this: /usr/bin/netman --auto-conn The latest netman commit on git.devuan.org uses a systray icon just like all other network managers. Left click shows the GUI, right click shows a popup menu. Icon is updated to signify 'connected' and 'disconnected' status. Edward On 28/09/2015, David Hare wrote: > Thanks Edward for your great effort, commitment and persistence and > Aitor for packaging. > > I have yet to work out how to automatically connect on boot. A manpage > is needed. > > An installation and some live images here use (self-compiled) eudev. The > wireless inteface is not necessarily wlanx but a string which I haven't > yet identified where it comes from. Maybe it's to do with newer > (systemd-)udev which eudev tracks. However it does show and work in > wicd. I would like to see netman identify and use other than wlan0. > > I have used wicd for convenience and ability to autoconnect but am not > keen on dbus reliance. Before I used wpa-gui but it has qt4 deps. > > Netman wouldn't work here till after reboot, with wicd initscript disabled. > > David > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
You can use udev to map wlan0 to the new device name so that netman would work. I was thinking about a configuration file for the backend so that it would be able to substitute wlan0 and eth0 with other device names as set up by the user. I was thinking about this format: wlanX=wireless-device-name ethX=wired-connection-name However, I need the know what other developers think about this approach. Edward On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > To connect automatically on boot you only need to pass --auto-conn > parameter to netman, the frontend GUI. I use it that way and it > connects as soon as I log into XFCE4. Configure your desktop or window > manager to run netman with --auto-conn as a parameter. > > So, the command should be like this: > /usr/bin/netman --auto-conn > > The latest netman commit on git.devuan.org uses a systray icon just > like all other network managers. Left click shows the GUI, right click > shows a popup menu. Icon is updated to signify 'connected' and > 'disconnected' status. > > Edward > > On 28/09/2015, David Hare wrote: >> Thanks Edward for your great effort, commitment and persistence and >> Aitor for packaging. >> >> I have yet to work out how to automatically connect on boot. A manpage >> is needed. >> >> An installation and some live images here use (self-compiled) eudev. The >> wireless inteface is not necessarily wlanx but a string which I haven't >> yet identified where it comes from. Maybe it's to do with newer >> (systemd-)udev which eudev tracks. However it does show and work in >> wicd. I would like to see netman identify and use other than wlan0. >> >> I have used wicd for convenience and ability to autoconnect but am not >> keen on dbus reliance. Before I used wpa-gui but it has qt4 deps. >> >> Netman wouldn't work here till after reboot, with wicd initscript >> disabled. >> >> David >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
@Edward and David: Don't know if this is helpful or if you've already seen it... Here's how the new network interface naming scheme works (or is supposed to work): http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ From that page: "By default, systemd v197 will now name interfaces following policy 1) if that information from the firmware is applicable and available, falling back to 2) if that information from the firmware is applicable and available, falling back to 3) if applicable, falling back to 5) in all other cases. Policy 4) is not used by default, but is available if the user chooses so." And from my own testing on sid using a usb wireless interface, I got Policy 4 (MAC address in device name) by default, contrary to what it says. (Maybe 'cause I'm not running systemd?) This describes the names in detail: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/udev/udev-builtin-net_id.c#n20 fsr On 09/28/2015 07:43 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > You can use udev to map wlan0 to the new device name so that netman would > work. > > I was thinking about a configuration file for the backend so that it > would be able to substitute wlan0 and eth0 with other device names as > set up by the user. I was thinking about this format: > wlanX=wireless-device-name > ethX=wired-connection-name > > However, I need the know what other developers think about this approach. > > Edward > > On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> To connect automatically on boot you only need to pass --auto-conn >> parameter to netman, the frontend GUI. I use it that way and it >> connects as soon as I log into XFCE4. Configure your desktop or window >> manager to run netman with --auto-conn as a parameter. >> >> So, the command should be like this: >> /usr/bin/netman --auto-conn >> >> The latest netman commit on