Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc CG7208 - First Review
Hi Dev,I'm really sorry to hear that you aren't well and hope that you recover quickly.Thanks for letting us know.Regards,SteveOn 25 Oct 2021 09:10, Vasudev Narayanan vasudev.naraya...@aol.com wrote:Greetings - Because I am down with fever, I am unable to review Chapter 8. I have updated the status tracker by removing my initials. It means Calc Chapter 8 is available for the first review. Thank you -Dev On 21-Oct-21 14:12, Vasudev Narayanan wrote: Greetings - I am checking out the CG7208-Pivot Tables chapter for the first review and will complete it by 24-Oct. I am also updating the status tracker. Thank you -Dev -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide - Update and Review Process
Hi Kees, Good question! If we follow the process, then I think that the tracking spreadsheet will already have enough information. A file should be ready for second review if: (1) The first review is complete, indicated by the relevant "Return date" being populated. (2) The author has moved the file from Feedback to Draft, indicated by the Status column showing "In Draft". Regards, Steve On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 08:10, wrote: > Hi Steve > > One question. > How do we know a file is ready for a second review? Meaning the author > has inspected the proposed changes and had accepts all. Should we add a > notification in the Guide status sheet? > > Regards, Kees > > Stephen Fanning schreef op 18.05.2020 14:17: > > All, > > > > To clarify my own thoughts and, hopefully, to help anybody else who > > wishes > > to be involved, I have tried to write down the steps involved in > > updating > > and reviewing one chapter of the Calc Guide. Please see below. > > > > (Please note that I am not intending to define the steps involved for > > any > > other guides!) > > > > If anybody feels that what I have written is illogical, or not in > > accordance with the Team’s agreed procedures, then please let us know > > through the mailing list. > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > (1) Initial update. > > (a) Author copies master version of source file from relevant folder in > > Nextcloud to own computer. The master version of the source file would > > usually be found in the Published folder for the previous issue. > > (b) Author enables recording of track changes and edits the chapter as > > required. > > (c) Author updates first part of file name to reflect issue of document > > and > > adds initials and date to file name (for example, > > CG6408-PivotTables-SF-09May2020). > > (d) Author copies updated file to Draft folder in Nextcloud. > > (e) Author amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of updated > > chapter. > > > > (2) First review. > > (a) First reviewer amends tracking spreadsheet to indicate that he / > > she is > > performing the first review. > > (b) First reviewer copies updated file from Draft folder in Nextcloud > > to > > own computer. > > (c) First reviewer enables recording of track changes and reviews file. > > This may result in edits to the text to fix problems or may involve > > inserting comments that need to be addressed. > > (d) First reviewer adds initials and date to file name (for example, > > CG6408-PivotTables-SF-LMO-16May2020). > > (e) First reviewer copies updated file to Feedback folder in Nextcloud. > > (f) First reviewer amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of > > updated > > chapter. > > > > (3) Responding to first review. > > (a) Author copies updated file from Feedback folder in Nextcloud to own > > computer. > > (b) Author inspects proposed changes and accepts all that are > > acceptable, > > discusses with first reviewer any significant rejections or comments > > that > > need resolution. > > (c) Author accepts all changes to date and returns updated file to > > Draft > > folder in Nextcloud. > > (d) Author amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of updated > > chapter. > > > > (4) Second review. > > (a) Second reviewer amends tracking spreadsheet to indicate that he / > > she > > is performing the second review. > > (b) Second reviewer copies updated file from Draft folder in Nextcloud > > to > > own computer. > > (c) Second reviewer enables recording of track changes and reviews > > file. > > This may result in edits to the text to fix problems or may involve > > inserting comments that need to be addressed. > > (d) Second reviewer adds initials and date to file name (for example, > > CG6408-PivotTables-SF-LMO-KK-25May2020). > > (e) Second reviewer copies updated file to Feedback folder in > > Nextcloud. > > (f) Second reviewer amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of > > updated chapter. > > > > (5) Publishing. > > (a) Author copies updated file from Feedback folder in Nextcloud to own > > computer. > > (b) Author inspects proposed changes and accepts all that are > > acceptable, > > discusses with second reviewer any significant rejections or comments > > that > > need resolution. > > (c) Author accepts all changes to date and removes all initials and > > dates > > from the fi
[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide - Update and Review Process
All, To clarify my own thoughts and, hopefully, to help anybody else who wishes to be involved, I have tried to write down the steps involved in updating and reviewing one chapter of the Calc Guide. Please see below. (Please note that I am not intending to define the steps involved for any other guides!) If anybody feels that what I have written is illogical, or not in accordance with the Team’s agreed procedures, then please let us know through the mailing list. Regards, Steve (1) Initial update. (a) Author copies master version of source file from relevant folder in Nextcloud to own computer. The master version of the source file would usually be found in the Published folder for the previous issue. (b) Author enables recording of track changes and edits the chapter as required. (c) Author updates first part of file name to reflect issue of document and adds initials and date to file name (for example, CG6408-PivotTables-SF-09May2020). (d) Author copies updated file to Draft folder in Nextcloud. (e) Author amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of updated chapter. (2) First review. (a) First reviewer amends tracking spreadsheet to indicate that he / she is performing the first review. (b) First reviewer copies updated file from Draft folder in Nextcloud to own computer. (c) First reviewer enables recording of track changes and reviews file. This may result in edits to the text to fix problems or may involve inserting comments that need to be addressed. (d) First reviewer adds initials and date to file name (for example, CG6408-PivotTables-SF-LMO-16May2020). (e) First reviewer copies updated file to Feedback folder in Nextcloud. (f) First reviewer amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of updated chapter. (3) Responding to first review. (a) Author copies updated file from Feedback folder in Nextcloud to own computer. (b) Author inspects proposed changes and accepts all that are acceptable, discusses with first reviewer any significant rejections or comments that need resolution. (c) Author accepts all changes to date and returns updated file to Draft folder in Nextcloud. (d) Author amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of updated chapter. (4) Second review. (a) Second reviewer amends tracking spreadsheet to indicate that he / she is performing the second review. (b) Second reviewer copies updated file from Draft folder in Nextcloud to own computer. (c) Second reviewer enables recording of track changes and reviews file. This may result in edits to the text to fix problems or may involve inserting comments that need to be addressed. (d) Second reviewer adds initials and date to file name (for example, CG6408-PivotTables-SF-LMO-KK-25May2020). (e) Second reviewer copies updated file to Feedback folder in Nextcloud. (f) Second reviewer amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of updated chapter. (5) Publishing. (a) Author copies updated file from Feedback folder in Nextcloud to own computer. (b) Author inspects proposed changes and accepts all that are acceptable, discusses with second reviewer any significant rejections or comments that need resolution. (c) Author accepts all changes to date and removes all initials and dates from the file name. (d) Author returns updated file to Published folder in Nextcloud. (e) Author amends tracking spreadsheet to reflect status of updated chapter. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: 6.4 Calc Guide – Reviewers Needed!
All, Thanks again to those who are helping with the review of the Calc Guide. All chapters are now updated and available for review, so there is plenty to read for those who have any time to spare! I am not sure how these things work for other guides, but would it be possible to adopt the following process for this guide? When the second reviewer has finished his / her job on a chapter, it would be great if they could leave the document in the Feedback folder with their comments still tracked in it. That way, if there are any changes at second review, they can be seen by another pair of eyes (mine!) before being accepted and moved into the Published folder. At the moment I am happy to look at all Calc Guide comments that arrive in the Feedback folder. I’ll check them, accept them (unless they are obviously wrong in some way), and then move the file on to either the Draft folder (for second review) or the Published folder (when finished). I hope that sounds okay to everybody. Regards, Steve On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 21:16, Stephen Fanning wrote: > All, > > The 6.4 Calc Guide is progressing well, with 13 of the 17 chapters now > updated and available for review. The other 4 will be ready soon. > > Leo Moons has kindly performed the first review of 5 chapters, so they > need a second review. The other 8 completed chapters haven’t been reviewed > yet. > > If you have any time available, please consider reviewing one or more of > these chapters so that we can get the document completed as soon as is > possible. > > Many thanks in advance for any help that you can offer. > > Regards, > > Steve > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Notebookbar
Hi Jean, Thank you for that. I agree that it makes sense to put one general description of these facilities somewhere in the next issue of the Getting Started Guide, and referring to this from the other guides. In the relevant component guides, maybe they should also be mentioned (briefly) in the Setting up and Customizing chapters too? This is because of the appearance of related settings in two places: 1. In Tool > Options > LibreOffice > View > Icon size > Notebookbar. 2. On the Notebookbar tab of the Tools > Customize dialog. I'm currently working on this chapter for the Calc Guide (hence my interest in this topic!) and could easily cover these controls therein, at a very high level. Is it sensible for me to do so? Regards, Steve On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 00:44, Jean Weber wrote: > Perhaps mention in passing in Chapter 1, or just ignore, in the 6.4 > books. I think there may be a sentence or two already in Ch1 of GS > and/or WG, but without checking, I'm not sure. If so, having a > similar, very brief, mention in Calc 6.4 would be consistent. > > For v7, we could consider a longer discussion in the Getting Started > Guide (perhaps in an Appendix?) and refer other guides to that one. > > Jean > > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 9:18 AM Stephen Fanning > wrote: > > > > All, > > > > It appears that some aspects of the notebook bar are now enabled in the > > default 6.4.3.2 build (i.e. they are not experimental). Examples are the > > user interface options of Tabbed, Tabbed Compact and Groupedbar Compact > in > > Calc. There are also various related user interface options available in > > Writer, Draw and Impress. > > > > Have we thought about / agreed how these options should be covered in the > > affected guides? > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: > documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Notebookbar
All, It appears that some aspects of the notebook bar are now enabled in the default 6.4.3.2 build (i.e. they are not experimental). Examples are the user interface options of Tabbed, Tabbed Compact and Groupedbar Compact in Calc. There are also various related user interface options available in Writer, Draw and Impress. Have we thought about / agreed how these options should be covered in the affected guides? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide - Chapters 7 and 8
Hi Leo, Thanks again for your comments on Chapters 7 (Using Formulas and Functions) and 8 (Using Pivot Tables). I have actioned them and returned the documents to the Draft folder ready for second review. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide Chapter 6
Hi Leo, Thanks for your helpful comments on Chapter 6 (Printing, Exporting, E‑mailing, and Signing). I have actioned them and returned the document to the Draft folder ready for second review. I have also updated the section entitled “Controlling printing” so that it now describes the layout of the Windows version of the Print dialog, with a statement that the layout of the dialog may be quite different on other installations. I believe this was the course of action recommended at the last Documentation Team meeting. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] 6.4 Calc Guide – Reviewers Needed!
