Re: [drakelist] Test

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Terry, Also no posts here either, however your one came through. The other 
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Max M0GHQ




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Fw: [drakelist] Test (2)

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Thanks Richard.   I have seen no new posts for a day or two!  Is it really
that quiet?  Your direct email to me was fine, but I may have a server or
filter problem with the reflector, I guess.

Is anyone else in the UK receiving Drake posts OK? (Please respond to me
off-reflector!)

Best,

Terry G3VFO

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59 copy in Little Rock, Arkansas

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Re: [drakelist] Test

[Terry Hart]

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Thanks Max, that's what I saw too.

How does the reflector look stateside? (Someone?) (Anyone?)

Thanks again,

Terry  G3VFO

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RE: [drakelist] Test

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[drakelist] Re: Drake Reflector in US

[Terry Hart]

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Thanks Larry.  That appears to be the case, as I now have reports that 
others in the UK are not receiving posts, either.


The reflector appears to be working OK across the pond.

Thanks to all who responded.

73

Terry,  G3VFO


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Terry,

I get frequent posts on the reflector. Perhaps there's a UK server issue?

GL and 73

Larry K3VX
TR7 owner




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RE: [drakelist] Test

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Re: [drakelist] Test

[Terry Hart]

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Yessame hereand that is what I find REALLY odd!  I seem to receive 
from the reflector my own and other UK-originated posts, but none (yet) from 
elsewhere! Sounds as tho it is the same for you.


Terry, G3VFO

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Re: [drakelist] Test

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Very quiet here too the last couple of days, Terry.  Good weather taking all 
the Drakesters outside, I guess, hi.

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Re: [drakelist] Test

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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:23:18PM +0100, Terry Hart wrote:

> Yessame hereand that is what I find REALLY odd!  I seem to receive 
> from the reflector my own and other UK-originated posts, but none (yet) 
> from elsewhere! Sounds as tho it is the same for you.

Try this, sent from outside of Philly. Yes, I'm not there, but my
mail server is.

73,

Geoff.

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RE: [drakelist] Test

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Received yours fine Geoff.  John GI3KDR

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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:23:18PM +0100, Terry Hart wrote:

> Yessame hereand that is what I find REALLY odd!  I seem to receive
> from the reflector my own and other UK-originated posts, but none (yet)
> from elsewhere! Sounds as tho it is the same for you.

Try this, sent from outside of Philly. Yes, I'm not there, but my
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73,

Geoff.

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[drakelist] Hamvention and Drake Forum

[k9sqg]

We?cordially invite all Drake enthusiasts to the Dayton Hamvention and the 
Drake Forum.? The Forum has changed the day, time, and location, from previous 
years.? This year the Forum will be on Friday, May 16, 230-345, Room 2.

For the first 150 to arrive, they will be given a free ticket for our raffle.? 
Several prizes have already been donated and your odds of winning are, well, 
much much better than the lottery.? Plus the price is right!

Safe travel...

73,

The Forum Committee:? WB0IQK, WA8SAJ, W8PU

Re: [drakelist] Hamvention and Drake Forum

[k9sqg]

As a side note, unless you've participated in a Hamvention as a volunteer, it 
is hard to comprehend the amount of effort that goes into preparing for?and 
conducting such an event.? So when you see a Hamvention volunteer, I encourage 
you to just say "thanks".? Too, if we combine our efforts, we can make the 
event more fun each and every year.

Hope to see you there


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We?cordially invite all Drake enthusiasts to the Dayton Hamvention and the 
Drake Forum.? The Forum has changed the day, time, and location, from previous 
years.? This year the Forum will be on Friday, May 16, 230-345, Room 2.

For the first 150 to arrive, they will be given a free ticket for our raffle.? 
Several prizes have already been donated and your odds of winning are, well, 
much much better than the lottery.? Plus the price is right!

Safe travel...

73,

The Forum Committee:? WB0IQK, WA8SAJ, W8PU



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Re: [drakelist] Hamvention and Drake Forum

[Duane Calvin]

What time will the forum be?

73, Duane   AC5AA

At 07:33 AM 4/29/2008, you wrote:
We cordially invite all Drake enthusiasts to the Dayton Hamvention 
and the Drake Forum.  The Forum has changed the day, time, and 
location, from previous years.  This year the Forum will be on 
Friday, May 16, 230-345, Room 2.


