Re: [Dovecot] ATTN: David Miller Re: Config review (2.0.5)

2010-10-11 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Daniel L. Miller :

> I find this an all  too frequent occurrence in e-mail correspondence
> - that humor doesn't translate well.  My statement had NOTHING to do
> with the original author - and everything to do with the fact that
> *I* am a Linux novice in general, a noob e-mail admin in particular -
> and I was being *SELF*-deprecating.

Hey, no need to. Your idea was good, but unlikely. Yet it worked, to
my great amazement... :)

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
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Re: [Dovecot] ATTN: David Miller Re: Config review (2.0.5)

2010-10-10 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:57 -0400, Jerrale G wrote:
> >  On 10/7/2010 8:16 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

> > >fts = squat
> >
> > I'm probably talking out of the wrong hole again - but have you tried 
> > removing squat from your plugin list to see if it makes a difference?
> Daniel Miller,
> 
> Please do not get all defensive when someone asks why they're having 
> performance issues. You act like he said "Because of dovecot, i'm having 
> POP3 or IMAP performance problems". He only said he noticed a change 
> since going to 2.0.5. You could have suggested to try disabling all the 
> plugins and then enabling each one until he notices a huge performance 
> decrease, using whatever he was using to benchmark, instead of 
> ignorantly implying he should have already known to do so.

I don't think he got all defensive, I don't believe he implied anything,
and I don't think his reply was in any wrong. As I understand it, it was
a gut feeling of his, and turned out to be the issue indeed. (As
confirmed a while ago.)

Granted, I mostly lurk here only, and deleted most of this thread
already, but from memory...

Jerrale, dude, you got all defensive. I don't know who is the author of
the squat fts, and I am too lazy to look it up. But unless you are, I
don't really understand your screaming ATTN attribution on-list in the
first place.


Anyway, I don't feel like a flame war. I will try not to contribute to
this thread any further. However, David, err, Daniel -- don't feel bad.
I did not understand your comment offensive in any way, and I believe
the guys originally involved did neither.

This was a strange (sub)thread to read indeed. Back to my recording.


-- 
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Re: [Dovecot] ATTN: David Miller Re: Config review (2.0.5)

2010-10-10 Thread Daniel L. Miller

 On 10/10/2010 2:57 PM, Jerrale G wrote:




I'm probably talking out of the wrong hole again - but have you tried 
removing squat from your plugin list to see if it makes a difference?

Daniel Miller,

Please do not get all defensive when someone asks why they're having 
performance issues. You act like he said "Because of dovecot, i'm 
having POP3 or IMAP performance problems". He only said he noticed a 
change since going to 2.0.5. You could have suggested to try disabling 
all the plugins and then enabling each one until he notices a huge 
performance decrease, using whatever he was using to benchmark, 
instead of ignorantly implying he should have already known to do so.


I find this an all  too frequent occurrence in e-mail correspondence - 
that humor doesn't translate well.  My statement had NOTHING to do with 
the original author - and everything to do with the fact that *I* am a 
Linux novice in general, a noob e-mail admin in particular - and I was 
being *SELF*-deprecating.


I would go on - but have no wish to start a flame war.  Suffice it to 
say if offense was taken, by anyone, then please accept my most sincere 
& humble apologies.  No offense was intended.  I will say, however, that 
I've found most people who feel slighted on discussion groups are quite 
capable of voicing their issues themselves - a third party "defender" is 
rarely necessary and usually creates more problems than were ever there 
originally.  I'm quite certain Mr. Hildebrandt either took no offense 
because he recognized none was intended - and/or because he knows his 
own worth and disregards my opinion as insignficant - both of which are 
equally valid.

--
Daniel


Re: [Dovecot] ATTN: David Miller Re: Config review (2.0.5)

2010-10-10 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Jerrale G :

> Please do not get all defensive when someone asks why they're having
> performance issues. You act like he said "Because of dovecot, i'm
> having POP3 or IMAP performance problems". He only said he noticed a
> change since going to 2.0.5.

Indeed.

> You could have suggested to try disabling all the plugins and then
> enabling each one until he notices a huge performance decrease, using
> whatever he was using to benchmark, instead of ignorantly implying he
> should have already known to do so.

The FTS plugin was the culprit.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de