All, The 6.4 Calc Guide is progressing well, with 13 of the 17 chapters now updated and available for review. The other 4 will be ready soon. Leo Moons has kindly performed the first review of 5 chapters, so they need a second review. The other 8 completed chapters haven’t been reviewed yet. If you have any time available, please consider reviewing one or more of these chapters so that we can get the document completed as soon as is possible. Many thanks in advance for any help that you can offer. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Meeting Minutes, May 7th, 2020
Thanks Olivier. Please could somebody remind which of the available icon styles should be selected for taking screenshots to go in the guides? (The Contributors’ Guide on the wiki currently says "Tango" but I can't recall whether that advice has been superseded.) Regards, Steve On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 20:43, Olivier Hallot wrote: > Thursday May 7th 2020, 18:00 UTC > > Presents: Leo Moons, Dan Lewis, Steve Fanning, Professor Carlisle, > Marcia Wilbur, Olivier Hallot > > IRC chanel: > https://irc.documentfoundation.org/?settings=#libreoffice-doc > > Telegram Group > https://t.me/joinchat/ALeRuUFCxyZY0wzoddldWQ > > TDF Jitsi Room > https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam > > Topics and Discussion: > > * The road ahead: Guides Version 7. (Olivier) >+ shall we design/update the set of chapter styles? > + warning, tips and notes (Leo) > + Colors for Headings? (olivier) >+ Branding for 7.0 > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#LibreOffice_7.0_series > > AI: Submit proposal (olivier) > > * Can images have a frame around (Marcia) >+ A (border-less) frame is added automatically when a image get a > caption (Olivier) >+ image and caption are wrapped in this frame. >+ We can add a border to the frame, need consensus. > > * Space between the caption and the image (Marcia) > + Caption should be concise to avoid breaking the line, left aligned > + Gap between image and caption should increase (Marcia) > + This can be adjusted in caption paragraph style -'space > above' (Olivier, Dan) > > * Screenshots rules for Guides > + Keep the screen size, no enlarging.(Leo) > + Use a good screen resolution to take a readable screenshot. > + PDF has its own way to resize the image to 300dpi for printing > + To take screenshots directly in LibreOffice: > + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Screenshots > + Screenshots carry OS "look and feel" but not the dialog window. > > * Screenshots of I/O dialogs > + I/O dialogs may vary depending on OS and printer manufacturer > + Use Windows for I/O screenshots: Print, Save, Open files. > > Next meeting : *THURSDAY* May 21st 2020 at 18:00 UTC. > -- > Olivier Hallot > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > Comunidade LibreOffice > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > http://tdf.io/joinus > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 Entering, Editing, and Formatting Data
I'm sorry if I have given the wrong impression but you should not assume that we are discussing a bug or a regression in this instance. Regards, Steve On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 14:22, Pulkit Krishna wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:47 PM Stephen Fanning > > wrote: > > > Do any of the other guides contain descriptions of how a feature used to > > work simply to highlight that it’s different now? For now, I’ve omitted > the > > note; if you feel strongly about it then feel free to ask others via the > > mailing list for alternative opinions. > > > > Thanks again for your comments. > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > Hello Steve, > I have done similar thing in base guide in many places. Base has many > regressions and it is impossible to maintain the things which do not work > in a particular version and remove them from that version of guide. It also > happens that most bugs are fixed in minor releases. So most of the time, I > have written as if the bug is not there and included a note to state the > versions in which I found that very concept to not work. But Calc, is much > stable than Base so you may wish to follow another practice. > > Pulkit Krishna > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 4 and 5 of Calc Guide 6.4
Hi Leo, Thanks for the comments on chapters 4 and 5. I have addressed these (apart from notes below), removed the tracked changes, and put the latest versions in the Draft folder ready for 2nd review. Exceptions are: 1. In Chapter 4 (Styles and Templates), at step 2 just after Figure 19. You wondered why the text “Template > Spreadsheet” had been deleted. If you right-click on a default template in the Templates dialog, then the context menu contains a menu option that is simply “Reset Default” – hence the text deletion. 2. In Chapter 5 (Using Graphics), at step 2 in section entitled “Inserting an image from the clipboard” at the top of page 7. You asked, “As the paragraph refers to copy an image from a LO document, isn’t it the same operation for all modules?” I have not implemented any change because the introductory paragraph above step 1 reads “Using the clipboard, you can copy images into a Calc spreadsheet from another LibreOffice document and from other programs”. The reference to “other programs” means that this step should not try do define the detailed step(s) for copying an image into the clipboard. The “other program” could be anything! 3. In Chapter 5 (Using Graphics), at step 2 after Figure 8. The document states that when you choose a tool on the Drawing toolbar, the Formatting toolbar is replaced by the Drawing Object Properties toolbar. You suggested adding the text “becoming a floating toolbar”. I suspect that this addition is only true if the Drawing Object Properties toolbar was floating last time it was displayed – when I did the actions specified the toolbar was docked. I therefore propose not to add the additional words. I hope these exceptions are okay. If not, get back to me. Regards, Steve On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 21:29, Leo Moons wrote: > Dear all, > > I have reviewed chapters 4 and 5 of the Calc Guide 6.4. You will find > them in the feedback map. > > > Best regards > > Leo > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 Entering, Editing, and Formatting Data
Hi Leo, Thanks for the comments on chapter 2. I have processed them, accepted most of the changes, and returned the file to the Draft folder ready for its second review. For the record: 1. With respect to your comment about the white space after Figure 3. I agree that this needs to be reduced but feel that reducing the size of the figure isn’t necessarily the best way to do it. And now isn’t necessarily the best time to implement any fix, while the chapter is still potentially changing. So, I propose to address issues like this throughout the book, once all chapter updates are finished. 2. With regards to giving some more information how to customize the formatting of numbers, the Help system includes much information about this – see the page entitled “Number Format Codes” at https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/en-US/text/shared/01/05020301.html?DbPAR=SHARED#bm_id3153514. I don’t feel we need to replicate this information in the Calc Guide but have added a sentence in the section entitled “Formatting numbers” to draw the reader’s attention to the extensive help description. 3. Regarding my proposed removal of the note from the “Numbers as text” section, I am struggling with the logic of including a note that is incorrect with respect to how 6.4 works. Do any of the other guides contain descriptions of how a feature used to work simply to highlight that it’s different now? For now, I’ve omitted the note; if you feel strongly about it then feel free to ask others via the mailing list for alternative opinions. Thanks again for your comments. Regards, Steve On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 21:36, Leo Moons wrote: > Hej, > > I have reviewed and added some comments to this chapter. > > Best regards > > Leo > > > > Op 30/04/2020 om 13:18 schreef Leo Moons: > > Hej all, > > > > I will start reviewing chapter 2 of the Calc Guide, Entering, Editing > > and Formatting Data > > > > Best regards > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] CG6401 Introducing Calc
Thanks Leo. I have accepted the changes in the Preface and Chapter 1, and both are back in the Draft folder ready for a second reveiwer. With regards to your comment on Chapter 1, page 15 (about changing the direction of focus movement for the Enter key), I agree that more needed to be said as per your comment. However I changed the wording you proposed - please let me know if you aren't happy with what is now written. Regards, Steve Regards, Steve On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 21:28, Leo Moons wrote: > Hej all, > > Reviewed and placed in feedback folder. > > Regards > > Leo > > > > Op 25/04/2020 om 20:58 schreef Leo Moons: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I will start reviewing Chapter 1 of the Calc Guide. > > > > Best regards > > > > Leo > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] CG6400 Preface
Many thanks Leo. When returning comments, I think we normally put the updated file in the Feedback folder. On this occasion don't worry, I've moved the Preface and updated the spreadsheet accordingly. Worth bearing in mind in future though. Regards, Steve On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 19:57, Leo Moons wrote: > Dear all, > > I have reviewed the chapter 0, Preface of the Calc guide, you can find > it in the Draft folder. > > Best regards > > Leo > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide - Appendix C Calc Error Codes
Can anybody recall why we omitted this appendix from the 6.2 PDF version of the Calc Guide? Was there a technical reason, or was it a simple oversight in the master document? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] 6.4 Calc Guide
All, As discussed and agreed at yesterday’s Documentation Team meeting, I am planning to create an updated version of the Calc Guide for 6.4. I have created a suitable folder in NextCloud and put a status tracking spreadsheet there. Being in strict lockdown at the moment, I have time on my hands and propose to implement the changes required myself. This approach will obviously help avoid distracting others from their current tasks. However, as I update each chapter and upload it to NextCloud, I hope that other team members will be willing, and have time, to review the updates. To get us started, the first draft of the updated Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) is available for review. This has been significantly changed since 6.2, including many more of the available shortcuts and explicitly specifying the key combinations for all operating systems (including macOS). The scope of the update means that changes from the previous issue are not tracked in the document. I expect that individuals may feel that they can only check the shortcuts for one of the operating systems – this is absolutely fine but please make a note in the tracking spreadsheet to indicate which OS you’ve used so that we can ensure full coverage before issue. Many thanks in advance for all help that you can offer. Regards, Steve Fanning -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide files
Hi Olivier, I am aware that you have been doing some experimentation with the 6.2 Calc Guide files to investigate problems with the generated PDF. Have you made any significant changes to any files on your computer that need to be put back into NextCloud? Or shall I start work on a 6.4 version using the files in the */LibreOffice Documentation/English/Calc Guide/6.2/Published* folder in NextCloud? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-documentation] Multi-threading in Calc
Mike and Luboš, Many thanks for your help on this topic. Regards, Steve On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 at 11:16, Mike Kaganski wrote: > On 23.04.2020 13:12, Luboš Luňák wrote: > > On Thursday 23 of April 2020, Stephen Fanning wrote: > >> As for the processing itself, I remain unclear about how Calc allocates > >> tasks to threads. Can we give the user any general advice on how he > could > >> structure his spreadsheet to gain the maximum performance benefits from > the > >> availability of multiple cores? Or maybe there are ways to organise a > >> spreadsheet that will frustrate Calc's attempts to multi-thread, which > we > >> ought to advise against? > > > > Technically threads are generally used only for formula groups, which > are a > > sufficient number of adjacent cells in a column that use the same > formula > > (and get different results because of relative cell addressing). In UI > terms, > > write e.g. "=A1*2" to B1, grab the bottom-right corner of the cell and > extend > > down. But it's implementated this way because that's usually how large > > spreadsheets are created. So I think it's a needless complication to be > > specific about this. > > > > IMO it's still useful to mention that the optimization is column-based. > Because many people don't realize that row-based layout is potentially > less efficient. This would be beneficial to those who don't create > spreadsheets according to how it's "usually" done. > > -- > Best regards, > Mike Kaganski > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-documentation] Multi-threading in Calc