For the first 150 to arrive, they will be given a free ticket for 
our raffle.  Several prizes have already been donated and your odds 
of winning are, well, much much better than the lottery.  Plus the 
price is right!


Safe travel...

73,

The Forum Committee:  WB0IQK, WA8SAJ, W8PU



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Re: [drakelist] Hamvention and Drake Forum

[k9sqg]

Duane,



The Drake Forum will be Friday, May 16, starting at 230 and ending at 345.



73,



Evan


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What time will the forum be?

73, Duane?? AC5AA

At 07:33 AM 4/29/2008, you wrote:

We cordially invite all Drake enthusiasts to the Dayton Hamvention and the 
Drake Forum.? The Forum has changed the day, time, and location, from previous 
years.? This year the Forum will be on Friday, May 16, 230-345, Room 2.

For the first 150 to arrive, they will be given a free ticket for our raffle.? 
Several prizes have already been donated and your odds of winning are, well, 
much much better than the lottery.? Plus the price is right!

Safe travel...

73,

The Forum Committee:? WB0IQK, WA8SAJ, W8PU


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Re: [drakelist] Test

[Terry Hart]

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Received OK, Geoff.  Hopefully things are working again, but there seems to 
have been a period where US posts were being seen over at your end but not 
over here!


Best,  Terry, G3VFO

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Yessame hereand that is what I find REALLY odd!  I seem to 
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from the reflector my own and other UK-originated posts, but none (yet)
from elsewhere! Sounds as tho it is the same for you.


Try this, sent from outside of Philly. Yes, I'm not there, but my
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73,

Geoff.

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Re: [drakelist] Test

[Terry Hart]

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Enjoy while it lasts!

73,
Terry G3VFO

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73,
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Re: [drakelist] Test

[k9sqg]

Please be aware that AOL deletes incoming and outgoing email periodically 
without any error messages to either the sender or receiver.? This contributes 
to missing posts from reflectors, general email, etc.? In addition, some email 
gets delayed for days or weeks and then magically appears.? Not sure how many 
ISPs have this problem.


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?
73,?
Terry G3VFO?
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[drakelist] TR-4 TX Hang-Up

[Byron Tatum]

Hello-
I have an unusual problem perhaps someone could shed some light on:
I have a TR-4 in 29K serial range that functions normally except it 
will not go back into receive, until after approx 30 second delay, after the 
mic button is released or the function switch turned back to "SSB". This 
condition worsens (longer delay) the more you frequently you transmit. The 
sidetone disappears but T-R relay will not release.
I have tried different known-good 6EV7 tubes, have replaced a lot of the 
coupling / bypass caps in T-R circuits, did resistance / voltage checks, 
adjusted the VOX / VOX delay controls, tried other tubes in T-R circuit, etc. 
to no avail.
What is real curious about this is that while waiting for it to go back 
into receive and T-R relay is engaged, IF YOU PULL THE 6EV7 FROM ITS SOCKET THE 
T-R RELAY STILL DOES NOT RELEASE. I suspect the issue is with the lead that 
goes from T-R relay coil to pin #1 on 6EV7 (somehow allowing enough leakage  to 
ground?) or could it be the T-R relay coil itself?? I made sure socket / pins 
and all are clean on 6EV7.
Any help appreciated, thanks.
Perplexed,
Byron WA5THJ. 

Re: [drakelist] TR-4 TX Hang-Up

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Hey Garey-
   Thank you for the comments and help. I start nights at work and will 
have several to complete, then I will get back into the TR-4. I will measure 
voltage as you suggest, looking for a slight voltage drop. Then I will check 
out relay itself.
   I am beginning to think that it is the magnetizing of pole piece and 
relay wear that is the problem. If it was a leakage to ground on the 6EV7 
pin #1 lead you might think the set would go into TX on its own (relay 
energize) every now and then, of which I have never saw it do.
   One other thing- I bought a nice TR-4 from a fellow, based on several 
pictures, but the photo angles, due to glare, covered up (of all things) a 
ham's DL # engraved on the front panel in tiny lettering , immediately to 
the right of "TR-4" on front panel. Do you know of a touch up paint that 
matches the darker grey of that front panel area?
   I got the set for a decent price, it was nice and had the built in NB, 
but had a problem (as advertised). I found T-9 to be burned out in center 
area of coil form. I had a spare T-9 from a parts unit TR-3. Thank goodness 
I opened up the TR-3 T-9 transformer before I installed it -- it had a 56 pF 
cap in it that was not in the TR-4 T-9. Otherwise the coils looked the same. 
Anyway, I clipped out the capacitor and all went OK after the repair. That 
is not a fun repair for sure!!

