[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Seeking User Test of LO Base install for SQLite in Windows

[flywire]

Regarding the user testing comment "there's too much text about how to
create an empty [SQLite] file" (BG7302-CreatingADatabase). It is also noted
the Windows File Explorer instruction does not work with the default
configuration of View unselected File name extensions, and the SQLite
username and password are not relevant to this section.

The following is suggested as a simple OS independent alternative to
replace the whole section:

Initial preparations before connecting to a SQLite file


> Before making a connection, the SQLite database file must exist. If your
> database file does not exist then you can create an empty file, for example.
>


Start LibreOffice Writer:
> * File New, Text Document
> * File, Save As, File name: libretest.db, Save as type: Text (*.txt),
> Browse Folders to select required folder, Save


> Detailed documentation for sqlite3 can be found at
> https://www.sqlite.org/cli.html. SQLite is not prescriptive about the
> extension of a database file, “.sqlite” and “.db” are commonly used.


Regards

>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 22.5.2022 11.03, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Peter Schofield schreef op 22.05.2022 09:47:
I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” 
which has raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.


Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean 
that I have to completely update and change the user guides to suit 
a Notebookbar UI ???


I would like more information on this change to the UI so that I 
know what is going to happen. The comments in the bug report do not 
really help.





> Hi Peter
>
> To use the Notebookbar, you have to choose the option Tabbed.

This is not entirely accurate. There are 8 variants and Tabbed is one of 
them.


Before we make a decision about the default UI, I would like to see 
designers come up with improvements on how styles are presented in all 
the UIs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149230


I will be actively pointing new designers to this task until a 
satisfactory solution is found.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 7.4

[Martin Srebotnjak]

The LO74a1 is coming out probably next week (was officially scheduled May
9-15), and its builds are already available on the dev-builds website:
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

See also : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/7.4

Lp, m.

V V ned., 22. maj 2022 ob 12:10 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> Is there a link available to download LO 7.4, or is too early for a usable
> 7.4 version?
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 7.4

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 22.5.2022 13.09, Peter Schofield wrote:

Is there a link available to download LO 7.4, or is too early for a usable 7.4 
version?


You can always get unstable builds through 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/current.html


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 7.4

[Peter Schofield]

Is there a link available to download LO 7.4, or is too early for a usable 7.4 
version?

Regards
Peter Schofield
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Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team


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[libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 7.3

[Peter Schofield]

The complete Draw Guide 7.3 and the separate chapters are now in the Published 
and PDF Files folders on NextCloud ready for publishing.

Will now look at the Impress and Draw chapters in the Getting Started Guide to 
update to 7.4.

Regards
Peter Schofield
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

[Peter Schofield]

Thank you Kees

Will try it out and see how it all works.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team