git.devuan.org uses a systray icon just >> like all other network managers. Left click shows the GUI, right click >> shows a popup menu. Icon is updated to signify 'connected' and >> 'disconnected' status. >> >> Edward >> >> On 28/09/2015, David Hare wrote: >>> Thanks Edward for your great effort, commitment and persistence and >>> Aitor for packaging. >>> >>> I have yet to work out how to automatically connect on boot. A manpage >>> is needed. >>> >>> An installation and some live images here use (self-compiled) eudev. The >>> wireless inteface is not necessarily wlanx but a string which I haven't >>> yet identified where it comes from. Maybe it's to do with newer >>> (systemd-)udev which eudev tracks. However it does show and work in >>> wicd. I would like to see netman identify and use other than wlan0. >>> >>> I have used wicd for convenience and ability to autoconnect but am not >>> keen on dbus reliance. Before I used wpa-gui but it has qt4 deps. >>> >>> Netman wouldn't work here till after reboot, with wicd initscript >>> disabled. >>> >>> David >>> >>> ___ >>> Dng mailing list >>> Dng@lists.dyne.org >>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>> >> > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
fsmithred writes:
> @Edward and David:
>
> Don't know if this is helpful or if you've already seen it...
>
> Here's how the new network interface naming scheme works (or is supposed
> to work):
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
Something worthy of being remembered for this case: This problem is
(almost) exclusively caused by the way 'distribution kernel
organization' ("compile every available driver as module") and "udev
module loading" interact: The kernel will probe devices as they're
encountered on the various busses but since udev loads driver modules
concurrently, this may even cause re-arrangements of "fixed" hardware as
the first driver which registers an interface gets eth0 (and so on), ie,
it's not the kernel names which are "unpredictable" but the order of
device driver init routine calls provided drivers are loaded by udev.
Judging from the documentation, "the new scheme" "improves" upon this by
ensuring that not even single interface computers get stable interface
names: Move the card to a different PCI slot or reconfigure your USB -
hey presto! - your network interface just got a new name.
... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named
"enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 ---
how terribly boring!
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If I were to write this implementation I would do it this way:
i) do the above as described to obtain a list of devices
ii) sort the list alphabetically by name
iii) rename the list as usual.
That would get rid of all randomness.
Edward
On 28/09/2015, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> fsmithred writes:
>> @Edward and David:
>>
>> Don't know if this is helpful or if you've already seen it...
>>
>> Here's how the new network interface naming scheme works (or is supposed
>> to work):
>> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
>
> Something worthy of being remembered for this case: This problem is
> (almost) exclusively caused by the way 'distribution kernel
> organization' ("compile every available driver as module") and "udev
> module loading" interact: The kernel will probe devices as they're
> encountered on the various busses but since udev loads driver modules
> concurrently, this may even cause re-arrangements of "fixed" hardware as
> the first driver which registers an interface gets eth0 (and so on), ie,
> it's not the kernel names which are "unpredictable" but the order of
> device driver init routine calls provided drivers are loaded by udev.
>
> Judging from the documentation, "the new scheme" "improves" upon this by
> ensuring that not even single interface computers get stable interface
> names: Move the card to a different PCI slot or reconfigure your USB -
> hey presto! - your network interface just got a new name.
>
> ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named
> "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 ---
> how terribly boring!
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Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Ooops, it gets rid of randomness *provided the same hardware is used*
but it should work if one changes slots etc.
On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> If I were to write this implementation I would do it this way:
> i) do the above as described to obtain a list of devices
> ii) sort the list alphabetically by name
> iii) rename the list as usual.
>
> That would get rid of all randomness.
>
>
> Edward
>
> On 28/09/2015, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> fsmithred writes:
>>> @Edward and David:
>>>
>>> Don't know if this is helpful or if you've already seen it...