   CUL, Byron.
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Byron -

Well things were going well until you pulled the tube out of the socket! 
:-)


There are a limited number of possibilities in that case.  The relay
coil leads go through the feedthrough bypass caps  _under_  the power
connector.  Of course the relay lead to the 6EV7 is the one UNDER the
Jones connector, the last one in the "arc" of feedthroughs there.
(C92)  There are no more components between this feedthrough and the
6EV7 tube socket.  The other relay coil lead goes directly the +250V bus
via the next feedthrough cap along the arc, (C91).  So the voltage
measured at the tube socket pin with the tube out should be exactly the
same as the +250V bus.  Any drop would indicate leakage.  See attached
photo from my CD (at reduced resolution).

So.  Leaky C92, leaky tube socket, pinched wire.  One possibility I
have seen a few times is the "down" stop on the relay gets hammered down
over the years, allowing the armature to actually touch the pole piece
of the coil.  The pole piece is slightly magnetized, and if the armature
physically is in contact with it, it will "stick".  An easy check is to
slip a piece of paper in to prevent metal to metal contact between the
two.  The "down" stop can be bent back up to prevent this contact.

Let us know what you find!!

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

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Byron Tatum wrote:

Hello-
I have an unusual problem perhaps someone could shed some light on:
I have a TR-4 in 29K serial range that functions normally
except it will not go back into receive, until after approx 30 second
delay, after the mic button is released or the function switch turned
back to "SSB". This condition worsens (longer delay) the more you
frequently you transmit. The sidetone disappears but T-R relay will
not release.
I have tried different known-good 6EV7 tubes, have replaced a lot
of the coupling / bypass caps in T-R circuits, did resistance /
voltage checks, adjusted the VOX / VOX delay controls, tried other
tubes in T-R circuit, etc. to no avail.
What is real curious about this is that while waiting for it to go
back into receive and T-R relay is engaged, IF YOU PULL THE 6EV7 FROM
ITS SOCKET THE T-R RELAY STILL DOES NOT RELEASE. I suspect the issue
is with the lead that goes from T-R relay coil to pin #1 on 6EV7
(somehow allowing enough leakage  to ground?) or could it be the T-R
relay coil itself?? I made sure socket / pins and all are clean on 6EV7.
Any help appreciated, thanks.
Perplexed,
Byron WA5THJ.






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Re: [drakelist] TR-4 TX Hang-Up

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Byron -

OK.  Relays take more coil current to "pull in" than they do to "hold 
in".   It takes a certain amount of current through the coil (pull) to 
drag the armature from it's non-energized position to the energized 
position.  It takes much less current to (hold) it once there, so slight 
leakage might NOT be sufficient to pull, but more than enough to hold.


I don't know of any good way to touch up the panels.  The original 
"paint" is so thin, (I actually think it is more a dye (anodize?) than 
paint, but don't know for sure,) and as a result any sort of paint ends 
up looking worse than the mark!  For a small mark or two, it might be 
possible to just "fill" the mark to the level of the panel, but a string 
of numbers would be a real challenge.   Never could understand people 
that do that sort of thing, especially on the front panel!!


I just saw your order.  There are scans of both the 34-NB and the 34-PNB 
manuals, with quite a bit of information, plus I have added a photograph 
of the board itself with active components and alignment info 
annotated.  There is also a Voltage table for the NB, which has not been 
previously published.  It's really a straightforward design, and most 
units in the field benefit from an alignment.


A lot of the components are common between the TR-3 and TR-4, but every 
once in a while they threw in a curve like that cap to keep us off 
balance!  :-)


Your CDs will go out tomorrow.  Thank you!

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

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Byron Tatum wrote:


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Hey Garey-
   Thank you for the comments and help. I start nights at work and 
will have several to complete, then I will get back into the TR-4. I 
will measure voltage as you suggest, looking for a slight voltage 
drop. Then I will check out relay itself.
   I am beginning to think that it is the magnetizing of pole piece 
and relay wear that is the problem. If it was a leakage to ground on 
the 6EV7 pin #1 lead you might think the set would go into TX on its 
own (relay energize) every now and then, of which I have never saw it do.
   One other thing- I bought a nice TR-4 from a fellow, based on 
several pictures, but the photo angles, due to glare, covered up (of 
all things) a ham's DL # engraved on the front panel in tiny lettering 
, immediately to the right of "TR-4" on front panel. Do you know of a 
touch up paint that matches the darker grey of that front panel area?
   I got the set for a decent price, it was nice and had the built in 
NB, but had a problem (as advertised). I found T-9 to be burned out in 
center area of coil form. I had a spare T-9 from a parts unit TR-3. 
Thank goodness I opened up the TR-3 T-9 transformer before I installed 
it -- it had a 56 pF cap in it that was not in the TR-4 T-9. Otherwise 
the coils looked the same. Anyway, I clipped out the capacitor and all 
went OK after the repair. That is not a fun repair for sure!!

