RE: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
FWIW, I have a Windows-64 system too, though I usually boot it into the 32-bit OS. -- Paul > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charlie Russel > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:26 AM > To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: RE: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! > > I can certainly provide a build environment on my x64 box. I have an AMD Athlon64 > 3500+ on an ASUS MB with 2GB of RAM. It can boot into 32-bit Windows XP, x64 Windows > XP, or Server 2k3 R2 for x64 (beta). Write me directly at: Charlie At Scribes Dot > Com and I can set up a remote desktop connection for you to that box. > > On compilers -- according to this: > http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winhec/partners/64bitAMD.mspx you should be able to do > it on 32-bit, if I read it right. (gg compiler amd64 32-bit) > > Also: http://www.amd.com/us- > en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/dwamd_30887.pdf#search='amd64%20compile%20 > applications' > > And: http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversion/index.php/t4624.html > > On test platforms: I only have the one box, but I suspect there are more folks out > there on this list who actually have 64-bit capable boxes if anyone has bought a new > AMD box in the last 6-12 months, or an Intel in the last month or two. > > Charlie. > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kim Gräsman > > Sent: April 27, 2005 9:44 AM > > To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! > > > > Hi Charlie, > > > > Thanks for the added detail... Interesting that 64-bit processes cannot > > load 32-bit DLL:s -- I hadn't even thought about it that way. > > > > It would be nice if we could build DQSD for 64-bit, but there are two > > main problems: > > > > a) Getting a build environment for 64-bit targets > > > > b) Testing and fixing potential bugs occuring only on 64-bit targets > > > > If you (or anyone else) can help with these two, I'd be happy to give it > > a shot. > > > > Does anybody know if we need to run on Win64 to build for Win64, or if > > there's a 32-bit compiler targetting Win64? > > > > - Kim > > > > Charlie Russel wrote: > > > Yes, Kim, I have tried it. :( > > > > > > The problem is that explorer.exe, and thus the desktop and task bar > > > are 64 bit. You can't use a 32-bit extension to a 64-bit app -- > > > 64-bit apps can't call 32-bit dlls, and 32-bit apps can't call 64-bit > > > dlls. So even if the hooks are there, they're 64-bit hooks, and can't > > > talk to the 32-bit DQSD. If DQSD were a standalone app, it would > > > work. As you say, the vast majority of 32-bit applications work just > > > fine. > > > > > > There's a known workaround for context menu extensions (right mouse > > > click stuff like WinZIP) that allows one to run the 32-bit > > > explorer.exe, but it doesn't replace your desktop, only opens a > > > separate window for Windows Explorer that runs in the WOW64 subsystem > > > (the 32-bit subsystem, IOW). > > > > > > If you need references/pointers to appropriate developer level docs, > > > I can probably help, but I am NOT a developer, though I have written > > > C code when I absolutely had to. But it was a long, long time ago. > > > > > > Charlie. > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- From: > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kim Gräsman Sent: April > > >> 27, 2005 8:56 AM To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: > > >> [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! > > >> > > >> Hi Charlie, > > >> > > >> I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on > > >> it? As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just > > >> work. > > >> > > >> Did you try it out? > > >> > > >> Cheers, - Kim > > >> > > >> Charlie Russel wrote: > > >> > > >>> OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows > > >>> went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the > > >>> OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of > > >>> DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop ov
RE: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
I can certainly provide a build environment on my x64 box. I have an AMD Athlon64 3500+ on an ASUS MB with 2GB of RAM. It can boot into 32-bit Windows XP, x64 Windows XP, or Server 2k3 R2 for x64 (beta). Write me directly at: Charlie At Scribes Dot Com and I can set up a remote desktop connection for you to that box. On compilers -- according to this: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winhec/partners/64bitAMD.mspx you should be able to do it on 32-bit, if I read it right. (gg compiler amd64 32-bit) Also: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/dwamd_30887.pdf#search='amd64%20compile%20applications' And: http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversion/index.php/t4624.html On test platforms: I only have the one box, but I suspect there are more folks out there on this list who actually have 64-bit capable boxes if anyone has bought a new AMD box in the last 6-12 months, or an Intel in the last month or two. Charlie. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Gräsman > Sent: April 27, 2005 9:44 AM > To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! > > Hi Charlie, > > Thanks for the added detail... Interesting that 64-bit processes cannot > load 32-bit DLL:s -- I hadn't even thought about it that way. > > It would be nice if we could build DQSD for 64-bit, but there are two > main problems: > > a) Getting a build environment for 64-bit targets > > b) Testing and fixing potential bugs occuring only on 64-bit targets > > If you (or anyone else) can help with these two, I'd be happy to give it > a shot. > > Does anybody know if we need to run on Win64 to build for Win64, or if > there's a 32-bit compiler targetting Win64? > > - Kim > > Charlie Russel wrote: > > Yes, Kim, I have tried it. :( > > > > The problem is that explorer.exe, and thus the desktop and task bar > > are 64 bit. You can't use a 32-bit extension to a 64-bit app -- > > 64-bit apps can't call 32-bit dlls, and 32-bit apps can't call 64-bit > > dlls. So even if the hooks are there, they're 64-bit hooks, and can't > > talk to the 32-bit DQSD. If DQSD were a standalone app, it would > > work. As you say, the vast majority of 32-bit applications work just > > fine. > > > > There's a known workaround for context menu extensions (right mouse > > click stuff like WinZIP) that allows one to run the 32-bit > > explorer.exe, but it doesn't replace your desktop, only opens a > > separate window for Windows Explorer that runs in the WOW64 subsystem > > (the 32-bit subsystem, IOW). > > > > If you need references/pointers to appropriate developer level docs, > > I can probably help, but I am NOT a developer, though I have written > > C code when I absolutely had to. But it was a long, long time ago. > > > > Charlie. > > > > > >> -Original