Hi Luboš, Many thanks for your thoughts on the checkbox, which confirms what I expected. As for the processing itself, I remain unclear about how Calc allocates tasks to threads. Can we give the user any general advice on how he could structure his spreadsheet to gain the maximum performance benefits from the availability of multiple cores? Or maybe there are ways to organise a spreadsheet that will frustrate Calc's attempts to multi-thread, which we ought to advise against? Any further help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Steve On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 at 09:58, Luboš Luňák wrote: > On Wednesday 22 of April 2020, Olivier Hallot wrote: > > Hi Developers > > > > Can charitable soul involved with threading in Calc spend a couple of > > minutes to write an outline of what we should look to write a section on > > the topic in our guide and Help? Just the outline and some pointers for > > our investigation. > > > > We think this feature is a plus, but it is not clear if and how an end > > user will benefit. > > The "Enable multi-threaded calculation" checkbox is one of those settings > that aren't actually a preference, in an ideal world they should always be > enabled, and in fact shouldn't even exist as the thing should Just > Work(TM). > We have others like that, 'Allow use of OpenCL', 'Use OpenGL/Skia for all > rendering', etc. So AFAICT the purpose of those settings is to admit that > we > don't live in an ideal world and the setting allows people to disable the > feature in case it turns out it's buggy (which incidentally is relatively > more likely for all the settings I mentioned). > > So the way I see it the best thing the docs can say about it is something > along the lines of "this does roughly that, don't touch it unless you know > you want to touch it". > > ... > > One of the issues we chose to ignore in the 6.2 Calc Guide was > > multi-threading. The 6.2 Calc Guide contains the following mention of it, > > when describing the Tools > Options > LibreOffice Calc > Calculate page: > > > > CPU threading settings section > > Enable multi-threaded calculation controls the use of multi-threading / > > parallelism, which can be used to speed up LibreOffice Calc calculations > on > > computers with multiple processing cores. > > -- > Luboš Luňák > l.lu...@collabora.com > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Multi-threading in Calc
All, I am considering the changes necessary to upgrade the Calc Guide to 6.4. One of the issues we chose to ignore in the 6.2 Calc Guide was multi-threading. The 6.2 Calc Guide contains the following mention of it, when describing the Tools > Options > LibreOffice Calc > Calculate page: CPU threading settings section Enable multi-threaded calculation controls the use of multi-threading / parallelism, which can be used to speed up LibreOffice Calc calculations on computers with multiple processing cores. That’s it in the Calc Guide, and I couldn't readily find anything in the Help files. Is there a slightly more detailed explanation anywhere which might enlighten me further, so that I can in turn include a little more information for the user? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
All, I have (finally) finished my 2nd review of the draft Getting Started with Base chapter of the 6.4 Getting Started Guide. Many apologies for the time this took, but that was mainly due to the number of significant issues that were found in the document when I downloaded it after the 1st review had concluded. I am recommending that this chapter re-starts its review cycle and Dan Lewis has kindly agreed to do the 1st review of this update. The updated file is in the Drafts folder (with changes tracked). Regards, Steve Fanning On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 19:55, Stephen Fanning wrote: > Following discussion at this evening's Documentation Team meeting, I have > re-taken Chapter 8 (Base) for second review. > > It was agreed that in areas of functionality where the system doesn't > currently work as intended, I should review the draft against the last > known working build which, in this case, was said to be 6.3.5.2. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 18:25, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> As indicated in a separate thread, I've struggled to follow the >> instructions specified in chapter 8 to create a table using the Table >> Wizard. Bug 131576 has been raised. >> >> So for the moment I have abandoned my review and removed my name from the >> relevant entry in the Guide Status spreadsheet. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 19:31, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have taken Chapter 8 (Base) for second review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 15:37, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 13 (Macros) and returned >>>> it to the Feedback folder. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 20:06, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have completed the first review of chapter 11 and returned it to the >>>>> Feedback folder. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 20:10, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for >>>>>> first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) >>>>>>> and placed the updated document in the Feedback folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing >>>>>>> objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for many of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most >>>>>>> likely) or >>>>>>> could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not >>>>>>> impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material >>>>>>> give >>>>>>> the page a quick review? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve Fanning >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have completed th
[libreoffice-documentation] Keyboard shortcuts in the Calc Guide
All, I would be grateful for opinions please from some of the experienced members of the team. As you may be aware from previous emails I’ve sent to the list, I have some reservations about Appendix A to the Calc Guide entitled Keyboard Shortcuts. The can be summarized by two main points: (1) I think there are a significant number of omissions from the issued version. (2) I feel that this is one section of the Calc Guide that should be specific about macOS aspects because it is not always possible to predict the Mac equivalent of a Windows/Linux key sequence. I have therefore produced an embryonic update to this chapter and I would very much like feedback on what people think. Please do not embark on a full review because I haven’t finished the detail yet (I expect the list of shortcuts to be complete but I still have work to capture some of the macOS key sequences). However it would be worth getting some initial feedback on the approach – if it’s felt to be an inferior idea, then I wouldn’t want to spend time polishing it! I suppose the main question is whether the proposed approach would be helpful to users. I have uploaded a PDF copy to NextCloud, see https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/6Kgz5TmSog9iMD3. Let me know if you have any problems accessing the file. Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Issuing a book
Olivier, I seem to recall that you experienced one or two problems when you collated all of the individual chapters of the 6.2 Calc Guide to produce a master document. Please could you give me an overview of what is involved in this process and where the problem areas lie? I've used master documents and subdocuments in an older version of Word to manage some large technical documents but haven't done this in LO yet. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
Following discussion at this evening's Documentation Team meeting, I have re-taken Chapter 8 (Base) for second review. It was agreed that in areas of functionality where the system doesn't currently work as intended, I should review the draft against the last known working build which, in this case, was said to be 6.3.5.2. Regards, Steve On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 18:25, Stephen Fanning wrote: > As indicated in a separate thread, I've struggled to follow the > instructions specified in chapter 8 to create a table using the Table > Wizard. Bug 131576 has been raised. > > So for the moment I have abandoned my review and removed my name from the > relevant entry in the Guide Status spreadsheet. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 19:31, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have taken Chapter 8 (Base) for second review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 15:37, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 13 (Macros) and returned it >>> to the Feedback folder. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 20:06, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have completed the first review of chapter 11 and returned it to the >>>> Feedback folder. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 20:10, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for >>>>> first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) >>>>>> and placed the updated document in the Feedback folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing >>>>>> objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am very >>>>>> familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for many of >>>>>> the >>>>>> shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most likely) >>>>>> or >>>>>> could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not >>>>>> impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material >>>>>> give >>>>>> the page a quick review? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Fanning >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started >>>>>>>> with Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML >>>>>>>>> files) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first >>>>>>>>> review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stev
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
As indicated in a separate thread, I've struggled to follow the instructions specified in chapter 8 to create a table using the Table Wizard. Bug 131576 has been raised. So for the moment I have abandoned my review and removed my name from the relevant entry in the Guide Status spreadsheet. Regards, Steve On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 19:31, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have taken Chapter 8 (Base) for second review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 15:37, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have completed the first review of Chapter 13 (Macros) and returned it >> to the Feedback folder. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 20:06, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have completed the first review of chapter 11 and returned it to the >>> Feedback folder. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 20:10, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for >>>> first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) and >>>>> placed the updated document in the Feedback folder. >>>>> >>>>> I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing >>>>> objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am very >>>>> familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for many of the >>>>> shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most likely) >>>>> or >>>>> could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not >>>>> impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material give >>>>> the page a quick review? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Fanning >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started >>>>>>> with Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML >>>>>>>> files) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback >>>>>>>>>> folder. >>>
[libreoffice-documentation] Query on Base Table Creation Wizard
Please could one of our Base experts advise me? I am reviewing Chapter 8 of the draft 6.4 Getting Started Guide and am missing something. I have followed the text in the section entitled “Using the Wizard to create a table” and have selected the fields without incident (matching Figure 4). However when I press Next to go to page 2 of the Wizard (Set field types and formats), things go awry. I can only see the Field Name on the right hand side of this area – no sign of Field type, AutoValue, Auto-increment state, and Length. If it makes a difference, I am running on Windows 10 using LO 6.4.0.3. I’ve also tried on Ubuntu Linux and no difference. Any help gratefully received, and aplogies in advance if I'm being stupid! Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have taken Chapter 8 (Base) for second review. Regards, Steve On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 15:37, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have completed the first review of Chapter 13 (Macros) and returned it > to the Feedback folder. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 20:06, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have completed the first review of chapter 11 and returned it to the >> Feedback folder. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 20:10, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for first >>> review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) and >>>> placed the updated document in the Feedback folder. >>>> >>>> I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing >>>> objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am very >>>> familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for many of the >>>> shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most likely) or >>>> could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not >>>> impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material give >>>> the page a quick review? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Fanning >>>> >>>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started with >>>>>> Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML >>>>>>> files) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the >>>>>>>>>> Feedback folder. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16,
[libreoffice-documentation] OpenGrok not available?