> On 22 May 2022, at 10:03, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter
> 
> To use the Notebookbar, you have to choose the option Tabbed.
> 
> Regards, Kees
> 
> Peter Schofield schreef op 22.05.2022 09:47:
>> Hello Martin
>> I can only agree with your comments. It is just that I am concerned
>> about what changes are involved to the user guides.
>> One thing I would like to know is how do I set my LibreOffice to using
>> the Notebook Bar. I have switched on experimental features and opened
>> View - User Interface on the Menu bar, but there is no Notebook Bar
>> offered as an option. Yet, in LibreOffice > Preferences > LibreOffice
>> > View > Icon Size the Notebook Bar is there as an option. Some help please.
>> One thing that I think should be carried out is a spelling correction.
>> Change all instances of Notebookbar to the correct spelling of
>> Notebook Bar. Definitely does not look good when there are spelling
>> errors in the user interface.
>> Regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>>> On 21 May 2022, at 18:15, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
>>> Hello, Peter,
>>> Regarding the Touch Bar:
>>> - if I buy a computer with it (and spend more money), I expect it to bring 
>>> much joy to the use of my new laptop;
>>> - if I am not satisfied with the Bar, I cannot remove it physically from 
>>> the computer, it stands there and lights up every once in a while, 
>>> reminding me how well I spent my money;
>>> - I could use the 30-day money-back guarantee option, but that one might 
>>> not be available in my region (and requires some additional effort and 
>>> potentially even cost on my side).
>>> Regarding the LO UI-type change:
>>> - I haven't spent any money on the new UI, it is already present in 
>>> previous versions, maybe I even played with it before (or have it enabled) 
>>> and it is already described in all of the documentation;
>>> - if I do not like the new interface, I can switch back to the old one (OK, 
>>> some users with basic computer knowledge might have a problem with that, so 
>>> they need to be assisted in some way by a wizard or some UI tool);
>>> - *if I am not mistaken* - this would only change for users without a user 
>>> profile, i.e. without previous versions of LO installed - all others would 
>>> get the UI they used with the old/previous version of LO? So if they are 
>>> not used to LO and come from MSO, the notebookbar might seem a more logical 
>>> choice for starting the software for the first time.
>>> Of course, there will be users fighting about which UI is better, but ... 
>>> de gustibus non disputandum est.
>>> Lp, m.
>>> V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 11:22 je oseba Peter Schofield 
>>> mailto:psaut...@gmail.com>> napisala:
>>> Hello Martin
>>> I understand your thoughts and do agree that things must move on. However, 
>>> the idea of having a Notebookbar UI does worry me a little.
>>> Apple brought out a Touch Bar on some of the Macs, which was a physical 
>>> option not software, but software was involved. Apple are now rethinking 
>>> the Touch Bar, according to the news pundits, and it may be completely 
>>> dropped because it was not all that successful. Using this reasoning, I 
>>> think that a Notebookbar UI may also not be that successful.
>>> The Standard UI is great to use.
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Schofield
>>> psaut...@gmail.com 
>>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
 On 21 May 2022, at 11:14, Martin Srebotnjak >>> > wrote:
 Hi,
 I do not know about the future, but the TDF board should inform the teams 
 (esp. the documentation team) at least one version prior of such a change 
 (if being planned for 7.5/(=8.0?), the LO teams should be informed by the 
 time of the 7.4 release) - so everyone can prepare accordingly (maybe the 
 Documentation team will then decide to not work on 7.4 guides but start 
 rewriting the online help and the chapters of the guides for 7.5/8.0 with 
 that change in mind - the default gui does not change the functionality 
 itself, just its accessibility and requires many changed screenshots in 
 guides, so a lot of work can be done even before 7.5a1 is available, even 
 today).
 And another thing - there will be a lot of opposition to such a change - 
 so maybe when released - there should be a guide/wizard at the first start 
 of the suite to offer and explain/visualize the *two* (not 6 or 8) options 
 - classic vs. notebookbar. But I can't even imagine the fuss this would 
 create with help content and documentation, always mentioning the two 
 possibilities when describing the access to toolbar icons/items ...
 Peter, I understand you - but I think it is inevitable that such a change 
 would come. And 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

[kees538]

Hi Peter

To use the Notebookbar, you have to choose the option Tabbed.

Regards, Kees

Peter Schofield schreef op 22.05.2022 09:47:

Hello Martin

I can only agree with your comments. It is just that I am concerned
about what changes are involved to the user guides.

One thing I would like to know is how do I set my LibreOffice to using
the Notebook Bar. I have switched on experimental features and opened
View - User Interface on the Menu bar, but there is no Notebook Bar
offered as an option. Yet, in LibreOffice > Preferences > LibreOffice
> View > Icon Size the Notebook Bar is there as an option. Some help please.