   CUL, Byron.
- Original Message - From: "Garey Barrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [drakelist] TR-4 TX Hang-Up



Byron -

Well things were going well until you pulled the tube out of the 
socket! :-)


There are a limited number of possibilities in that case.  The relay
coil leads go through the feedthrough bypass caps  _under_  the power
connector.  Of course the relay lead to the 6EV7 is the one UNDER the
Jones connector, the last one in the "arc" of feedthroughs there.
(C92)  There are no more components between this feedthrough and the
6EV7 tube socket.  The other relay coil lead goes directly the +250V bus
via the next feedthrough cap along the arc, (C91).  So the voltage
measured at the tube socket pin with the tube out should be exactly the
same as the +250V bus.  Any drop would indicate leakage.  See attached
photo from my CD (at reduced resolution).

So.  Leaky C92, leaky tube socket, pinched wire.  One possibility I
have seen a few times is the "down" stop on the relay gets hammered down
over the years, allowing the armature to actually touch the pole piece
of the coil.  The pole piece is slightly magnetized, and if the armature
physically is in contact with it, it will "stick".  An easy check is to
slip a piece of paper in to prevent metal to metal contact between the
two.  The "down" stop can be bent back up to prevent this contact.

Let us know what you find!!

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

Drake 2-B, 4-B, C-Line & TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs




Byron Tatum wrote:

Hello-
I have an unusual problem perhaps someone could shed some light on:
I have a TR-4 in 29K serial range that functions normally
except it 

Re: [drakelist] TR-4 TX Hang-Up

[Gypsymt34]

 
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Byron WA5THJ. 


My TR4 with the original  (fixed) relay would not pull in  originally.  After 
"cleaning" the relay points it wouldn't release as you  describe.  After 
putting the VOX & VOX delay pots mid range and on the  third "cleaning" it did 
work ...sometimes. If The VOX pot has  a wrong setting was the big culprit.   
All 
of the above info  on line and Drake relative.
Wound up installing a John Kriner (OEM) relay board and of course a new  plug 
in relay.   All fixed.
Carl Hibbard  WD8NHK



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[wb4hfn]

I saw once where the relay iron core was expanding do to the heat the coil 
generated around it, which to this point is normal.   But in this case as the 
core expanded it shorted against a bare coil winding.   The core itself being 
at ground potential, when shorted against the coil winding provided the ground 
path to key the relay.Once the relay was unkeyed by removing power, it 
cooled, and worked again as normal until it heated up again. So don't put 
aside the possibility of a heat related problem in the relay itself.