Is it just me or is opengrok.libreoffice.org broken at the moment? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have completed the first review of Chapter 13 (Macros) and returned it to the Feedback folder. Regards, Steve On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 20:06, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have completed the first review of chapter 11 and returned it to the > Feedback folder. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 20:10, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for first >> review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) and >>> placed the updated document in the Feedback folder. >>> >>> I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing >>> objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am very >>> familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for many of the >>> shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most likely) or >>> could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not >>> impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material give >>> the page a quick review? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve Fanning >>> >>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started with >>>>> Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) >>>>>> and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the >>>>>>>>> Feedback folder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) >>>>>>>>>> for first review. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Function Parameters
I've copied this email exchange to the mailing list in case others are interested. I will raise a bug to address the problem of the Function Wizard allowing users to enter too many parameters. Regards, Steve On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 12:37, Olivier Hallot wrote: > Steve > > You are an Hero. It may make sense to have 255 params instead of 256, as > 256 is the boundary of a byte. > > Here is my chat with Eike Rahtke (erAck) > > 08:42:46 - ohallot: erAck: hi... With Steve Fanning I am reviewing the > number of params in several Calc functions for Help review. The limit > used to be 30 (e.g. in SUM()) but now it has been raised to ~ 256. Can > you tell me is the top limit is 255 or 256? Where is this number > defined? Is it one limit for all or a limit for each function? > (...) > 08:44:28 - ohallot: for =SUM () the wizzard says N1.. N255, but for > IMPRODUCT, the wizzard says n1 ... N256. However if you have 256 args in > IMPRODUCT, you get an error. > (...) > 09:27:43 - erAck: ohallot: limit is 255 for all functions that take > multiple sequences > 09:28:57 - erAck: ohallot: that already previously was the case, just > the wizard didn't handle it > > > > So I have actually to update my last patch to set it right. > > Kind regards > Olivier > > Note... we should move this thread to the doc list... other may be > interested in the subject. > > > Em 19/03/2020 08:09, Stephen Fanning escreveu: > > Hi Olivier, > > > > Many thanks again for the help yesterday. > > > > It appears that we will have to be very thorough in getting the help > > information correct. Take the IMPRODUCT function for example: > > (1) The Function Wizard provides for the input of 256 complex numbers. > > (2) If you fill up these fields the function gives an error 512 (formula > > overflow). > > (3) If you clear the 256th field, the function gives an answer rather > > than an error. > > See the attached spreadsheet for worked example. > > > > So we might conclude that in this case the Function Wizard UI is > > incorrect and should only provide for input of 255 parameters. > > > > I wondered if you had a chance to find the code that controlled Calc's > > handling of parameters, which might make it easier for me to spot this > > kind of issue? If not, shall I try and open up a conversation with Eike > > Rathke on the subject? > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > -- > Olivier Hallot > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > Comunidade LibreOffice > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > http://tdf.io/joinus > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have completed the first review of chapter 11 and returned it to the Feedback folder. Regards, Steve On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 20:10, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for first > review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) and >> placed the updated document in the Feedback folder. >> >> I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing >> objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am very >> familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for many of the >> shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most likely) or >> could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not >> impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material give >> the page a quick review? >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Fanning >> >> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started with >>>> Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) >>>>> and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>>> >>>>> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the >>>>>>>> Feedback folder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for >>>>>>>>> first review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>> >&g
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for first review. Regards, Steve On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) and > placed the updated document in the Feedback folder. > > I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing > objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am very > familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for many of the > shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most likely) or > could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not > impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material give > the page a quick review? > > Regards, > > Steve Fanning > > On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started with >>> Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) >>>> and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>>> >>>> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the >>>>>>> Feedback folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for >>>>>>>> first review. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and >>>>>>>>>> returned the updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence >>>>>>>>>> of any >>>>>>>>>> advice to the contrary, I have included more i
[libreoffice-documentation] Bug 129171 - currently assigned to Olivier Hallot
Hi Olivier,
Please could you advise of your current thinking with regards to Bug 129171
("No entries in Help system for Calc functions FLOOR.XCL, FLOOR.MATH and
NETWORKDAYS_EXCEL2003").
I am particularly concerned that the help files contain details of the
CEILING.XCL and CEILING.MATH functions but do not provide corresponding
information for the FLOOR.XCL and FLOOR.MATH functions.
Also, for all three functions covered by this bug, are we happy that the
help files do not describe the syntax of a call, even though all are
individually selectable through the Function Wizard?
Regards,
Steve
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[libreoffice-documentation] LO Help files - potential improvements
Hi Olivier, As you are aware I am doing some work collating information about Calc's functions. For each function, I have been comparing the syntax specified in the Function Wizard against the syntax specified in the Help files. This process has left me with some queries / suggestions about potential improvements to the Help files. Please could you have a look at the file called "Calc Functions - some suggested improvements to Help files (batch 1).odt" that I have left in the ".../Calc Guide/Related materials" folder in Nextcloud which lists the issues that I have noticed regarding functions in the Mathematical category. I would like to get your thoughts about the points I have raised before I continue this process further. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Possible improvement to Calc Guide
I would like to hear the opinions of members of the Documentation Team on a potential improvement to the Calc Guide. As you probably know, Calc provides a library of over 500 functions. The 6.2 Calc Guide includes an Appendix B entitled Description of Functions which occupies over 70 pages (not an enjoyable read!). Calc's Function Wizard provides the user with facilities that help insert a function call into a cell, providing text explanations that indicate the purpose of the function and giving high level details about the function's parameters. In addition, the Help pages provide further relevant details of each function, including examples. Behind the scenes we are also developing a wiki area to provide yet more detail on the Calc functions, aimed at covering any technical details that are beyond the scope of the Help pages (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions). Having been responsible for the major update to Appendix B in the 6.2 Calc Guide, I am unsure of the role of the information in that appendix. At the moment it is not entirely consistent with the text in the Function Wizard, nor is entirely consistent with the text in the Help pages. There is therefore scope for conflict and / or confusion between these various sources. I would like to propose that the appendix in the Calc Guide be updated so that it provides exactly the same information as is on the Function Wizard - no more information, no less information and no "improved" text. This would have two main advantages: (1) The English text on the Function Wizard is readily available as preset strings in the code, embedded in various .hrc files. This means that the new appendix would be easily created (I've done it and placed a draft copy in Nextcloud; see file CG6418-CalcFunctions-SF-13Mar2020.odt in the English/Calc Guide/Related materials/ folder) and, importantly, can be easily checked by a reviewer who has no specialist knowledge. (2) Browsing functions in the Function Wizard requires many mouse clicks - having a set of straightforward tables containing the same information in the Calc Guide may be useful to some users, helping them to discover functions that they were not previously aware of. I would be interested in your thoughts. Regards, Steve Fanning -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) and placed the updated document in the Feedback folder. I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am very familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for many of the shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most likely) or could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material give the page a quick review? Regards, Steve Fanning On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started with >> Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) >>> and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >>> >>> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the Feedback >>>>>> folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for >>>>>>> first review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and >>>>>>>>> returned the updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence >>>>>>>>> of any >>>>>>>>> advice to the contrary, I have included more information on printing >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> Math. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Use of the Escape key
Thanks to Cor and Dave. I've removed the relevant line from the draft chapter. Regards, Steve On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 13:05, Dave Barton wrote: > On 08/03/2020 12:38, Cor Nouws wrote: > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Stephen Fanning wrote on 08/03/2020 00:33: > >> I am reviewing Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) of the Getting Started > Guide > >> v6.4 and have a question which somebody may be able to answer for me. > >> > >> In a section entitled “Getting help”, the following description is > given of > >> the Escape key’s function in the context of help information: “In > >> LibreOffice Help: goes up one level. For Help online, the key is > handled by > >> the browser”. > > > > The old local installed 'built-in' Help, opens separate dialogs. > > Usually, ESC closes a dialog, triggering Cancel. For the built-in Help, > > that is not relevant. So ESC does not close the dialog. Neither does it > > go up one level (assuming that is meant back to a previous visited page, > > or up to chapter level from paragraph). > > > >> Is the first part of this text a throwback to an old method of providing > >> help? If so, is it correct to say that this key is now handled by the > >> browser irrespective of whether the help is local or online? > > > > Unless someone else comes up with a description that makes sense and > > adds something to the user experience (I can't remember using ESC in the > > browser), I would suggest to leave that part out. > > > > Cor > > I would agree with Cor. The "Help" facility, both on-line and local is a > set of HTML files viewed in a web browser and the web browser's > navigation controls are used. > So +1 to drop the "Esc" key from the "Getting Help" shortcut keys. > > Dave > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Use of the Escape key
I am reviewing Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) of the Getting Started Guide v6.4 and have a question which somebody may be able to answer for me. In a section entitled “Getting help”, the following description is given of the Escape key’s function in the context of help information: “In LibreOffice Help: goes up one level. For Help online, the key is handled by the browser”. Is the first part of this text a throwback to an old method of providing help? If so, is it correct to say that this key is now handled by the browser irrespective of whether the help is local or online? Regards, Steve Fanning -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review. Regards, Steve On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started with > Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) and >> returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. >> >> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the Feedback >>>>> folder. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for >>>>>> first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned >>>>>>>> the updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any >>>>>>>> advice to >>>>>>>> the contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my >>>>>>>>> tracked edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> queries in the form of embedded comments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steve
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Resume documentation team call?
Unfortunately I cannot attend this week at the suggested time. Regards, Steve Fanning On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 21:06, Olivier Hallot wrote: > Hi Documentation Team (Guides, Help contents) ! > > Shall we resume our documetnation call? Is affirmative I suggest that > our documentation team meeting will take place this Thrursday 3/5/2020 > at 18:00 UTC > > We will use the following jitsi meeting room > > https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam > > The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need > of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or Iphone. > > The documentation pad for the meeting minute is > > http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation > > Main topics: > > Please fill the topics you want to discuss in the pad. > > See you there! > -- > Olivier Hallot > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > Comunidade LibreOffice > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > http://tdf.io/joinus > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have completed the first review of Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. Regards, Steve On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) and > returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. > > I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the Feedback >>>> folder. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >>>>> >>>>> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for >>>>> first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned >>>>>>> the updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any >>>>>>> advice to >>>>>>> the contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my >>>>>>>> tracked edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of >>>>>>>> queries in the form of embedded comments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steve, >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone >>>>>>>>>> who is >>>>>>>>>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> well as topics overlooked. >>>>>>>>>&g
[libreoffice-documentation] Saving formulas in MathML
In Math you can save a formula either in .odf or .mml formats. Can anybody say at which Math build the .mml option changed from MathML 1.01 to MathML 2.0? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review. Regards, Steve On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the Feedback >>> folder. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >>>> >>>> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for >>>> first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >>>>> >>>>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned >>>>>> the updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any advice >>>>>> to >>>>>> the contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my >>>>>>> tracked edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of >>>>>>> queries in the form of embedded comments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve, >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> well as topics overlooked. >>>>>>>>> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I >>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>> to look up a few things. >>>>>>>>> Jean >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Steve, >>>>>>>>> > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. >>>>>>>>> > Jean >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen F
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review. Regards, Steve On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the Feedback >> folder. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >>> >>> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for first >>> review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >>>> >>>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned >>>>> the updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any advice >>>>> to >>>>> the contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. >>>>> >>>>> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my >>>>>> tracked edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of >>>>>> queries in the form of embedded comments. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve, >>>>>>>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" as >>>>>>>> well as topics overlooked. >>>>>>>> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I need >>>>>>>> to look up a few things. >>>>>>>> Jean >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Steve, >>>>>>>> > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. >>>>>>>> > Jean >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the >>>>>>>> file to the >>>>>>>> >> Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded >>>>>>>> comments. I have >>>>>>>> >> checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows >>>>>>>> installations. I >>>>>>>> >> hope the changes and queries are helpful. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and >>>>>>>> comments b
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Keyboard Shortcuts
All, I have collated a set of shortcuts found in Calc (across Windows, Linux and Mac OS) and produced a report which can be found in the *LibreOffice%20Documentation > English > Calc%20Guide > Related%20materials* folder within NextCloud - file name *Review of Calc Shortcuts (Issue 1)_27Feb2020_SF.odt*. This document lists all the shortcuts that are identified on the buttons in the Menu bar and all the shortcuts that are listed in the Tools > Customize > Keyboard dialog. In the case of Windows and Linux, I have exercised the majority of the shortcuts and verified their functions. I have however struggled verifying the functionality of some of the shortcuts with a Mac (its hard doing so using a virtual Mac without a suitable keyboard). If anybody has some time on their hands and a Mac to run the system on, then perhaps they could help? I will further update the document when I have time to incorporate any other shortcuts that I can discover from the help files or other sources. Regards, Steve On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 18:09, Stephen Fanning wrote: > All, > > Following up on this email from a few weeks ago, I have started collating > a more comprehensive list of the implemented shortcuts across operating > systems so that we can raise bugs on the Help (if required), update books, > etc. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 09:35, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> All, >> >> As I mentioned in a previous email, I have done some work to collate a >> list of known Calc keyboard shortcuts, detailing the discrepancies between >> the software and the Help files. This is in the form of a reasonably large >> Writer file containing tables, which can be found in NextCloud (.../Calc >> Guide/Related materials/Calc Keyboard Shortcuts (windows only) v2.odt). As >> the file's title suggests, I have only considered the Windows shortcuts so >> far, ignoring Linux and macOS. >> >> This work seems to indicate signficant mis-matches between what the >> system provides and what is documented in the Help files. >> >> I am happy to do the work necessary to identify the changes necessary to >> align the relevant Help files and Calc Guide chapter with the implemented >> shortcuts (in Windows, Linux and macOS). >> >> Does anybody have any relevant thoughts before I embark on this task? >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Fanning >> >> >> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder. Regards, Steve On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the Feedback > folder. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. >> >> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for first >> review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >>> >>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned the >>>> updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any advice to the >>>> contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. >>>> >>>> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my >>>>> tracked edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of >>>>> queries in the form of embedded comments. >>>>> >>>>> I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve, >>>>>>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who is >>>>>>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" as >>>>>>> well as topics overlooked. >>>>>>> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I need >>>>>>> to look up a few things. >>>>>>> Jean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Steve, >>>>>>> > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. >>>>>>> > Jean >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen Fanning < >>>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the >>>>>>> file to the >>>>>>> >> Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded comments. >>>>>>> I have >>>>>>> >> checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows >>>>>>> installations. I >>>>>>> >> hope the changes and queries are helpful. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and >>>>>>> comments before >>>>>>> >> anybody else takes the chapter for a second review (and have >>>>>>> added a >>>>>>> >> comment accordingly to the tracking spreadsheet). >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I intend to do a final check tomorrow against a macOS >>>>>>> installation for >>>>>>> >> completeness. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Regards, >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Steve >>>>>>> >> &