>>>
>>> Here's how the new network interface naming scheme works (or is supposed
>>> to work):
>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
>>
>> Something worthy of being remembered for this case: This problem is
>> (almost) exclusively caused by the way 'distribution kernel
>> organization' ("compile every available driver as module") and "udev
>> module loading" interact: The kernel will probe devices as they're
>> encountered on the various busses but since udev loads driver modules
>> concurrently, this may even cause re-arrangements of "fixed" hardware as
>> the first driver which registers an interface gets eth0 (and so on), ie,
>> it's not the kernel names which are "unpredictable" but the order of
>> device driver init routine calls provided drivers are loaded by udev.
>>
>> Judging from the documentation, "the new scheme" "improves" upon this by
>> ensuring that not even single interface computers get stable interface
>> names: Move the card to a different PCI slot or reconfigure your USB -
>> hey presto! - your network interface just got a new name.
>>
>> ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named
>> "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 ---
>> how terribly boring!
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Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:45:03 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named > "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 --- > how terribly boring! I don't like it either, but even anti-systemd distros are going for this Freedesktop BS. Luckily, the following command is an easy way to see the names of your network interfaces: ip link | grep "^\S" | cut -d " " -f2 SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Quote: "Some way to display the IP address when connected, either on-demand or along with the word, Connected, or some other way." --- Which ip address? If a pc is connected to a wifi the address is something like 192.168.1.102. Are you talking about the ip address used by the router to access the internet? Edward On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 28/09/2015, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:45:03 +0100 >> Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >>> ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named >>> "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 --- >>> how terribly boring! >> >> I don't like it either, but even anti-systemd distros are going for >> this Freedesktop BS. Luckily, the following command is an easy way to >> see the names of your network interfaces: >> >> ip link | grep "^\S" | cut -d " " -f2 >> >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
I'm talking about the LAN address. A lot of times, one of the first things I do after booting into a new system is use sftp to move files. Also, with wicd, I've gotten used to seeing the local address, and I feel like it's a more reliable indicator that I'm online than just the word, Connected. But that's probably because I recall using gnome-network-manager, and it always lied to me, telling me I was connected when I wasn't, and vice versa. Thanks. BTW, the zipfile you uploaded a couple of hours ago compiles and runs. I forgot to look for the panel icon to change between connected and disconnected states. fsr On 09/28/2015 03:03 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Quote: "Some way to display the IP address when connected, either on-demand or > along with the word, Connected, or some other way." > --- > > Which ip address? If a pc is connected to a wifi the address is > something like 192.168.1.102. Are you talking about the ip address > used by the router to access the internet? > > Edward > > > On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> On 28/09/2015, Steve Litt wrote: >>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:45:03 +0100 >>> Rainer Weikusat wrote: >>> ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 --- how terribly boring! >>> >>> I don't like it either, but even anti-systemd distros are going for >>> this Freedesktop BS. Luckily, the following command is an easy way to >>> see the names of your network interfaces: >>> >>> ip link | grep "^\S" | cut -d " " -f2 >>> >>> >>> SteveT >>> >>> Steve Litt >>> August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust >>> ___ >>> Dng mailing list >>> Dng@lists.dyne.org >>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>> >> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
So, you are talking about the address displayed by "ip addr"? Please, forgive me to ask again, but I have to be certain to avoid writing code in vain. On 28/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: > I'm talking about the LAN address. A lot of times, one of the first things > I do after booting into a new system is use sftp to move files. > > Also, with wicd, I've gotten used to seeing the local address, and I feel > like it's a more reliable indicator that I'm online than just the word, > Connected. But that's probably because I recall using > gnome-network-manager, and it always lied to me, telling me I was > connected when I wasn't, and vice versa. > > Thanks. > > BTW, the zipfile you uploaded a couple of hours ago compiles and runs. I > forgot to look for the panel icon to change between connected and > disconnected states. > > fsr > > > On 09/28/2015 03:03 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Quote: "Some way to display the IP address when connected, either >> on-demand or >> along with the word, Connected, or some other way." >> --- >> >> Which ip address? If a pc is connected to a wifi the address is >> something like 192.168.1.102. Are you talking about the ip address >> used by the router to access the internet? >> >> Edward >> >> >> On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> On 