Re: [Dorset] Fibre Installation, Routers, telephones
Hi Clive, > Recently we had a visit of workers who were starting to install Fibre > cables to replace the overhead coppers. They said it was going to be > Gigabit capable and it would be cheaper to install the new broadband > connection at the same time. > > Question is what router would I need (no game playing & little > streaming) and if it affects the telephones? You need to determine what's on offer and from whom, whether it's optional to switch or mandatory, and if optional whether you want to. A few terms and definitions which might help with your research. I think you use to work for the G.P.O. so it's only the new stuff you need find out about. :-) - ADSL was copper wire all the way from the telephone exchange, through the green ‘junction’ cabinet on the pavements, to the house's master socket. - FttC, fibre to the cabinet, replaced the first leg of copper from telephone exchange to the green cabinet. No change to the house's wiring is needed to upgrade to this but a router which understands FttC is required; an old ADSL router will not do. - FttP, fibre to the premises, takes FttC and replaces the remaining stretch of copper from the green cabinet to the house's master socket. This means the engineer must alter the house. Either by replacing the existing master socket, or putting a new one in alongside or elsewhere if you prefer or don't object to what's easier for him. Again, a router which handles FttP is needed. And unlike FttC, an ordinary POTS telephone no longer fits or works in the new master socket. You either need to upgrade to compatible phones or use a POTS socket provided by the FttC router. Lastly, no power is supplied over fibre, unlike copper, so the connection stops working in a power cut. If you have ‘care alarm’ hardware or similar then I think the supplier has to provide a battery back-up solution if they're forcing your to move to FttP. Because FttP is faster, your monthly rental may be more. That may be one reason to put off the upgrade. Having the hassle of a site visit and equipment incompatibility is another. I think the Government has set a target of 2025 to move everything to FttP. ‘Choosing a landline provider’ at https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/phone-internet-downloads-or-tv/switch-broadband-phone-or-tv-provider/ and Ofcom's https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/future-of-landline-calls may be helpful. -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Fibre Installation, Routers, telephones
Sorry, I mean RJ11 for the telephone (the type of cable connector at the telephone end that typically goes from the “BT Jack” at the BT wall socket). If you're coming from a PSTN to using a VoIP on the router, you just replace the BT Jack cable with a RJ11-RJ11 cable (which was supplied with the router). Just check to see if the phone has an RJ11 socket. I erroneously said an RJ47 connector (which would be Ethernet). Regards James > On 30 Dec 2023, at 14:50, James Blake wrote: > > I've got CityFibre (which is run by Vodafone) and its Fibre-to-the-Premises. > They effectively run a bit of fibre from the telegraph pole into my house, > just the same as copper used to. This terminates in an NTE box that converts > it to Ethernet. > > Vodafone supplied the router that plugs into the NTE via the Ethernet (my > assumption is that there's an Ethernet switch in the cabinet and they're > encapsulating Ethernet over the fibre, then there's a single IP presented to > the router than then NATs anything you plug in on the other side). The > router has an RJ47 connection for a telephone and I have a number allocated, > but don't use. I assume this is now done as Voice-over-IP to the router and > its handling the conversation to the PSTN handset. > > Got to say I've had it over two years, great speed and minimal outages. Much > happier than I was with Virgin. > > Regards > > > James > >> On 30 Dec 2023, at 14:40, CA Wills wrote: >> >> Hi All >> >> Hope you've all had good Christmas' and the New Year. >> >> Recently we had a visit of workers who were starting to install Fibre cables >> to replace the overhead coppers. They said it was going to be Gigabit >> capable and it would be cheaper to install the new broadband connection at >> the same time. >> >> Question is what router would I need (no game playing & little streaming) >> and if it affects the telephones? >> >> What I've seen so far does not mention any telephone information. My next >> door neighbour is also trying to find out info. >> >> Our phones are normal landlines through cables around the house, will we >> need to change these? >> >> Miss our monthly meetings because this is the type if 'chats' we could have, >> not so easy over the 'net'. >> >> Perhaps next weeks meeting could provide the info?? >> >> Meanwhile I'll keep looking. >> >> -- >> -- >> Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 >> Check to whom you are replying >> Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk >> New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Fibre Installation, Routers, telephones
I have taken the plunge and ordered firbe, it should of been installed yesterday, but three of us in the house with Covid (all over xmas) that was the end to that install day Covid negative as of this morning but still feel ill). I am not booked for 12th Jan. I went with Toob who had a very good deal on at the time and are one of the many City Fibre resellers in the area (fibre is installed by City Fibre as well). I have been sent a Linksys router, (Velop MX42 I think) but other than that I don't know much about the router. Hope it helps Tim H On 30/12/2023 14:38, CA Wills wrote: Hi All Hope you've all had good Christmas' and the New Year. Recently we had a visit of workers who were starting to install Fibre cables to replace the overhead coppers. They said it was going to be Gigabit capable and it would be cheaper to install the new broadband connection at the same time. Question is what router would I need (no game playing & little streaming) and if it affects the telephones? What I've seen so far does not mention any telephone information. My next door neighbour is also trying to find out info. Our phones are normal landlines through cables around the house, will we need to change these? Miss our monthly meetings because this is the type if 'chats' we could have, not so easy over the 'net'. Perhaps next weeks meeting could provide the info?? Meanwhile I'll keep looking. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Fibre Installation, Routers, telephones
I've got CityFibre (which is run by Vodafone) and its Fibre-to-the-Premises. They effectively run a bit of fibre from the telegraph pole into my house, just the same as copper used to. This terminates in an NTE box that converts it to Ethernet. Vodafone supplied the router that plugs into the NTE via the Ethernet (my assumption is that there's an Ethernet switch in the cabinet and they're encapsulating Ethernet over the fibre, then there's a single IP presented to the router than then NATs anything you plug in on the other side). The router has an RJ47 connection for a telephone and I have a number allocated, but don't use. I assume this is now done as Voice-over-IP to the router and its handling the conversation to the PSTN handset. Got to say I've had it over two years, great speed and minimal outages. Much happier than I was with Virgin. Regards James > On 30 Dec 2023, at 14:40, CA Wills wrote: > > Hi All > > Hope you've all had good Christmas' and the New Year. > > Recently we had a visit of workers who were starting to install Fibre cables > to replace the overhead coppers. They said it was going to be Gigabit > capable and it would be cheaper to install the new broadband connection at > the same time. > > Question is what router would I need (no game playing & little streaming) and > if it affects the telephones? > > What I've seen so far does not mention any telephone information. My next > door neighbour is also trying to find out info. > > Our phones are normal landlines through cables around the house, will we need > to change these? > > Miss our monthly meetings because this is the type if 'chats' we could have, > not so easy over the 'net'. > > Perhaps next weeks meeting could provide the info?? > > Meanwhile I'll keep looking. > > -- > -- > Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 > Check to whom you are replying > Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk > New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Fibre Installation, Routers, telephones
Hi All Hope you've all had good Christmas' and the New Year. Recently we had a visit of workers who were starting to install Fibre cables to replace the overhead coppers. They said it was going to be Gigabit capable and it would be cheaper to install the new broadband connection at the same time. Question is what router would I need (no game playing & little streaming) and if it affects the telephones? What I've seen so far does not mention any telephone information. My next door neighbour is also trying to find out info. Our phones are normal landlines through cables around the house, will we need to change these? Miss our monthly meetings because this is the type if 'chats' we could have, not so easy over the 'net'. Perhaps next weeks meeting could provide the info?? Meanwhile I'll keep looking. -- -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2024-01-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