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Keyboard Shortcuts
All, Following up on this email from a few weeks ago, I have started collating a more comprehensive list of the implemented shortcuts across operating systems so that we can raise bugs on the Help (if required), update books, etc. Regards, Steve On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 09:35, Stephen Fanning wrote: > All, > > As I mentioned in a previous email, I have done some work to collate a > list of known Calc keyboard shortcuts, detailing the discrepancies between > the software and the Help files. This is in the form of a reasonably large > Writer file containing tables, which can be found in NextCloud (.../Calc > Guide/Related materials/Calc Keyboard Shortcuts (windows only) v2.odt). As > the file's title suggests, I have only considered the Windows shortcuts so > far, ignoring Linux and macOS. > > This work seems to indicate signficant mis-matches between what the system > provides and what is documented in the Help files. > > I am happy to do the work necessary to identify the changes necessary to > align the relevant Help files and Calc Guide chapter with the implemented > shortcuts (in Windows, Linux and macOS). > > Does anybody have any relevant thoughts before I embark on this task? > > Regards, > > Steve Fanning > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the Feedback folder. Regards, Steve On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. > > I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for first > review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. >> >> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned the >>> updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any advice to the >>> contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. >>> >>> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my >>>> tracked edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of >>>> queries in the form of embedded comments. >>>> >>>> I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >>>>> >>>>> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Steve, >>>>>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who is >>>>>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" as >>>>>> well as topics overlooked. >>>>>> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I need >>>>>> to look up a few things. >>>>>> Jean >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Steve, >>>>>> > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. >>>>>> > Jean >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the file >>>>>> to the >>>>>> >> Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded comments. >>>>>> I have >>>>>> >> checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows >>>>>> installations. I >>>>>> >> hope the changes and queries are helpful. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and >>>>>> comments before >>>>>> >> anybody else takes the chapter for a second review (and have added >>>>>> a >>>>>> >> comment accordingly to the tracking spreadsheet). >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I intend to do a final check tomorrow against a macOS installation >>>>>> for >>>>>> >> completeness. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Regards, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Steve >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:30, Stephen Fanning < >>>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> > I have taken Chapter 2 for first review. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Regards, >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Steve Fanning >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >> I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to >>>>>> 6.4. I have >>>>>> >> >> completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in >>>>>> the Drafts >>>>>> >> >> folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using >>>>>> Drafts, >>>>>> >> >> Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books >>>>>> and leave me >>>>>> >> >> to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. >>>>>> I’m aiming >>>>>> >> >> to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early >>>>>> February, >>>>>> >> >> around the same time that 6.4 is released. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Jean >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>>>>> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>>>>> Problems? >>>>>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>> List archive: >>>>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>>>>> >>>>> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder. I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for first review. Regards, Steve On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. > > I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> >> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned the >> updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any advice to the >> contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. >> >> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my tracked >>> edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of queries in >>> the form of embedded comments. >>> >>> I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >>>> >>>> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> Steve, >>>>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who is >>>>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" as >>>>> well as topics overlooked. >>>>> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I need >>>>> to look up a few things. >>>>> Jean >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Steve, >>>>> > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. >>>>> > Jean >>>>> > >>>>> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the file >>>>> to the >>>>> >> Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded comments. I >>>>> have >>>>> >> checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows >>>>> installations. I >>>>> >> hope the changes and queries are helpful. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and >>>>> comments before >>>>> >> anybody else takes the chapter for a second review (and have added a >>>>> >> comment accordingly to the tracking spreadsheet). >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I intend to do a final check tomorrow against a macOS installation >>>>> for >>>>> >> completeness. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Regards, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Steve >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:30, Stephen Fanning < >>>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > I have taken Chapter 2 for first review. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Regards, >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Steve Fanning >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to >>>>> 6.4. I have >>>>> >> >> completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the >>>>> Drafts >>>>> >> >> folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using >>>>> Drafts, >>>>> >> >> Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books >>>>> and leave me >>>>> >> >> to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. >>>>> I’m aiming >>>>> >> >> to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early >>>>> February, >>>>> >> >> around the same time that 6.4 is released. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Jean >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>>>> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>>>> Problems? >>>>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>> List archive: >>>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>>>> >>>> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide v6.4
Thanks Jean, My preference would be to wait until the chapters have been reviewed but other views welcome. Regards, Steve On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 07:46, Jean Weber wrote: > I've updated all the chapters of the Getting Started Guide to LO v6.4. > I've also done the front and back covers and the master document. > Everything is in the Drafts folder, except for the chapters that have > been reviewed and are in either Feedback or Published. > > We could either publish a first iteration of the book as it is and > then update it when the chapters have been reviewed, or wait until the > reviews have occurred. > > I'm taking a break now to do something else. > > Cheers, Jean > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder. I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review. Regards, Steve On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning wrote: > > I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned the > updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any advice to the > contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. > > I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my tracked >> edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of queries in >> the form of embedded comments. >> >> I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >>> >>> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber wrote: >>> >>>> Steve, >>>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who is >>>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" as >>>> well as topics overlooked. >>>> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I need >>>> to look up a few things. >>>> Jean >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Steve, >>>> > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. >>>> > Jean >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the file >>>> to the >>>> >> Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded comments. I >>>> have >>>> >> checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows >>>> installations. I >>>> >> hope the changes and queries are helpful. >>>> >> >>>> >> I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and comments >>>> before >>>> >> anybody else takes the chapter for a second review (and have added a >>>> >> comment accordingly to the tracking spreadsheet). >>>> >> >>>> >> I intend to do a final check tomorrow against a macOS installation >>>> for >>>> >> completeness. >>>> >> >>>> >> Regards, >>>> >> >>>> >> Steve >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:30, Stephen Fanning < >>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > I have taken Chapter 2 for first review. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Regards, >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Steve Fanning >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber >>>> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to >>>> 6.4. I have >>>> >> >> completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the >>>> Drafts >>>> >> >> folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using >>>> Drafts, >>>> >> >> Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and >>>> leave me >>>> >> >> to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. >>>> I’m aiming >>>> >> >> to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early >>>> February, >>>> >> >> around the same time that 6.4 is released. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Jean >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>>> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>>> Problems? >>>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: >>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>>> >>> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide, Chapter 4 (Writer)
Jean, I'm doing the first review of this chapter. In the context of writing for our target audience, I was surprised that within a first introduction to the Writer Sidebar, we are describing features that are only available by selecting "Enable experimental features (may be unstable)" in Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Advanced. Would it be less confusing or worrying for a novice user if we removed these references from this chapter of GS? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and returned the updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence of any advice to the contrary, I have included more information on printing in Math. I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review. Regards, Steve On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my tracked > edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of queries in > the form of embedded comments. > > I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> Thank you for your kind words Jean. >> >> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who is >>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" as >>> well as topics overlooked. >>> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I need >>> to look up a few things. >>> Jean >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber wrote: >>> > >>> > Steve, >>> > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. >>> > Jean >>> > >>> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the file to >>> the >>> >> Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded comments. I >>> have >>> >> checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows >>> installations. I >>> >> hope the changes and queries are helpful. >>> >> >>> >> I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and comments >>> before >>> >> anybody else takes the chapter for a second review (and have added a >>> >> comment accordingly to the tracking spreadsheet). >>> >> >>> >> I intend to do a final check tomorrow against a macOS installation for >>> >> completeness. >>> >> >>> >> Regards, >>> >> >>> >> Steve >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:30, Stephen Fanning < >>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > I have taken Chapter 2 for first review. >>> >> > >>> >> > Regards, >>> >> > >>> >> > Steve Fanning >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber >>> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to >>> 6.4. I have >>> >> >> completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the >>> Drafts >>> >> >> folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using >>> Drafts, >>> >> >> Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and >>> leave me >>> >> >> to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. >>> I’m aiming >>> >> >> to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early >>> February, >>> >> >> around the same time that 6.4 is released. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Jean >>> >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: >>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>> >> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that my tracked edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small number of queries in the form of embedded comments. I have taken Chapter 10 for first review. Regards, Steve On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning wrote: > Thank you for your kind words Jean. > > I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber wrote: > >> Steve, >> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who is >> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" as >> well as topics overlooked. >> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I need >> to look up a few things. >> Jean >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber wrote: >> > >> > Steve, >> > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. >> > Jean >> > >> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen Fanning < >> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the file to >> the >> >> Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded comments. I >> have >> >> checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows >> installations. I >> >> hope the changes and queries are helpful. >> >> >> >> I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and comments >> before >> >> anybody else takes the chapter for a second review (and have added a >> >> comment accordingly to the tracking spreadsheet). >> >> >> >> I intend to do a final check tomorrow against a macOS installation for >> >> completeness. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:30, Stephen Fanning < >> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I have taken Chapter 2 for first review. >> >> > >> >> > Regards, >> >> > >> >> > Steve Fanning >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to 6.4. >> I have >> >> >> completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the >> Drafts >> >> >> folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using >> Drafts, >> >> >> Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. >> >> >> >> >> >> I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and >> leave me >> >> >> to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. I’m >> aiming >> >> >> to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early >> February, >> >> >> around the same time that 6.4 is released. >> >> >> >> >> >> Jean >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
Thank you for your kind words Jean. I have taken Chapter 3 for first review. Regards, Steve On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber wrote: > Steve, > Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with someone who is > so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that image" as > well as topics overlooked. > I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes. I need > to look up a few things. > Jean > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber wrote: > > > > Steve, > > Thank you. I’ll should have time to go through it today. > > Jean > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 06:39 Stephen Fanning > wrote: > >> > >> I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the file to > the > >> Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded comments. I have > >> checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows installations. > I > >> hope the changes and queries are helpful. > >> > >> I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and comments > before > >> anybody else takes the chapter for a second review (and have added a > >> comment accordingly to the tracking spreadsheet). > >> > >> I intend to do a final check tomorrow against a macOS installation for > >> completeness. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:30, Stephen Fanning < > stevemfanning...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I have taken Chapter 2 for first review. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > Steve Fanning > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber wrote: > >> > > >> >> I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to 6.4. > I have > >> >> completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the > Drafts > >> >> folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using Drafts, > >> >> Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. > >> >> > >> >> I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and > leave me > >> >> to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. I’m > aiming > >> >> to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early > February, > >> >> around the same time that 6.4 is released. > >> >> > >> >> Jean > >> >> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have completed a first review of chapter 2 and returned the file to the Feedback folder, including tracked changes and embedded comments. I have checked it against 6.4 builds for both Linux and Windows installations. I hope the changes and queries are helpful. I recommend that Jean has a chance to review my changes and comments before anybody else takes the chapter for a second review (and have added a comment accordingly to the tracking spreadsheet). I intend to do a final check tomorrow against a macOS installation for completeness. Regards, Steve On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:30, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have taken Chapter 2 for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve Fanning > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber wrote: > >> I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to 6.4. I have >> completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the Drafts >> folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using Drafts, >> Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. >> >> I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and leave me >> to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. I’m aiming >> to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early February, >> around the same time that 6.4 is released. >> >> Jean >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Fwd: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
Kees & Jean,
Just for the record I have rejected one of my own review comments in the
version in Published. On page 6, I had errioneously changed a button legend
from the correct US nomenclature ("Use LibreOffice dialogs") to the
inappropriate UK nomenclature.