28/09/2015, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:45:03 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named > "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 --- > how terribly boring! I don't like it either, but even anti-systemd distros are going for this Freedesktop BS. Luckily, the following command is an easy way to see the names of your network interfaces: ip link | grep "^\S" | cut -d " " -f2 SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Yes, the address displayed by "ip addr". I'm getting the 192.168.x.x number with that command, and that's the one I need. Sorry I wasn't clear. fsr On 09/28/2015 04:26 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > So, you are talking about the address displayed by "ip addr"? Please, > forgive me to ask again, but I have to be certain to avoid writing > code in vain. > > On 28/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: >> I'm talking about the LAN address. A lot of times, one of the first things >> I do after booting into a new system is use sftp to move files. >> >> Also, with wicd, I've gotten used to seeing the local address, and I feel >> like it's a more reliable indicator that I'm online than just the word, >> Connected. But that's probably because I recall using >> gnome-network-manager, and it always lied to me, telling me I was >> connected when I wasn't, and vice versa. >> >> Thanks. >> >> BTW, the zipfile you uploaded a couple of hours ago compiles and runs. I >> forgot to look for the panel icon to change between connected and >> disconnected states. >> >> fsr >> >> >> On 09/28/2015 03:03 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> Quote: "Some way to display the IP address when connected, either >>> on-demand or >>> along with the word, Connected, or some other way." >>> --- >>> >>> Which ip address? If a pc is connected to a wifi the address is >>> something like 192.168.1.102. Are you talking about the ip address >>> used by the router to access the internet? >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> >>> On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: On 28/09/2015, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:45:03 +0100 > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named >> "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 --- >> how terribly boring! > > I don't like it either, but even anti-systemd distros are going for > this Freedesktop BS. Luckily, the following command is an easy way to > see the names of your network interfaces: > > ip link | grep "^\S" | cut -d " " -f2 > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts > http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > >> >> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
I can provide more network connection information through a dialog box. I am suggesting this to be invoked by clicking the word 'Connected' or 'Disconnected'. I can make the latter behave like an internet hotlink. I will also provide a menu item to invoke the dialog box to minimize the number of clicks. What do you think? Edward On 28/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: > Yes, the address displayed by "ip addr". I'm getting the 192.168.x.x > number with that command, and that's the one I need. Sorry I wasn't clear. > > fsr > > > On 09/28/2015 04:26 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> So, you are talking about the address displayed by "ip addr"? Please, >> forgive me to ask again, but I have to be certain to avoid writing >> code in vain. >> >> On 28/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: >>> I'm talking about the LAN address. A lot of times, one of the first >>> things >>> I do after booting into a new system is use sftp to move files. >>> >>> Also, with wicd, I've gotten used to seeing the local address, and I >>> feel >>> like it's a more reliable indicator that I'm online than just the word, >>> Connected. But that's probably because I recall using >>> gnome-network-manager, and it always lied to me, telling me I was >>> connected when I wasn't, and vice versa. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> BTW, the zipfile you uploaded a couple of hours ago compiles and runs. I >>> forgot to look for the panel icon to change between connected and >>> disconnected states. >>> >>> fsr >>> >>> >>> On 09/28/2015 03:03 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Quote: "Some way to display the IP address when connected, either on-demand or along with the word, Connected, or some other way." --- Which ip address? If a pc is connected to a wifi the address is something like 192.168.1.102. Are you talking about the ip address used by the router to access the internet? Edward On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 28/09/2015, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:45:03 +0100 >> Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >>> ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named >>> "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 >>> --- >>> how terribly boring! >> >> I don't like it either, but even anti-systemd distros are going for >> this Freedesktop BS. Luckily, the following command is an easy way to >> see the names of your network interfaces: >> >> ip link | grep "^\S" | cut -d " " -f2 >> >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > >>> >>> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to code or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? fsr On 09/29/2015 04:58 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I can provide more network connection information through a dialog > box. I am suggesting this to be invoked by clicking the word > 'Connected' or 'Disconnected'. I can make the latter behave like an > internet hotlink. I will also provide a menu item to invoke the dialog > box to minimize the number of clicks. > > What do you think? > > Edward > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
> Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it > displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in > smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to code > or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). I will provide a small button next to "Connected". Using a hotlink may require one to use a mouse. > I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? The popup menu that is displayed when the systray icon is right clicked. Edward On 29/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: > Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it > displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in > smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to code > or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). > > I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? > > fsr > > > > On 09/29/2015 04:58 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> I can provide more network connection information through a dialog >> box. I am suggesting this to be invoked by clicking the word >> 'Connected' or 'Disconnected'. I can make the latter behave like an >> internet hotlink. I will also provide a menu item to invoke the dialog >> box to minimize the number of clicks. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Edward >> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi All, This is the new netman's dialog displaying Network Information. http://s1.postimg.org/5qx5y6vxr/2015_09_29_08_1600x900_scrot.png Please, give feedback about the new dialog box. Edward On 29/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it >> displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in >> smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to >> code >> or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). > I will provide a small button next to "Connected". Using a hotlink may > require one to use a mouse. > >> I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? > The popup menu that is displayed when the systray icon is right clicked. > > Edward > > On 29/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: >> Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it >> displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in >> smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to >> code >> or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). >> >> I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? >> >> fsr >> >> >> >> On 09/29/2015 04:58 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> I can provide more network connection information through a dialog >>> box. I am suggesting this to be invoked by clicking the word >>> 'Connected' or 'Disconnected'. I can make the latter behave like an >>> internet hotlink. I will also provide a menu item to invoke the dialog >>> box to minimize the number of clicks. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Edward >>> >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Edward, Thanks! It looks good. I can't really see the back window, but I think maybe it looks better with the buttons on the side. You probably don't need to list the loopback, but I'm guessing it's there because it's easier to leave it than to take it out. fsr On 09/29/2015 04:30 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > This is the new netman's dialog displaying Network Information. > http://s1.postimg.org/5qx5y6vxr/2015_09_29_08_1600x900_scrot.png > > Please, give feedback about the new dialog box. > > Edward > > On 29/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it >>> displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in >>> smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to >>> code >>> or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). >> I will provide a small button next to "Connected". Using a hotlink may >> require one to use a mouse. >> >>> I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? >> The popup menu that is displayed when the systray icon is right clicked. >> >> Edward >> >> On 29/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: >>> Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it >>> displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in >>> smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to >>> code >>> or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). >>> >>> I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? >>> >>> fsr >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09/29/2015 04:58 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: I can provide more network connection information through a dialog box. I am suggesting this to be invoked by clicking the word 'Connected' or 'Disconnected'. I can make the latter behave like an internet hotlink. I will also provide a menu item to invoke the dialog box to minimize the number of clicks. What do you think? Edward >>> >>> >> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi fsmithred, Are you suggesting me to remove the lines starting with lo? If that is the case, it can be done. Thanks On 30/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: > Edward, > > Thanks! It looks good. I can't really see the back window, but I think > maybe it looks better with the buttons on the side. > > You probably don't need to list the loopback, but I'm guessing it's there > because it's easier to leave it than to take it out. > > fsr > > > On 09/29/2015 04:30 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> This is the new netman's dialog displaying Network Information. >> http://s1.postimg.org/5qx5y6vxr/2015_09_29_08_1600x900_scrot.png >> >> Please, give feedback about the new dialog box. >> >> Edward >> >> On 29/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to code or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). >>> I will