Re: Best practise for deleting with Thunderbird
On 08. nov. 2014 19:15, Reindl Harald wrote: move in case of thunderbird is always copy+delete that's how it works Really? Sure? Icedove gives me THREE choices, move, mark as deleted, or delete immediately. I thought the codebase was the same for thunderbird and icedove? With the middle choice (Just mark as deleted) I get a red cross over deleted messages, and they stay around until I "compact" the mailbox. The "just mark as deleted" might depend on dovecot announcing that capability, I have not checked. It IS available with dovecot using Maildir storage, under all icedove versions since I can remember. Check your mail-client and see. Under "account settings" -> "server settings".
Re: Best practise for deleting with Thunderbird
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 08.11.2014 um 19:33 schrieb Reindl Harald: > looks like TB tries a atomic rename (depending on the server > capabilities) which could do a fallback to copy/rename in case of > a message - doing that for a whole folder i dangerous - in case the > folder may contain 5000 messages > > mayboe you could configure TB trash to a local folder instead keep > it on the server (as long you control all clients) - may also help > against users deleting junk but never empty trash :-) worth a thought, yes ... I will suggest that to the customer next week. Thanks, Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUXmMhAAoJEClcuD1V0Pzm7SQP/2IOyWhA3+rdeWbUqPddE4zH mSOEu5xbsWrSg3M+n+4dqxfpXoxTwGOFXr2GJyP0yZAG33j2W+xt5wSFRwTNdYXz d5GQyCwYPtY+H5ssPsVLqr5rxpKKVAp6SkZBDy4Cqi0bf1zqOxbBXvXGpU5WGO1M FuCJduEW0xa2iQOoJfNlr8kGc6ZwbIK1FluFNCwjDsPLQJ2lLyVTCZMRamF6y6zg chy5lqRIdRuENife/Kd2Yj+P5W75P2mrCSUhwqAyvM1L6Y8aHIxc74DuojOh1UFG 9IS9aQxGJGudvz9IotFylodeIjvexWqIr+24mTWYqsL831YS6PwW2A9x4ZhXejHa yg2VigihvJygG7o3fD0IEHpBBHeHUCgCyGCIzGQhRh0vJ6OSSoBlzq9xPG7Bn+K0 VkkSDKfjBuZRHx4BrtSI/Z9N7HjOxnh1Tg6LYrpJpM2aPtMUpPXe36HDXsT2gbtX ot4NyKNlxjK2KoNmvVgJcsoRjfS3Sz6h8SKVoRX8ukwJ+U/wp1UKTkuT/TSWNEtd fOA3lqMc10r9Lf7dqYFzxZEiLnN9+Z17SGOgepcKu+6MphweLrYiYzzvkx/mA9l8 8p59f2Y3JfimHFrMkp0aYCzQNr1mlzqYrfNO89BgbDgJn4rDxa+nYrEH+uWhc2IT 6Xxr71jt3y67rpV5nwpI =etZg -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Best practise for deleting with Thunderbird
Am 08.11.2014 um 19:18 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 08.11.2014 um 19:15 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am I in the wrong place with my questions? yes - this is a server list I asked for a possible config change on the server side as well ;-) not use different namespaces - but that likely is no solution you just have two options in a mail-client * delete immediately * move it to trash folder move in case of thunderbird is always copy+delete that's how it works Yep, thanks looks like TB tries a atomic rename (depending on the server capabilities) which could do a fallback to copy/rename in case of a message - doing that for a whole folder i dangerous - in case the folder may contain 5000 messages mayboe you could configure TB trash to a local folder instead keep it on the server (as long you control all clients) - may also help against users deleting junk but never empty trash :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Best practise for deleting with Thunderbird