Message- From: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Gräsman Sent: April > >> 27, 2005 8:56 AM To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: > >> [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! > >> > >> Hi Charlie, > >> > >> I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on > >> it? As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just > >> work. > >> > >> Did you try it out? > >> > >> Cheers, - Kim > >> > >> Charlie Russel wrote: > >> > >>> OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows > >>> went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the > >>> OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of > >>> DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP > >>> Professional x64 Edition, but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. > >>> > >>> I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine > >>> available remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your > >>> compiler of choice on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that > >>> box.) If this offer makes sense, contact me off-list. > >> > >> > >> --- SF.Net > >> email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! > >> Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net > >> Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to >
Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
Hi Charlie, Thanks for the added detail... Interesting that 64-bit processes cannot load 32-bit DLL:s -- I hadn't even thought about it that way. It would be nice if we could build DQSD for 64-bit, but there are two main problems: a) Getting a build environment for 64-bit targets b) Testing and fixing potential bugs occuring only on 64-bit targets If you (or anyone else) can help with these two, I'd be happy to give it a shot. Does anybody know if we need to run on Win64 to build for Win64, or if there's a 32-bit compiler targetting Win64? - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: Yes, Kim, I have tried it. :( The problem is that explorer.exe, and thus the desktop and task bar are 64 bit. You can't use a 32-bit extension to a 64-bit app -- 64-bit apps can't call 32-bit dlls, and 32-bit apps can't call 64-bit dlls. So even if the hooks are there, they're 64-bit hooks, and can't talk to the 32-bit DQSD. If DQSD were a standalone app, it would work. As you say, the vast majority of 32-bit applications work just fine. There's a known workaround for context menu extensions (right mouse click stuff like WinZIP) that allows one to run the 32-bit explorer.exe, but it doesn't replace your desktop, only opens a separate window for Windows Explorer that runs in the WOW64 subsystem (the 32-bit subsystem, IOW). If you need references/pointers to appropriate developer level docs, I can probably help, but I am NOT a developer, though I have written C code when I absolutely had to. But it was a long, long time ago. Charlie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Gräsman Sent: April 27, 2005 8:56 AM To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! Hi Charlie, I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on it? As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just work. Did you try it out? Cheers, - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP Professional x64 Edition, but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine available remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your compiler of choice on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that box.) If this offer makes sense, contact me off-list. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id†01 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
Yes, Kim, I have tried it. :( The problem is that explorer.exe, and thus the desktop and task bar are 64 bit. You can't use a 32-bit extension to a 64-bit app -- 64-bit apps can't call 32-bit dlls, and 32-bit apps can't call 64-bit dlls. So even if the hooks are there, they're 64-bit hooks, and can't talk to the 32-bit DQSD. If DQSD were a standalone app, it would work. As you say, the vast majority of 32-bit applications work just fine. There's a known workaround for context menu extensions (right mouse click stuff like WinZIP) that allows one to run the 32-bit explorer.exe, but it doesn't replace your desktop, only opens a separate window for Windows Explorer that runs in the WOW64 subsystem (the 32-bit subsystem, IOW). If you need references/pointers to appropriate developer level docs, I can probably help, but I am NOT a developer, though I have written C code when I absolutely had to. But it was a long, long time ago. Charlie. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Gräsman > Sent: April 27, 2005 8:56 AM > To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! > > Hi Charlie, > > I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on it? > As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just work. > > Did you try it out? > > Cheers, > - Kim > > Charlie Russel wrote: > > OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows went > > RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the OEM/System > > Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of DQSD? Please? I'd > > _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP Professional x64 Edition, > > but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. > > > > I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine available > > remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your compiler of choice > > on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that box.) If this offer makes > > sense, contact me off-list. > > > --- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! > Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net > Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey > Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix > ___ > To unsubscribe visit: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users > DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id01
Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
Hi Charlie, I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on it? As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just work. Did you try it out? Cheers, - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP Professional x64 Edition, but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine available remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your compiler of choice on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that box.) If this offer makes sense, contact me off-list. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
[DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP Professional x64 Edition, but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine available remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your compiler of choice on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that box.) If this offer makes sense, contact me off-list. Charlie. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id01