One thing that I think should be carried out is a spelling correction.
Change all instances of Notebookbar to the correct spelling of
Notebook Bar. Definitely does not look good when there are spelling
errors in the user interface.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team


On 21 May 2022, at 18:15, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:

Hello, Peter,

Regarding the Touch Bar:
- if I buy a computer with it (and spend more money), I expect it to 
bring much joy to the use of my new laptop;
- if I am not satisfied with the Bar, I cannot remove it physically 
from the computer, it stands there and lights up every once in a 
while, reminding me how well I spent my money;
- I could use the 30-day money-back guarantee option, but that one 
might not be available in my region (and requires some additional 
effort and potentially even cost on my side).


Regarding the LO UI-type change:
- I haven't spent any money on the new UI, it is already present in 
previous versions, maybe I even played with it before (or have it 
enabled) and it is already described in all of the documentation;
- if I do not like the new interface, I can switch back to the old one 
(OK, some users with basic computer knowledge might have a problem 
with that, so they need to be assisted in some way by a wizard or some 
UI tool);
- *if I am not mistaken* - this would only change for users without a 
user profile, i.e. without previous versions of LO installed - all 
others would get the UI they used with the old/previous version of LO? 
So if they are not used to LO and come from MSO, the notebookbar might 
seem a more logical choice for starting the software for the first 
time.


Of course, there will be users fighting about which UI is better, but 
... de gustibus non disputandum est.


Lp, m.

V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 11:22 je oseba Peter Schofield 
mailto:psaut...@gmail.com>> napisala:

Hello Martin

I understand your thoughts and do agree that things must move on. 
However, the idea of having a Notebookbar UI does worry me a little.


Apple brought out a Touch Bar on some of the Macs, which was a 
physical option not software, but software was involved. Apple are now 
rethinking the Touch Bar, according to the news pundits, and it may be 
completely dropped because it was not all that successful. Using this 
reasoning, I think that a Notebookbar UI may also not be that 
successful.


The Standard UI is great to use.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com 
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team

On 21 May 2022, at 11:14, Martin Srebotnjak > wrote:


Hi,

I do not know about the future, but the TDF board should inform the 
teams (esp. the documentation team) at least one version prior of 
such a change (if being planned for 7.5/(=8.0?), the LO teams should 
be informed by the time of the 7.4 release) - so everyone can prepare 
accordingly (maybe the Documentation team will then decide to not 
work on 7.4 guides but start rewriting the online help and the 
chapters of the guides for 7.5/8.0 with that change in mind - the 
default gui does not change the functionality itself, just its 
accessibility and requires many changed screenshots in guides, so a 
lot of work can be done even before 7.5a1 is available, even today).


And another thing - there will be a lot of opposition to such a 
change - so maybe when released - there should be a guide/wizard at 
the first start of the suite to offer and explain/visualize the *two* 
(not 6 or 8) options - classic vs. notebookbar. But I can't even 
imagine the fuss this would create with help content and 
documentation, always mentioning the two possibilities when 
describing the access to toolbar icons/items ...


Peter, I understand you - but I think it is inevitable that such a 
change would come. And many changes to documentation as well.


Lp, m.

V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 09:48 je oseba Peter Schofield 
mailto:psaut...@gmail.com>> napisala:
I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” 
which has raised a question for me and would like some opinion on 
this.


Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean 
that I have to completely update and change the user guides to suit a 
Notebookbar UI ???


I would like more information on this change to the 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

[Peter Schofield]

Hello Martin

I can only agree with your comments. It is just that I am concerned about what 
changes are involved to the user guides.

One thing I would like to know is how do I set my LibreOffice to using the 
Notebook Bar. I have switched on experimental features and opened View - User 
Interface on the Menu bar, but there is no Notebook Bar offered as an option. 
Yet, in LibreOffice > Preferences > LibreOffice > View > Icon Size the Notebook 
Bar is there as an option. Some help please.