Apologies for any confusion.
Regards,
Steve
On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 10:04, wrote:
> I did the second review of the Preface and placed it into the Published
> folder.
> I assume this is the right folder for a completed chapter.
>
> Kind regards, Kees
>
> Jean Weber schreef op 08.01.2020 07:52:
> > I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to 6.4. I
> > have
> > completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the Drafts
> > folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using Drafts,
> > Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4.
> >
> > I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and leave
> > me
> > to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. I’m
> > aiming
> > to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early
> > February,
> > around the same time that 6.4 is released.
> >
> > Jean
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
I have completed a first review of these two items and returned them to the Feedback folder. Regards, Steve On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 11:43, Stephen Fanning wrote: > Hi Jean, > > I have taken the Preface and Chapter 1 for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve Fanning > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber wrote: > >> I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to 6.4. I have >> completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the Drafts >> folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using Drafts, >> Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. >> >> I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and leave me >> to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. I’m aiming >> to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early February, >> around the same time that 6.4 is released. >> >> Jean >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Keyboard Shortcuts
All, As I mentioned in a previous email, I have done some work to collate a list of known Calc keyboard shortcuts, detailing the discrepancies between the software and the Help files. This is in the form of a reasonably large Writer file containing tables, which can be found in NextCloud (.../Calc Guide/Related materials/Calc Keyboard Shortcuts (windows only) v2.odt). As the file's title suggests, I have only considered the Windows shortcuts so far, ignoring Linux and macOS. This work seems to indicate signficant mis-matches between what the system provides and what is documented in the Help files. I am happy to do the work necessary to identify the changes necessary to align the relevant Help files and Calc Guide chapter with the implemented shortcuts (in Windows, Linux and macOS). Does anybody have any relevant thoughts before I embark on this task? Regards, Steve Fanning -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tooltips
Regina and Drew, Many thanks for clarifying that for me. Regards, Steve On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 15:26, Regina Henschel wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Stephen Fanning schrieb am 09-Jan-20 um 15:04: > > Please could anybody give me simple example in Calc or Writer showing the > > impact of selecting / deselecting the *Tools > Options > LibreOffice > > > General > Help > Extended tips* option? I have yet to find a control > which > > gives a different tooltip dependent on this setting. > > > > In a similar way, could anybody give me an example which shows the impact > > of selecting *Help > What’s This?* > > > > Thanks in anticipation! > > Although the main feature is broken as Drew already said, it is still > useful. If you have set the environment variable HELP_DEBUG=1, then the > tooltip has an additional line with the associated uno.-command or > source file, if "Extended tips" is enabled. > > Kind regards > Regina > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Tooltips
Please could anybody give me simple example in Calc or Writer showing the impact of selecting / deselecting the *Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Help > Extended tips* option? I have yet to find a control which gives a different tooltip dependent on this setting. In a similar way, could anybody give me an example which shows the impact of selecting *Help > What’s This?* Thanks in anticipation! Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4
Hi Jean, I have taken the Preface and Chapter 1 for first review. Regards, Steve Fanning On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 06:53, Jean Weber wrote: > I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to 6.4. I have > completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the Drafts > folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using Drafts, > Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4. > > I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and leave me > to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. I’m aiming > to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early February, > around the same time that 6.4 is released. > > Jean > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Understanding Calc keyboard shortcuts
Hi Olivier, I have done some work to collate a list of known keyboard shortcuts, detailing the discrepancies between the software and the Help files. This is in the form of a reasonably large Writer file containing tables and so I'll send you this file separately without trying to get the information onto the mailing list. Please could you have a look at it and let me know what you think we should do about this issue? Regards, Steve On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 17:45, Stephen Fanning wrote: > Olivier, > > I came away after yesterday's team meeting thinking that I understood, but > I was wrong! > > There appear to be a significant number of shortcuts described in the Help > files that should not exist according to the list of Calc shortcuts to be > found in Tools > Customize > Keyboard. I have included a list of such > shortcuts at the bottom of this message. > > Is there a technical reason why these shortcuts are described in the Help > but are not listed in the Tools > Customize > Keyboard dialog? Am I missing > something? > > Regards, > > Steve > > > The list is: > >- Alt+Enter >- Alt+Enter+Shift >- Shift+Ctrl+Enter >- Ctrl+Enter >- Alt+Page Up >- Alt+Page Down >- Ctrl+ ` (the ` key is located next to the "1" key on most English >keyboards) >- Ctrl+F1 >- Shift+Ctrl+F4 >- Shift+F7 >- Shift+Ctrl+F11 >- Alt+Right Arrow >- Alt+Left Arrow >- Alt+Shift+Arrow >- Shift+Tab >- Alt+the underlined character in the word "Row" >- Alt+the underlined character in the word "Column" >- Alt+the underlined character in the word "Data" >- Alt+O >- F6 >- Shift+F6 >- Ctrl+3 >- Ctrl+4 >- Ctrl+6 >- Ctrl+7 >- Ctrl+8 >- Ctrl+F6 > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: 6.2 Calc Guide, Chapter 17, Keyboard Shortcuts.
I have completed a first review of Chapter 17 and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder. All my changes are tracked in the document. The only significant modifications I made were to the shortcuts associated with Pivot Tables. Unfortunately I believe that the Help files might be out of date in this area and have raised bug 129554 to address this issue. Regards, Steve On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 13:55, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have taken this updated chapter for first review. > > Regards, > > Steve > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Understanding Calc keyboard shortcuts
Olivier, A further update on this issue is that I have identified over 50 keyboard short-cuts that are identified in the Tools > Customize > Keyboard list but do not appear to be described in the Help files. I have a list but have not attached it to this email to avoid information overload. I'm now even more confused! By the way, I forgot to mention in the first email that I'm only looking at the Windows installation at the moment - I've yet to delve into the Linux and Mac equivalents. Regards, Steve On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 17:45, Stephen Fanning wrote: > Olivier, > > I came away after yesterday's team meeting thinking that I understood, but > I was wrong! > > There appear to be a significant number of shortcuts described in the Help > files that should not exist according to the list of Calc shortcuts to be > found in Tools > Customize > Keyboard. I have included a list of such > shortcuts at the bottom of this message. > > Is there a technical reason why these shortcuts are described in the Help > but are not listed in the Tools > Customize > Keyboard dialog? Am I missing > something? > > Regards, > > Steve > > > The list is: > >- Alt+Enter >- Alt+Enter+Shift >- Shift+Ctrl+Enter >- Ctrl+Enter >- Alt+Page Up >- Alt+Page Down >- Ctrl+ ` (the ` key is located next to the "1" key on most English >keyboards) >- Ctrl+F1 >- Shift+Ctrl+F4 >- Shift+F7 >- Shift+Ctrl+F11 >- Alt+Right Arrow >- Alt+Left Arrow >- Alt+Shift+Arrow >- Shift+Tab >- Alt+the underlined character in the word "Row" >- Alt+the underlined character in the word "Column" >- Alt+the underlined character in the word "Data" >- Alt+O >- F6 >- Shift+F6 >- Ctrl+3 >- Ctrl+4 >- Ctrl+6 >- Ctrl+7 >- Ctrl+8 >- Ctrl+F6 > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Understanding Calc keyboard shortcuts
Olivier, I came away after yesterday's team meeting thinking that I understood, but I was wrong! There appear to be a significant number of shortcuts described in the Help files that should not exist according to the list of Calc shortcuts to be found in Tools > Customize > Keyboard. I have included a list of such shortcuts at the bottom of this message. Is there a technical reason why these shortcuts are described in the Help but are not listed in the Tools > Customize > Keyboard dialog? Am I missing something? Regards, Steve The list is: - Alt+Enter - Alt+Enter+Shift - Shift+Ctrl+Enter - Ctrl+Enter - Alt+Page Up - Alt+Page Down - Ctrl+ ` (the ` key is located next to the "1" key on most English keyboards) - Ctrl+F1 - Shift+Ctrl+F4 - Shift+F7 - Shift+Ctrl+F11 - Alt+Right Arrow - Alt+Left Arrow - Alt+Shift+Arrow - Shift+Tab - Alt+the underlined character in the word "Row" - Alt+the underlined character in the word "Column" - Alt+the underlined character in the word "Data" - Alt+O - F6 - Shift+F6 - Ctrl+3 - Ctrl+4 - Ctrl+6 - Ctrl+7 - Ctrl+8 - Ctrl+F6 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] 6.2 Calc Guide, Chapter 17, Keyboard Shortcuts.