provide a small button next to "Connected". Using a hotlink may >>> require one to use a mouse. >>> I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? >>> The popup menu that is displayed when the systray icon is right clicked. >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> On 29/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and in smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to code or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking about? fsr On 09/29/2015 04:58 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I can provide more network connection information through a dialog > box. I am suggesting this to be invoked by clicking the word > 'Connected' or 'Disconnected'. I can make the latter behave like an > internet hotlink. I will also provide a menu item to invoke the dialog > box to minimize the number of clicks. > > What do you think? > > Edward > >>> > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Screenshot showing main GUI and dialog. http://s1.postimg.org/94xipt3qn/2015_09_30_083837_1600x900_scrot.png On 30/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi fsmithred, > > Are you suggesting me to remove the lines starting with lo? If that is > the case, it can be done. > > Thanks > > On 30/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: >> Edward, >> >> Thanks! It looks good. I can't really see the back window, but I think >> maybe it looks better with the buttons on the side. >> >> You probably don't need to list the loopback, but I'm guessing it's there >> because it's easier to leave it than to take it out. >> >> fsr >> >> >> On 09/29/2015 04:30 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> This is the new netman's dialog displaying Network Information. >>> http://s1.postimg.org/5qx5y6vxr/2015_09_29_08_1600x900_scrot.png >>> >>> Please, give feedback about the new dialog box. >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> On 29/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it > displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and > in > smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to > code > or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). I will provide a small button next to "Connected". Using a hotlink may require one to use a mouse. > I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking > about? The popup menu that is displayed when the systray icon is right clicked. Edward On 29/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: > Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it > displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and > in > smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to > code > or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). > > I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking > about? > > fsr > > > > On 09/29/2015 04:58 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> I can provide more network connection information through a dialog >> box. I am suggesting this to be invoked by clicking the word >> 'Connected' or 'Disconnected'. I can make the latter behave like an >> internet hotlink. I will also provide a menu item to invoke the >> dialog >> box to minimize the number of clicks. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Edward >> > > >> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Display of 'lo' lines removed. Latest changes uploaded to git.devuan.org. On 30/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Screenshot showing main GUI and dialog. > http://s1.postimg.org/94xipt3qn/2015_09_30_083837_1600x900_scrot.png > > On 30/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Hi fsmithred, >> >> Are you suggesting me to remove the lines starting with lo? If that is >> the case, it can be done. >> >> Thanks >> >> On 30/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: >>> Edward, >>> >>> Thanks! It looks good. I can't really see the back window, but I think >>> maybe it looks better with the buttons on the side. >>> >>> You probably don't need to list the loopback, but I'm guessing it's >>> there >>> because it's easier to leave it than to take it out. >>> >>> fsr >>> >>> >>> On 09/29/2015 04:30 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi All, This is the new netman's dialog displaying Network Information. http://s1.postimg.org/5qx5y6vxr/2015_09_29_08_1600x900_scrot.png Please, give feedback about the new dialog box. Edward On 29/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it >> displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and >> in >> smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to >> code >> or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). > I will provide a small button next to "Connected". Using a hotlink may > require one to use a mouse. > >> I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking >> about? > The popup menu that is displayed when the systray icon is right > clicked. > > Edward > > On 29/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: >> Sure. Clicking on "Connected" would be fine. If possible, having it >> displayed on a second, below "Connected" without having to click, and >> in >> smaller type would be ok, too, but I'm guessing that's not as easy to >> code >> or might cause problems with the layout (spacing). >> >> I don't understand your last sentence. What menu are you talking >> about? >> >> fsr >> >> >> >> On 09/29/2015 04:58 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> I can provide more network connection information through a dialog >>> box. I am suggesting this to be invoked by clicking the word >>> 'Connected' or 'Disconnected'. I can make the latter behave like an >>> internet hotlink. I will also provide a menu item to invoke the >>> dialog >>> box to minimize the number of clicks. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Edward >>> >> >> > >>> >>> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 08:40 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Screenshot showing main GUI and dialog. > http://s1.postimg.org/94xipt3qn/2015_09_30_083837_1600x900_scrot.png Hi Edward, some small comments: - The Network Manager display lists available interfaces, and shows that you are connected: But to which interface? Can the interface connected to e.g. be marked with a different colour? - The Connection Information display shows Available Network Interfaces, Network Addresses and Network Statistics. However, Network Addresses, which I assume is the interface currently connected to does not show the ESSID information, only the IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. - NETWORK STATISTICS from "netstat -s" could read: Network Statistics: "netstat -s" or even only Network Statistics: - Please don't use all upper-case words! HTH :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi Svante, I am using block capitals only for headings as there is no other way to properly differentiate between a heading and other text. Rich text formatting is not supported. That would require using more libraries and probably would include other dependencies. I will try to implement the other additions you suggested. Edward On 30/09/2015, Svante Signell wrote: > On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 08:40 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Screenshot showing main GUI and dialog. >> http://s1.postimg.org/94xipt3qn/2015_09_30_083837_1600x900_scrot.png > > Hi Edward, some small comments: > > - The Network Manager display lists available interfaces, and shows that > you are connected: But to which interface? Can the interface connected > to e.g. be marked with a different colour? > > - The Connection Information display shows Available Network Interfaces, > Network Addresses and Network Statistics. However, Network Addresses, > which I assume is the interface currently connected to does not show the > ESSID information, only the IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. > > - NETWORK STATISTICS from "netstat -s" could read: > Network Statistics: "netstat -s" > or even only > Network Statistics: > > - Please don't use all upper-case words! > > HTH :) > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Hi fsmithred, I implemented optional use of a systray icon. Use the --no-tray-icon parameter. I will test and review the code changes and upload to the repository. Edward On 30/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Svante, > > I am using block capitals only for headings as there is no other way > to properly differentiate between a heading and other text. Rich text > formatting is not supported. That would require using more libraries > and probably would include other dependencies. > > I will try to implement the other additions you suggested. > > Edward > > On 30/09/2015, Svante Signell wrote: >> On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 08:40 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> Screenshot showing main GUI and dialog. >>> http://s1.postimg.org/94xipt3qn/2015_09_30_083837_1600x900_scrot.png >> >> Hi Edward, some small comments: >> >> - The Network Manager display lists available interfaces, and shows that >> you are connected: But to which interface? Can the interface connected >> to e.g. be marked with a different colour? >> >> - The Connection Information display shows Available Network Interfaces, >> Network Addresses and Network Statistics. However, Network Addresses, >> which I assume is the interface currently connected to does not show the >> ESSID information, only the IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. >> >> - NETWORK STATISTICS from "netstat -s" could read: >> Network Statistics: "netstat -s" >> or even only >> Network Statistics: >> >> - Please don't use all upper-case words! >> >> HTH :) >> >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
Thanks, you are right. Aitor. On 06/10/15 00:03, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: A little nitpick: the Description: of those packages is formally incorrect -- it should be an one-line short description followed by a multiline one (indented with one space, and with a single dot for blank lines). As it is now, there's only a long description whose first line leaks into the short's:) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?,Message-ID:
Updated *.deb packages of netman. deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main Aitor. El 30/09/15 a las 17:40, Edward Bartolo escribió: I implemented optional use of a systray icon. Use the --no-tray-icon parameter. I will test and review the code changes and upload to the repository. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?,Message-ID:
Hi Aitor, Thanks for providing these netman packages. Edward On 05/10/2015, aitor_czr wrote: > Updated *.deb packages of netman. > > deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main > deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main > > Aitor. > > El 30/09/15 a las 17:40, Edward Bartolo escribió: >> I implemented optional use of a systray icon. Use the --no-tray-icon >> parameter. I will test and review the code changes and upload to the >> repository. >> >> Edward > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?,Message-ID:
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:34 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Updated *.deb packages of netman. A little nitpick: the Description: of those packages is formally incorrect -- it should be an one-line short description followed by a multiline one (indented with one space, and with a single dot for blank lines). As it is now, there's only a long description whose first line leaks into the short's :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