One thing that I think should be carried out is a spelling correction. Change 
all instances of Notebookbar to the correct spelling of Notebook Bar. 
Definitely does not look good when there are spelling errors in the user 
interface.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team

> On 21 May 2022, at 18:15, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
> 
> Hello, Peter,
> 
> Regarding the Touch Bar:
> - if I buy a computer with it (and spend more money), I expect it to bring 
> much joy to the use of my new laptop;
> - if I am not satisfied with the Bar, I cannot remove it physically from the 
> computer, it stands there and lights up every once in a while, reminding me 
> how well I spent my money;
> - I could use the 30-day money-back guarantee option, but that one might not 
> be available in my region (and requires some additional effort and 
> potentially even cost on my side).
> 
> Regarding the LO UI-type change:
> - I haven't spent any money on the new UI, it is already present in previous 
> versions, maybe I even played with it before (or have it enabled) and it is 
> already described in all of the documentation;
> - if I do not like the new interface, I can switch back to the old one (OK, 
> some users with basic computer knowledge might have a problem with that, so 
> they need to be assisted in some way by a wizard or some UI tool);
> - *if I am not mistaken* - this would only change for users without a user 
> profile, i.e. without previous versions of LO installed - all others would 
> get the UI they used with the old/previous version of LO? So if they are not 
> used to LO and come from MSO, the notebookbar might seem a more logical 
> choice for starting the software for the first time.
> 
> Of course, there will be users fighting about which UI is better, but ... de 
> gustibus non disputandum est.
> 
> Lp, m.
> 
> V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 11:22 je oseba Peter Schofield  > napisala:
> Hello Martin
> 
> I understand your thoughts and do agree that things must move on. However, 
> the idea of having a Notebookbar UI does worry me a little.
> 
> Apple brought out a Touch Bar on some of the Macs, which was a physical 
> option not software, but software was involved. Apple are now rethinking the 
> Touch Bar, according to the news pundits, and it may be completely dropped 
> because it was not all that successful. Using this reasoning, I think that a 
> Notebookbar UI may also not be that successful.
> 
> The Standard UI is great to use.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com 
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
> 
>> On 21 May 2022, at 11:14, Martin Srebotnjak > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I do not know about the future, but the TDF board should inform the teams 
>> (esp. the documentation team) at least one version prior of such a change 
>> (if being planned for 7.5/(=8.0?), the LO teams should be informed by the 
>> time of the 7.4 release) - so everyone can prepare accordingly (maybe the 
>> Documentation team will then decide to not work on 7.4 guides but start 
>> rewriting the online help and the chapters of the guides for 7.5/8.0 with 
>> that change in mind - the default gui does not change the functionality 
>> itself, just its accessibility and requires many changed screenshots in 
>> guides, so a lot of work can be done even before 7.5a1 is available, even 
>> today).
>> 
>> And another thing - there will be a lot of opposition to such a change - so 
>> maybe when released - there should be a guide/wizard at the first start of 
>> the suite to offer and explain/visualize the *two* (not 6 or 8) options - 
>> classic vs. notebookbar. But I can't even imagine the fuss this would create 
>> with help content and documentation, always mentioning the two possibilities 
>> when describing the access to toolbar icons/items ...
>> 
>> Peter, I understand you - but I think it is inevitable that such a change 
>> would come. And many changes to documentation as well.
>> 
>> Lp, m.
>> 
>> V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 09:48 je oseba Peter Schofield > > napisala:
>> I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” which has 
>> raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.
>> 
>> Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean that I 
>> have to completely update and change the user guides to suit a Notebookbar 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

[Mike Saunders]

Hi Martin, Peter, everyone,

On 21.05.22 18:15, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:


- *if I am not mistaken* - this would only change for users without a user
profile, i.e. without previous versions of LO installed - all others would
get the UI they used with the old/previous version of LO? So if they are
not used to LO and come from MSO, the notebookbar might seem a more logical
choice for starting the software for the first time.


From the marketing side: as I'm watching our social media channels, I'm 
seeing more and more requests to make the NotebookBar the default user 
interface. Of course, social media is its own "special" world, so there 
are many other factors in such a decision, and of course it'd be a lot 
of work for the documentation community...


Mike

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