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 08.11.2014 um 19:15 schrieb Reindl Harald: >> Am I in the wrong place with my questions? > > yes - this is a server list I asked for a possible config change on the server side as well ;-) > you just have two options in a mail-client > > * delete immediately * move it to trash folder > > move in case of thunderbird is always copy+delete > > > that's how it works Yep, thanks. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUXl6CAAoJEClcuD1V0PzmY/UP/RTw9cj5Jsa9jQWDnbA0Dts4 QKLWcAmU8f5qN/ip+PFiWn7bVHjFPMkzXGvBoR2msiR6uNEEd6+gokeNJCObM8xG MBAcsinHqKma67spWT5IaOmmUuaiZTbhvta40I3CoQpaXYRxXVze0RKlILYZPkk3 3rh1ceALckvU37s4mLa0QehmOs6R0LMB6Ldr9hnqvf252Abfg8GMoFTtpDJSlyS8 3vUkoy4Us06N5ac422A77Tb0VFqE3V1lFs40t9C0CeFOX/l+kEj2mzG0mexr2ylT zioy68Wb8CqhKEw/GP5O55KPCoZ7yJ3gVUeAGCezMZ+lfZ2UDZXXsgimsZ1tMFOw qAESPtqYd5T19+qKDIcu5HVqu9Hmw9W1XIhYvzvmkyEf3aTSBC7mfefSTFH2yE/W qzz12ZjcR/s0jdtgEWN1AWWCTNbEMxl/UBOSVEfZEdg/DlkE6vInrntyjLwviCIY EGl1a//v7bRIruWqZmfm6bdT2vC5VUaKj6VFmiPuRjcHSyzK6grLZAEmzXetVSEa rwRSfl8TMJlsqAaNZaNEAzr57DBldL7T6EKAJZb0xlLLgOqgy/PG7zFPMZki2Xp2 a0yYh1uwqef5/5RBM3EDuXKQOJ2yG2hrtFP1tIXutgD7yfwjY85uNhn72YLqy9ho nat6nUK4H5WU9sTcte5V =i3GA -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Best practise for deleting with Thunderbird
Am 08.11.2014 um 19:12 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Now when I create a folder in the public space and try to delete it via thunderbird I get something like: "Renaming not supported across non-private namespaces" As far as I found out by browsing the web this is related to Thunderbird trying to move (=rename) the mail from the public to the private namespace, correct? Setting TB to immediately remove mails (tested that, this works) seems a bit scary to me: this removes a safety layer for the users because this would also apply to their personal maildirs. Is there any more elegant way of solving this? Do I have to set up some kind of ACLs? Some kind of "public paperbin folder" ?? Pls help me to understand this better ;-) Am I in the wrong place with my questions? yes - this is a server list you just have two options in a mail-client * delete immediately * move it to trash folder move in case of thunderbird is always copy+delete that's how it works signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Best practise for deleting with Thunderbird
Am 05.11.2014 um 18:50 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>
> As I mentioned in another thread I set up these 2 namespaces for a
> couple of users:
>
> namespace {
> inbox = yes
> location =
> prefix =
> separator = /
> type = private
> }
> namespace {
> location =
> maildir:/home/vmail/oeffentlich:INDEXPVT=/home/vmail/public/index/%d/%u/index
> prefix = Oeffentlich/
> separator = /
> subscriptions = yes
> type = public
> }
>
> It is planned that they all will use Thunderbird (on MS Windows) to
> access their mailboxes.
>
> Now when I create a folder in the public space and try to delete it via
> thunderbird I get something like:
>
> "Renaming not supported across non-private namespaces"
>
> As far as I found out by browsing the web this is related to Thunderbird
> trying to move (=rename) the mail from the public to the private
> namespace, correct?
>
> Setting TB to immediately remove mails (tested that, this works) seems a
> bit scary to me: this removes a safety layer for the users because this
> would also apply to their personal maildirs.
>
> Is there any more elegant way of solving this?
>
> Do I have to set up some kind of ACLs?
>
> Some kind of "public paperbin folder" ??
>
> Pls help me to understand this better ;-)
Am I in the wrong place with my questions?