Ron / WB4HFN 

-- Original message -- 
From: Garey Barrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 
> Garey Barrell made an utterance to the drakelist gang 
> -- 
> Byron - 
> 
> OK. Relays take more coil current to "pull in" than they do to "hold 
> in". It takes a certain amount of current through the coil (pull) to 
> drag the armature from it's non-energized position to the energized 
> position. It takes much less current to (hold) it once there, so slight 
> leakage might NOT be sufficient to pull, but more than enough to hold. 
> 
> I don't know of any good way to touch up the panels. The original 
> "paint" is so thin, (I actually think it is more a dye (anodize?) than 
> paint, but don't know for sure,) and as a result any sort of paint ends 
> up looking worse than the mark! For a small mark or two, it might be 
> possible to just "fill" the mark to the level of the panel, but a string 
> of numbers would be a real challenge. Never could understand people 
> that do that sort of thing, especially on the front panel!! 
> 
> I just saw your order. There are scans of both the 34-NB and the 34-PNB 
> manuals, with quite a bit of information, plus I have added a photograph 
> of the board itself with active components and alignment info 
> annotated. There is also a Voltage table for the NB, which has not been 
> previously published. It's really a straightforward design, and most 
> units in the field benefit from an alignment. 
> 
> A lot of the components are common between the TR-3 and TR-4, but every 
> once in a while they threw in a curve like that cap to keep us off 
> balance! :-) 
> 
> Your CDs will go out tomorrow. Thank you! 
> 
> 73, Garey - K4OAH 
> Glen Allen, VA 
> 
> Drake 2-B, 4-B, C-Line & TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Byron Tatum wrote: 
> > 
> > "Byron Tatum" made an utterance to the drakelist gang 
> > -- 
> > Hey Garey- 
> > Thank you for the comments and help. I start nights at work and 
> > will have several to complete, then I will get back into the TR-4. I 
> > will measure voltage as you suggest, looking for a slight voltage 
> > drop. Then I will check out relay itself. 
> > I am beginning to think that it is the magnetizing of pole piece 
> > and relay wear that is the problem. If it was a leakage to ground on 
> > the 6EV7 pin #1 lead you might think the set would go into TX on its 
> > own (relay energize) every now and then, of which I have never saw it do. 
> > One other thing- I bought a nice TR-4 from a fellow, based on 
> > several pictures, but the photo angles, due to glare, covered up (of 
> > all things) a ham's DL # engraved on the front panel in tiny lettering 
> > , immediately to the right of "TR-4" on front panel. Do you know of a 
> > touch up paint that matches the darker grey of that front panel area? 
> > I got the set for a decent price, it was nice and had the built in 
> > NB, but had a problem (as advertised). I found T-9 to be burned out in 
> > center area of coil form. I had a spare T-9 from a parts unit TR-3. 
> > Thank goodness I opened up the TR-3 T-9 transformer before I installed 
> > it -- it had a 56 pF cap in it that was not in the TR-4 T-9. Otherwise 
> > the coils looked the same. Anyway, I clipped out the capacitor and all 
> > went OK after the repair. That is not a fun repair for sure!! 
> > CUL, Byron. 
> > - Original Message - From: "Garey Barrell" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:46 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [drakelist] TR-4 TX Hang-Up 
> > 
> > 
> >> Byron - 
> >> 
> >> Well things were going well until you pulled the tube out of the 
> >> socket! :-) 
> >> 
> >> There are a limited number of possibilities in that case. The relay 
> >> coil leads go through the feedthrough bypass caps _under_ the power 
> >> connector. Of course the relay lead to the 6EV7 is the one UNDER the 
> >> Jones connector, the last one in the "arc" of feedthroughs there. 
> >> (C92) There are no more components between this feedthrough and the 
> >> 6EV7 tube socket. The other relay coil lead goes directly the +250V bus 
> >> via the next feedthrough cap along the arc, (C91). So the voltage 
> >> measured at the tube socket pin with the tube out should be exactly the 
> >> same as the +250V bus. Any drop would indicate leakage. See attached 
> >> photo 

Re: [drakelist] TR-4 TX Hang-Up

[Kc9cdt]

Here's a ood one I leaned in my time working on IBM EDP equipment...
I have seen more than once a relay not pick because as the relay was 
energized there was a very small iron filng on the core that would 'STAND UP' 
and 
block the relay from picking...

That was fun to find!

Lee, KC9CDT


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Ron -

That's a NEW one!  :-)   How long did the relay have to be energized to 
generate enough heat?


Garey



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I saw once where the relay iron core was expanding do to the heat the 
coil generated around it, which to this point is normal.   But in this 
case as the core expanded it shorted against a bare coil winding.   
The core itself being at ground potential, when shorted against the 
coil winding provided the ground path to key the relay.Once the 
relay was unkeyed by removing power, it cooled, and worked again as 
normal until it heated up again. So don't put aside the 
possibility of a heat related problem in the relay itself.
 
Ron / WB4HFN 
 



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Garey,about 30 to 45 seconds is all the time it took.
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Ron -

That's a NEW one!  :-)   How long did the relay have to be
energized to 
generate enough heat?

Garey



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> I saw once where the relay iron core was expanding do to
the heat the 
> coil generated around it, which to this point is normal.
But in this 
> case as the core expanded it shorted against a bare coil
winding.   
> The core itself being at ground potential, when shorted
against the 
> coil winding provided the ground path to key the relay.
Once the 
> relay was unkeyed by removing power, it cooled, and worked
again as 
> normal until it heated up again. So don't put aside
the 
> possibility of a heat related problem in the relay itself.
>  
> Ron / WB4HFN
>  
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