I have taken this updated chapter for first review. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: 6.2 Calc Guide chapter 14
I have completed my review of this chapter. I've put the revised chapter in the Feedback folder and placed a zip file containing the revised figures in the Archive folder. The document contains a few comments that need resolution before it should be issued. Regards, Steve On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 13:42, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have taken chapter 14 (Setting up and Customizing Calc) for a second > review. > > Regards, > > Steve > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: 6.2 Calc Guide chapter 14
Hi Jean, While performing the review, I have noticed that the figures in this chapter appear to have been generated from a Mac. Would it be preferable to replace them with Windows 10 equivalents and, if so, would it help if I did so? Regards, Steve On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 13:42, Stephen Fanning wrote: > I have taken chapter 14 (Setting up and Customizing Calc) for a second > review. > > Regards, > > Steve > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Wiki-based description of Calc functions
Hi Regina, Apologies, my previous response was not sent off the list intentionally - I hit the reply button and forget to change the email address! I have already changed the standards heading for ABS as you suggested and will ignore compliance with ODF v1.3 for the moment. I will insert a category "Functions not contained in the Wizard" as a heading at the bottom of the page listing the function categories. I will also insert MULTIPLE.OPERATIONS in the alphabetical page of functions. I don't speak many words of German but will try to make sense of the linked page at some point. Thanks again. Regards, Steve On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 13:00, Regina Henschel wrote: > Hi Steve, > > why not discuss it on the list? > > Stephen Fanning schrieb am 14-Dec-19 um 12:41: > > Hi Regina, > > > > Many thanks for those helpful comments, many of which are clear and > agreed. > > > > However a few things remain unclear in my mind, as follows: > > > > 1. With regards to addressing compliance with ODF 1.3, is that standard > > approved yet? If not, shouldn’t we wait until it is? > > It is not approved yet, but will come hopefully in 2020. It is currently > in public review. I have added it for to explain, why I think, "1.2" > should not be in the section heading. > > > 2. I have based the set of functions to be covered, and their > > categories, on those presented in the Function Wizard at v6.2.0.2. I > > worry therefore that removing the Add-ins category, or sub-dividing > > the Mathematical category, or changing the categorization in other > > ways, could cause unnecessary confusion for users. > > That is a valid reason, so keep it. > > > 3. Multiple.Operations is not covered by the Functions Wizard and so > > does not currently appear in the wiki’s list of functions. It is > > well described in the Help files and the 6.2 Calc Guide. If we also > > include it in this part of the wiki, which category would it be in? > > The help describes use of Data > Multiple Operations. The help has no > description about using it as ordinary function. I have written an > example many years ago, for a -no longer active- German Wiki. > http://www.ooowiki.de/MehrfachOperation.html > > As the categories will be parallel to the categories in the function > list in the UI, I would add a category "Functions not contained in the > function list". > > > 4. I had envisaged that any constraints on the arguments would appear > > in the section entitled Arguments and any constraints on the result > > would appear in the Returns section. With that understanding (to be > > covered in a “guidelines” and “tips” page for authors) is an > > additional section entitled Constraints really necessary? > > No, that would be sufficient. > > Kind regards > Regina > > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 at 23:03, Regina Henschel > <mailto:rb.hensc...@t-online.de>> wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Stephen Fanning schrieb am 13-Dec-19 um 21:11: > > > All, > > > > > > At the last Documentation Team meeting, I agreed to initiate a > > wiki-based > > > description of the 500+ Calc functions. The idea is that such an > > area could > > > capture more technical information about a function than is > > possible in the > > > Help system. In addition we can provide representative use cases > > for some > > > functions. > > > > > > I have put some initial ideas together in the pages starting at > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions. > > Obviously > > > this is only partially complete and I still have a lot of work to > do > > > populating the structure and the information about the functions. > > However I > > > would like to get some initial feedback from the team on what > > I’ve done > > > before taking the idea further (in case we agree on changes of > > direction). > > > So far I’ve only populated the details of one function, ABS. > > > > > > Please could any interested parties have a look at what I’ve done > and > > > provide any feedback or comments? Maybe we can discuss the way > > ahead at the > > > next team meeting? > > > > I would not make an own category "add-in functions". In former > > times, it > > was po
[libreoffice-documentation] 6.2 Calc Guide chapter 14
I have taken chapter 14 (Setting up and Customizing Calc) for a second review. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Indexing of Calc Guide chapters 8 and 9
All, Following discussion at last week’s team meeting, I have updated Chapters 8 (Pivot Tables) and 9 (Data Analysis) of the 6.2 Calc Guide to (hopefully) improve the indexing of those chapters. Please note: (1)Before doing anything I copied the latest files for those chapters from the Draft folder to the Archive folder. I appended today’s date to the names of these files to aid recognition. (2)For each file I have used the Compare Document function in Writer to verify that the text of the document is unaffected, only the indexing fields. (3)I copied the updated files to the Draft folder. Since the text of these file is unchanged from that already reviewed, my updates should need no specific review. They will of course be sanity-checked when the index is produced after Jean pulls the whole guide together. Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook progress
All, I tend to agree with the thought that dropping first drafts into the Feedback folder rather than the Drafts folder isn't very intuitive. But more importantly, when I joined the team earlier in the year, I really struggled to understand the in-use workflow because it didn't match the documented workflow (i.e. Jean's diagram). I think this is a really important consideration with regards to transparency of our procedures. I would be in favour of reverting to the previously established and documented workflow, especially if it wasn't really broken in the first place. Regards, Steve On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 at 18:25, DaveB wrote: > > I will add some points about the Documentation NextCloud structure and > how things have become somewhat confused. > > When it was decided move from ODF Authors to NextCloud, I set up the > NextCloud directory structure along similar lines to the one we had on > ODF Authors. Although it was undecided if we needed a Published folder > in the NextCloud structure. It was my understanding that our workflow > would be also be very similar to Jean's original workflow diagram > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Workflow.png > > It was about this time that we started work on the Calc guide and > somebody arbitrarily decided that copies of the 4.1 guide should be > deposited in the 6.0 Drafts folder. From then on things got more and > more confusing, especially for new contributors. > > I agree with Jean and would advocate that we return to the original > workflow. Other opinions? > > Dave > > On 07/12/2019 10:21, Jean Weber wrote: > > It makes more sense to me for updates (or new chapters) to go in Drafts, > > reviews in Feedback, and finished chapters in Published (the way we did > it > > in ODFAuthors), instead of the way we’ve been doing it in NextCloud. > > > > Jean > > > > On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 at 03:32 wrote: > > > >> Hi Dan > >> > >> Documents for review should be in the Feedback folder. > >> I moved them there for you. > >> > >> Kind regards, Kees > >> > >> Dan Lewis schreef op 06.12.2019 17:12: > >>> I have completed editing the preface and chapter 1. These have been > >>> uploaded to the Draft folder. (Is this the correct place, or what > >>> would be a better place to put it?) I have also created a Guide status > >>> spreadsheet based upon the Calc version. I have added one added > >>> column: Replace screenshots. This has been placed in the Base Handbook > 6.2 folder similar to where the guide status spreadsheet was placed in > >> Calc. > >>> > >>> My next project is to make necessary changes in two of the example > >>> databases that were discussed in the two documents I have uploaded. I > >>> plan to edit one chapter at a time, and as I do so, I will be also > >>> making editing each mentioned example databases. > >>> > >>> In case anyone is interested, I have also created and uploaded ePUB > >>> versions of the preface and chapter 1. They are also in the draft > >>> folder. These are only examples of what is possible with this format; > >>> when each document is ready for publishing, then they have to be > >>> modified based upon any changes are made. > >>> > >>> Dan > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide 6.2, Chapter 18, Description of Functions
All, A draft update to this chapter is available for first review. (Note - the equivalent material was in Appendix B in the 4.1 Calc Guide) Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Team meetings
Hi Olivier Due to unforeseen circumstances (I've hurt my back!), my usual Wednesday evening activity is cancelled this week and I'd like to attend the team meeting after all. I have put a couple of discussion points in the agenda. Regards, Steve On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 13:22, Stephen Fanning wrote: > Hi Olivier, > > Many apologies but my circumstances haven’t changed in the last couple of > months – I am otherwise engaged on Wednesdays at the proposed meeting time > and won’t be able to participate. I have some questions and a suggestion > that I wish to raise but I’ll do it via the mailing lists rather than in a > meeting. > > Regards, > > Steve > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 19:02, Olivier Hallot < > olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote: > >> HI Steve, all >> >> Yes we can resume our bi-weekly calls. I suggest next Wednesday December >> 4th at 18:00 UTC >> >> We will use the following jitsi meeting room >> >> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam >> >> The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need >> of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or Iphone. >> >> The documentation pad for the meeting minute is >> >> http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation >> >> Please forward the agenda that you want to discuss in the pad >> >> >> >> Em 23/11/2019 13:55, Stephen Fanning escreveu: >> > Hi Olivier, >> > >> > Do you still hold Documentation Team meetings? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Steve >> > >> >> -- >> Olivier Hallot >> LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator >> Comunidade LibreOffice >> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 >> http://tdf.io/joinus >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help pages for CALC functions OPT_* (Bug 92084)
Hi Olivier, I have drafted some text to address this bug. I've attached a PDF version to the bug and will email the Writer version to you separately. Please let me know if you need me to do anything else on this bug. Regards, Steve On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 10:02, Steve Fanning wrote: > Olivier, > > No problem, I'll do that. I've been having a look around the code anyway. > > Are you aware of the location of any test data for these four functions - > such data might be a useful source of examples! > > Regards, > > Steve > > > -Original Message- > From: Olivier Hallot > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 4:40 PM > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help pages for CALC functions > OPT_* > (Bug 92084) > > Hello Steve > > Yes it is interesting. > > The bug on Doc is already opened since ages: > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92084 > > If you want to write a piece of Help page, please follow the outline of > the other Help Calc functions description/syntax/example/related/ in a > simple Writer document and I'll convert to the Help XML. I will commit > the patch with your authorship. > > Regards > > Em 27/11/2019 12:56, Steve Fanning escreveu: > > Hi Olivier, > > > > A couple of weeks ago you mentioned Bug 92084, which relates to the > > absence of information in the Help files for the OPT_BARRIER, > > OPT_PROB_HIT, OPT_PROB_INMONEY, and OPT_TOUCH functions. > > > > Appendix B of the 4.1 Calc Guide contains descriptions for each of these > > four functions. Could that material be used to populate the missing Help > > pages? > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > -- > Olivier Hallot > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > Comunidade LibreOffice > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > http://tdf.io/joinus > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Help pages for CALC functions OPT_* (Bug 92084)
Hi Olivier, A couple of weeks ago you mentioned Bug 92084, which relates to the absence of information in the Help files for the OPT_BARRIER, OPT_PROB_HIT, OPT_PROB_INMONEY, and OPT_TOUCH functions. Appendix B of the 4.1 Calc Guide contains descriptions for each of these four functions. Could that material be used to populate the missing Help pages? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Suggestion
I agree that it would be good to create a separate handbook to describe Calc's functions and I will spend time creating a first draft of this during the coming months. As for the relevant chapter in the Calc Guide, I worry that it is now too thick following the addition of so many new functions. My latest draft is 80+ pages. I suggest we retain it for the moment but I'll try too remove excess verbage from descriptions that appear unnecessarily detailed. It would be nice to shorten it a bit before issue! I tend to agree with Jean and so when a separate handbook becomes available, the chapter should be withdrawn from future issues of the Calc Guide. Regards, Steve On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 01:09, Jean Weber wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:13 Olivier Hallot < > olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> > wrote: > > > Hi Steve > > > > Em 26/11/2019 11:00, Stephen Fanning escreveu: > > > Olivier, > > > > > > As you are aware I have noted some discrepancies between the Function > > > Wizard and the Help system with regards to the descriptions of the 500+ > > > Calc functions. I have kept a list of the issues found so far and will > > > raise bugs in due course. > > > > I am interested in these discrepancies because the Help system is > > actually the reference information to users. Therefore, information > > accuracy in the Help system is a quality issue and must be addressed. > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > Once I have completed the draft Calc Guide chapter, I would be prepared > > to > > > carry out a more systematic and thorough cross-check of the function > > > descriptions over the next few months, as a background task. Would > that a > > > worthwhile exercise? > > > > In the Calc Guide point of view, my personal opinion is that it can turn > > the chapter into an extensive reference, which can turn the book a bit > > too heavy, having pages and pages of esoteric > > math/sciences/financial//computer sciences/.../ functions, perhaps > > better fit into a "Handbook of LibreOffice Calc Functions" book on its > own. > > > > Would that be a worthwhile exercise? yes definitely. Everyone will > benefit. > > > > Help system: must be as accurate as possible with respect to the current > > software implementation. > > > > the "Handbook": will be a wonderful piece of work for LibreOffice Calc. > > 500 or more functions is not a small task, though. > > > > Note: We often see a mix of objective in product documentation blurring > > Reference info and Guide info. To try to make things a bit clear, the > > software Help system must be reference-oriented, where information is > > factual and accurate (and dull). For example, the Help system should not > > be used to explain the math behind the COS function. The same COS > > function can figure in a Guide with some trigonometry background info to > > help user in achieving a goal, because Guides are essentially > > goal-oriented information. > > > > IMO the functions chapter should be a separate handbook, not part of the > Calc Guide itself. Years ago when the first iteration of the book was being > written, I argued against including it, but others wanted it in. To me the > Calc Guide (and all the guides) should be task- or goal-oriented (how to do > things), not reference books. > > Jean > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Suggestion
Olivier, As you are aware I have noted some discrepancies between the Function Wizard and the Help system with regards to the descriptions of the 500+ Calc functions. I have kept a list of the issues found so far and will raise bugs in due course. However the scope of cross-checking the available sources of information is wide and I’ve only really scratched the surface so far while updating the relevant Calc Guide chapter. Once I have completed the draft Calc Guide chapter, I would be prepared to carry out a more systematic and thorough cross-check of the function descriptions over the next few months, as a background task. Would that a worthwhile exercise? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Descriptions of Calc Functions
All, I am putting the finishing touches to an updated version of Chapter 18 of the Calc Guide (Description of Functions) and a question occurs to me. At the moment we seem to have at least four user-level descriptions of the 500 or so functions offered by Calc. These descriptions are contained in: (1)The Function Wizard; (2)The Help files; (3)Chapter 18 of the Calc Guide; (4)The wiki. Are there any linkages between these sources of information, apart from humans copying and pasting chunks of text around? Has the possibility of using a single source approach ever been considered? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Team meetings
Hi Olivier, Many apologies but my circumstances haven’t changed in the last couple of months – I am otherwise engaged on Wednesdays at the proposed meeting time and won’t be able to participate. I have some questions and a suggestion that I wish to raise but I’ll do it via the mailing lists rather than in a meeting. Regards, Steve On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 19:02, Olivier Hallot wrote: > HI Steve, all > > Yes we can resume our bi-weekly calls. I suggest next Wednesday December > 4th at 18:00 UTC > > We will use the following jitsi meeting room > > https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam > > The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need > of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or Iphone. > > The documentation pad for the meeting minute is > > http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation > > Please forward the agenda that you want to discuss in the pad > > > > Em 23/11/2019 13:55, Stephen Fanning escreveu: > > Hi Olivier, > > > > Do you still hold Documentation Team meetings? > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve > > > > -- > Olivier Hallot > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > Comunidade LibreOffice > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > http://tdf.io/joinus > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Team meetings
Hi Olivier, Do you still hold Documentation Team meetings? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc functions not described in the Help system
Olivier, Thank you for that information. I didn't previously know about META bugs and was also interested to find 108827 (META for the Calc Functions). As you are probably aware, I'm currently working on Chapter 18 of the Calc Guide (Description of Functions). This is a somewhat bigger task than I imagined but that's ok, I'm battling through it. In working through this chapter I have found a range of problems with the Function Wizard and the (built-in / online) Help pages. These fall into three rough categories: (1) Cases where the Help system doesn't address a function (see earlier email). An obvious knock-on in these cases is that the Help button on the Function Wizard won't work sensibly for these functions. (2) Cases where although the Help system does include a function's description, the Help button on the Function Wizard doesn't appear to be linked to the correct item in the Help system. (3) Cases where there are inconsistencies between the description of a function in the Help system and its implementation in the Function Wizard. I suspect the most efficient way for me to proceed is to carry on updating the chapter and at the end of my task, raise all the problems / bugs / inconsistencies in one go. At that point I'll try to avoid covering problems that are already in the system (e.g. the inclusion of OPT_ functions in the Help). Does that make sense? Regards, Steve On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 19:25, Olivier Hallot wrote: > Hi Steve and all > > Em 11/11/2019 15:51, Steve Edmonds escreveu: > > Some on the MS site. > > Of course both spreadsheets applications shares a lot of common > functions. However I politely advise our contributors not to blindly > copy & paste contents of commercial products or unlicensed contents. > Help pages and our documentation must be in our own words and out of > legal claims. > > Cheers! > -- > Olivier Hallot > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > Comunidade LibreOffice > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > http://tdf.io/joinus > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide, Chapter 9, Data Analysis
I wonder whether anybody could help me with two areas of uncertainty that I have with Chapter 9 of the Calc Guide, Data Analysis. Firstly, Figure 21 in the existing LO4.1 version of this chapter shows the Solver dialog with an Options button. However the dialog accessed through this button is not shown or discussed. Was this an intentional omission or would it be sensible to describe the Options dialog within this chapter of the updated Calc Guide? Secondly, I note that the LO6.0 Getting Started Guide implies on page 157 that statistical data analysis tools accessed through the Data > Statistics menu will be described in Chapter 9 of the Calc Guide. I did not see any such funtions described in the LO4.1 version of this chapter - are we intending to extend the scope of the updated Chapter 9 in this way? Regards, Steve Fanning -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Pivot charts in pivot tables chapter?
Hi Olivier, Thank you for that. I had seen your material on pivot charts and am putting it to good use in drafting the update to Chapter 8. I am grateful for the information on the PT cell styles which was new to me. I'll add a small section to cover this useful feature. Regards, Steve On Thursday, 6 June 2019, 23:35:47 BST, Olivier Hallot wrote: Hi Steve and Team In case you have not stumbled up on the Help, I wrote some lines there, and I have a demo file where you can exercise numbers. https://help.libreoffice.org/6.3/en-US/text/scalc/guide/pivotchart.html?=CALC=UNIX also, for pivot tables, one recurrent user question is how to format pivot tables cells. The solution exist but somehow hidden. On creating a PT, several standard cell styles that are added to the Styles list in the document. Each style is applied to part of the PT. Pivot Table Cell Styles: Pivot Table Categories Pivot Table Corner Pivot Table Field Pivot Table Result Pivot Table Value Pivot Table Title Once you customize the PT styles, then 1) you keep the cell style when updating the PT (and that is crucial because when you direct-format a PT cell you loose its format when you update the PT) 2) All PT's in your document will have the same look (same styles applied to all PTs) Regards Olivier Em 06/06/2019 19:03, Steve Fanning escreveu: > Hi Cathy, > > Yes, the draft version of Chapter 8 that I am working on at the moment > describes pivot charts. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > -Original Message- From: Cathy Crumbley > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 9:25 PM > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Pivot charts in pivot tables > chapter? > > Steve, > > Just realized you are working on Chapter 8, Using Pivot Tables. > > I think that pivot tables should be discussed before pivot charts. Can I > assume that you will include a section on pivot charts? I would like to > refer to it in the chart chapter. > > Cathy > > On 5/26/2019 2:05 PM, Dave Barton wrote: >> On 26.05.2019 18:52, Dave Barton wrote: >>> On 26.05.2019 17:43, Steve Fanning wrote: The 4.1 version of this document includes many figures based on a sample spreadsheet containing sales data in various categories (sailing, tennis, golfing) across four regions (north, east, south and west) by five employees (Kurt, Hans, Fritz, Ute and Brigitte). Does anybody still have a copy of the spreadsheet used previously, so that I can maintain consistency and use it when creating new figures for the 6.2 version of this chapter? Regards, Steve Fanning >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> If you have access to the Nextcloud Documentation "Archive" folders the >>> following link will get the file "Calc Guide Source Files.zip": >>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/aXRGbrQHtiLBgWD >>> There are three files in the zip, you want the one named "Sales >>> List.ods". >>> >>> If you don't have Nextcloud access write back and I will send you a >>> copy. >>> >>> Regards >>> Dave >> BTW Steve, many of us make use of the mailing list threading structure >> to organize messages in our email clients (eg. Thunderbird). >> Your practice of replying to an existing thread and changing the subject >> line destroys this threading structure. >> It would be much appreciated if you would start a new email when you >> want to start a new subject. >> >> Thanks & Regards >> Dave >> >> >> > -- Olivier Hallot LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator Comunidade LibreOffice Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 http://tdf.io/joinus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
